Anyway having looked at lasts thoughts and back at page 6 again I think shin>vaimes is a bit less likely with grape.
Shins grape read looks a bit more like TMI than forced defense if shin is scum. and he is solidly =rand town anyway separate from that.
If the world im thinking now is off, ill need to focus on, like: Chris, will, rhand if grape is town. Maybe shadow.
Well, if he's a wolf he had to have made the claim already intending to claim roleblocked. I try to assume players aren't entirely pants on head when making claims and such. I ~guess~ he could have intended to claim he did it to a partner but lol.
If there's a wolf roleblocker and Wisp is a villager and the wolves roleblock him /just/ to keep him in the PoE, that's perfectly fine IMO.
I set you up with a line that included the phrase "pop-in-deep" and that's the best you give me? *disappoint* But seriously: I think scum!Tom commits to the gimmick 105%; you forgetting it because you had actual thoughts you wanted to communicate is a good thing.
Well, if he's a wolf he had to have made the claim already intending to claim roleblocked. I try to assume players aren't entirely pants on head when making claims and such. I ~guess~ he could have intended to claim he did it to a partner but lol.
If there's a wolf roleblocker and Wisp is a villager and the wolves roleblock him /just/ to keep him in the PoE, that's perfectly fine IMO.
That's a fair point. I couldn't find a town reason to post that, but obviously I didn't think hard enough.
Shadow, what would you say is the towniest thing you've done/post you've made this game? Why?
Chris, did you ever clarify which of LnG's posts you were talking about here? Since LnG's in possible crosshairs, I'd like to know what you saw in case LnG flips scum.
Interestingly two people I am not fond of probably aren't aligned in Lng and GF after Lng's analysis of GF's play. Felt either like a genuine confusion on Lng's part or trying to sell that story to GF for him to be pocketed.
and yes, wolves would have to go out of their way to waste night actions to keep me alive (as mislynch bait), and they would also be wasting the KP if they chose to shoot me
#feelspepe
Sorry, I just ran out of energy this weekend. Happens to me sometimes these days.
Just to be clear Tom, if someone I think is clearly town is town you will look at me, the person who voted for an extension to give in your world scum Lng more time publicly.
Hm. Interesting take.
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Sorry, I just ran out of energy this weekend. Happens to me sometimes these days.
Just to be clear Tom, if someone I think is clearly town is town you will look at me, the person who voted for an extension to give in your world scum Lng more time publicly.
Hm. Interesting take.
Use more nouns babe I dont know who youre talking about.
But i have no read on you currently thats why id want to look into you...
I don't think I've done anything particularly townie Cantrip. If I had to pick one thing it's probably my reluctance to follow this game. Sheeping wrong people would have been a really easy way to react to LnG's questions about my stubbornness/scumminess/badness as scum.
@Chris when you have time I want to know why your read of me changed.
@Tom I wasn't ignoring any of what you said I was ignoring. I was just focused on you going from my being scum explains the movement to I'm interchangeable with other people.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
And both grape and cantrip weakly tried to tie people to him (notably grape with chris and cantrip with me) and it was extremely context-deaf from both of them.
@Tom I wasn't ignoring any of what you said I was ignoring. I was just focused on you going from my being scum explains the movement to I'm interchangeable with other people.
uh...
Sorry i dont have your whole nefarious orgy locked in day 1?
@Tom I wasn't ignoring any of what you said I was ignoring. I was just focused on you going from my being scum explains the movement to I'm interchangeable with other people.
uh...
Sorry i dont have your whole nefarious orgy locked in day 1?
Looking at the beginning of rhand wagon again (end of page 6), and I think lngrr/grape/vaimes works too. That team tried real hard to make rhand a thing right when it could have become lngrr vs grape for the day.
Theres a few people that could swap out for grape as well, but lngrr is still the fulcrum of this solve.
There hasnt been a lack of resistance to the slowly building lngrr wagon, there has been a lack of impact from those resisting. And both grape and cantrip weakly tried to tie people to him (notably grape with chris and cantrip with me) and it was extremely context-deaf from both of them.
Chris did it too with silver but that didnt feel quite as gross. But he definitely needs to show his ******* work on me.
Sucks that lngrr is gone but i still think hes individually the most likely wolf.
I don't think I've done anything particularly townie Cantrip. If I had to pick one thing it's probably my reluctance to follow this game. Sheeping wrong people would have been a really easy way to react to LnG's questions about my stubbornness/scumminess/badness as scum.
@Chris when you have time I want to know why your read of me changed.
