@Cantrip I didn't forget who I was voting. I forgot that Silver was voting LnG but not really pushing him. He was blatantly not actively pushing him preferring to pressure Ruma. That makes the 3 smart individuals are unlikely to be wrong/in cahoots read a lot shakier.
Power Wolf, like hard to catch and playing a good game. Like I just read his bottom three and its like epic rule of 3 of rum/lng/rhand ie people with low energy and I am like "Is that what gets you going? Going after easy targets?" and so I just got really paranoid about Silver. He has been "good" but hm.
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Actually I forgot, I am Sir Chris ie the best so let's murder the **** out of Silver on my hunch. My hunches are usually very strong, like bull.
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Hello Silver I think you are being nice and active and reasonable but looking at the sum of your parts I am left questioning you strongly. Come at me, bro.
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Well I was going to wait for someone else to say "lol no silver is beyond out of his wolf range already" but here we are.
Hi Chris, we can dance if you want to. I'm ~pretty sure you're a villager so, what's your concern exactly? That I'm shrug lunching people? That's how I play D1. Most Days until there's a red flip, actually. Try to get town reads on villagers and put the wolves in a box, doesn't matter who the lunch is as long as it isn't one of your villagers.
It's the patented Voxxicus Method of Solving Games Instead Of Players.
I might indulge you in a wall once your specific concerns are raised but I'm not going to argue with you back and forth about what's in my role PM because if I'm a wolf I'm lying anyway. Isn't very persuasive.
I say we lunch Ruma and then you can decide on D2 if you think I bussed him when he flips red, deal?
If not we should compare reads on players instead of arguing, it's a better use of time.
Well it's interesting that you should say that, because I was in a game with Mr. Voxx late last year and his philosophy on players clearly in line to be replaced was different than yours here: he let them be replaced and then assessed from there. Also I understand Voxx has quite the reputation but perhaps in my pride I do admit I always thought that I was just a tiny bit better than him. Call it my general fondness for hubris.
I say this because I suppose you don't know me too well, because town solving is my greatest strength. I sincerely believe I may just be the best in the world at this skill, perhaps when my health allows it these days. My glory days are behind me, I confess that to you.
Here's my problem: you only feel bad about people who haven't posted a lot. Really? I get rubbed the wrong way a lot but your summation is basically "yeah the most idle guy and then the two under performing guys" it feels a bit low hanging fruit. You post thoughts, you contribute, but you've avoided getting dirty. Not only that, but going to be honest of all of the many things to town clear town Chris for my appeal to emotion of "I am going to try hard now, for you Shadow" was some weak reasoning to put me so high up. You know what I think Silver, at this very moment? I think there's a scum board. Daychat unknown, but I think that there is a chat and someone told you just who I am. Like, who I really am. Or maybe you knew enough, not sure of our play history. Scum don't often make the mistake of coming after me day one, lesson mostly been learned there, they make the mistake of trying to be nice to me. I am a miserable creature by nature, Silver. Conflict is in my veins. I lust for blood in my heart. I don't like being pacified.
I feel like you've tried to pacify me. I accept no deal from you. Because let me tell you something about how the game of mafia works. One, every lynch matters. Every single one can bring town closer to losing. There is no such thing as a truly good mislynch. Because there is cost that adds up quickly. Assuming 3/12 we get two of them this game before we are in peril. So no, I will not allow anyone to snatch low hanging fruit just because it is day one.
By the way Silver, here's a piece of advice for you. Don't try to tell one of the best and most decorated town players to ever play mafia what a good use of his time is. You're not in control of this chat of ours, I am.
You just kind of reek as scum. It's beautiful, I don't need logic to know I hit home. You said you were going to wait (it had been less than an hour) for people to clear you and then you double posted. Your show of strength is merely empty bravado, Silver. I see you, sir. I see you so well. Indulge me, you say? Who in the **** do you think you're talking to? I'm the best.
Anyway feeling very confident about this lynch, that response to me was epic amounts of placate + deflection + trying to control the tempo of the day hoho. REejected.
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By the way, a reason why Tom is town and Silver is not:
They are the top two posters of the day.
Tom has conviction, and has gotten traction on his top suspect.
Silver is just posting for the sake of it, and his top suspect has 0 votes.
