KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well if chris is game ending mislynch here thats 3 wincons met so
Yeah, but I totally find myself feeling like alt wincons are nice, but I'm still not going to feel like I can count the game as a 'victory' if scum win, especially if it's a perfect scum win.
If Chris is town, I'll obviously wolfside tonight so game ends and we both win.
There are obviously Starks on the wolf team - shoot whichever of LnG/Rhand is a villager tonight. At least one of them is, if Chris is a wolf here. That'll get Starks their alt win condition, at least. Do not shoot Vaimes, he's mine because he's super obviously town, and this keeps you guys from having to out yourselves to give me a target.
If Chris is a wolf uh.
Ignore this post, as I'm going back to being a good townsiding doggo and my reads are right that I posted in thread, and town is gonna win pretty handily from here.
If Chris is town, I'll obviously wolfside tonight so game ends and we both win.
There are obviously Starks on the wolf team - shoot whichever of LnG/Rhand is a villager tonight. At least one of them is, if Chris is a wolf here. That'll get Starks their alt win condition, at least. Do not shoot Vaimes, he's mine because he's super obviously town, and this keeps you guys from having to out yourselves to give me a target.
If Chris is a wolf uh.
Ignore this post, as I'm going back to being a good townsiding doggo and my reads are right that I posted in thread, and town is gonna win pretty handily from here.
Just covering my bases, no hard feelings.
Isn't this a contradiction since this whole paragraph is talking about town Chris world?
The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace. They never are.
Despite his flaws, the man before you did what he did for good purpose. In his life, he sold men into slavery, spied on the woman he loved, and shamed his house. And yet, he also risked his life time and time over for the sake of those he put his faith into.
But today, in a trial by combat, he cannot stand firm any longer. He utters not a word as he falls, but as you watch him bleed out, you wonder, was his death worth it?
Sir Chris has died! He was:
Player: Sir Chris
Character: Jorah Mormont
Faction: Targaryen
Alignment: Mafia
Abilities: A Knight of Westeros (Two shot, Passive) - The first two times you would die (except by lynch), you will survive. Loyal Guardian (Active) - If a player would be killed tonight, you will take their place instead.
Factional Win Conditions: Birthright - [redacted until end game]
-or- Fire and Blood - [redacted until end game]
You left Westeros to escape the penalty of of your crimes, selling men into slavery. You fell from honor, lost your right to your titles and home, and found yourself on the other side of the world, wondering how to get it all back. That's how you found yourself serving as a spy on Daenerys Targaryen and her brother, hoping to claim a pardon for your crimes and being able to return home.
What you did not expect was to become a true believer. Daenerys was more than you could have hoped for in any ruler, and indeed, someone you had come to love. Even though you knew in your heart that your love could never be returned, not how you wanted, you still knew that you were willing to die in service and protection to your queen.
It is now night 3, you have 24 hours to submit actions.
I always wanted to be a wizard.When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Turn us away and we will burn you first.
Another day dawns, even after the death of someone with evil in his heart, your trepidation did not subside.
Today death shows that neither the highest among you, nor the most humble and cowardly are free from its grasp.
Cantripmancer has died! He was:
Player: Cantripmancer
Character: Samwell Tarly
Faction: Nights Watch
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Send Ravens (Day use, Active) - Each day you may send an identical message to any number of players via the mod (Do not message other user's directly). I read it in a book (Single Shot, Active) - Once during the game, you may choose and protect a player from death tonight.
Factional Win Conditions: Take no sides - [redacted until end game]
-or- I shall wear no crowns - [redacted until end game]
You are, much to your shame, a coward. But your time in the Noghts Watch has slowly and slightly begun to harden your resolve. You’ve taken risks and done things that you would never have considered before.
And you’ve honed your skills as reader, studying every book you can get your hands on. And as steward to Maester Aemon, you’ve managed the raven flock, an important job, and one that you find yourself truly capable of.
Still, you wish you were brave, you wish you didn’t need protecting, but you still finds some honor in the most unexpected places.
Hunger has died! He was:
Player: Hunger
Character: Daenerys Targaryen
Faction: Targaryen
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Khaleesi (Active) - While you control the Iron Throne, you learn and have this ability. Passive: You may support your own claim to the throne.
[Khaleesi unlocked: Each night that you control the Iron Throne, you may Target a player and find out their alignment (not faction).]
Factional Win Conditions: Birthright - [redacted until end game]
-or- Fire and Blood - [redacted until end game]
Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Protector of the Realm, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons. You are destined to be queen, you were made for it and nothing will stand in your way.