@Tom I wasn't ignoring any of what you said I was ignoring. I was just focused on you going from my being scum explains the movement to I'm interchangeable with other people.
From when to when?
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What am I supposed to do, exactly? I could case him but I don't really... have a case other than the weird vibes I've been getting the last few pages from him.
I'm saying I want to see some vote movement and I'm wondering why we bothered with an extension when we're just going to shrug and lunch LnGrrr at the end of it anyway.
What am I supposed to do, exactly? I could case him but I don't really... have a case other than the weird vibes I've been getting the last few pages from him.
Get your hands dirty and talk about why others should vote him.
What am I supposed to do, exactly? I could case him but I don't really... have a case other than the weird vibes I've been getting the last few pages from him.
Get your hands dirty and talk about why others should vote him.
The fact people are trying to wagon me now because they'd rather do that than wagon someone they already thought was a wolf besides LnGrrr is, uh. interesting. Especially given *that* was what caused the votes rather than Chris actively trying to lunch me.
But no, I'm not going to "get my hands dirty and talk about why others should vote him." I already said why I think he has wolf equity and I was expecting people who already agreed with me to help me wagon him.
If you don't want to vote him then don't, I'm not going to try to convince you to lunch him at the eleventh hour on D1 especially since I'm not particularly sure he is a wolf I just wanted an alternative to Rhand and LnGrrr.
If you think I'm being a hypocrite for telling others they aren't doing anything with the extra time while I myself also do nothing with it, (1) being a hypocrite doesn't make me a wolf, so you'll have to connect those dots, (2) I'm ready to end the day and don't particularly care which of LnGrrr/Rhand/Grape is the actual lunch, and (3) I did do something, I asked the people who already said they wanted Grape to put their money where their mouth is and vote him with me.
In fact.
@Cantrip, @Tubba why vote me when you weren't voting before at all? Is what I just did really the most AI thing you've seen since you unvoted? And do you actually think you're going to get me lunched after my wagon *just* dissipated or is this just posturing because you didn't have anywhere better to put your vote?
@grapefruit
Can you link me to the posts that give you that vibe?
If this is for me, no, I'm not quote morning on mobile lol. Maybe tomorrow. But if you iso him it's like his last six or seven posts, the echoing thing I talked about is the big one but his other recent posts feel sliiightly off to me.
@grapefruit
Can you link me to the posts that give you that vibe?
If this is for me, no, I'm not quote morning on mobile lol. Maybe tomorrow. But if you iso him it's like his last six or seven posts, the echoing thing I talked about is the big one but his other recent posts feel slightly off to me.
im asking for Grape to give me links to the posts that give him open-wolfing vibes from tom, what are you on?
@Cantrip: how would you describe your own wolf meta?
Also other than myself and (*checks last vote count*) not voting, apparently, who else are you considering for the lunch right now?
My wolf meta is pretty similar to my town meta: ask a lot of questions, have a lot of fun, find things that no one else finds significant but bulldog players for them anyway. A while back Tom figured out that I often have a "used car salesman" vibe when I'm scum, so I've been working on eliminating that. I'm starting to think that my biggest contribution when town is making myself clearly town. All of that, unfortunately, suffers when a) I over-commit and/or b) real life makes me a lurker.
As I said above, I really don't know what direction I want to go in. I want to see Chris flip, but that's me and my fragile ego wanting a boost; I don't really feel that he's a good lunch toDay. LnG's iso makes me feel like he's a fair candidate for lunching, but I'm not sold on it (plus, he's my scum buddy, so there's that). I have good vibes from Will, but he's dropped off the map along with LnG. Vaimes has had very little impact so far, which is concerning. I've gotten some pings from both you and Shadow, but he's V/LA, and there was something in your response to Chris's attacks that made me think you were town (I'll have to go back and find that). Tubba feels fine, but I don't really have any solid sense of anything he's done this game. That leaves Tom and Rhand, neither of whom I'm really interested in lunching. So there are quite a few possibilities I'm staring down, with very few strong town leans, but I've futzed around and been delayed so much that I don't really have time to pursue anything. I was actually a little bummed to come back to a deadline extension, because either I would have been lunched or I'd have time to do some rereading with a flip to factor in.
So yeah, I'd be ok with lunching LnG. But your posts threw me because you were like "someone should do something; hey, look at these nice warm seats on Grape's lunchwagon. Since we asked for an extension, we probably ought to actually change something, hint, hint". If you were town and seriously wanted people to join you, why not--at minimum--reiterate the reasons you suspect Grape (or point to a post where you did so) and try to persuade people? I just don't see any investment on your part; I don't get the sense that you really care who gets lunched.