You almost got away with it Silver, but sadly for you this old body of mine isn't quite quitting yet. God I am so good at mafia. It must disgust you that I don't feel I need a 'gotcha' moment to know you're scum. Tell me how I've caught you for the wrong reasons, dance.
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And actually, no, none of these lunches make me particularly excited (except Ruma because I think he's a wolf). I don't really think of Rhand as low hanging fruit though. Think an iso of me would show that I think Ruma is a wolf and I'm not particularly fired up about lunching anyone else. I am interested in lunching LnGrrr because yeah. Basically I like to use the lunch as a weapon for getting information I wouldn't be able to otherwise. I think if tom or Vaimes or someone in my town reads is a wolf I'll get there on them later. I don't think I'll ever "get there" on LnGrrr or Ruma, so I need their flips in some order to solve the game.
(Of course, obviously, if I'm a wolf, this is just me discussing my village play style, suuuuper easy to fake. Ask me something that gets to the heart of my alignment because this isn't really it.)
Anyway, this is fun, I have stuff to do and a reason to post. Maybe I'll do an iso on Ruma or something, should be short and might help people see what I saw.
Also @tom should actually say why he's asking me about LnGrrr instead of trying to get other people on board, that was a serious question.
Eh, I find I already know you are wolf tbh. I don't need to ask you anything, the method you have employed to combat my vote says plenty already. Now I just have to convince others. Feel free to provide meaningful content though.
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I mean maybe I'll go with "Has the same reason for voting Lng and Ruma, not being able to get there, but instead of pushing the one I think is wolfier I am going with lng in an attempt to cover up my logic breakdown of this."
Yeah you messed up tbh. You can die now.
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As far as Ruma getting replaced goes it isn't obvious that that is happening at all. If there's a mod announcement I missed, fine, but like. You really expect me to let go of my wolf read because he might be getting replaced? If he gets replaced of course I'll reassess, but it's not like the slot is totally empty and based on what Ruma posted I think he's a wolf. I literally said I don't think lunching him is great because it kills our momentum even if I'm right, I just think it's a hit.
Anyway, yeah, you're just wrong, sorry. Some of my posts have been posting just to post, sure, some of them were bait because I was hoping someone would latch on to them (like you just did, to be frank, I literally explained this a page ago).
No, I'm not confident that the wolf team is exactly Rhand/LnGrrr/Ruma, in fact the probability of that is close to zero because I'm not that good at this game, but I'm not entertaining other D1 lunches.
Your wolf read is so strong you don't even vote for it. Save me your fake resolve.
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I'm not even pushing LnGrrr lol. The only player I've really pushed is Ruma and no one else wants him right now, as they've vocalized repeatedly.
You quote the great Voxx but you go with the flow? You don't push? You don't plead? You don't go Chris! WTF, why aren't you voting Ruma I am sure of this my top town read! Help me out!
Weakness zz.
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I voted him when I caught him and no one followed me because they don't agree with the reasoning. Decided to use my vote to pressure other people since Ruma wasn't here to respond to the pressure and no one else wanted to lunch him.
I didn't feel very compelled. You couldn't have tried too hard.
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I mean goodness, you use all of these fancy methods and traps and stuff and you couldn't convince a single person to vote with you?
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Like, really Chris, I respect your town game but you've clearly misremembered some of the events of the game here. Go iso me, and come back and say with a straight face I never campaigned for the Ruma lunch and never voted him because it's just factually incorrect. I shifted to Rhand explicitly because no one would vote Ruma with me. I said those words at the time. They're in the thread with virtually every other thought I've ever had about the game barring specific circumstances like the bait thing and when I was waiting for someone else to talk about Ruma at game start.
Convince me of the evils of Ruma, then. I can barely stand without being dizzy, I am captive. Convince me of this vile, evil Ruma.
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Anyway, to briefly recap the events at the beginning of the game because that's more useful than an iso of 7 posts:
I said the next player to post is a wolf. Usually day start, especially game start, is pretty active and it had been thirty minutes or something without anyone else posting. Was hoping the player was actually a wolf and it would make them stumble, but it was not-stumbling Cantrip, of course.
This isn't quite true. If it's well into the game and it's not obvious that I'm town, I'm always scum.
At this point in the game, I'm actually always town.
I like this,
I like this a lot.
Which is ~probably~ TMI on Cantrip if he's a wolf because he's justifying his lack of a vote even though he just said Cantrip is a wolf.
