Shin believes DV is neutral then got the rules wrong while also saying he thought DV was the best check and would flip town.
His other stances were "no don't townread vaimes" and... ?
Yeah, again, meta.
It's complex for what I've seen from him as scum. It's not to say he can't be scum (meta's iffy), but it's not a conclusion I'd come to at this point in time. So I'm curious what Wisp is seeing.
The analogy is just that you came into the game not sure how to procede. Almost hesitant. Like a deer in headlights.
I see. There's a reason for everything I do. Maybe they are low-impact posts, but it helps me solve, and I don't need to blast the thread with replies to everything to do it. So it's the opposite. I know exactly what I'm doing.
I have thoughts on Wisp that I'm not revealing at this time. Less so with Vaimes, I just don't have a read there yet mostly because the slot leaves me confused.
I think your case on me is applicable to several others. But given I've said more since the time of your vote, I'll observe how your read on me evolves, if it does.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
And what do you think of my focusing on you as opposed to the "several others"? Why do you think I'm doing this?
Can you give me a brief summary of how you solve?
There are 19 players in the game; that's a lot, and a number of them have already posted. It's possible my posting caught your attention more (maybe due to quantity, or something else). It's also possible you're scum fishing for reasoning, but this isn't a possibility I'm leaning towards currently. I liked your explanation, but I also felt it was a bit vague (and so applicable to other players).
I observe people. If my gut is working, I'll push them. If my gut's on fire, I'll tunnel them.
Right now, I'm still in that observation state, approaching the push level. I could throw out level 0 reads or jump to conclusions, and just run with it, but I'm not comfortable doing that here. I think it's something I prefer doing with a player list I'm more familiar with.
I also ask questions in the hopes that at least some of them will give me something I can work with. There's no guarantee they will though, and if it looks like I'm hitting a dead end (NAI territory) with the answers I'm receiving, I'll try something else. You may have picked up on this and labeled it as "not a lot of scumhunting."
There's also time constraints impacting my posting. Which should lighten up by next Monday, and at the latest, next Thursday.
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Just to give an example - there's a reason I'm more curious for Wisp's reasoning in scumreading Shinichi over tom.
So I'd say my questions are chosen carefully, so I can maximize efficiency in receiving AI answers? Something like that.
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Melisandre is another character who could be a faction unto herself.
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So, I don't get how win conditions work in this game.
Because I was thinking about how screwed the town is on the grounds that this game is set up to incentivize us NOT cooperating with each other.
But then I started thinking about it. And my question is this: what incentive do the mafia have to cooperate with each other?
Think about it: the assumption we're going on is that the mafia have infiltrated our various factions, right?
But that means we have multiple mafia members involved in different factions.
This in turn means that we have multiple mafia members with multiple alternative win conditions.
... So why would they cooperate with each other?
Like, I'm guessing that the House win conditions are easier to fulfill than the normal requirements of "Kill everyone that is not town/mafia/neutral," right? So why would the mafia cooperate with themselves, when they belong to another team in which victory is far easier to achieve?
For instance, imagine if you were, I don't know, House Bolton, and your win condition were to kill all the Starks. So you kill all the Starks. Ok, so your House won. So does the game immediately end? And if the game doesn't end, why even bother with the whole town/mafia thing? If you're mafia in House Bolton, you already won because you're in House Bolton. You don't need to care about the mafia win condition, your other team won. You can just out all of the mafia right then and there. Be like, "HI! I'M MAFIA! SO IS PERSON X, PERSON Y, AND PERSON Z!" Because who gives a *****? It doesn't even matter if you die. Your team wins, you win.
So, I don't get how this game works.
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Also, who are the factions?
You'd think the 8 Great Houses, plus Free Cities or neutrals, but there's only 19 players. I could easily see House Tully and/or House Arryn being dropped (less so Martell, but then, nobody really likes Dorne). Then there's House Greyjoy or House Bolton.
I don't know, there's so much up in the air with this game.
I think we should ignore factions alltogether and focus on playing mafia.
If we get tunneled into factional stuff, interaction analysis is going to be completely screwed up.
I hope there are no factions that would actively want the mafia members in there to survive, but I’m trusting Shadow’s design skills enough to not let that happen.
We probably have to massclaim factional wincons at some point in the game, but certainly not on the first Days.
I think we should ignore factions alltogether and focus on playing mafia.
If we get tunneled into factional stuff, interaction analysis is going to be completely screwed up.
I hope there are no factions that would actively want the mafia members in there to survive, but I’m trusting Shadow’s design skills enough to not let that happen.