As for Tubba's vote...he's obviously been dancing around maybe voting you maybe not for a while now. Why are you surprised that he'd be willing to join an attack on you (especially given that he said he was catching up when Chris was attacking you)?
*head tilt* Why go after a player that, I believe, multiple people have indicated they aren't willing to lunch, as well as a player who's actively world-building and appears to be trying to solve when there are more likely scum? Like...spicy-ish, but...?
I just don't see any investment on your part; I don't get the sense that you really care who gets lunched.
I have *literally* said I don't care who gets lunched as long as it's not someone I'm townreading multiple times including on this page. Lol. This seems to be the thrust of your problem but uh. Yeah, I just don't. Sorry (not sorry).
And yeah I don't remember Tubba ever saying he might vote me or anything to that effect but I could definitely be misremembering. Just the fact that both players who hadn't seen fit to vote at all in the last however many pages decided to vote me at basically the same time over basically nothing when my wagon just disintegrated and didn't vote me when a strong player was pushing it is hilarious.
I didn't restate my personal reasons for the vote because (1) they aren't strong and (2) I wasn't trying to persuade anyone to do anything except vote their favorite wagon after LnGrrr. If that's me, fine, it's just funny is all.
@Cantrip because I'm the third vote on both tom and Rhand at the moment. Given the absolute lack of interest in Rhand I want to push tom especially since he's been actively scummy in the past 72 hours. Activity is a nice tiebreaker, and if we need my vote to hammer LnG or risk a flipless day I'll provide it, but I'm not going to not push my scum reads in the meantime.
ill probably just hammer whoever gets to L1 today
Rhand/Grape/Grr
dont really care, Rhand would be the one im most against though
EoD is at 3am so ill be around
ill probably just hammer whoever gets to L1 today
Rhand/Grape/Grr
dont really care, Rhand would be the one im most against though
EoD is at 3am so ill be around
ill probably just hammer whoever gets to L1 today
Rhand/Grape/Grr
dont really care, Rhand would be the one im most against though
EoD is at 3am so ill be around
ill probably just hammer whoever gets to L1 today
Rhand/Grape/Grr
dont really care, Rhand would be the one im most against though
EoD is at 3am so ill be around
Weren't you town reading me?
was I? Don't recall, don't see why I would?
It seemed to be a weird thing based off Shin's meta and his read on me. I wasn't sure why it meant good things for me but you seemed to think it did.
I just don't see any investment on your part; I don't get the sense that you really care who gets lunched.
I have *literally* said I don't care who gets lunched as long as it's not someone I'm townreading multiple times including on this page. Lol. This seems to be the thrust of your problem but uh. Yeah, I just don't. Sorry (not sorry).
That's probably where my feelings of disconnect come in. You have said you don't care, but you're doing the whole wink-wink-nudge-nudge-join-me-on-Grape thing, encouraging movement, in a specific direction, while being vocal about being mostly indifferent.
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And yeah I don't remember Tubba ever saying he might vote me or anything to that effect but I could definitely be misremembering. Just the fact that both players who hadn't seen fit to vote at all in the last however many pages decided to vote me at basically the same time over basically nothing when my wagon just disintegrated and didn't vote me when a strong player was pushing it is hilarious.
Like I said, when Chris was pushing you, I considered it, but I saw something you posted that made me think you were more likely town. I'll find it in the morning. And Tubba's recent iso:
361: sets up comparison between his thirstiness and your "nobody wants to play with me". 525: asks about your meta.
Well Chris there’s clearly no interest in Silver. And since no one seems to see what I see in Grape, I think Lngr is our best shot at lynching scum toDay.
This is weird. Why isn’t there any interest in Silver? If silver and Chris are town, pushing silver and letting Chris do the heavy lifting is win/win.
Seriously tho I am not trying to be rude, the question itself seems kind of manipulative as well?
though can you explain the second sentence? @tubba
I was behind when I posted that,two pages. For not trying to be rude, you nailed it out of the park though.
As far as my second sentence, it seems pretty self explanatory. Why wouldn’t there be some movement on Silver if he were town? Chris is a great stalking horse, and had been pushing Silver pretty hard. Seems to me if they’re both town there should have been some nibbles.
The preceding pages don’t really change my question that much either. What does it say that there were no nibbles on Silver, if you consider them both town?
My only scum game was low fantasy. I tunneled JeyK and was pretty obvious after a few days.