Like what kind of a villager goes "Hey, I'm going to joke about how Cantrip is always a wolf but not RVS him (or anyone actually)." It feels like he's a wolf who (1) wasn't sure how to enter the thread, and (2) clearly knows Cantrip is a villager and doesn't want to vote him even as a joke.
I make the accusation and vote him, then he comes back and gets weirdly snippy with Shadow for knowing how to read him really well or something.
Which is also something he'd be very self conscious about as a wolf. Like, if he's a villager he's glad shadow can read him, unless he thinks shadow is a wolf which he couldn't have thought yet. That's... also probably not a partner interaction though, so if Ruma's a wolf it's probably like 1 in Rhand/LnGrrr and one in my town reads. Hrm.
And then he falls off a cliff, makes a post saying he's really confused, and then vanishes into the mist.
Theory: When he started talking to shadow, he clearly wasn't fully caught up since he just quoted a shadow post from page 1 then responded to shadow responding to him. When he caught up to my post he lost all motivation to post entirely. I don't think town!Ruma would have reacted to a single vote that way.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
No RVS analysis is going to be a slam dunk, but based on the seven posts he has? Dude is a wolf and I'm honestly surprised there's any push back on this at all. When I step in to town!Ruma's shoes, I cannot make any sense at all of what he has posted. Wolf!Ruma has a guilty mindset that shines cleanly through every one of his posts.
don't worry my obvious town meta will change that read @Silvercrys
now that Riku is gone this slot is going to be an easy mislynch for the wolves anmyore
also hi
#1 town has joined the game
What's the case on my slot being scum? let's hear it
don't worry my obvious town meta will change that read @Silvercrys
now that Riku is gone this slot isnt going to be an easy mislynch for the wolves anmyore
also hi
#1 town has joined the game
What's the case on my slot being scum? let's hear it
No RVS analysis is going to be a slam dunk, but based on the seven posts he has? Dude is a wolf and I'm honestly surprised there's any push back on this at all.
the next question is, are you tunneled wolf, or tunneled town?
I looked at Riku's 7 posts, and they say nothing alignment indicative, and definitely nowhere close to this obvious wolf read you have, so I smell bull*****
I literally just posted it rofl. Like five posts back. It isn't anything you can answer for though so...?
I'm the only one who really wants you dead, for the record. Chris thinks I'm a wolf because I think you're a wolf, but you don't have a wagon.
Wagons are approximately tied between Rhand and LnGrrr at the moment. Should probably just read the thread though it's been slow as molasses and probably won't pick up unless Chris comes back or you start spamming the thread lol.
No RVS analysis is going to be a slam dunk, but based on the seven posts he has? Dude is a wolf and I'm honestly surprised there's any push back on this at all.
the next question is, are you tunneled wolf, or tunneled town?
I looked at Riku's 7 posts, and they say nothing alignment indicative, and definitely nowhere close to this obvious wolf read you have, so I smell bull*****
I mean obviously you're going to say this as either alignment because you have to get out of the lunch if you're a wolf.
Talk to me about something interesting like Shinichi's earlier posts before Vaimes replaced him, or Rhand or LnGrrr since they're the current wagons.
Really? Gonna just drop your vote on me without reading the thread or explaining what about Chris's "case" was compelling to you? Did you even read it or are you just voting me because I want to lunch you?
No RVS analysis is going to be a slam dunk, but based on the seven posts he has? Dude is a wolf and I'm honestly surprised there's any push back on this at all.
the next question is, are you tunneled wolf, or tunneled town?
I looked at Riku's 7 posts, and they say nothing alignment indicative, and definitely nowhere close to this obvious wolf read you have, so I smell bull*****
I mean obviously you're going to say this as either alignment because you have to get out of the lunch if you're a wolf.
Talk to me about something interesting like Shinichi's earlier posts before Vaimes replaced him, or Rhand or LnGrrr since they're the current wagons.
well ya, I will say that, and my own self-bias makes it hard, since I already know I am town, but like im reading my own slot, as its own player, and as someone who has played with Riku, I would never have him as a lock wolf this early into the game, especially off literally nothing, so I think your wolf lean on this slot is bs
what are your other reads?
also let me read the game, thanks
Yeah you can read the game, I'm not expecting a wall or anything right this second dude, you just replaced in. Just letting you know where you stand is all.
