KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
”I’m not, really. Not anymore. I remember what it felt like to be Brandon Stark, but I remember so much else now.”
The bitter Winds of Winter blow over the field of snow. Yet...before your eyes, the snow melts away, and the field begins to turn green. You blink again and find snow before you. Another blink and you even feel warmth in the air as you see the bloom of flowers. Is this real? Or just a Dream of Spring?
Shinichi has died! He was:
Player: Shinichi
Character: Bran Stark
Faction: Stark
Alignment: Mafia
Abilities: Third Eye (Active) - You choose a player each night, you will find out who they are and any abilities they may have.
Factional Win Conditions: Winter is Coming - [redacted until end game]
-or- The North Remebers - [redacted until end game]
"The things I do for love." The last words you heard before your life changed forever.
You're told you fell from the walls at Winterfell, you were a skilled climber, but everyone makes mistakes right? You woke up to find both of your parents gone, off to Kings Landing, and eventually war. You never saw them again, not at least with the eyes you were born with.
With the help of Jojen and Meera Reed, you traverse the northern expanse beyond the wall, and find the Three Eyed Raven, a man who knows all that is, that was, and that will be. A man who helps you become what you are destined to be; him. You are no longer Bran Stark, but you are the Three Eyed Raven, and you see everything now, even the parents you once knew.
Tomsloger survived! He was:
Player: Tomsloger
Character: Jon Snow
Faction: Stark and Nights Watch
Alignment: Town
Abilities: You have no known abilities.
[Mod Note: The first time Jon Snow dies, he will flip like normal, and is then resurrected at the start of the following day.]
Factional Win Conditions:
Stark: Winter is Coming - [redacted until end game]
-or- The North Remembers - [redacted until end game]
Nights Watch: Take no sides - [redacted until end game]
-or- I shall wear no crowns - [redacted until end game]
As an illegitimate son, you always knew your place. You were humble, yet painfully aware of what others saw in you, yet you loved your family, even if not all of them loved you back.
What you sought was to bring honor to your father, and to do that from your station, you joined the Nights Watch, where your birthright and titles didn't matter. Where a murderer and a thief were on equal footing to a great lord or even a would be king. You quickly took up the mantle and reputation of being above reproach, and eventually you even attained the position of Lord Commander, your father would have been proud if he had lived. Much as the watch was your brotherhood now, you never stopped feeling allegiance to the family you grew up in.
Killjoy has survived! He was:
Player: KillJoy
Character: Robb Stark
Faction: Stark
Alignment: Town
Abilities: King in the North (Active) - While you control the Iron Throne, you learn and have this ability. You may support your own claim to the throne.
[King in the north Unlocked: Each night that you control the Iron Throne you may target two players. They will be jailed (protected from death, and all actions they attempt will be blocked).]
Factional Win Conditions: Winter is Coming - [redacted until end game]
-or- The North Remembers - [redacted until end game]
You never wanted this, but nevertheless, you were a natural at it. Your father's death meant that this wasn't a war you could just abandon, it wasn't about land or power or control, it was about justice. And you aimed to be just. You were crowned King in the North by your people, and you would be their king. You certainly took your enemies by surprise, making fools of them, both for under estimating you, and for believing that you could not do that which you had done.
And the best things were personal, you found love, a queen to share your bed and to stand by you in your triumph and help lift you up from your failures. You will be the hero, the man to avenge your father.
”All men must die, Jon Snow. But first we’ll live.”
Town vs Mafia:
Town has won! Defeating the scum team of Sir Chris, Vaimes, XequalsY, Shinichi, and Rhand.
~~~~~ The Lannisters (KamikazeArchon, Vaimes, Tubba Fett):
A Lannister always pays his debts - Participate in more lynches than any other faction.
-or- Hear my Roar - Have at least two members of House Lannister control the Iron Throne during the game, or one member control it for three total days.
The Lannisters have won by achieving Hear my Roar.
~~~~~ The Targaryens (Hunger, LnGrrrR, Sir Chris, XequalsY):
Birthright - Control the Iron Throne more than any other faction.
-or- Fire and Blood - Eliminate two or more Baratheon players (at least 50% of your living faction must be on their wagon if they are lynched, or have personally targeted them with a killing ability.
The Targaryens have won by achieving Fire and Blood.