We probably have to massclaim factional wincons at some point in the game, but certainly not on the first Days.
Yeah? How's about you get the ball rolling on that, Mr. One-Man Faction?
At RE there is nothing awkward about my attempts to vocalize the game of thrones theme. It's totally not awkward that I kept doing that outloud at my desk to gauge how many 'o's each do should have. Totally not awkward at all.
Nothing awkward at all.
Also unsupported hottakes in the early game has kind of become my thing. As either alignment.
@HR alternative win cons will not end the game prematurely.
Honestly, if there's a neutral in the game, it's probably Rhand.
Faction of one smells.
That can change if there are other loners, or if DV's telling the truth about the recruitment power. Shifting wincons seems to be toeing the line, imo.
ehh where this that neutral read cocme from? Also knowing kyle he could easily be with any of those players because he has quite the experience with DV and RE. Plus based on his recent game with Rod it be easy to fake an interaction with him to distance themselves.
I mean maybe it’s just me but I actually like coordinating with scumbuddies and not doing weird things that draw attention. I probably wouldn’t have suicided last game if we still had Daychat.
So you think in the day chat, before people have said anything content-worthy in the main thread, they decide that no one on their team should townread Rodemy?
Maybe it's because I have meta, but it's my assumption that bursting into the thread with a read on someone is exactly what scum!Wisp can and will do, without ever needing to plan it out with buddies.
For your scenario to happen, scum would use the daychat to warn Wisp (and maybe their other buddies) not to townread Rodemy for that one post of his, which seems like a ridiculously specific case. Is that what you're suggesting?
I just don't this its a realistic scenario for vaimes to think that because what are the odds that they specifically start discussing rod before the game starts, kyle is more of a random player like myself.
@Wisp the context should make it clear, but the latter declarative statement.
Since no one has done it yet, this is town!Vaimes. I don't care who is in his chats, he never comes out this energized for a second wolf rand in a row.
Ewww what is this meta read, so your telling me a very unactive player that is active has to be town? Just ewww thats no.
I'm going to go ahead and assume that the mafia are the White Walkers. In which case, not gonna lie, we're probably screwed, because this game is openly built on us not cooperating with one another.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of us if not all have been given a House as a secondary faction in addition to town/mafia/neutral(?). If mafia are the Whitewalkers, would a mass flavor claim not immediately out them? And it's not confirmed that those in the same house are all in the same alignment, no? But mafia being Whitewalkers would confirm that our entire house is town.
Against a mass claim 100% and clearly since the alt win cons include knowing factions I dont think he be recommended anyways.
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u just saved urself the trouble of dealing with me when I'm pissed, lucky you
This is LastWhisper this game when one person claims he's not clairvoyant.
Vote LastWhisper. The fact that you're simultaneously claiming you can guess someone's alignment in the first post, while simultaneously arguing it's too early to post reads might be something you did in Death in the Family mafia, but this level of defensiveness isn't.
Ehh this is a stretch and i don't think you've played enough mafia with last to actually believe this so why in the world do you think it hold any water?
Vote Rhand for not travelling to Stuttgart! Real talk though, I will probably end up somewhere in Belgium this summer, hurray!
Throwing my vote behind Sir Chris for the Iron throne for now. Anyone else down for Sir Chris as D1 chair sitter?
I also accept DV as an Onion Knight to Sir Chris.
I would rather vote DV to the throne because I tend to have a hard time reading his slot and it be easier for me if the slot was just revealed as town unless hes mafia that be even more funny
Vote Rhand for not travelling to Stuttgart! Real talk though, I will probably end up somewhere in Belgium this summer, hurray!
Throwing my vote behind Sir Chris for the Iron throne for now. Anyone else down for Sir Chris as D1 chair sitter?
I also accept DV as an Onion Knight to Sir Chris.
found the other scum
vote: Grr
Cantrip is scum as well
still on the fence of highroller, seems to quite sure of this bad read on me, cant conclude if hes just playing poorly as town, or he's scum, the amount of detail and research between games he has done points more to the latter, but I doubt im that good, and a decent amount of players still havent posted yet
You love to give off early reads with no meaning or reasoning behind them. Feels like your setting yourself to buss people your mafia team.
Vote Rhand for not travelling to Stuttgart! Real talk though, I will probably end up somewhere in Belgium this summer, hurray!
Throwing my vote behind Sir Chris for the Iron throne for now. Anyone else down for Sir Chris as D1 chair sitter?
