Because in the same post he also used Rhand as a reference to vote Tubba. Scum are often strangely paranoid about that. Also drive by or not Lng thought it was a good idea to take Rhand's side vs me and that's be super "weird" to me for scum to do. Why even weigh in at all there? I get what you are saying admittedly but scum don't think like that tbh.
Also I read Lng's entire iso. There is no substance period.
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Hi Grapefruit that's not how I play mafia. I dont use confirmation bias I tend to forget my reads at the start of each new day essentially and start fresh. Just because I read someone town day one doesnt mean I stick with it. See Shadow.
Why did you vote him in DitF?
Let go of the old hatreds.
Without looking I have no clue. I vaguely remember pushing him, realizing I was wrong and trying to save him too late but that could easily be a figment of my imagination.
As for you resetting each day that's fair enough. But you should probably use less strong wording if you intend to drop reads you locked in as clear. Makes the game harder to read.
Anyway what exactly is your town read of him here? The stray mention? What do you make of the much more incriminating chainsaw directed towards will?
@Silver: I would never ever do this to a buddy that i towncleared Day one. I like to win games as either alignment and this would be setting up a buddy for failure.
Funny enough, I actually think Chris is telling the truth on Rhand. His shift into pushing me harder makes some sense; I’m not really a strong presence in this game, just don’t have my head in it, but I’m not being lynched today, so let’s talk about reversing this back onto Chris.
@Rhand: mindmelds go both ways, the way you came in after me with your thoughts on Chris felt very genuine and not like you tried to manufacture a mindmeld, especially since it was done as a reverse to voting me; which if I was scum, would have unsettled me more since you do have a knack for pegging me as scum.
@Chris: I think LnGr could definitely say "I like Rhand in Rhand vs LnGr and also Rhand's catch on tubba is good" if Rhand is his partner. Feels like, at that point in the game, he was looking for things that are "objectively wolfy" to push and he would definitely agree with a partner on one of those things if he thought it was something "objectively wolfy". Not sure why you're reading it as a defense of Rhand because it has literally no substance, it's just a drive by comment on something important happening in the game.
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Silvercrys3467
Lastwhisper
Grape
Tubba
Vaimes
Chris
Rodemy
Cantrip
shadow
Rhand
I think Wisp is the only one that really rises to the level of "clear" but I'm not really considering lunches on anyone above Rodemy.
@Chris: I think LnGr could definitely say "I like Rhand in Rhand vs LnGr and also Rhand's catch on tubba is good" if Rhand is his partner. Feels like, at that point in the game, he was looking for things that are "objectively wolfy" to push and he would definitely agree with a partner on one of those things if he thought it was something "objectively wolfy". Not sure why you're reading it as a defense of Rhand because it has literally no substance, it's just a drive by comment on something important happening in the game.
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Silvercrys3467
Lastwhisper
Grape
Tubba
Vaimes
Chris
Rodemy
Cantrip
shadow
Rhand
I think Wisp is the only one that really rises to the level of "clear" but I'm not really considering lunches on anyone above Rodemy.
Apart from where you put me, we are in pretty much full agreement.
I have stronger town reads on Tubba and Chris and no real read on Vaimes.
@Everyone: if I get lynched, please follow this guy’s lead.
You have the Osi defense from me. You aren't dying.
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You have the Osi defense from me. You aren't dying.
Saying it doesn’t make it true.
Tom Brady doesn’t walk up to the line and say “Blown coverage on the right side, touchdown, we win.”
I do not believe I have ever hard defended someone and they died. I am strong, like bull.
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you can tell who is on mobile by the fact that lynch gets autocorrected to lunch
just a tidbit, carry on
Not particularly game relevant but I've grown a bit uncomfortable with the term "lynching" to refer to a game mechanic, even though it's abstracted by several layers. Saying "lunch" instead abstracts it further and makes it silly, especially when I accidentally omit articles like "the", which happens rather more often than I'd like lol (shadow "can pick lunch" should have been shadow "can pick the lunch, of course). Grape and I have talked about this before and he just tries to avoid naming the mechanic where he can and uses "condemn" instead when he can't avoid it, if I recall correctly, and I did the same for a while but just used "lynch" when I had to until I talked to Zack on MU about it because he uses "lunch" intentionally as well.
