Are you ******* kidding me. Dude's not going to bus active scum ROLEBLOCKER Sir Chris day 1, jesus man.
That's not what happened. Shadow voted you and then Rhand and cantrip got on the wagon. Shadow then looked for the flimsiest excuse to quit the wagon and let it without much from your slot.
Anyway I have to read Vaimes, because low posting Vaimes is almost certainly scum Vaimes, but Chris just fits better. I'm also not opposed to lynching Rodemy to prevent him from getting to LyLo.
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I do not fit better.ISO Shadow and look at how he talked to me. It was so bogus.
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Further, as roleblocker you think I elect to not bus either of my low effort no WIM goons? give me a break.
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I am annoyed with myself. When I am annoyed with myself I get annoyed with others easier.
Also because I know if I was scum this game would have been so easy. I also would have blocked Silver.
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In fairness the wine got shadow shot so scum srent very clever. Also you won't die. Seriously you are super obvious town.
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338 Says he should have a read on Shadow and LnG by now, says LnG pings null rather than scummy, so LnG can live. Hedges on Shadow.
well the fact that he specifically pulled those two names out of his hat to call null, though, Idk why he chooses this game to stop bussing (if hes mafia), especially when Grr's mafia game has repeatedly shown to be lacking, and Shadow's wolf game which is one of the strongest on this site
hes definitely the better of all the lynches today, also his shade combined with not actively trying to push a better train digusts me, wolves arent the only ones that make comments like that, but honestly idk what the point of that comment was other than to claim that it was so obvious that Rhand was town, and if thats the case, he just has TMI
Also it doesnt matter if Chris' reactions look fake, because he doesnt get lynched today, when everything on a macro level points to him not being a wolf outside a few isolated posts, that I pointed out at the start of the day, but he gave an adequate answer and he does seem like the kind of person that would be very self-aware of his actions as either alignment
What Shadow pointed out, probably should've gotten Chris lynched, Chris has been mislynched before in a game where his towniness was way more apparent, so imo it was a dangerous play coming from two wolves when it is clear from POV that the last wolf is a roleblocker
Shadow,
• Your 25 still pings on re-read. The missed opportunities feels fakey, and your questions to Silver have a distancing feel about them. Can you point to you-Silver interactions this game that you feel are indicative of the two of you being unaligned?
• But I sorta like 28; not sure scum!you encourages town!Tom like that.
• 31 I can't tell if your annoyance at LnG's standard Rhand vote is real. I was going to say that it didn't seem to even register for you in Token Power Redux, but then I realized that was the first time they did that. Did you ever pick LnG's brain on the Grape question? Oh, yes, you clarified in 80.
• 32/33 is the juicy plomb, which felt really natural the first time through. I...know you can be that witty, so it's entirely possible that it was natural/unplanned.
• What did you get out of your question to LnG in 76?
• My gut response to your 80 is to call you out because you didn't "talk about LnG's Grape question", you just told LnG you wanted to pick his brain on it after Grape responded. Grape responded and you only got back to it in a roundabout way when Silver called you out on "sheeping" Tom, but... thinking about it, I'm not sure that series of events is scummy. I could see me forgetting to follow up immediately and then, when reminded by someone else's comment that essentially addressed my point, just agreeing and moving on. So no town points, but no scum points, either.
• In context, I think LnG's response to you here is less likely to be one given to a buddy. I think if you were scum with LnG he'd give a more confident/definite answer.
• I think your back and forth with Riku/Wisp makes you unaligned with that slot. Riku's initial expression of never reading you again felt a little out of nowhere, but I think there's some actual emotion there.
• Don't really like your Tom/barn vote on LnG in 145, especially with LnG not even commenting on it. Maybe that's just LnG trying to avoid conflict with you?
• I like that you call Shin out in 167 for his liking the LnG wagon but not voting, especially when you start that post off with an indication that you don't feel like lunching him. Good pressure on LnG.
1. Why cantrip isnt a wolf with shadow
2. Why I am not a wolf with shadow
3. gotta analyze this post in particular to see if its just a red herring, its good distance between shadow/grr, and probably good distancing between him and Shin
I find myself in the frustrating position of wanting to lunch just about everyone.
Vaimes for low content/effort, which is indicative of his scum game.
Chris because he's a good player and has been wrong on a lot of points this game, which makes me think it's more likely he's scum being sneaky than town being bad.