I also accept DV as an Onion Knight to Sir Chris.
found the other scum
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Cantrip is scum as well
still on the fence of highroller, seems to quite sure of this bad read on me, cant conclude if hes just playing poorly as town, or he's scum, the amount of detail and research between games he has done points more to the latter, but I doubt im that good, and a decent amount of players still havent posted yet
Hey dude, so admittedly still learning how to read people without the benefit of facial expression and body language, but Highroller's pointing out that your instant read was a little sketch, which a lot of other people pointed out, and then taking an example from a previous game comparing it to this game and explaining that a super defensive tone is off for you seemed to make sense. So big question for me is why would his read be considered "playing poorly as town." Like is there a specific flaw or inconsistency you see with his read? Is there a reason that your tone has changed this game compared to last if you're town? I've never played with HR but the points he makes seem grounded in some (weak) evidence and make sense to me. Your response that he's either scum or playing poorly seems pretty defensive, which is what he called you out for in the first place
You is who? Also if alot of people sheep the same reasoning it does make the reason right. The only thing it does cause is add more weight to the meaning. As for the response thing, thats something my brother normally does so if anything its just nai.
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Not much -- more in person than online. Nevertheless, I self nominate for the iron throne! I'm assuming I will not be especially good at this game given I don't know how all the rules work yet and I know you guys might want to go with Sir Chris or someone more experienced, but experienced people can do some real damage with power so I think I'm ultimately the safer option. Side note, why specifically do we want the iron throne? Like I assume it gives you power or something?--I'll reread the rules again
How co you know me?
I don't know you. You just had people nominate you out of the gate which means you must be known by others/experienced
Pretty much, if he is king and is using his double vote to lynch mafia, the throne won't work out well for him.
And if he is evil, and chooses to pursue the innocent, what then?
Then he is likely scum. I have high expectations for Chris due to his ability. If he is way off base, I find it far more likely he is scum than his skill has devolved.
Who suggested a mass claim? Consider my vote on them.
That’s not townplay at all
No one did, if I recall correctly. In response to Highroller's theory that the mafia were the Whitewalkers, I suggested that a mass claim (well, a mass flavor claim, really) would out them. But it was a hypothetical situation - I think it's more likely mafia are just randomized between the characters (though HR's theory on mafia being the raised dead is fair as well).
It would also make sense, in terms of flavor. The houses needed to unite in order to stand a chance against the Whitewalkers, so getting tied up in achieving the alternate wincons could be detrimental to town (weakens them against the Whitewalkers).
Rhand also suggested that we'd need to claim alternate win cons eventually. Which seems reasonable, though I don't see how helpful it'd be for town, other than explaining odd behavior.
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@highroller
Why are so keened to talk about alt win-cons? Seems like a lot of words for nothing, alternative win cons are not an incentive to go against your main win-con.
What do you think of shinichi?
@rodemy
That's a level-0 opinion, and is bound to hit a false positive when there are deeper reasons to see someone as scum
@RE
I agree with KJ in the fact that you seemed lost in your initial posts, your latter posts are better, but nothing too townie
@shinichi
All my reads have meaning, I invite discussion, I don't make posts for nothing outside of a few that are fluffy or answering pointless questions. Why is one of your earlier thoughts the possibility of me setting up for bussing, when we both know that's not ideal play?
The white walker comment feels like you are trying to
A: confuse everyone
B: pretend you don’t know about the scumteam
On top of that your case on LW is bad and you should feel bad for even trying to lynch that low hanging fruit.
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The white walker comment feels like you are trying to
A: confuse everyone
B: pretend you don’t know about the scumteam
On top of that your case on LW is bad and you should feel bad for even trying to lynch that low hanging fruit.
where is this white walker comment? The case on me wasn't bad, it was definitely forced, and I think he honestly believes it, also, how the hell am I LHF?
*Rodemy senses tingling*
I'm more inclined to believe that mafia are randomized between flavor, so flavor doesn't necessarily have to be town or scum based on what you would perceive it to be, anyways this is a fruitless discussion, as it just opens up discussion for mafia to hide in while also not really moving the game forward
@RE
I agree with KJ in the fact that you seemed lost in your initial posts, your latter posts are better, but nothing too townie
Either I've strongly overestimated your ability to read me, or you're scum.
You've seen my town game enough to know this is how I play, or at least you should. Agreeing it sounds lost is just... Superficial. Though it'd be easy to write me off as town, so maybe you're just paranoid.