~~~~~ The Starks (Killjoy, Lastwhisper, Shinichi, Tomsloger [Grapefruit21]):
Winter is Coming - Have two members survive to Endgame
-or- The North Remebers - Eliminate at least two Lannister or Frey players (At least 50% of your living faction must be on their wagon if they are lynched, or have personally targeted them with a killing ability).
The Starks have won by achieving Winter is Coming and The North Remembers.
~~~~~ The Baratheons (1053nm, RE1031, Highroller):
Brother's United - Have either Stannis (1053nm) or Renly (Highroller) control the Iron Throne while the other still lives.
-or- Ours is the Fury - Eliminate at least two Targaryen players (At least 50% of your living faction must be on the lynch wagon, or personally target them with a killing ability).
The Baratheons have not achieved a win condition.
~~~~~ The Night’s Watch (Tomsloger, Cantripmancer, Gentleman Johnny, [Grapefruit21]):
Take no sides - Participate in the least lynches as a faction.
-or- I shall wear no crowns - Have no member ever control the Iron Throne.
The Nights Watch have won by achieving Take no Sides and I shall wear no crowns
~~~~~ House Frey (Rhand):
Guest Right - Participate in the lynch of the player who controls the Iron Throne.
-or- Outlive - Survive longer than at least Three different players who control, or have controlled the Iron Throne.
House Frey has not achieved a win condition.
~~~~~ The North (Thousand_Winds):
The Pack Survives - Eliminate all non-Stark or non-Nights Watch players. If you do, you win and leave the game.
-or- Lone Wolf - If all Stark and Nights Watch players die, eliminate all other players.
The North has won by achieving The Pack Survives.
Congratulations to all of the successful wins! Special mention goes to Rhand who was the sole player to not achieve any win condition.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Weeee I’m the only one who lost
And there I was thinking I was being smart when I tried to get Voxx to side with us.
By the way, scum didn’t roll over and die. I did it to win and Vaimes couldn’t let Shin be lynched because that would have led to an endgame where Voxx + the remaining Stark would lynch vaimes.
It’s basically KJ’s unlock that allowed town to win.
And scum forgetting to vote for the throne.
I think the throne design was a bit flawed.
Scum didn’t really have a reason to coordinate it apart from keeping town away from their unlocks.
Apart from the double vote, its power was not useful (it didn’t work on the factional kill) and with the double vote disappearing after the death of half of the players, the interest became low.
Meanwhile for town the throne only becomes stronger endgame, making the unlocks overpowered with scum having no answers.
It’s basically KJ’s unlock that allowed town to win.
And scum forgetting to vote for the throne.
I think the throne design was a bit flawed.
Scum didn’t really have a reason to coordinate it apart from keeping town away from their unlocks.
Apart from the double vote, its power was not useful (it didn’t work on the factional kill) and with the double vote disappearing after the death of half of the players, the interest became low.
Meanwhile for town the throne only becomes stronger endgame, making the unlocks overpowered with scum having no answers.
That being said, I love the design of the game.
I'm surprised you didn't try to at least coordinate votes amongst yourselves to try and unlock abilities.
Town MVP: Killjoy, who protected two kills, weathered being scumread, and managed to take enough time and thought in the final 3 to get it right.
Town Honorable Mention: Tomsloger, for playing an incredibly solve oriented game, and maintaining a clear head throughout, even when wild thoughts and ideas were rampant.
Thousand_Winds, for pulling out all the stops at the end and going full gamesolve mode.
Scum MVP: Vaimes, widely townread, snowed almost everyone, only managed to lose because he was so townie he drew protection in the form of being jailed.
Scum Honorable Mention: Rhand, for avoiding the lynch much longer than expected, fighting it off all the way, and having the resolve of steel to attempt a game winning coordination with Thousand_Winds
Thousand_Winds, for shooting 4 total townies and no scum.
Most Scum Lynches: Killjoy, Vaimes, Thousand_Winds (Each we’re on 4 wagons, Vaimes had 5 total scum lynch votes)
Most Total Lynches: Killjoy, who was on every lynch but XequalsY’s.
The “Lynched without the help of town” Award: XequalsY, who’s wagon contained zero town (Thousand_Winds, Vaimes, Shinichi, XequalsY)
The “I’m never dying and even if I did...” Award: Tomsloger, who was targeted by protection 5/6 nights this game.