You will rule justly and firmly; you will break the wheel that turns the fate of Westeros and ensure that no one and nothing can stand against you and the peace you will bring to the Realm.
It is now Day 4. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends June 13th, 1700 MST.
No new info on D1 lynch. In d2, Hunger and Cantrip are both town. Leaving... Rhand, KJ, Tom, Winds, X=Y, in that order of scumminess. Shin is a possibility too, but I find it hard to read him. Maybe GJ? Have to reread Chris now with these two flips.
@Tom, please explain the thought process whereby I go from high town to PoE pile.
@Winds, explain why you shot who you shot.
I have this feeling that someone had a shot that enables night chat, and one of the scum hit Winds with it. Him hitting two town in a row is... pretty impressive odds, given scum is near equal with town, and especially considering Rhand was scummier than Hunger or Cantrip yesterday.
No new info on D1 lynch. In d2, Hunger and Cantrip are both town. Leaving... Rhand, KJ, Tom, Winds, X=Y, in that order of scumminess. Shin is a possibility too, but I find it hard to read him. Maybe GJ? Have to reread Chris now with these two flips.
@Tom, please explain the thought process whereby I go from high town to PoE pile.
@Winds, explain why you shot who you shot.
I have this feeling that someone had a shot that enables night chat, and one of the scum hit Winds with it. Him hitting two town in a row is... pretty impressive odds, given scum is near equal with town, and especially considering Rhand was scummier than Hunger or Cantrip yesterday.
@GJ, who did you target?
Maybe full claim day?
hunger wouldnt have known about being cop.
Flip does some things for my shin read though
I had you as town because of wincons thing in RVS and left you there forever. Putting you back in poe feels right.
Need shinichi results then start reading, but aorn think there has to be 1 scum in people i think are town
Gj is some kind of doc
He is Maester Aemon (Targaryen)
Each night he can protect a player, if they were to die they would survive but also be roleblocked. If GJ dies during the night the person he is protecting is roleblocked and not protected that night.
That feels probably not scum with chris role if shin is truthing?
Anyway with RE+hunger flips shin is probably just scum...
(Which would make kj town, separate from faction gaming they have not felt aligned in stark chat. Sorry kj)
I dont understand how scumshin rolecops winds n1 and just lets him kill people but it is working out so far so...
N1 kill makes more sense with shin *ahem* fear killing last and chris/whoever just going "sure he posted 400 times"
Think its still just rhand too. But yeah, reread time
With Hunger's flip, I'm pretty sure KJ and Shin are scum. My stronger town reads in the pile are LnG and GJ (GJ's role probably isn't scum with Chris). Which means by PoE it's Rhand/tom for 5 scum total.
Only thing that makes me uncertain about GJ/tom is:
1) Why would scum!Shin truthfully tell us all about town!GJ being a jailer???
2) Doesn't feel like there should be 3 scum in Starks, so tom probably isn't one since he's probably the towniest out of the starks
@Vaimes - can you sanity check the above for me? @LnG - thoughts? Is it KJ/Shin/Rhand/GJ instead and Shin is lying to town-firm GJ?
Player: RE1031
Character: Gendry
Faction: Baratheon
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Blacksmith (Active) - Each night you may forge and give an item to another player. Your items include: one shot RoleCop, one shot Tracker, one shot Watcher. You cannot create more that two of any item throughout the course of the game, and each item will be usable alongside other abilities as long as it has the same target as the user's ability target.
Player: Hunger
Character: Daenerys Targaryen
Faction: Targaryen
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Khaleesi (Active) - While you control the Iron Throne, you learn and have this ability. Passive: You may support your own claim to the throne.
[Khaleesi unlocked: Each night that you control the Iron Throne, you may Target a player and find out their alignment (not faction).]
I see no reason for a rolecop to be town in this setup
Hope thats not a trap i guess but
Occams razor imo
The Dragon, XequalsY, roared a third time. Hungry for blood again, he came upon the unsuspecting Killjoy. As the flames built in his mouth, Killjoy took cover, and the dragon amused itself in the power it held over the tiny mortal beasts. He soared away, to hunt perhaps another day.
Player: RE1031
Character: Gendry
Faction: Baratheon
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Blacksmith (Active) - Each night you may forge and give an item to another player. Your items include: one shot RoleCop, one shot Tracker, one shot Watcher. You cannot create more that two of any item throughout the course of the game, and each item will be usable alongside other abilities as long as it has the same target as the user's ability target.