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Hello Wisp thank you for seeing the light on Silver. I welcome your obvious towniness.
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Shin's thoughts feel more natural
liked his early questions, doesn't feel like he's playing commentary to the thread this game, and doesn't seem to be manipulative
(seems like he got replaced by vaimes though)
probably at least one wolf in between Grr/Rhand, I think Rhand's early pushes on people feel towny (/barn toms early read on Rhand), Grr feels jumpy with his votes, and a lot of his early posts were fluffy, and just commentary and Grape will come in with, "I don't think that read works early game", and I will still say I have a scum lean on Grr
also since Grr wants to continue the Stuttgart memes, First game he started off with the question and was a wolf, second game Rhand started off with the question and was a wolf, and now its Grr again, a coincidence? I think not
Okay I have a confession I think Grr is Silver's scumbuddy so I dont hate the vote but can we go for the throat today while I am still alive? Please?
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Hello Wisp thank you for seeing the light on Silver. I welcome your obvious towniness.
well thats not really fair, cause that was a micro read, on his Riku read, which I still think is crap, but I wanna see if he holds up on a macro level before I move my vote back to him
Okay I have a confession I think Grr is Silver's scumbuddy so I dont hate the vote but can we go for the throat today while I am still alive? Please?
Possibily, Im not going to allow votes to decide my reads on people, since I've come to realize that most of you have no idea how to distance without bussing, not that its not a viable strategy, since ive seen Lexicat do it very well, and you, while others just kinda buss without a direction
is there a deeper reason as to why you think they are aligned, or is that just an individual read on both of them?
Okay I have a confession I think Grr is Silver's scumbuddy so I dont hate the vote but can we go for the throat today while I am still alive? Please?
Possibily, Im not going to allow votes to decide my reads on people, since I've come to realize that most of you have no idea how to distance without bussing, not that its not a viable strategy, since ive seen Lexicat do it very well, and you, while others just kinda buss without a direction
is there a deeper reason as to why you think they are aligned, or is that just an individual read on both of them?
Just reads on both.
Also I know how to distance without bussing but bussing is fun.
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Okay I have a confession I think Grr is Silver's scumbuddy so I dont hate the vote but can we go for the throat today while I am still alive? Please?
Possibily, Im not going to allow votes to decide my reads on people, since I've come to realize that most of you have no idea how to distance without bussing, not that its not a viable strategy, since ive seen Lexicat do it very well, and you, while others just kinda buss without a direction
is there a deeper reason as to why you think they are aligned, or is that just an individual read on both of them?
Just reads on both.
Also I know how to distance without bussing but bussing is fun.
im not really talking about you, I respect both your wolf and town game
why are you voting WIll at the moment, I have yet to see that post but it has me curious since im seeing your scum lean on Grr, and knowing your thoughts on Silver, as well as you calling out Cantrip for his sheep vote, so I guess its just a simple question, Why is your vote on Will?
Okay I have a confession I think Grr is Silver's scumbuddy so I dont hate the vote but can we go for the throat today while I am still alive? Please?
See the fun thing is I think you're Rhand's buddy. And I think Rhand is very obviously in his scum meta here him making a tunneled push with conviction is basically the definition of his scum meta.
Which Wisp should know having seen Rhand scum recently in One Last Job (yes I know resistance is different, but it's not that different). Even before you sent him on the dummy mission Wisp, Rhand was hard pushing people. Not sure I follow your "1 wolf between LnG/Rhand...here are a bunch of reasons Rhand is townie for pushes" reasoning.
Okay I have a confession I think Grr is Silver's scumbuddy so I dont hate the vote but can we go for the throat today while I am still alive? Please?
Possibily, Im not going to allow votes to decide my reads on people, since I've come to realize that most of you have no idea how to distance without bussing, not that its not a viable strategy, since ive seen Lexicat do it very well, and you, while others just kinda buss without a direction
is there a deeper reason as to why you think they are aligned, or is that just an individual read on both of them?
Just reads on both.
Also I know how to distance without bussing but bussing is fun.
im not really talking about you, I respect both your wolf and town game
why are you voting WIll at the moment, I have yet to see that post but it has me curious since im seeing your scum lean on Grr, and knowing your thoughts on Silver, as well as you calling out Cantrip for his sheep vote, so I guess its just a simple question, Why is your vote on Will?