I'd like to answer Grape's question now, but I do agree that hearing from another player what my current scum meta is would be more useful. (Do that.) For someone keen on scumreading me, you haven't at all given an opinion on the reads I've posted. (Also do that.)
What do you make of Cantrip and LnGrrrR's reads on me?
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You have confirmation bias, but if you look at your initial posts you do in fact look lost, and unlike you, I'm not imploying meta to affect my read, so arguing, "you should know me better", does nothing for me. Most if not all of your better posts came after I was asleep, since you go to sleep at like 5am, I woke up at 10am and had to head to class. I
I'll take a deeper dive into your posts when I get a chance.
Idk what cantrip's read was at the top of my head, I don't understand Grr's on me or you, or his conclusion in #218. Also he didn't really instantiate on his read of you, so I can't really say what I think about it, other than it coming out of nowhere
I also don't think a definite read on you can come from the micro level, so I'm just spitballing here, a more accurate read on you would come at the macro level, but it's too early for anything like that
The fact that LW caught that gives him townppoints, for those keeping score at home.
what did I catch?
I assumed you noted that I said if he uses his double vote to lynch mafia, he is in trouble. (Obviously I meant town; I would be ecstatic if Chris uses a double vote to lynch mafia.) But if not, then... never mind, I guess?
I have no idea what my phone did there, but what I meant to write was that I liked your explanation of when you feel confident to push and when you dont.
Idk what cantrip's read was at the top of my head, I don't understand Grr's on me or you, or his conclusion in #218. Also he didn't really instantiate on his read of you, so I can't really say what I think about it, other than it coming out of nowhere
He liked something I posted, though didn't mention how strong of a read it was. It pings me (maybe because not giving a read on someone, in this case you, is inherently NAI?), but Cantrip does only have 3 posts and I'd like to see more.
I also don't care for posts that mention a bunch of people asking them questions, especially when it isn't accompanied by much else. It feels like an easy way for scum to pretend to be solving. But again, it's only 3 posts so far.
I don't understand the conclusion on you either, since I think pointing out the error in his post (switching town and mafia) should be NAI. But the answer LnGrrrR gave regarding his read of me is passable. I questioned that part particularly because it felt like he was preparing to tie me and KJ into a false dichotomy by picking sides.
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I don’t see it, can you elaborate?
I don’t like the town clears without much to back them up but it’s meh-shrug to me.
He speaks too quickly and certainly of LW and HR not being aligned; and if he believes them unaligned, then one must be the enemy, yes? Yet he does not follow on that.
Can anyone who's not RE confirm what RE said about her (i think) playstyle?
Either way, Unvote to look for other suspects.
Highroller I'm pretty sure if you start throwing the game at any point to ruin the fun for everyone else, you're getting instantly blacklisted... even if you've already won.
Grape Talk to me about your reads. What's Wisp looking like to you? Also Shinichi.
Vote Shinichi You keep walling and it's giving me feelings.
I don’t see it, can you elaborate?
I don’t like the town clears without much to back them up but it’s meh-shrug to me.
He speaks too quickly and certainly of LW and HR not being aligned; and if he believes them unaligned, then one must be the enemy, yes? Yet he does not follow on that.
I've always used 'unaligned' as 'not both mafia' instead of the literal meaning. I assume that's what Grape would be meaning here, as I think its the more common usage.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Assuming makes an ass out of you me, my interpretation of the post, and something that I would very much say hypothetically speaking in this scenario, if I saw HR and Wisp going at it, I would think, in the off chance one is mafia, the other one is probably not, and not that either of them have to be mafia.
Honestly answering for Grape is pointless, wait for him to respond
Highroller I'm pretty sure if you start throwing the game at any point to ruin the fun for everyone else, you're getting instantly blacklisted... even if you've already won
I've always used 'unaligned' as 'not both mafia' instead of the literal meaning. I assume that's what Grape would be meaning here, as I think its the more common usage.
Hm. Perhaps, yet this addresses only the latter part of my suspicion.
RE is a decently strong townread, imo. There was a moment where she could really have taken advantage of something I said (that I had TMI when I was talking generally) and pushed it, but she questioned it and kind of just moved on.
RE, are you still confused about something I said?
Yeah, your read/commentary on Wisp, but I don't think it's selling enough to make you scum. The logic doesn't make sense to me, but I could just be seeing it differently. Would need a different topic to make a better assessment of you.
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I did like the Neutral bait-and-switch, but he's a bit too light on content. The theorycrafting is whatever.
@People townreading DV (Wisp, Killjoy, anyone else I missed): explain a bit?