Player: Hunger
Character: Daenerys Targaryen
Faction: Targaryen
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Khaleesi (Active) - While you control the Iron Throne, you learn and have this ability. Passive: You may support your own claim to the throne.
[Khaleesi unlocked: Each night that you control the Iron Throne, you may Target a player and find out their alignment (not faction).]
I see no reason for a rolecop to be town in this setup
Hope thats not a trap i guess but
Occams razor imo
His ability was hidden might isn't prob why both were in the same faction. I am most def town thats for sure.
I see no world I'm not lynching Rhand today tbh. Wanted to shoot him last night but decided him and Hunger were probably both wolves, so would leave him to get Starks a win.
Probably bholstering rest of game if it's a hit, though would be nice if wolves stopped killing northmen.
Player: RE1031
Character: Gendry
Faction: Baratheon
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Blacksmith (Active) - Each night you may forge and give an item to another player. Your items include: one shot RoleCop, one shot Tracker, one shot Watcher. You cannot create more that two of any item throughout the course of the game, and each item will be usable alongside other abilities as long as it has the same target as the user's ability target.
Player: Hunger
Character: Daenerys Targaryen
Faction: Targaryen
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Khaleesi (Active) - While you control the Iron Throne, you learn and have this ability. Passive: You may support your own claim to the throne.
[Khaleesi unlocked: Each night that you control the Iron Throne, you may Target a player and find out their alignment (not faction).]
I see no reason for a rolecop to be town in this setup
Hope thats not a trap i guess but
Occams razor imo
His ability was hidden might isn't prob why both were in the same faction. I am most def town thats for sure.
Who are the other two wolves if you and LnG are town? I don't really see how that's even possible at this stage
To be clear, Vaimes is never, ever w/w with Sir Chris this game. That is not a thing that exists. He is the clearest of clears and we are not lynching him.
Tom also is displaying more organic solving process than I've seen from him in a long time and is overwhelmingly likely to be town.
I do understand you don't exactly have any avenues to take here that aren't 'push against the clears', but continuing to try for Vaimes probably wasn't the way to go imo.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Can we finally lynch Vaimes’ scummy ass toDay? I want my wincon and for some reason you all keep putting him on the throne
Hunger was obviously town. I think thousand is siding with scum.
Getting wary of tom. I’m going to read his iso tomorrow. Now it’s bed time.
Also, I was at the Wall today. Great fun
lol
Vote: Rhand
Team gets PoE'd out, immediately tries to pry the box open in a blatant fashion. Phoning it in a bit, but understandable enough.
Think hard and deep about this. We can easily destroy your chances of winning this game. And if you don’t side with us toDay, we trust you never will and we will take away your win by killing you.
If you do side with us toDay, you win.
So unvote and follow my lead in voting and win with us, or keep your vote on me and die.
Cantrip, you clown, I thought YOU were x=y when I saw the bolded Dracarivote.
inb4 TW shoots me and gets away with it
RIP.
But...why not wait for Shadow's response/vote count to confirm nothing happened?
-Jorah Mormont
Sir Chris (7): Thousand_Winds, LnGrrrR, Shinichi, XequalsY, Killjoy, Vaimes, Vaimes*
Thousand_Winds (0):
Not Voting (6): Hunger, Cantripmancer, Gentleman Johnny, tomsloger, Rhand, Sir Chris
That’s a Lynch. Scene will be up in a bit.
Totally balanced by bulletproof Chris, doctor Johnny, and bulletproof/killblock/killer reveal Cantrip.
I guess he could still be a wolf, but a lot of things just feel...weird for him to flip red.
@Wolves
If Chris is town, I'll obviously wolfside tonight so game ends and we both win.
There are obviously Starks on the wolf team - shoot whichever of LnG/Rhand is a villager tonight. At least one of them is, if Chris is a wolf here. That'll get Starks their alt win condition, at least. Do not shoot Vaimes, he's mine because he's super obviously town, and this keeps you guys from having to out yourselves to give me a target.
If Chris is a wolf uh.
Ignore this post, as I'm going back to being a good townsiding doggo and my reads are right that I posted in thread, and town is gonna win pretty handily from here.
Just covering my bases, no hard feelings.
The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace. They never are.
Despite his flaws, the man before you did what he did for good purpose. In his life, he sold men into slavery, spied on the woman he loved, and shamed his house. And yet, he also risked his life time and time over for the sake of those he put his faith into.