It is not on Will. Glad to help!
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Okay I have a confession I think Grr is Silver's scumbuddy so I dont hate the vote but can we go for the throat today while I am still alive? Please?
See the fun thing is I think you're Rhand's buddy. And I think Rhand is very obviously in his scum meta here him making a tunneled push with conviction is basically the definition of his scum meta.
Which Wisp should know having seen Rhand scum recently in One Last Job (yes I know resistance is different, but it's not that different). Even before you sent him on the dummy mission Wisp, Rhand was hard pushing people. Not sure I follow your "1 wolf between LnG/Rhand...here are a bunch of reasons Rhand is townie for pushes" reasoning.
I'm not even going to lie I stopped reading Rhand's posts after I unvoted him because I crave adventure and he was a bit boring. I kind of hope you're right and he is scum because that means my initial gutcheck was right and it also means I am on point but just being a bit too adventurous on day one, AND THERE ARE WORSE CRIMES.
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Okay I have a confession I think Grr is Silver's scumbuddy so I dont hate the vote but can we go for the throat today while I am still alive? Please?
See the fun thing is I think you're Rhand's buddy. And I think Rhand is very obviously in his scum meta here him making a tunneled push with conviction is basically the definition of his scum meta.
Which Wisp should know having seen Rhand scum recently in One Last Job (yes I know resistance is different, but it's not that different). Even before you sent him on the dummy mission Wisp, Rhand was hard pushing people. Not sure I follow your "1 wolf between LnG/Rhand...here are a bunch of reasons Rhand is townie for pushes" reasoning.
Does wolf!Chris hard push me like this though? He has to know he doesn't have the votes to actually lunch me, though it would be quite the feather in his cap if he managed it somehow.
You want to build a story? Very well. Let me build a story.
You just feel slimy to me. I don't mean that in a personal way but just how your posts linger with me. You go to Grape and are like "Would wolf Chris REALLY attack me, Towny Silver?" it feels so... not genuine? The way you replied to my vote was moreso bored than anything. The way you say "he doesn't have the votes" the confidence you have that you won't be lynched. It rings to me as a bluff. Like you're TOO confident. Over compensating I suppose the word is for it?
I sense something wrong with you. And when I wake up I'll iso you if I am feelng up to it but... I don't know silver. I just think I see you.
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Hello Silver I think you are being nice and active and reasonable but looking at the sum of your parts I am left questioning you strongly. Come at me, bro.
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Just need to get through tomorrow and I'll be good.
Hi Chris, we can dance if you want to. I'm ~pretty sure you're a villager so, what's your concern exactly? That I'm shrug lunching people? That's how I play D1. Most Days until there's a red flip, actually. Try to get town reads on villagers and put the wolves in a box, doesn't matter who the lunch is as long as it isn't one of your villagers.
I might indulge you in a wall once your specific concerns are raised but I'm not going to argue with you back and forth about what's in my role PM because if I'm a wolf I'm lying anyway. Isn't very persuasive.
I say we lunch Ruma and then you can decide on D2 if you think I bussed him when he flips red, deal?
If not we should compare reads on players instead of arguing, it's a better use of time.
I say this because I suppose you don't know me too well, because town solving is my greatest strength. I sincerely believe I may just be the best in the world at this skill, perhaps when my health allows it these days. My glory days are behind me, I confess that to you.
Here's my problem: you only feel bad about people who haven't posted a lot. Really? I get rubbed the wrong way a lot but your summation is basically "yeah the most idle guy and then the two under performing guys" it feels a bit low hanging fruit. You post thoughts, you contribute, but you've avoided getting dirty. Not only that, but going to be honest of all of the many things to town clear town Chris for my appeal to emotion of "I am going to try hard now, for you Shadow" was some weak reasoning to put me so high up. You know what I think Silver, at this very moment? I think there's a scum board. Daychat unknown, but I think that there is a chat and someone told you just who I am. Like, who I really am. Or maybe you knew enough, not sure of our play history. Scum don't often make the mistake of coming after me day one, lesson mostly been learned there, they make the mistake of trying to be nice to me. I am a miserable creature by nature, Silver. Conflict is in my veins. I lust for blood in my heart. I don't like being pacified.