(I actually just noticed that I'm agreeing with a lot of what RE's saying in 197, which makes me feel significantly better about townreading her, whee.)
Kinda wanna townread Cantrip's entrance. Just pinged town, I have no solid basis for it. I actually feel like I have a better handle on him after whatever game that was Highroller wrongfully killed me in.
It's complex for what I've seen from him as scum. It's not to say he can't be scum (meta's iffy), but it's not a conclusion I'd come to at this point in time. So I'm curious what Wisp is seeing. I see. There's a reason for everything I do. Maybe they are low-impact posts, but it helps me solve, and I don't need to blast the thread with replies to everything to do it. So it's the opposite. I know exactly what I'm doing.
I have thoughts on Wisp that I'm not revealing at this time. Less so with Vaimes, I just don't have a read there yet mostly because the slot leaves me confused.
I think your case on me is applicable to several others. But given I've said more since the time of your vote, I'll observe how your read on me evolves, if it does.
Can you give me a brief summary of how you solve?
I observe people. If my gut is working, I'll push them. If my gut's on fire, I'll tunnel them.
Right now, I'm still in that observation state, approaching the push level. I could throw out level 0 reads or jump to conclusions, and just run with it, but I'm not comfortable doing that here. I think it's something I prefer doing with a player list I'm more familiar with.
I also ask questions in the hopes that at least some of them will give me something I can work with. There's no guarantee they will though, and if it looks like I'm hitting a dead end (NAI territory) with the answers I'm receiving, I'll try something else. You may have picked up on this and labeled it as "not a lot of scumhunting."
There's also time constraints impacting my posting. Which should lighten up by next Monday, and at the latest, next Thursday.
So I'd say my questions are chosen carefully, so I can maximize efficiency in receiving AI answers? Something like that.
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So, I don't get how win conditions work in this game.
Because I was thinking about how screwed the town is on the grounds that this game is set up to incentivize us NOT cooperating with each other.
But then I started thinking about it. And my question is this: what incentive do the mafia have to cooperate with each other?
Think about it: the assumption we're going on is that the mafia have infiltrated our various factions, right?
But that means we have multiple mafia members involved in different factions.
This in turn means that we have multiple mafia members with multiple alternative win conditions.
... So why would they cooperate with each other?
Like, I'm guessing that the House win conditions are easier to fulfill than the normal requirements of "Kill everyone that is not town/mafia/neutral," right? So why would the mafia cooperate with themselves, when they belong to another team in which victory is far easier to achieve?
For instance, imagine if you were, I don't know, House Bolton, and your win condition were to kill all the Starks. So you kill all the Starks. Ok, so your House won. So does the game immediately end? And if the game doesn't end, why even bother with the whole town/mafia thing? If you're mafia in House Bolton, you already won because you're in House Bolton. You don't need to care about the mafia win condition, your other team won. You can just out all of the mafia right then and there. Be like, "HI! I'M MAFIA! SO IS PERSON X, PERSON Y, AND PERSON Z!" Because who gives a *****? It doesn't even matter if you die. Your team wins, you win.
So, I don't get how this game works.
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Also, who are the factions?
You'd think the 8 Great Houses, plus Free Cities or neutrals, but there's only 19 players. I could easily see House Tully and/or House Arryn being dropped (less so Martell, but then, nobody really likes Dorne). Then there's House Greyjoy or House Bolton.
I don't know, there's so much up in the air with this game.
If we get tunneled into factional stuff, interaction analysis is going to be completely screwed up.
I hope there are no factions that would actively want the mafia members in there to survive, but I’m trusting Shadow’s design skills enough to not let that happen.
We probably have to massclaim factional wincons at some point in the game, but certainly not on the first Days.
Nothing awkward at all.
Also unsupported hottakes in the early game has kind of become my thing. As either alignment.
@HR alternative win cons will not end the game prematurely.
I don't care much about my 2nd win con, I just want to murder mafia.
I forgot you were in this game, long time no see my friend
ehh where this that neutral read cocme from? Also knowing kyle he could easily be with any of those players because he has quite the experience with DV and RE. Plus based on his recent game with Rod it be easy to fake an interaction with him to distance themselves.
its more fun to just do whatever do
I just don't this its a realistic scenario for vaimes to think that because what are the odds that they specifically start discussing rod before the game starts, kyle is more of a random player like myself.
hes stronger as town but he can play scum
Ewww what is this meta read, so your telling me a very unactive player that is active has to be town? Just ewww thats no.