Most Lynch votes by a faction: Stark, with 13
The “Playing to my Wincon” Award: Tomsloger, for achieving 5/5 win conditions for both himself and Grapefruit21.
The “Hiding in plane sight” Award: XequalsY, for shooting at town multiple times very openly without anyone actually realizing it.
The “Too many words just kill it” Award: Lastwhisper for being the top poster until the last 2 days, despite living only to Night 1.I’m sure I could come up with some more, but that will do for now.
I’ll compile some post game thoughts in the next couple of days, but overall, thank you all again for making this a memorable game.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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Staff”I’m not, really. Not anymore. I remember what it felt like to be Brandon Stark, but I remember so much else now.”
The bitter Winds of Winter blow over the field of snow. Yet...before your eyes, the snow melts away, and the field begins to turn green. You blink again and find snow before you. Another blink and you even feel warmth in the air as you see the bloom of flowers. Is this real? Or just a Dream of Spring?
Shinichi has died! He was:
Character: Bran Stark
Faction: Stark
Alignment: Mafia
Abilities: Third Eye (Active) - You choose a player each night, you will find out who they are and any abilities they may have.
Factional Win Conditions:
Winter is Coming - [redacted until end game]
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The North Remebers - [redacted until end game]
"The things I do for love." The last words you heard before your life changed forever.
You're told you fell from the walls at Winterfell, you were a skilled climber, but everyone makes mistakes right? You woke up to find both of your parents gone, off to Kings Landing, and eventually war. You never saw them again, not at least with the eyes you were born with.
With the help of Jojen and Meera Reed, you traverse the northern expanse beyond the wall, and find the Three Eyed Raven, a man who knows all that is, that was, and that will be. A man who helps you become what you are destined to be; him. You are no longer Bran Stark, but you are the Three Eyed Raven, and you see everything now, even the parents you once knew.
Tomsloger survived! He was:
Character: Jon Snow
Faction: Stark and Nights Watch
Alignment: Town
Abilities: You have no known abilities.
[Mod Note: The first time Jon Snow dies, he will flip like normal, and is then resurrected at the start of the following day.]
Factional Win Conditions:
Stark:
Winter is Coming - [redacted until end game]
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The North Remembers - [redacted until end game]
Nights Watch:
Take no sides - [redacted until end game]
-or-
I shall wear no crowns - [redacted until end game]
As an illegitimate son, you always knew your place. You were humble, yet painfully aware of what others saw in you, yet you loved your family, even if not all of them loved you back.
What you sought was to bring honor to your father, and to do that from your station, you joined the Nights Watch, where your birthright and titles didn't matter. Where a murderer and a thief were on equal footing to a great lord or even a would be king. You quickly took up the mantle and reputation of being above reproach, and eventually you even attained the position of Lord Commander, your father would have been proud if he had lived. Much as the watch was your brotherhood now, you never stopped feeling allegiance to the family you grew up in.
Character: Robb Stark
Faction: Stark
Alignment: Town
Abilities: King in the North (Active) - While you control the Iron Throne, you learn and have this ability. You may support your own claim to the throne.
[King in the north Unlocked: Each night that you control the Iron Throne you may target two players. They will be jailed (protected from death, and all actions they attempt will be blocked).]
Factional Win Conditions:
Winter is Coming - [redacted until end game]
-or-
The North Remembers - [redacted until end game]
You never wanted this, but nevertheless, you were a natural at it. Your father's death meant that this wasn't a war you could just abandon, it wasn't about land or power or control, it was about justice. And you aimed to be just. You were crowned King in the North by your people, and you would be their king. You certainly took your enemies by surprise, making fools of them, both for under estimating you, and for believing that you could not do that which you had done.
And the best things were personal, you found love, a queen to share your bed and to stand by you in your triumph and help lift you up from your failures. You will be the hero, the man to avenge your father.
Game Over! Win conditions to follow.
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Staff”All men must die, Jon Snow. But first we’ll live.”
Town vs Mafia:
Town has won! Defeating the scum team of Sir Chris, Vaimes, XequalsY, Shinichi, and Rhand.
~~~~~
The Lannisters (KamikazeArchon, Vaimes, Tubba Fett):
-or-
Hear my Roar - Have at least two members of House Lannister control the Iron Throne during the game, or one member control it for three total days.
