I do everything with a purpose, the way you remake to it more than others is just a little off-putting
Maybe it's because you actually are town? Since I would be pissed if someone barely playing is just sitting with a vote on me, if I was town, less so if I was mafia, but that's my own self-bias
I do everything with a purpose, the way you remake to it more than others is just a little off-putting
Maybe it's because you actually are town? Since I would be pissed if someone barely playing is just sitting with a vote on me, if I was town, less so if I was mafia, but that's my own self-bias
I don’t think lngrr would react like that towards town.
That would be against his wincon.
And faking that reaction to a buddy would be next level play, which I don’t see Lngrr doing.
These seem to be contradictory statements.
(1) It would be against his wincon to reply to Cantrip that way if Cantrip is a villager.
(2) LnGrrrR isn't a good enough wolf to fake that reaction to a partner.
So... is Cantrip a villager or LnGrrrR's partner?
Kiiiiind of think you're not this sloppy as a wolf but like.
If it's you/Vaimes or something you're squeezed in pretty tight and have to try to mislunch like, Cantrip/shadow/Rodemy/Tubba in some order.
What do you think of the LnGrrrR/Grape stuff from early game? Do you still think Grape is a wolf?
It made more sense in my head lol. I wonder if punctuation is the answer.
What I meant is that Lngrr isn't good enough wolf to go the extra level:
Level 0
Cantrip is town. The answer of Lngrr would clear Cantrip, so anti-wincon for Lngrr. Not the case.
Cantrip is scum. The answer of Lngrr would clear Cantrip, so pro-wincon for Lngrr. Probably the case.
Level 1
Cantrip is town. Nextlevel!Lngrr wants to paint him as scum: he says what level 0 Lngrr would say to a scumbuddy.
Cantrip is scum. Nextlevel!Lngrr would treat him as town and not give the Level 0 answer he gave.
So if I'm right and Lngrr plays on level 0, then Cantrip is scum.
If Cantrip is town, I'm underestimating Lngrr.
I don't think Tubba is scum. Lngrr spewed him clear. I'm amazed that you think Grape is 100% clear but Tubba is not?
Looking back at the interactions, I do have my doubts about Grape being a possible buddy.
Leaning Cantrip / Vaimes for now.
@LW: You were very wrong about Shin's meta last game (and you don't even like meta?). What makes you so sure you figured him out this time?
u guys are probably expecting this answer, but I targeted Tom #Rip
also, I learned, that I'm not a neighborizor, I'm just a targeted Innocent Child
@Rhand
that's so level 0, that kind of reaction could definitely be faked, I literally saw in one of the most previous games
absolute bull*****. Why target Tom? He was obviously gonna get NK'd for pushing that Grr wagon
LW is scum.
Called it.
How do you NOT understand you are not a neighborizor? What in your role pm states anything CLOSE to being a neighborizor? I just don't believe you can assume Neighborizor from "good neighbor" and not, idk, Role pm?
vote Last Whisper
also Vaimes are you scum again? Jeeze that must suck.
Let me be memey for once, I very rarely get a claim that allows me to be safe from pressure
Nope. This doesn't clear you at all and i don't understand that thinking at all. Your claim has not been proved. I will not just sit here and accept that you are autocleared for an ability that was not claimed and the convenience of the "i'm not a neighborizor" and "i targeted tom" are too high.
Kill the scum please.
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I uh. Doubt that Wisp would have a partner tell him to claim roleblocked after he claimed to target the kill. It's just so... unnecessary. He already has an excuse, why claim two excuses?
I'll give the LnG/Tubba stuff another look I guess but I don't really remember them saying much to each other.
I took a look at the game where I was scum woth Lngrr.
I think you’re right about Grape: Lngrr only interacted with me early game because I forced him to. I think he doesn’t naturally interact with scum partners.
I uh. Doubt that Wisp would have a partner tell him to claim roleblocked after he claimed to target the kill. It's just so... unnecessary. He already has an excuse, why claim two excuses?
I'll give the LnG/Tubba stuff another look I guess but I don't really remember them saying much to each other.
idk Silver. Why would wisp read her role pm and think she was a neighborizor?
@wisp: He or she pronouns? i have seen both i believe.