But today, in a trial by combat, he cannot stand firm any longer. He utters not a word as he falls, but as you watch him bleed out, you wonder, was his death worth it?
Sir Chris has died! He was:
Character: Jorah Mormont
Faction: Targaryen
Alignment: Mafia
Abilities: A Knight of Westeros (Two shot, Passive) - The first two times you would die (except by lynch), you will survive.
Loyal Guardian (Active) - If a player would be killed tonight, you will take their place instead.
Factional Win Conditions:
Birthright - [redacted until end game]
-or-
Fire and Blood - [redacted until end game]
You left Westeros to escape the penalty of of your crimes, selling men into slavery. You fell from honor, lost your right to your titles and home, and found yourself on the other side of the world, wondering how to get it all back. That's how you found yourself serving as a spy on Daenerys Targaryen and her brother, hoping to claim a pardon for your crimes and being able to return home.
What you did not expect was to become a true believer. Daenerys was more than you could have hoped for in any ruler, and indeed, someone you had come to love. Even though you knew in your heart that your love could never be returned, not how you wanted, you still knew that you were willing to die in service and protection to your queen.
I always wanted to be a wizard. When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Turn us away and we will burn you first.
Another day dawns, even after the death of someone with evil in his heart, your trepidation did not subside.
Today death shows that neither the highest among you, nor the most humble and cowardly are free from its grasp.
Cantripmancer has died! He was:
Character: Samwell Tarly
Faction: Nights Watch
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Send Ravens (Day use, Active) - Each day you may send an identical message to any number of players via the mod (Do not message other user's directly).
I read it in a book (Single Shot, Active) - Once during the game, you may choose and protect a player from death tonight.
Factional Win Conditions:
Take no sides - [redacted until end game]
-or-
I shall wear no crowns - [redacted until end game]
You are, much to your shame, a coward. But your time in the Noghts Watch has slowly and slightly begun to harden your resolve. You’ve taken risks and done things that you would never have considered before.
And you’ve honed your skills as reader, studying every book you can get your hands on. And as steward to Maester Aemon, you’ve managed the raven flock, an important job, and one that you find yourself truly capable of.
Still, you wish you were brave, you wish you didn’t need protecting, but you still finds some honor in the most unexpected places.
Character: Daenerys Targaryen
Faction: Targaryen
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Khaleesi (Active) - While you control the Iron Throne, you learn and have this ability.
Passive: You may support your own claim to the throne.
[Khaleesi unlocked: Each night that you control the Iron Throne, you may Target a player and find out their alignment (not faction).]
Factional Win Conditions:
Birthright - [redacted until end game]
-or-
Fire and Blood - [redacted until end game]
Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Protector of the Realm, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons. You are destined to be queen, you were made for it and nothing will stand in your way.
You will rule justly and firmly; you will break the wheel that turns the fate of Westeros and ensure that no one and nothing can stand against you and the peace you will bring to the Realm.
It is now Day 4. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends June 13th, 1700 MST.
_____________________
DAY 1 LYNCH on GRAPEFRUIT
Grapefruit21 (9): LnGrrrR, 1053nm, Shinichi, Lastwhisper, Vaimes, D_V, KamikazeArchon, Highroller, RE, KillJoy
Rhand (2): Killjoy, tomsloger
Lastwhisper (2): Rodemy, Tubba Fett
Shinichi (2): Sir Chris, Cantripmancer
Highroller (2): Gentleman Johnny, Rhand
KamikazeArchon (1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting (1): Hunger
--------------------------------
DAY 2 LYNCH OF KAMI
KamikazeArchon (8): Hunger, LnGrrrR, Thousand_Winds, Cantripmancer, XequalsY, Rhand, tomsloger, Killjoy
XequalsY (5): Sir Chris, Shinichi, RE1031, KamikazeArchon, Tubba Fett
Vaimes (1): Gentleman Johnny
Not Voting (1): Vaimes
___________________
No new info on D1 lynch. In d2, Hunger and Cantrip are both town. Leaving... Rhand, KJ, Tom, Winds, X=Y, in that order of scumminess. Shin is a possibility too, but I find it hard to read him. Maybe GJ? Have to reread Chris now with these two flips.
@Tom, please explain the thought process whereby I go from high town to PoE pile.
@Winds, explain why you shot who you shot.
I have this feeling that someone had a shot that enables night chat, and one of the scum hit Winds with it. Him hitting two town in a row is... pretty impressive odds, given scum is near equal with town, and especially considering Rhand was scummier than Hunger or Cantrip yesterday.