But yeah it started as an autocorrect lol.
@shadow: do you have a particular read on Rhand or is he just town because mindmeld?
@Silver: there have been a lot of small moments I’ve seen that continually pushed me to believe rhand is town, starting Yes with the mindmeld. Also, Chris saying it bears well on his alignment regardless of Chris’, even if Chris is not actually doing things but just talking about them.
I know I said I'd post content toDay, but real life has been rough. I just got killed in my other game, though, so all my attention (other than the game I'm modding) will be focused here. Maybe tonight, definitely tomorrow. Sorry.
Also, I, too, am purposefully taking players to lunch, openly following Silver's/Grape's lead on using alternate terminology.
@Silver: there have been a lot of small moments I’ve seen that continually pushed me to believe rhand is town, starting Yes with the mindmeld. Also, Chris saying it bears well on his alignment regardless of Chris’, even if Chris is not actually doing things but just talking about them.
What in the **** are you talking about? It is a text based game. Talking about things is how you do things. This statement has no meaning.
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@Silver: there have been a lot of small moments I’ve seen that continually pushed me to believe rhand is town, starting Yes with the mindmeld. Also, Chris saying it bears well on his alignment regardless of Chris’, even if Chris is not actually doing things but just talking about them.
Could you quote or at least talk about this series of small moments? I think you've commented about them as they happened, maybe, but if you could kind of consolidate the read in one place that'd be helpful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I do not believe I have ever hard defended someone and they died. I am strong, like bull.
Literally Osie...
Tom and I got him killed over your objections.
@Rhand you have me rethinking at least. I'll do another ISO later.
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Dude. Osie was modkilled for not being able to play. We lynched scum that day. Try again?
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I know that seems like a lot but at the pace we're currently playing most people are only going to check the thread and post a couple more times before day end so we need to start consolidating.
Still willing to lunch Rhand/shadow/Cantrip right now, would maaaaaybe consider Rodemy. Maybe.
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If you don't want one of shadow or Rhand you need to make a case.
Might want to summon some WiM if you don't want your head on a pike, Shadow.
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Might want to summon some WiM if you don't want your head on a pike, Shadow.
*bites apple*
Frankly I don’t think I have any WiM, and for that I am sorry to everyone. I am pretty appalled that you continue to posture and then be pedantic (because we both know the difference between talking about doing things and actually doing them, yes, it’s a text based game but your playing dumb is insulting) and no one is really considering that you might be scum.
I don't know, Wisp was considering me scum and then you flatlined.
I mean "not doing anything" such as
- Reading through Lng's posts and also a previous game to establish that you are a good vote
- Hard defending Rhand to the point that I make Grape's memory explode
Those are just my strongest things but I've been giving reads and generally I am doing my best to ensure the day is going as I like it. What more could I do other than lead a lynch on my top scum suspect and ensure my top town reads are not pressured unduly? Seriously I am not playing dumb, maybe I am just dumb for once. What mythical trait am I supposed to express here?
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Like look, I'm never 100% on anyone as scum. If you're town, talk to me. You need something here or you're just going to die. Like if you are town this effort is not acceptable and you will die. If you are town, I want to avoid this no matter the cost. You think I am scum? Make a better case that IO at least can see is pure in intent but right now out of everyone in the game you are reminding me of Lng.
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Like, how this reads in the moment: you told me to come after you. I did. You just fell over when I punched you. Just... lost the will to fight. Now if that's a town thing then talk me through it but you wanted to lynch Sir ******* Chris man, and I'll tell you what no matter what my role PM says lynching me is always a bloody fight that the only way to avoid is just not to let me post. Other than that, expect a war. You know what? I've been pretty relaxed too. I've been occupied. This is probably like 20% of my WiM ability, for sure within my scum range day 2, but you just don't really care to put in any effort to come at me. There's at least a small case I am sure, but you just are making vague arguments that make no sense.