It makes the claim more believable, Silver. Say your first instinct is to claim you targeted the kill. Cool, can't prove that. Well, if the scumteam has a role blocker, claim being role blocked and that could be some sort of "proof" there.
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Ok this is typical Scum!Rodemy at this point we can Lynch him at anytime, I'm not gunna use the bad town read with Rodemy anymore, and I'm not going to start using insults on him
U guys are all sitting here assuming my mafia game is so bad, that I can only survive day one by claiming a fake role that literally outs me if I don't get a target on someone
You should go read Four Horsemen, where town Rodemy was so sure I was claiming a fake role that learns the alignment of the lunch early (and where there was a minimum twilight period for "some reason") that he used his power to loverize me so that if he got night killed or lunched I would die too.
I'm not saying he's a lock villager, but Will was pretty villagery and he's definitely uh. Unorthodox as both alignments, it doesn't make him a wolf.
You should go read Four Horsemen, where town Rodemy was so sure I was claiming a fake role that learns the alignment of the lunch early (and where there was a minimum twilight period for "some reason") that he used his power to loverize me so that if he got night killed or lunched I would die too.
I'm not saying he's a lock villager, but Will was pretty villagery and he's definitely uh. Unorthodox as both alignments, it doesn't make him a wolf.
no get him out of this game, he is either a wolf or a potato, either way my vote stays on him till he dies
Stop defending poor behavior with meta
Go make a real read on his comments, instead did half baked, "he would do this as town har har"
@Rodemy
@silvercrys
To all those talking about my read on Shin in GoT, first of all, you let that dude live lylo, I can't imagine playing that poorly in mafia
I hedged on him back and fourth because I didn't expected that level of bussing day 1, his posts were also extremely wolfy in that game, they aren't here, I've also experienced two more town games with him and another wolf game
Also if Tom was so obvious town, why didnt he get hit with protection? I refuse to believe mafia have both a strongman and some sort of roleblocker
No doc? Idfk.
And TBH, you should have been the kill last night with you "lock town" ability.
Man I really stirred you up, didn't i?
no I shouldn't have, not when they have a roleblocker, I'm literally the ultimate mislynch bait, and ya, bad play stirs up my insides
Lynch me today, it doesn't matter, because y'all see me as a *****ty mafia player and it confirms there's a roleblocker, so it's doubtful I rid you of your terrible paranioa
I'm frustrated because I know you can play Mafia well and I feel like you're refusing to do so.
You played well in the champs game you replaced into. You mostly played well in Arkham even if I disagreed with you, I didn't quite "get there" from your posts alone but. Yeah. I don't think you're a *****ty player just because we disagree on stuff.
The only person voting you is Rodemy and half of the living players haven't even posted yet (or just said they would post later). Ignore him and find the wolves. Even if I'm wrong on Will there's still almost definitely one in [Cantrip/shadow/Rhand/Vaimes]. Do you think they're all villagers?
No policy lynching is obnoxious, I'm lynching him because I think he's a wolf for what he's doing this game, his meta helps solidified the read a little more
I still plan on rereading this game, I'll get back to you on that Will read
You should go read Four Horsemen, where town Rodemy was so sure I was claiming a fake role that learns the alignment of the lunch early (and where there was a minimum twilight period for "some reason") that he used his power to loverize me so that if he got night killed or lunched I would die too.
I'm not saying he's a lock villager, but Will was pretty villagery and he's definitely uh. Unorthodox as both alignments, it doesn't make him a wolf.
no get him out of this game, he is either a wolf or a potato, either way my vote stays on him till he dies
Stop defending poor behavior with meta
Go make a real read on his comments, instead did half baked, "he would do this as town har har"
Wow. "Out of the game". You can't just be like half of the other players and just: Ignore me? It's not poor behavior. Your claim just doesn't make any sort of sense.
YOU thought you were a neighborizor when your role pm clearly doesn't state that
YOU Targeted the kill. And then claimed roleblocked.
you were not the NK with your "Lock town" ability.
These are the most thought fill posts I've seen from rodemy compared to all his posts in GoT and the other game combined, I'm not touching that slot even with a stick, you could throw a bone that way and I still wouldn't go near it
@chris
Exactly what are u trying to accomplish poking there?