I don’t know. Silver has bugged me, it’s like a LAMIST, why won’t anyone play with me thing. His Ruma case wasn’t great imo, and when confronted with no traction on the slot, kinda shrugged, and moved on but I don’t feel any kind of push elsewhere. Like, he’s publicly resigned to lynch whomever, and cops out to having no hard info.
As far as Chris, I feel like some paranoia is healthy. I want to question what he thinks and shy he thinks it, whatever his alignment I want him to feel me looking over his shoulder, following along with his work.
Maybe I’m focusing on this too much but it’s where my head is st right now, and it just seemed weird. Surface logic seems fine for day one, but it didn’t make any waves. That doesn’t make the status quo look like a good game state for town. Wolves should have wanted the votes to move if Lng is a hit, it’s too good an opportunity to push off wagon.
Maybe I smoked too much playing D&D and I’m up too late.
Don’t call me pointless or assume I’m not thinking about the game. I hate that ***** so much and I get pissy and catty about it. I’ll try and do the same for you.
@Cantrip because I'm the third vote on both tom and Rhand at the moment. Given the absolute lack of interest in Rhand I want to push tom especially since he's been actively scummy in the past 72 hours. Activity is a nice tiebreaker, and if we need my vote to hammer LnG or risk a flipless day I'll provide it, but I'm not going to not push my scum reads in the meantime.
Ok. What made you feel better about Silver when you posted 608?
I have to go to bed, but I will be around tomorrow, and I want answers to my questions from Tom and Chris.
Shins grape read looks a bit more like TMI than forced defense if shin is scum. and he is solidly =rand town anyway separate from that.
If the world im thinking now is off, ill need to focus on, like: Chris, will, rhand if grape is town. Maybe shadow.
If there's a wolf roleblocker and Wisp is a villager and the wolves roleblock him /just/ to keep him in the PoE, that's perfectly fine IMO.
If hes a wolf he can claim roleblocked or to have targeted a buddy or the nightkill. Also fine.
I have opinions on his posting they just dont matter
That's a fair point. I couldn't find a town reason to post that, but obviously I didn't think hard enough.
Shadow, what would you say is the towniest thing you've done/post you've made this game? Why?
Hmm.
Grape, same question: what's the towniest thing you've done/post you've made this game? Why?
Vaimes, let's say that LnG comes back and claims IC and proves it. Who do you want to lunch?
would prefer to eat the night KP tho rather than get mislynched, gotta keep up my streak thank you very much
#feelspepe
Just to be clear Tom, if someone I think is clearly town is town you will look at me, the person who voted for an extension to give in your world scum Lng more time publicly.
Hm. Interesting take.
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But i have no read on you currently thats why id want to look into you...
Or heck, vote me if you think me being in random mode is scummy.
@Chris when you have time I want to know why your read of me changed.
@Tom I wasn't ignoring any of what you said I was ignoring. I was just focused on you going from my being scum explains the movement to I'm interchangeable with other people.
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LnGrrrR (4) - tomsloger (#144), shadowlancerx (#353), Lastwshisper (#487), Rhand (#611)
Rhand (3) - Vaimes (#299), Grapefruit21 (#300), Will-98 (#329)
tomsloger (2) - LnGrrrR (#153), Sir Chris (#604)
Grapefruit (1) - Silvercrys3467 (#642)
Not Voting: Tubba Fett, Cantripmancer
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch!
V/LA: Shadow until the 13th
Deadline is Sun July 9 at 12 midnight Pacfic Time.
Sorry i dont have your whole nefarious orgy locked in day 1?
Im not reading you scum for wagon movement...
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Also who was I trying to tie to Chris?
I’m not sure if it is. Hence the “weird”. It was just an observation.
From when to when?
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Looking back I think I may have badly misread 643. I took it as okay with pushing not okay with your town reads.
We can go back to LnGrrr later if we have to but the wagon's stalled out and very stale right now. Let's see some movement.
*wants someone to do something, but doesn't do anything himself*
More to come later, but this is pinging.
What am I supposed to do, exactly? I could case him but I don't really... have a case other than the weird vibes I've been getting the last few pages from him.
@Cantrip: how would you describe your own wolf meta?
Also other than myself and (*checks last vote count*) not voting, apparently, who else are you considering for the lunch right now?
Plus if Grape is town, his thoughts will always be more insightful then Lng's
@silver
So it's weird that use that as an excuse to shade everyone else's participation
I'm saying I want to see some vote movement and I'm wondering why we bothered with an extension when we're just going to shrug and lunch LnGrrr at the end of it anyway.
Get your hands dirty and talk about why others should vote him.
[b]Vote Silver
Vote: Tom
I think he's just open wolfing here.