I feel like you've tried to pacify me. I accept no deal from you. Because let me tell you something about how the game of mafia works. One, every lynch matters. Every single one can bring town closer to losing. There is no such thing as a truly good mislynch. Because there is cost that adds up quickly. Assuming 3/12 we get two of them this game before we are in peril. So no, I will not allow anyone to snatch low hanging fruit just because it is day one.
By the way Silver, here's a piece of advice for you. Don't try to tell one of the best and most decorated town players to ever play mafia what a good use of his time is. You're not in control of this chat of ours, I am.
You just kind of reek as scum. It's beautiful, I don't need logic to know I hit home. You said you were going to wait (it had been less than an hour) for people to clear you and then you double posted. Your show of strength is merely empty bravado, Silver. I see you, sir. I see you so well. Indulge me, you say? Who in the **** do you think you're talking to? I'm the best.
Anyway feeling very confident about this lynch, that response to me was epic amounts of placate + deflection + trying to control the tempo of the day hoho. REejected.
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They are the top two posters of the day.
Tom has conviction, and has gotten traction on his top suspect.
Silver is just posting for the sake of it, and his top suspect has 0 votes.
You almost got away with it Silver, but sadly for you this old body of mine isn't quite quitting yet. God I am so good at mafia. It must disgust you that I don't feel I need a 'gotcha' moment to know you're scum. Tell me how I've caught you for the wrong reasons, dance.
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(Of course, obviously, if I'm a wolf, this is just me discussing my village play style, suuuuper easy to fake. Ask me something that gets to the heart of my alignment because this isn't really it.)
Anyway, this is fun, I have stuff to do and a reason to post. Maybe I'll do an iso on Ruma or something, should be short and might help people see what I saw.
Also @tom should actually say why he's asking me about LnGrrr instead of trying to get other people on board, that was a serious question.
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Yeah you messed up tbh. You can die now.
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Anyway, yeah, you're just wrong, sorry. Some of my posts have been posting just to post, sure, some of them were bait because I was hoping someone would latch on to them (like you just did, to be frank, I literally explained this a page ago).
No, I'm not confident that the wolf team is exactly Rhand/LnGrrr/Ruma, in fact the probability of that is close to zero because I'm not that good at this game, but I'm not entertaining other D1 lunches.
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You quote the great Voxx but you go with the flow? You don't push? You don't plead? You don't go Chris! WTF, why aren't you voting Ruma I am sure of this my top town read! Help me out!
Weakness zz.
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It's one of my greatest flaws, along with not following my own advice and getting sucked in to arguing with you about what my role PM says.
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I said the next player to post is a wolf. Usually day start, especially game start, is pretty active and it had been thirty minutes or something without anyone else posting. Was hoping the player was actually a wolf and it would make them stumble, but it was not-stumbling Cantrip, of course.
Ruma posts... this:
Not even a joke vote to go with his clear joke. I checked his last several games, his first post has literally always contained a vote. It's ~weird~.
Then this happens:
Which is ~probably~ TMI on Cantrip if he's a wolf because he's justifying his lack of a vote even though he just said Cantrip is a wolf.
Like what kind of a villager goes "Hey, I'm going to joke about how Cantrip is always a wolf but not RVS him (or anyone actually)." It feels like he's a wolf who (1) wasn't sure how to enter the thread, and (2) clearly knows Cantrip is a villager and doesn't want to vote him even as a joke.
I make the accusation and vote him, then he comes back and gets weirdly snippy with Shadow for knowing how to read him really well or something.
Which is also something he'd be very self conscious about as a wolf. Like, if he's a villager he's glad shadow can read him, unless he thinks shadow is a wolf which he couldn't have thought yet. That's... also probably not a partner interaction though, so if Ruma's a wolf it's probably like 1 in Rhand/LnGrrr and one in my town reads. Hrm.
And then he falls off a cliff, makes a post saying he's really confused, and then vanishes into the mist.
Theory: When he started talking to shadow, he clearly wasn't fully caught up since he just quoted a shadow post from page 1 then responded to shadow responding to him. When he caught up to my post he lost all motivation to post entirely. I don't think town!Ruma would have reacted to a single vote that way.
now that Riku is gone this slot is going to be an easy mislynch for the wolves anmyore
also hi
#1 town has joined the game
What's the case on my slot being scum? let's hear it
the next question is, are you tunneled wolf, or tunneled town?