I even find it weird that people keep bringing up the viames/shin slot when it two games where he was scum, meta seemed to save him
If Tom is getting voted today, then ehs either not a wolf, or again the wolves are way to weak to push off him, Tom's train feels like the train you would see as a counter train to a scum wagon, the dude has made a variation of open wolf posts even in his townie at game, so that's not even a good case coming from Grape
So ya, not voting Tom today, not voting Rodemy
Same goes for Chris, not touching that slot either
Not saying they have to be town, I'm just saying the speculation of them being a wolf off day 1 posts is definitely not enough for me to vote off people that seem to be providing the most real thoughts
*End rant*
YOu weren't too sold on tom being town. you had doubts that he also COULD be wolf. In fact, you weren't too sure.
look at grr with Shin early game. I feel like grr would bus a partner. It felt like he was trying something and then it just.. stopped. He asked Shin if his tom vote was RVS or not.. and that was it.
He had put some suspicion down on Shin early game. That feels like a very safe scum move. Buss your buddy early on til you can jump onto a townie. That's left filed yes, but it's where i LIVE.
Also Whisper went from "Kill rodemy" to "Kill me" in a snap with almost no pressure at all...
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occam's razor in this world is probably that I killed him though kek
in every meaning of the word "omgus", yes I am omgusing you, but I still think you are wolf, for that terrible interpretation of the game state
no, i dont ignore bad behavior, because 80% of the time its just a wolf
my role pm is literally, Town Friendly Neighbor, and I was a Friendly Neighborizor in another game
Why do I backpedal on the neighborizor part? it doesn't even matter since my role still confirms I'm town with or without it, it was an honest mistake if you want to bury me for being inconsistent when overall its NAI for me to be inconsistent
lmao, "im not lock town", you literally stated it already, so why do you keep using that as justification
Analyzing night KP, leads to bad wifom, but we do have information, "I was roleblocked", so that answers your question
ok
I mean I wasnt up till the point where Lng flipped wolf, a person who he basically buried, and Tom doesnt ever buss, hes the manipulative type, that, coupled with the fact that he asked me to target him, I did
I'm not worried about dying, I am worried about you getting another pass for being you
also I dont care about early interactions, half the time they mean nothing, Shin is town for his individualistic behavior (and my interpretation of his meta), and you won't convince me otherwise
@Rodemy: we are not lynching a provable claim while we are ahead.
Tell me how we are going to prove it then.
EIther way nobody believes me so i am gonna back off for a bit and let other people take a stab at things. ta ta
Well if he's town, he either keeps the roleblocker occupied (if we don't lynch the roleblocker) or he'll manage to clear himself.
If he can't prove his ability by the lylo-1 Day, I'll happily lynch him.
Every night I can neighborize someone and reveal my alignment to them
Have fun guys!
Yeah but then he took back the neighborize part. How can you gather the one ability you do have.. and not realize you don't have that other ability?
Your role pm tells you what you have. I get misunderstanding the role you have, but gathering an entire new PR out of it is pushing it and i can't call that an accident.
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I'm going to try to reword the one line in my role pm that made me think I actually neighborized them
Every night, you can target a person, and strike up a chat with them... showing them your alignment ...
yadda yadda
my PR is not that different then what I claimed, remove the nieghborizer part and I still do exactly what I claimed, I reveal my alignment to them
it makes no sense to for me to come out and state that, when the person I targeted already died, if my intention was to lie from the start...
I'm going to try to reword the one line in my role pm that made me think I actually neighborized them
Every night, you can target a person, and strike up a chat with them... showing them your alignment ...
yadda yadda
my PR is not that different then what I claimed, remove the nieghborizer part and I still do exactly what I claimed, I reveal my alignment to them
it makes no sense to for me to come out and state that, when the person I targeted already died, if my intention was to lie from the start...
I mean you DID claim with 2 votes on you for literally no reason.
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Rodemy you have no idea how to think outside of level-0, that's the problem
the best move is to kill the strongest player, and roleblock the claimed prs, especially on a person that y'all
will hedge on anyways
the fact that you just voted a claimed targeted IC, on day 2, the only other claimed role says a lot about how you think and asking, "hmm", i wonder why they roleblocked the only claimed PR.