@GJ, who did you target?
Maybe full claim day?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Flip does some things for my shin read though
I had you as town because of wincons thing in RVS and left you there forever. Putting you back in poe feels right.
>???
>survive the Night
>profit
Gj is some kind of doc
He is Maester Aemon (Targaryen)
Each night he can protect a player, if they were to die they would survive but also be roleblocked. If GJ dies during the night the person he is protecting is roleblocked and not protected that night.
Anyway with RE+hunger flips shin is probably just scum...
(Which would make kj town, separate from faction gaming they have not felt aligned in stark chat. Sorry kj)
I dont understand how scumshin rolecops winds n1 and just lets him kill people but it is working out so far so...
N1 kill makes more sense with shin *ahem* fear killing last and chris/whoever just going "sure he posted 400 times"
Think its still just rhand too. But yeah, reread time
Tom - jon snow
Last - arya, ascetic
Shin - bran, Rolecop
Kj - robb, ~throne unlock ?~
Lannisters:
kami - cersei, ~throne unlock vig~
tubba - tywin, kingmaker
Vaimes - jaime
Lngrr - tyrion, gladiatorish
Frey:
Rhand - walder
Targaryen:
X=y - dragon, Dayvig
Chris - jorah, bp/bg
Hunger - ~throne unlock cop~
Baratheon:
RE - gendry, inventor
1053 - stannis, ~throne unlock lightning rod~
HR - renley, ~throne unlock doctor~
Factionless:
grape - varys, gained my wincons
Winds - ghost, ~SK
Nights watch:
Cantrip - samwell, crier+doc
Gj - aemon, ~jk
2. Vaimes
5. Shinichi
6. Rhand
10. LnGrrrR
11. Gentleman Johnny
17. Killjoy
18. Thousand_Winds
19. tomsloger
Vaimes is probably my most certain town read. Winds is TPR (3 shot extra scum NK is ???).
5. Shinichi
6. Rhand
10. LnGrrrR
11. Gentleman Johnny
17. Killjoy
19. tomsloger
So 4 out of these 6 are remaining scum.
With Hunger's flip, I'm pretty sure KJ and Shin are scum. My stronger town reads in the pile are LnG and GJ (GJ's role probably isn't scum with Chris). Which means by PoE it's Rhand/tom for 5 scum total.
Only thing that makes me uncertain about GJ/tom is:
1) Why would scum!Shin truthfully tell us all about town!GJ being a jailer???
2) Doesn't feel like there should be 3 scum in Starks, so tom probably isn't one since he's probably the towniest out of the starks
@Vaimes - can you sanity check the above for me? @LnG - thoughts? Is it KJ/Shin/Rhand/GJ instead and Shin is lying to town-firm GJ?
I see no reason for a rolecop to be town in this setup
Hope thats not a trap i guess but
Occams razor imo
I would have proven it if someone didn't hammer yesterday
But sure, I'll do it again.
Dracaris: Killjoy
Nothing Happens
Thought you said you were out of shots -.-
Vaimes, Tom, x=y, GJ all town.
Rhand, Shin, KJ, LnG remaining?
What does not getting a lylo message mean for numbers? Hm
Its def rhand for sure and there is 0 way it can be LNG not sure how u can think that.
His ability was hidden might isn't prob why both were in the same faction. I am most def town thats for sure.
Probably bholstering rest of game if it's a hit, though would be nice if wolves stopped killing northmen.
Who are the other two wolves if you and LnG are town? I don't really see how that's even possible at this stage
Hunger was obviously town. I think thousand is siding with scum.
Getting wary of tom. I’m going to read his iso tomorrow. Now it’s bed time.
Also, I was at the Wall today. Great fun
lol
Vote: Rhand
Team gets PoE'd out, immediately tries to pry the box open in a blatant fashion. Phoning it in a bit, but understandable enough.
Tom also is displaying more organic solving process than I've seen from him in a long time and is overwhelmingly likely to be town.
I do understand you don't exactly have any avenues to take here that aren't 'push against the clears', but continuing to try for Vaimes probably wasn't the way to go imo.
Vote Rhand. I think Chris pushing Vaimes makes Caine's now likely y town. If Rhand scum, Vaimes lock.
Lngrrr is already lock town.
Think hard and deep about this. We can easily destroy your chances of winning this game. And if you don’t side with us toDay, we trust you never will and we will take away your win by killing you.
If you do side with us toDay, you win.
So unvote and follow my lead in voting and win with us, or keep your vote on me and die.