Goddamnit...
[b]Vote Silver[/b]
Can you link me to the posts that give you that vibe?
@tubba
3rd time is the charm, just saying
But no, I'm not going to "get my hands dirty and talk about why others should vote him." I already said why I think he has wolf equity and I was expecting people who already agreed with me to help me wagon him.
If you don't want to vote him then don't, I'm not going to try to convince you to lunch him at the eleventh hour on D1 especially since I'm not particularly sure he is a wolf I just wanted an alternative to Rhand and LnGrrr.
If you think I'm being a hypocrite for telling others they aren't doing anything with the extra time while I myself also do nothing with it, (1) being a hypocrite doesn't make me a wolf, so you'll have to connect those dots, (2) I'm ready to end the day and don't particularly care which of LnGrrr/Rhand/Grape is the actual lunch, and (3) I did do something, I asked the people who already said they wanted Grape to put their money where their mouth is and vote him with me.
In fact.
@Cantrip, @Tubba why vote me when you weren't voting before at all? Is what I just did really the most AI thing you've seen since you unvoted? And do you actually think you're going to get me lunched after my wagon *just* dissipated or is this just posturing because you didn't have anywhere better to put your vote?
Anyway, as you were.
As I said above, I really don't know what direction I want to go in. I want to see Chris flip, but that's me and my fragile ego wanting a boost; I don't really feel that he's a good lunch toDay. LnG's iso makes me feel like he's a fair candidate for lunching, but I'm not sold on it (plus, he's my scum buddy, so there's that). I have good vibes from Will, but he's dropped off the map along with LnG. Vaimes has had very little impact so far, which is concerning. I've gotten some pings from both you and Shadow, but he's V/LA, and there was something in your response to Chris's attacks that made me think you were town (I'll have to go back and find that). Tubba feels fine, but I don't really have any solid sense of anything he's done this game. That leaves Tom and Rhand, neither of whom I'm really interested in lunching. So there are quite a few possibilities I'm staring down, with very few strong town leans, but I've futzed around and been delayed so much that I don't really have time to pursue anything. I was actually a little bummed to come back to a deadline extension, because either I would have been lunched or I'd have time to do some rereading with a flip to factor in.
So yeah, I'd be ok with lunching LnG. But your posts threw me because you were like "someone should do something; hey, look at these nice warm seats on Grape's lunchwagon. Since we asked for an extension, we probably ought to actually change something, hint, hint". If you were town and seriously wanted people to join you, why not--at minimum--reiterate the reasons you suspect Grape (or point to a post where you did so) and try to persuade people? I just don't see any investment on your part; I don't get the sense that you really care who gets lunched.
As for Tubba's vote...he's obviously been dancing around maybe voting you maybe not for a while now. Why are you surprised that he'd be willing to join an attack on you (especially given that he said he was catching up when Chris was attacking you)?
*head tilt* Why go after a player that, I believe, multiple people have indicated they aren't willing to lunch, as well as a player who's actively world-building and appears to be trying to solve when there are more likely scum? Like...spicy-ish, but...?
I'll be back in a little while; I have a promise to fulfill.
And yeah I don't remember Tubba ever saying he might vote me or anything to that effect but I could definitely be misremembering. Just the fact that both players who hadn't seen fit to vote at all in the last however many pages decided to vote me at basically the same time over basically nothing when my wagon just disintegrated and didn't vote me when a strong player was pushing it is hilarious.
I didn't restate my personal reasons for the vote because (1) they aren't strong and (2) I wasn't trying to persuade anyone to do anything except vote their favorite wagon after LnGrrr. If that's me, fine, it's just funny is all.
@Cantrip because I'm the third vote on both tom and Rhand at the moment. Given the absolute lack of interest in Rhand I want to push tom especially since he's been actively scummy in the past 72 hours. Activity is a nice tiebreaker, and if we need my vote to hammer LnG or risk a flipless day I'll provide it, but I'm not going to not push my scum reads in the meantime.
Rhand/Grape/Grr
dont really care, Rhand would be the one im most against though
EoD is at 3am so ill be around
Weren't you town reading me?
It seemed to be a weird thing based off Shin's meta and his read on me. I wasn't sure why it meant good things for me but you seemed to think it did.
Like I said, when Chris was pushing you, I considered it, but I saw something you posted that made me think you were more likely town. I'll find it in the morning. And Tubba's recent iso:
525: asks about your meta.
Ok. What made you feel better about Silver when you posted 608?
I have to go to bed, but I will be around tomorrow, and I want answers to my questions from Tom and Chris.