Here's where I am at on this: Your original claim, was a Neighborizor who can target someone every night and talk with them WHILE they get a mod confirmed alignment message.
Every night.
And you OPENLY claimed it with 2 votes...
Not expecting a Roleblocker? Or even taking that into concideration.
sell me on that.
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Rodemy you have no idea how to think outside of level-0, that's the problem
the best move is to kill the strongest player, and roleblock the claimed prs, especially on a person that y'all
will hedge on anyways
the fact that you just voted a claimed targeted IC, on day 2, the only other claimed role says a lot about how you think and asking, "hmm", i wonder why they roleblocked the only claimed PR.
So you claimed knowing you'd get roleblocked? If that's the best move and obviously that's how you think, why would you claim such an OP ability D1?
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i expected a roleblock, im doing my job, im eating it, so town can use their roles
I cant believe I even have to explain to you, why wanting to vote me is so beyond bad play
go find the wolves, because im not one of them
if i make it near lylo, then we can talk about killing me
i expected a roleblock, im doing my job, im eating it, so town can use their roles
I cant believe I even have to explain to you, why wanting to vote me is so beyond bad play
go find the wolves, because im not one of them
if i make it near lylo, then we can talk about killing me
._. This doesn't make sense and i don't like it.
So, here's what happened: you didn't expect to be roleblocked because, if you did, you would have checked your messages before you claimed your target instead of later.
Also you would somehow have to know there is a roleblocker in the game for this entire plan to work.
Why didn't you wait to actually use your ability instead of becoming such massive "mislynch bait?" as you called yourself?
again, i am not being out in left field here, I am just trying to understand this insanely stupid play you allegedly made.
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you can continue talking to yourself
put your vote back on me or be useful
nothing I say at this point will change your mind, it will just be another contradiction
also saying my play is insanely stupid, is ******* insulting, and also ironic coming from someone who's playstyle is only a little better than kamikaze's kek
also lets pretend the claim doesnt exist, I still gave enough thoughts that you should be focusing on those, and the fact that I was one of the peopel actively trying to get people to vote Lng
but you dont think about those things, its like assuming the person with the strongest voice, most questions, and most solving is a deep wolf on day 2, hypothetically speaking of course, and if thats sound stupid, then look in a mirror
I don't, it's just your level of thinking triggers me like Kame's does
And it doesn't help that regardless of your alignment people are allowing this pointless conversation to continue with a few people coming in, "nah this is just rodemy"
I could die today and at least you would no a roleblocker is confirmed, it's just obnoxious that you are actively pushing a self resolving role as scum on day 2
My assumption was that I was roleblocked
Maybe it's because you actually are town? Since I would be pissed if someone barely playing is just sitting with a vote on me, if I was town, less so if I was mafia, but that's my own self-bias
Who knows
It made more sense in my head lol. I wonder if punctuation is the answer.
What I meant is that Lngrr isn't good enough wolf to go the extra level:
Level 0
Cantrip is town. The answer of Lngrr would clear Cantrip, so anti-wincon for Lngrr. Not the case.
Cantrip is scum. The answer of Lngrr would clear Cantrip, so pro-wincon for Lngrr. Probably the case.
Level 1
Cantrip is town. Nextlevel!Lngrr wants to paint him as scum: he says what level 0 Lngrr would say to a scumbuddy.
Cantrip is scum. Nextlevel!Lngrr would treat him as town and not give the Level 0 answer he gave.
So if I'm right and Lngrr plays on level 0, then Cantrip is scum.
If Cantrip is town, I'm underestimating Lngrr.
I don't think Tubba is scum. Lngrr spewed him clear. I'm amazed that you think Grape is 100% clear but Tubba is not?
Looking back at the interactions, I do have my doubts about Grape being a possible buddy.
Leaning Cantrip / Vaimes for now.
@LW: You were very wrong about Shin's meta last game (and you don't even like meta?). What makes you so sure you figured him out this time?
absolute bull*****. Why target Tom? He was obviously gonna get NK'd for pushing that Grr wagon
LW is scum.
Called it.