Walk me through my scumminess. Help me understand so that if you are town I can better understand the game. I'll tell you the same I tell everyone. If you are town, we are not enemies.
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Why would I put in effort to convince you that I’m town when I don’t think you are?
You keep saying you defended rhand and read Lng, but like, wrt rhand, even though I agree that he’s probably town, you have literally not defended him like you did Osie. You said “I defend him with the same gusto I gave Osie” which is an actual joke. You’re not digging through rhand’s iso, quoting things and giving perspective on why it’s town and what the context is. You’re not going through other people’s attacks on him and highlighting things that are incorrect. You did all of that for Osie and all that i see here is you saying “pretend I’m doing all that”.
At the same time, no one else seems to see this and I feel just gas lit. Most people seem to have you in the mid townie section just above null and I don’t really see anyone giving actual reasons.
Going back to day 1, I still think your “oh I was only posturing on shinichi” looks super convenient and you never actually showed me the Chris I saw in death in the Family after that small glimmer. And that’s basically this whole game. Glimmers of Chris with posturing and pedantry filling in the gaps.
It would be funny if you don't know the difference between my A town game and my regular town game and you are actually town who doesn't understand that hyped Chris is a horrific beast of death for scum compared to chill Chris.
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But also I haven't felt the need to go so hard on rhand because no one voting rhand is like tom and rhand isn't at -1. But I am clearly putting everyone on notice that it is a no from me.
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@Shadow
I frankly suspect all of you bastards. So, if you don’t want to make your case on Chris to Chris, make it to me.
In particular explain what you mean about the convenience of his Shin stance and then tell me what you think about his exchange with Silver mid D1.
MTGS version is "munch", apparently. Don't think we have an actual popcorn one?
Have an outstanding question to shadow, mostly just waiting for "people" to "do things" at the moment and hoping shadow engages with ~someone regardless of his alignment.
D1 he took the stance that Shin was the same as he had been in the previous game, and just wasn’t going to read him cause he always found him scummy; problem being that Shin was playing pretty wildly differently from Game of Thrones Mafia, and when called out, Chris said “aha, I was only laying a trap”. He followed up with some decent posts, but fell off again after that.
Today, he keeps alluding to putting effort into things, IE: “consider me defending rhand like I did Osie in DitF”, and in general his stances are just more weightless than what I know he can do as town.
@Chris: if this is you as chill town, then wake up and be actual engaged Chris that ran DitF and scared the crap out of that scum team. Real talk here, if you’re town, why do you think so many people are just phoning in a light town read on you? You’ve made it well known that you’re not an easy lynch, I can’t imagine a bunch of people lining up to try. In that regard, it would make a certain amount of sense for you to be town, but it seems more likely that you’re scum.
MTGS version is "munch", apparently. Don't think we have an actual popcorn one?
Have an outstanding question to shadow, mostly just waiting for "people" to "do things" at the moment and hoping shadow engages with ~someone regardless of his alignment.
-_- I have been engaging...why are you “hoping” I do when that’s exactly what I’m doing? Whatever, what is your question to me?
@Silver: there have been a lot of small moments I’ve seen that continually pushed me to believe rhand is town, starting Yes with the mindmeld. Also, Chris saying it bears well on his alignment regardless of Chris’, even if Chris is not actually doing things but just talking about them.
Could you quote or at least talk about this series of small moments? I think you've commented about them as they happened, maybe, but if you could kind of consolidate the read in one place that'd be helpful.
As far as the you not engaging thing, didn't mean you aren't posting or responding to stuff but you even said you're disengaged, was more like... hoping your responses to people would help you shake that, because it really isn't like you as either alignment.