I looked at Riku's 7 posts, and they say nothing alignment indicative, and definitely nowhere close to this obvious wolf read you have, so I smell bull*****
I'm the only one who really wants you dead, for the record. Chris thinks I'm a wolf because I think you're a wolf, but you don't have a wagon.
Wagons are approximately tied between Rhand and LnGrrr at the moment. Should probably just read the thread though it's been slow as molasses and probably won't pick up unless Chris comes back or you start spamming the thread lol.
going to read the game
keep in mind that vote was just from stuff I read on this page, I know nothing else of this game
poor taste even though I just joined in but @Mod, semi-vla until next Saturday, as starting tomorrow I work till midnight every day
cries
will post my thoughts after I reread, and sorry for the spam
Talk to me about something interesting like Shinichi's earlier posts before Vaimes replaced him, or Rhand or LnGrrr since they're the current wagons.
vote: Lastwhisper
well ya, I will say that, and my own self-bias makes it hard, since I already know I am town, but like im reading my own slot, as its own player, and as someone who has played with Riku, I would never have him as a lock wolf this early into the game, especially off literally nothing, so I think your wolf lean on this slot is bs
what are your other reads?
also let me read the game, thanks
Silvercrys
Chris
Vaimes / Will / Tubba / tom
Grape / Cantrip / shadow
Rhand
LnGrrr
Whisper
vote: LnGrrr
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liked his early questions, doesn't feel like he's playing commentary to the thread this game, and doesn't seem to be manipulative
(seems like he got replaced by vaimes though)
probably at least one wolf in between Grr/Rhand, I think Rhand's early pushes on people feel towny (/barn toms early read on Rhand), Grr feels jumpy with his votes, and a lot of his early posts were fluffy, and just commentary and Grape will come in with, "I don't think that read works early game", and I will still say I have a scum lean on Grr
also since Grr wants to continue the Stuttgart memes, First game he started off with the question and was a wolf, second game Rhand started off with the question and was a wolf, and now its Grr again, a coincidence? I think not
vote: Grr
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also Hi
is there a deeper reason as to why you think they are aligned, or is that just an individual read on both of them?
I will say that, Rhand and Shadow would definitely make that mindmeld play
either both town or both wolves, I bet
Just reads on both.
Also I know how to distance without bussing but bussing is fun.
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Tell me a story Chris. I'm a sucker for narratives. What am I doing with my partner LnGrrr and how does it achieve my wincon?
Also no comment on my Ruma case? Come out of your tunnel Chris. Engage with my reads with an open mind.
why are you voting WIll at the moment, I have yet to see that post but it has me curious since im seeing your scum lean on Grr, and knowing your thoughts on Silver, as well as you calling out Cantrip for his sheep vote, so I guess its just a simple question, Why is your vote on Will?
See the fun thing is I think you're Rhand's buddy. And I think Rhand is very obviously in his scum meta here him making a tunneled push with conviction is basically the definition of his scum meta.
Which Wisp should know having seen Rhand scum recently in One Last Job (yes I know resistance is different, but it's not that different). Even before you sent him on the dummy mission Wisp, Rhand was hard pushing people. Not sure I follow your "1 wolf between LnG/Rhand...here are a bunch of reasons Rhand is townie for pushes" reasoning.
It is not on Will. Glad to help!
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I'm not even going to lie I stopped reading Rhand's posts after I unvoted him because I crave adventure and he was a bit boring. I kind of hope you're right and he is scum because that means my initial gutcheck was right and it also means I am on point but just being a bit too adventurous on day one, AND THERE ARE WORSE CRIMES.
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You just feel slimy to me. I don't mean that in a personal way but just how your posts linger with me. You go to Grape and are like "Would wolf Chris REALLY attack me, Towny Silver?" it feels so... not genuine? The way you replied to my vote was moreso bored than anything. The way you say "he doesn't have the votes" the confidence you have that you won't be lynched. It rings to me as a bluff. Like you're TOO confident. Over compensating I suppose the word is for it?
I sense something wrong with you. And when I wake up I'll iso you if I am feelng up to it but... I don't know silver. I just think I see you.
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If you're a wolf, you know you don't have the votes to lunch me, so why would you try to drum up paranoia and force it through on D1?
It doesn't really make sense, so I think you're town. Grape is saying he thinks you're a wolf and I'm trying to get at why he thinks that.