Rod because he's tunneling a player that, despite my own misgivings, is probably just town.
Wisp because of her frustratingly lax play and claim flubs.
Tubba because he hasn't contributed much at all.
Pretty much the only one I don't feel like lunching is Vezok.
Which means it's Vezok, isn't it?
I haven't looked at any more interactions yet. I will, though.
EWP: I like that last post from Wisp, but...
Wisp, are you relying solely on my notes, or are you looking at the original posts? Obviously you haven't yet for the one you bolded regarding Shin, but...it feels odd that you'd just take my perspective and treat it as gospel.
This shin spunk is...refreshing? Like I don’t feel the overwhelming urge to lynch him like normal.
@Shin wrt Tubba, I can’t actually describe that read very well; but he’s doing very off the cuff Tubba things that I associate with his town persona. Wrt Lng, why ask if you can join the wagon instead of just joining it?
I’m not supremely impressed by Lng’s response to pressure, wouldn’t mind some more questions/votes directed his way.
@Cantrip
tbh I expected a way different response from your opinion, this both and what you say dont really add up, I thought I had a general understanding of the post from your response, but clearly not
on actually reading the post, its hard to say if this is w/w, or w/v, like if this was any other than maybe a strong wolf, I would think its unlikely w/v, but it kinda feels more like a conversation between two wolves
WAITTTTTT
who in their right mind could think my slot is wolves with Shadow after reading the interactions between Riku and Shadow on page 2????????????????????????????????????????????
also, lets say I did fake claim here, if I do, I do not play the way I am bussing my own partners, because my plan is not to live to lylo, but to powerwolf hard and get the people I want lynched before I am finally caught in my own lie
@Wisp
Did you ever explain why you claimed when you did?
it was an emotional response, as well as I really didn't care much for this game when I first joined in, it also gets the pressure off me because I cant think clearly when people aren't constantly poking at me
Secondly, idk how Silver can be such a strong town and at the same time strongly believe such a poor read as the one on Riku day 1, Chris was just the icing on the cake, I expected better from him, and it was doubtful I was wiggling out of his, "my reads are like cop checks" mindset
If I didn't exist, and didn't claim, then the chances of shadow being dead right now would be extremely unlikely
It's very clear that Rodemy doesn't know how to play mafia outside anything but a surface level based on how he keeps choosing to come back to me without even attempting a backread which like I said shows many reasons why I am town on an individual level ignoring my mechanical claim
This is why I get mad in mafia, cause I don't agree with many players conclusions, and unlike myself they never seem to re-evaluate anything
As well as, choosing to pursue the worst decisions on day 3 with 2 mafia down, like killing top posters, when there is literally no need to
Every player wants to be that guy that thinks they caught the deep wolf, when half the time there isn't even one
Or the guy that thinks the wolves are playing 4D chess, and absolutely reaching on there reads which just ends getting a strong town or strong pr killed
Tubba, can we maybe get a liiiiiiiitttttle more for D3 from you other than a question to Wisp that she'd already answered? A few takes, a reads list, something?
This shin spunk is...refreshing? Like I don’t feel the overwhelming urge to lynch him like normal.
@Shin wrt Tubba, I can’t actually describe that read very well; but he’s doing very off the cuff Tubba things that I associate with his town persona. Wrt Lng, why ask if you can join the wagon instead of just joining it?
I’m not supremely impressed by Lng’s response to pressure, wouldn’t mind some more questions/votes directed his way.
@Cantrip
tbh I expected a way different response from your opinion, this both and what you say dont really add up, I thought I had a general understanding of the post from your response, but clearly not
on actually reading the post, its hard to say if this is w/w, or w/v, like if this was any other than maybe a strong wolf, I would think its unlikely w/v, but it kinda feels more like a conversation between two wolves
Shrug? All I can say is that I made that read when I didn't know if Shadow was scum, and at the time I was more focused on whether Shadow's actions were more likely malicious or if he was just trying to figure Shin out. Looking at it again, it could certainly be possible w/w interaction.
Vaimes, what would you say has been the most alignment indicative post you've made this game? I ask in part because a review of your iso leaves me pretty underwhelmed, which I don't think is the norm for you. I know you've been real life busy, but...
@Cantrip
I’m gonna need you to be more specific.
Honestly, I don’t play that way. Anytime I make a reads list I hate it, and I don’t have confidence in it.