D1 he took the stance that Shin was the same as he had been in the previous game, and just wasn’t going to read him cause he always found him scummy; problem being that Shin was playing pretty wildly differently from Game of Thrones Mafia, and when called out, Chris said “aha, I was only laying a trap”. He followed up with some decent posts, but fell off again after that.
Today, he keeps alluding to putting effort into things, IE: “consider me defending rhand like I did Osie in DitF”, and in general his stances are just more weightless than what I know he can do as town.
@Chris: if this is you as chill town, then wake up and be actual engaged Chris that ran DitF and scared the crap out of that scum team. Real talk here, if you’re town, why do you think so many people are just phoning in a light town read on you? You’ve made it well known that you’re not an easy lynch, I can’t imagine a bunch of people lining up to try. In that regard, it would make a certain amount of sense for you to be town, but it seems more likely that you’re scum.
God scum never says that.
Never in a million years does scum say "Actually you could be town, but you're still scum" it's such a ... pure line of thought GAH.
[b]##unvote: Shadow[/b]
God I might have to up my WIM for this.
[b]##vote: Rodemy/b]
So. I think both Shadow and Rhand have done enough to be town based off of train of thought. I also think someone for sure voted for Lng and is scum.
I am glancing hard at Silver but he claimed power and is dead tonight so that's fine.
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God Michael Jordan didn't score 50 every game, Shadow. Learn to appreciate the effortless 30 point nights too.
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Don't mind me just admiring the wagons.
Also I read Lng's entire iso. There is no substance period.
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Without looking I have no clue. I vaguely remember pushing him, realizing I was wrong and trying to save him too late but that could easily be a figment of my imagination.
As for you resetting each day that's fair enough. But you should probably use less strong wording if you intend to drop reads you locked in as clear. Makes the game harder to read.
Anyway what exactly is your town read of him here? The stray mention? What do you make of the much more incriminating chainsaw directed towards will?
@Rhand: mindmelds go both ways, the way you came in after me with your thoughts on Chris felt very genuine and not like you tried to manufacture a mindmeld, especially since it was done as a reverse to voting me; which if I was scum, would have unsettled me more since you do have a knack for pegging me as scum.
After that one mindmeld instance, there has been nothing you’ve posted that did anything for me.
I would expect town!Shadow to bounce ideas off me once we established trust and you haven’t done that.
That sort of emotion is hard to fake.
Apart from where you put me, we are in pretty much full agreement.
I have stronger town reads on Tubba and Chris and no real read on Vaimes.
@Everyone: if I get lynched, please follow this guy’s lead.
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@shadow: You get to pick lunch but it can't be Chris. Who do you pick and why?
just a tidbit, carry on
Tom Brady doesn’t walk up to the line and say “Blown coverage on the right side, touchdown, we win.”
I do not believe I have ever hard defended someone and they died. I am strong, like bull.
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But yeah it started as an autocorrect lol.
@shadow: do you have a particular read on Rhand or is he just town because mindmeld?
Also, I, too, am purposefully taking players to lunch, openly following Silver's/Grape's lead on using alternate terminology.
Also, also: @Wisp: Don't.
What in the **** are you talking about? It is a text based game. Talking about things is how you do things. This statement has no meaning.
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dont what?
Literally Osie...
Tom and I got him killed over your objections.
@Rhand you have me rethinking at least. I'll do another ISO later.
Rhand (3) - Grapefruit (#1055), Silvercrys3467 (#1236), Rodemy (#1255)
shadowlancerx (3) - Sir Chris (#1225), Lastwhisper (#1291), Rhand (#1294)
Sir Chris (1) - shadowlancerx (#1146)
Rodemy (1) - Vaimes (#1058)
Not Voting: Cantripmancer, Tubba Fett
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch!
Deadline is Sunday, June 28 at midnight PST.
V/LA: Vaimes through the week, Cantrip through today
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Dude. Osie was modkilled for not being able to play. We lynched scum that day. Try again?