How do you NOT understand you are not a neighborizor? What in your role pm states anything CLOSE to being a neighborizor? I just don't believe you can assume Neighborizor from "good neighbor" and not, idk, Role pm?
vote Last Whisper
also Vaimes are you scum again? Jeeze that must suck.
Nope. This doesn't clear you at all and i don't understand that thinking at all. Your claim has not been proved. I will not just sit here and accept that you are autocleared for an ability that was not claimed and the convenience of the "i'm not a neighborizor" and "i targeted tom" are too high.
Kill the scum please.
I'll give the LnG/Tubba stuff another look I guess but I don't really remember them saying much to each other.
I think you’re right about Grape: Lngrr only interacted with me early game because I forced him to. I think he doesn’t naturally interact with scum partners.
idk Silver. Why would wisp read her role pm and think she was a neighborizor?
@wisp: He or she pronouns? i have seen both i believe.
It makes the claim more believable, Silver. Say your first instinct is to claim you targeted the kill. Cool, can't prove that. Well, if the scumteam has a role blocker, claim being role blocked and that could be some sort of "proof" there.
It's all about the endgame.
U guys are all sitting here assuming my mafia game is so bad, that I can only survive day one by claiming a fake role that literally outs me if I don't get a target on someone
I'm not saying he's a lock villager, but Will was pretty villagery and he's definitely uh. Unorthodox as both alignments, it doesn't make him a wolf.
Stop defending poor behavior with meta
Go make a real read on his comments, instead did half baked, "he would do this as town har har"
@silvercrys
To all those talking about my read on Shin in GoT, first of all, you let that dude live lylo, I can't imagine playing that poorly in mafia
I hedged on him back and fourth because I didn't expected that level of bussing day 1, his posts were also extremely wolfy in that game, they aren't here, I've also experienced two more town games with him and another wolf game
This is his town game, end of story
LW why did you target tom?
No doc? Idfk.
And TBH, you should have been the kill last night with you "lock town" ability.
Man I really stirred you up, didn't i?
If you want to try to policy lunch him then just say that instead of trying to force a wolf read on him that doesn't fit.
I'm townreading the slot because I think Will was a villager, not because of anything Rodemy has done.
Lynch me today, it doesn't matter, because y'all see me as a *****ty mafia player and it confirms there's a roleblocker, so it's doubtful I rid you of your terrible paranioa
I'm frustrated because I know you can play Mafia well and I feel like you're refusing to do so.
You played well in the champs game you replaced into. You mostly played well in Arkham even if I disagreed with you, I didn't quite "get there" from your posts alone but. Yeah. I don't think you're a *****ty player just because we disagree on stuff.
The only person voting you is Rodemy and half of the living players haven't even posted yet (or just said they would post later). Ignore him and find the wolves. Even if I'm wrong on Will there's still almost definitely one in [Cantrip/shadow/Rhand/Vaimes]. Do you think they're all villagers?
I still plan on rereading this game, I'll get back to you on that Will read
Wow. "Out of the game". You can't just be like half of the other players and just: Ignore me? It's not poor behavior. Your claim just doesn't make any sort of sense.
YOU thought you were a neighborizor when your role pm clearly doesn't state that
YOU Targeted the kill. And then claimed roleblocked.
you were not the NK with your "Lock town" ability.
This is you end of day
YOu weren't too sold on tom being town. you had doubts that he also COULD be wolf. In fact, you weren't too sure.
look at grr with Shin early game. I feel like grr would bus a partner. It felt like he was trying something and then it just.. stopped. He asked Shin if his tom vote was RVS or not.. and that was it.
He had put some suspicion down on Shin early game. That feels like a very safe scum move. Buss your buddy early on til you can jump onto a townie. That's left filed yes, but it's where i LIVE.
Also Whisper went from "Kill rodemy" to "Kill me" in a snap with almost no pressure at all...
You didn't answer my question: Why did you target Tom?
occam's razor in this world is probably that I killed him though kek
in every meaning of the word "omgus", yes I am omgusing you, but I still think you are wolf, for that terrible interpretation of the game state
Tell me how we are going to prove it then.