I don’t think it’s Chris, or you. I’m sceptical of Last and hoped the claim would have been proven one way or the other by now, didn’t like Will but haven’t minded Rod so far. Vaimes should’ve posted more than this, both quantitatively and qualitatively.
@Cantrip
I’m gonna need you to be more specific.
Honestly, I don’t play that way. Anytime I make a reads list I hate it, and I don’t have confidence in it.
I don’t think it’s Chris, or you. I’m sceptical of Last and hoped the claim would have been proven one way or the other by now, didn’t like Will but haven’t minded Rod so far. Vaimes should’ve posted more than this, both quantitatively and qualitatively.
This has probably helped you very little.
Eh...if it's all I get, I'll take it. It at least gives me a feel for where you stand, generally.
How DO you play, exactly?
What didn't you like about Will? I thought he felt pretty natural for a (maybe?) first-timer.
@Cantrip
I’m gonna need you to be more specific.
Honestly, I don’t play that way. Anytime I make a reads list I hate it, and I don’t have confidence in it.
I don’t think it’s Chris, or you. I’m sceptical of Last and hoped the claim would have been proven one way or the other by now, didn’t like Will but haven’t minded Rod so far. Vaimes should’ve posted more than this, both quantitatively and qualitatively.
This has probably helped you very little.
Eh...if it's all I get, I'll take it. It at least gives me a feel for where you stand, generally.
How DO you play, exactly?
What didn't you like about Will? I thought he felt pretty natural for a (maybe?) first-timer.
I’m a beautiful low hanging wallflower, if properly tended I yield bountiful results.
Will felt wooden but turned a sharp corner. While it’s possible he’s just new it seemed suspect. At the time, I mentioned “coached”, it was reminiscent of my first scum game. My team told me I needed to make some kind of a case NOW, and that’s how I felt about Will’s abrupt style shift.
@vaimes
You can speak to me on why, coming into your first real read list, you just happened to name both wolves as null, that would be helpful in figuring out your alignment if you are town
Hey Vaimes, it seems like you aee getting lynched. Can you make some sort of effort to show some sort of emotion except apathy so I can read you? I'm still at page 5 and kinda don't feel like reading fast.
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That's L-1 for Vaimes. I'd really like to hear from him before we move forward. Unless "lunch Rod" is his legacy, in which case, we're probably good to go.
Chris, I feel like you dropped off the radar. Come back and participate in case this isn't end of game.
Oh yeah, Will and Shadow had that whole "is English your first language" exchange that didn't even sort of feel like theatre. Pretty sure that clears Rod.
That's L-1 for Vaimes. I'd really like to hear from him before we move forward. Unless "lunch Rod" is his legacy, in which case, we're probably good to go.
Chris, I feel like you dropped off the radar. Come back and participate in case this isn't end of game.
It pretty much is.
I’d consider LW next but I don’t think it’ll come to that. Chris and Tubba are town.
Oh yeah, Will and Shadow had that whole "is English your first language" exchange that didn't even sort of feel like theatre. Pretty sure that clears Rod.
That's not what happened. Shadow voted you and then Rhand and cantrip got on the wagon. Shadow then looked for the flimsiest excuse to quit the wagon and let it without much from your slot.
Anyway I have to read Vaimes, because low posting Vaimes is almost certainly scum Vaimes, but Chris just fits better. I'm also not opposed to lynching Rodemy to prevent him from getting to LyLo.
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Like I get your frustration but it seems like an overreaction which screams fake to me.
Also because I know if I was scum this game would have been so easy. I also would have blocked Silver.
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as if somehow I can adequately defend myself, or catch the rest of the wolves
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well the fact that he specifically pulled those two names out of his hat to call null, though, Idk why he chooses this game to stop bussing (if hes mafia), especially when Grr's mafia game has repeatedly shown to be lacking, and Shadow's wolf game which is one of the strongest on this site
hes definitely the better of all the lynches today, also his shade combined with not actively trying to push a better train digusts me, wolves arent the only ones that make comments like that, but honestly idk what the point of that comment was other than to claim that it was so obvious that Rhand was town, and if thats the case, he just has TMI
What Shadow pointed out, probably should've gotten Chris lynched, Chris has been mislynched before in a game where his towniness was way more apparent, so imo it was a dangerous play coming from two wolves when it is clear from POV that the last wolf is a roleblocker
With that logic:
There probably isn’t a roleblocker.
Whisp should be your number one suspect.