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The Targaryens (Hunger, LnGrrrR, Sir Chris, XequalsY):
-or-
Fire and Blood - Eliminate two or more Baratheon players (at least 50% of your living faction must be on their wagon if they are lynched, or have personally targeted them with a killing ability.
~~~~~
The Starks (Killjoy, Lastwhisper, Shinichi, Tomsloger [Grapefruit21]):
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The North Remebers - Eliminate at least two Lannister or Frey players (At least 50% of your living faction must be on their wagon if they are lynched, or have personally targeted them with a killing ability).
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The Baratheons (1053nm, RE1031, Highroller):
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Ours is the Fury - Eliminate at least two Targaryen players (At least 50% of your living faction must be on the lynch wagon, or personally target them with a killing ability).
~~~~~
The Night’s Watch (Tomsloger, Cantripmancer, Gentleman Johnny, [Grapefruit21]):
-or-
I shall wear no crowns - Have no member ever control the Iron Throne.
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House Frey (Rhand):
-or-
Outlive - Survive longer than at least Three different players who control, or have controlled the Iron Throne.
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The North (Thousand_Winds):
-or-
Lone Wolf - If all Stark and Nights Watch players die, eliminate all other players.
Congratulations to all of the successful wins! Special mention goes to Rhand who was the sole player to not achieve any win condition.
Notes, awards, and final thoughts to come later.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
And there I was thinking I was being smart when I tried to get Voxx to side with us.
By the way, scum didn’t roll over and die. I did it to win and Vaimes couldn’t let Shin be lynched because that would have led to an endgame where Voxx + the remaining Stark would lynch vaimes.
And scum forgetting to vote for the throne.
I think the throne design was a bit flawed.
Scum didn’t really have a reason to coordinate it apart from keeping town away from their unlocks.
Apart from the double vote, its power was not useful (it didn’t work on the factional kill) and with the double vote disappearing after the death of half of the players, the interest became low.
Meanwhile for town the throne only becomes stronger endgame, making the unlocks overpowered with scum having no answers.
That being said, I love the design of the game.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModAlso, this looked like a fun game and fun set-up, despite few small details.
Tom is the GOAT!
I'm surprised you didn't try to at least coordinate votes amongst yourselves to try and unlock abilities.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
GG all.
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StaffTown MVP: Killjoy, who protected two kills, weathered being scumread, and managed to take enough time and thought in the final 3 to get it right.
Town Honorable Mention: Tomsloger, for playing an incredibly solve oriented game, and maintaining a clear head throughout, even when wild thoughts and ideas were rampant.
Thousand_Winds, for pulling out all the stops at the end and going full gamesolve mode.
Scum MVP: Vaimes, widely townread, snowed almost everyone, only managed to lose because he was so townie he drew protection in the form of being jailed.
Scum Honorable Mention: Rhand, for avoiding the lynch much longer than expected, fighting it off all the way, and having the resolve of steel to attempt a game winning coordination with Thousand_Winds
Thousand_Winds, for shooting 4 total townies and no scum.
Most Scum Lynches: Killjoy, Vaimes, Thousand_Winds (Each we’re on 4 wagons, Vaimes had 5 total scum lynch votes)
Most Total Lynches: Killjoy, who was on every lynch but XequalsY’s.
The “Lynched without the help of town” Award: XequalsY, who’s wagon contained zero town (Thousand_Winds, Vaimes, Shinichi, XequalsY)
The “I’m never dying and even if I did...” Award: Tomsloger, who was targeted by protection 5/6 nights this game.
Most Lynch votes by a faction: Stark, with 13
The “Playing to my Wincon” Award: Tomsloger, for achieving 5/5 win conditions for both himself and Grapefruit21.
The “Hiding in plane sight” Award: XequalsY, for shooting at town multiple times very openly without anyone actually realizing it.
The “Too many words just kill it” Award: Lastwhisper for being the top poster until the last 2 days, despite living only to Night 1.
I’m sure I could come up with some more, but that will do for now.
I’ll compile some post game thoughts in the next couple of days, but overall, thank you all again for making this a memorable game.
gg all, thanks for hosting, Shadow!
Really? Weird. I guess I'll see when all the roles are listed out.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
GG.
Long live House Tyrell.
I enjoyed lynching Chris with Vaimes. That whole thing was pretty fun, especially after finding out he was bulletproof and bodyguard.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Well, at least House Baratheon died doing what it loved... Getting killed...
gg wp all. I still can't believed the town won.
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