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@Wisp anything relevant or just going to make fun of me some more?
I know that seems like a lot but at the pace we're currently playing most people are only going to check the thread and post a couple more times before day end so we need to start consolidating.
Still willing to lunch Rhand/shadow/Cantrip right now, would maaaaaybe consider Rodemy. Maybe.
vote: shadowlancerx
If you don't want one of shadow or Rhand you need to make a case.
*bites apple*
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I mean "not doing anything" such as
- Reading through Lng's posts and also a previous game to establish that you are a good vote
- Hard defending Rhand to the point that I make Grape's memory explode
Those are just my strongest things but I've been giving reads and generally I am doing my best to ensure the day is going as I like it. What more could I do other than lead a lynch on my top scum suspect and ensure my top town reads are not pressured unduly? Seriously I am not playing dumb, maybe I am just dumb for once. What mythical trait am I supposed to express here?
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Walk me through my scumminess. Help me understand so that if you are town I can better understand the game. I'll tell you the same I tell everyone. If you are town, we are not enemies.
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You keep saying you defended rhand and read Lng, but like, wrt rhand, even though I agree that he’s probably town, you have literally not defended him like you did Osie. You said “I defend him with the same gusto I gave Osie” which is an actual joke. You’re not digging through rhand’s iso, quoting things and giving perspective on why it’s town and what the context is. You’re not going through other people’s attacks on him and highlighting things that are incorrect. You did all of that for Osie and all that i see here is you saying “pretend I’m doing all that”.
At the same time, no one else seems to see this and I feel just gas lit. Most people seem to have you in the mid townie section just above null and I don’t really see anyone giving actual reasons.
Going back to day 1, I still think your “oh I was only posturing on shinichi” looks super convenient and you never actually showed me the Chris I saw in death in the Family after that small glimmer. And that’s basically this whole game. Glimmers of Chris with posturing and pedantry filling in the gaps.
Basically, an internal drive to win the game for your team regardless of alignment, and not just sitting back and letting the game happen around you.
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I frankly suspect all of you bastards. So, if you don’t want to make your case on Chris to Chris, make it to me.
In particular explain what you mean about the convenience of his Shin stance and then tell me what you think about his exchange with Silver mid D1.
MTGS version is "munch", apparently. Don't think we have an actual popcorn one?
Have an outstanding question to shadow, mostly just waiting for "people" to "do things" at the moment and hoping shadow engages with ~someone regardless of his alignment.
D1 he took the stance that Shin was the same as he had been in the previous game, and just wasn’t going to read him cause he always found him scummy; problem being that Shin was playing pretty wildly differently from Game of Thrones Mafia, and when called out, Chris said “aha, I was only laying a trap”. He followed up with some decent posts, but fell off again after that.
Today, he keeps alluding to putting effort into things, IE: “consider me defending rhand like I did Osie in DitF”, and in general his stances are just more weightless than what I know he can do as town.
@Chris: if this is you as chill town, then wake up and be actual engaged Chris that ran DitF and scared the crap out of that scum team. Real talk here, if you’re town, why do you think so many people are just phoning in a light town read on you? You’ve made it well known that you’re not an easy lynch, I can’t imagine a bunch of people lining up to try. In that regard, it would make a certain amount of sense for you to be town, but it seems more likely that you’re scum.
As far as the you not engaging thing, didn't mean you aren't posting or responding to stuff but you even said you're disengaged, was more like... hoping your responses to people would help you shake that, because it really isn't like you as either alignment.
God scum never says that.
Never in a million years does scum say "Actually you could be town, but you're still scum" it's such a ... pure line of thought GAH.
[b]##unvote: Shadow[/b]
God I might have to up my WIM for this.
[b]##vote: Rodemy/b]
So. I think both Shadow and Rhand have done enough to be town based off of train of thought. I also think someone for sure voted for Lng and is scum.
I am glancing hard at Silver but he claimed power and is dead tonight so that's fine.
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##vote: Rodemy
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player