Thoughts?
tell these chumps why I am town please, it feels weird pulling up the obvious ***** that makes me town
k thanks, like even Last would be ok, but please no Whisp
1. Why cantrip isnt a wolf with shadow
2. Why I am not a wolf with shadow
3. gotta analyze this post in particular to see if its just a red herring, its good distance between shadow/grr, and probably good distancing between him and Shin
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I find myself in the frustrating position of wanting to lunch just about everyone.
Vaimes for low content/effort, which is indicative of his scum game.
Chris because he's a good player and has been wrong on a lot of points this game, which makes me think it's more likely he's scum being sneaky than town being bad.
Rod because he's tunneling a player that, despite my own misgivings, is probably just town.
Wisp because of her frustratingly lax play and claim flubs.
Tubba because he hasn't contributed much at all.
Pretty much the only one I don't feel like lunching is Vezok.
Which means it's Vezok, isn't it?
I haven't looked at any more interactions yet. I will, though.
EWP: I like that last post from Wisp, but...
Wisp, are you relying solely on my notes, or are you looking at the original posts? Obviously you haven't yet for the one you bolded regarding Shin, but...it feels odd that you'd just take my perspective and treat it as gospel.
Chris and wisp both are using this as a defense.
I don’t know how to take that
@Cantrip
tbh I expected a way different response from your opinion, this both and what you say dont really add up, I thought I had a general understanding of the post from your response, but clearly not
on actually reading the post, its hard to say if this is w/w, or w/v, like if this was any other than maybe a strong wolf, I would think its unlikely w/v, but it kinda feels more like a conversation between two wolves
who in their right mind could think my slot is wolves with Shadow after reading the interactions between Riku and Shadow on page 2????????????????????????????????????????????
Okay, who did you target last night?
Did you ever explain why you claimed when you did?
Secondly, idk how Silver can be such a strong town and at the same time strongly believe such a poor read as the one on Riku day 1, Chris was just the icing on the cake, I expected better from him, and it was doubtful I was wiggling out of his, "my reads are like cop checks" mindset
If I didn't exist, and didn't claim, then the chances of shadow being dead right now would be extremely unlikely
It's very clear that Rodemy doesn't know how to play mafia outside anything but a surface level based on how he keeps choosing to come back to me without even attempting a backread which like I said shows many reasons why I am town on an individual level ignoring my mechanical claim
This is why I get mad in mafia, cause I don't agree with many players conclusions, and unlike myself they never seem to re-evaluate anything
As well as, choosing to pursue the worst decisions on day 3 with 2 mafia down, like killing top posters, when there is literally no need to
Or the guy that thinks the wolves are playing 4D chess, and absolutely reaching on there reads which just ends getting a strong town or strong pr killed
I can agree with this actually. Vaimes not posting is in line with his meta. Also he pinged me in the beginning of the game.
I’ll vote when I’m on my cpu.
Please?
Shrug? All I can say is that I made that read when I didn't know if Shadow was scum, and at the time I was more focused on whether Shadow's actions were more likely malicious or if he was just trying to figure Shin out. Looking at it again, it could certainly be possible w/w interaction.
If you kill me, please kill Rod next, 100%, do not pass go. This cannot survive to lylo.
Parse this out for me please, what’s your Rod case?
I’m gonna need you to be more specific.
Honestly, I don’t play that way. Anytime I make a reads list I hate it, and I don’t have confidence in it.
I don’t think it’s Chris, or you. I’m sceptical of Last and hoped the claim would have been proven one way or the other by now, didn’t like Will but haven’t minded Rod so far. Vaimes should’ve posted more than this, both quantitatively and qualitatively.
This has probably helped you very little.
How DO you play, exactly?
What didn't you like about Will? I thought he felt pretty natural for a (maybe?) first-timer.
Also, pretty sure Chris isn't scum based on interactions, my paranoia and desire to be right aside.
Also, pretty sure Wisp isn't scum.
Grape/Vez has felt strongly pure.
So. Vaimes or Rod.
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Will felt wooden but turned a sharp corner. While it’s possible he’s just new it seemed suspect. At the time, I mentioned “coached”, it was reminiscent of my first scum game. My team told me I needed to make some kind of a case NOW, and that’s how I felt about Will’s abrupt style shift.
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Chris, I feel like you dropped off the radar. Come back and participate in case this isn't end of game.
I’d consider LW next but I don’t think it’ll come to that. Chris and Tubba are town.