EIther way nobody believes me so i am gonna back off for a bit and let other people take a stab at things. ta ta
my role pm is literally, Town Friendly Neighbor, and I was a Friendly Neighborizor in another game
Why do I backpedal on the neighborizor part? it doesn't even matter since my role still confirms I'm town with or without it, it was an honest mistake if you want to bury me for being inconsistent when overall its NAI for me to be inconsistent
lmao, "im not lock town", you literally stated it already, so why do you keep using that as justification
Analyzing night KP, leads to bad wifom, but we do have information, "I was roleblocked", so that answers your question
ok
I mean I wasnt up till the point where Lng flipped wolf, a person who he basically buried, and Tom doesnt ever buss, hes the manipulative type, that, coupled with the fact that he asked me to target him, I did
I'm not worried about dying, I am worried about you getting another pass for being you
also I dont care about early interactions, half the time they mean nothing, Shin is town for his individualistic behavior (and my interpretation of his meta), and you won't convince me otherwise
*shrug*
Well if he's town, he either keeps the roleblocker occupied (if we don't lynch the roleblocker) or he'll manage to clear himself.
If he can't prove his ability by the lylo-1 Day, I'll happily lynch him.
Yeah but then he took back the neighborize part. How can you gather the one ability you do have.. and not realize you don't have that other ability?
Your role pm tells you what you have. I get misunderstanding the role you have, but gathering an entire new PR out of it is pushing it and i can't call that an accident.
Every night, you can target a person, and strike up a chat with them... showing them your alignment ...
yadda yadda
my PR is not that different then what I claimed, remove the nieghborizer part and I still do exactly what I claimed, I reveal my alignment to them
it makes no sense to for me to come out and state that, when the person I targeted already died, if my intention was to lie from the start...
I mean you DID claim with 2 votes on you for literally no reason.
Like, i'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but nothing you are saying sounds plausible at all
Also also: This strikes me as a very odd thing to talk about.
As scum, the best move would be to kill you and just move on instead of wasting the roleblock as you claim.
How about this. We shall comprimise:
I'll use my PR on you and you can go ahead and use yours. Deal? Deal. Okay lets move on.
Rodemy you have no idea how to think outside of level-0, that's the problem
the best move is to kill the strongest player, and roleblock the claimed prs, especially on a person that y'all
will hedge on anyways
the fact that you just voted a claimed targeted IC, on day 2, the only other claimed role says a lot about how you think and asking, "hmm", i wonder why they roleblocked the only claimed PR.
Every night.
And you OPENLY claimed it with 2 votes...
Not expecting a Roleblocker? Or even taking that into concideration.
sell me on that.
So you claimed knowing you'd get roleblocked? If that's the best move and obviously that's how you think, why would you claim such an OP ability D1?
I cant believe I even have to explain to you, why wanting to vote me is so beyond bad play
go find the wolves, because im not one of them
if i make it near lylo, then we can talk about killing me
._. This doesn't make sense and i don't like it.
So, here's what happened: you didn't expect to be roleblocked because, if you did, you would have checked your messages before you claimed your target instead of later.
Also you would somehow have to know there is a roleblocker in the game for this entire plan to work.
Why didn't you wait to actually use your ability instead of becoming such massive "mislynch bait?" as you called yourself?
again, i am not being out in left field here, I am just trying to understand this insanely stupid play you allegedly made.
put your vote back on me or be useful
nothing I say at this point will change your mind, it will just be another contradiction
also saying my play is insanely stupid, is ******* insulting, and also ironic coming from someone who's playstyle is only a little better than kamikaze's kek
also lets pretend the claim doesnt exist, I still gave enough thoughts that you should be focusing on those, and the fact that I was one of the peopel actively trying to get people to vote Lng
but you dont think about those things, its like assuming the person with the strongest voice, most questions, and most solving is a deep wolf on day 2, hypothetically speaking of course, and if thats sound stupid, then look in a mirror
I don't believe you. Simple as that. until something else happens, that's where I am at.
So far I am lookin at you and rhand as the last 2 scum.
But hey, if i am so wrong, you got nothing to worry about, right?
And it doesn't help that regardless of your alignment people are allowing this pointless conversation to continue with a few people coming in, "nah this is just rodemy"
I could die today and at least you would no a roleblocker is confirmed, it's just obnoxious that you are actively pushing a self resolving role as scum on day 2