Against a mass claim 100% and clearly since the alt win cons include knowing factions I dont think he be recommended anyways.
Lastwhisper (3): D_V, Vaimes, Highroller
LnGrrrR (2): Rhand, Lastwhisper
Sir Chris (1): Rodemy
Killjoy (1): Sir Chris
Rhand (1): LnGrrrR
Coballt (1): Grapefruit21
Grapefruit21 (1): RE1031
Shinichi (1): tomsloger
RE1031 (1): Killjoy
Not Voting (7): 1053nm, KamikazeArchon, Shinichi, Hunger, Tubba Fett, Coballt, Cantripmancer
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That’s not townplay at all
Ehh this is a stretch and i don't think you've played enough mafia with last to actually believe this so why in the world do you think it hold any water?
Oh is that not how it works
You love to give off early reads with no meaning or reasoning behind them. Feels like your setting yourself to buss people your mafia team.
You is who? Also if alot of people sheep the same reasoning it does make the reason right. The only thing it does cause is add more weight to the meaning. As for the response thing, thats something my brother normally does so if anything its just nai.
there he is
Mafia sheep is you?
Then he is likely scum. I have high expectations for Chris due to his ability. If he is way off base, I find it far more likely he is scum than his skill has devolved.
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It would also make sense, in terms of flavor. The houses needed to unite in order to stand a chance against the Whitewalkers, so getting tied up in achieving the alternate wincons could be detrimental to town (weakens them against the Whitewalkers).
Rhand also suggested that we'd need to claim alternate win cons eventually. Which seems reasonable, though I don't see how helpful it'd be for town, other than explaining odd behavior.
I like Re. Not sure on KJ.
@Tom, if you could've picked any faction to be, what would it be?
Also reading the quote LW posted, I meant that if Chris is using his double vote to lynch town, not mafia, then he is probably scum.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Why are so keened to talk about alt win-cons? Seems like a lot of words for nothing, alternative win cons are not an incentive to go against your main win-con.
What do you think of shinichi?
@rodemy
That's a level-0 opinion, and is bound to hit a false positive when there are deeper reasons to see someone as scum
@RE
I agree with KJ in the fact that you seemed lost in your initial posts, your latter posts are better, but nothing too townie
@shinichi
All my reads have meaning, I invite discussion, I don't make posts for nothing outside of a few that are fluffy or answering pointless questions. Why is one of your earlier thoughts the possibility of me setting up for bussing, when we both know that's not ideal play?
The white walker comment feels like you are trying to
A: confuse everyone
B: pretend you don’t know about the scumteam
On top of that your case on LW is bad and you should feel bad for even trying to lynch that low hanging fruit.
*Rodemy senses tingling*
You've seen my town game enough to know this is how I play, or at least you should. Agreeing it sounds lost is just... Superficial. Though it'd be easy to write me off as town, so maybe you're just paranoid.
I'd like to answer Grape's question now, but I do agree that hearing from another player what my current scum meta is would be more useful. (Do that.) For someone keen on scumreading me, you haven't at all given an opinion on the reads I've posted. (Also do that.)
What do you make of Cantrip and LnGrrrR's reads on me?
You have confirmation bias, but if you look at your initial posts you do in fact look lost, and unlike you, I'm not imploying meta to affect my read, so arguing, "you should know me better", does nothing for me. Most if not all of your better posts came after I was asleep, since you go to sleep at like 5am, I woke up at 10am and had to head to class. I
I'll take a deeper dive into your posts when I get a chance.
Idk what cantrip's read was at the top of my head, I don't understand Grr's on me or you, or his conclusion in #218. Also he didn't really instantiate on his read of you, so I can't really say what I think about it, other than it coming out of nowhere
I assumed you noted that I said if he uses his double vote to lynch mafia, he is in trouble. (Obviously I meant town; I would be ecstatic if Chris uses a double vote to lynch mafia.) But if not, then... never mind, I guess?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I like your explanation of when you ought, when you don't, etc. You aren't flustered, and are just answering things and explaining your view point.
Unsure on KJ at the moment.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Meanwhile, 178 rings of falsehood.
vote Grapefruit
I don’t see it, can you elaborate?
I don’t like the town clears without much to back them up but it’s meh-shrug to me.
I also don't care for posts that mention a bunch of people asking them questions, especially when it isn't accompanied by much else. It feels like an easy way for scum to pretend to be solving. But again, it's only 3 posts so far.
I don't understand the conclusion on you either, since I think pointing out the error in his post (switching town and mafia) should be NAI. But the answer LnGrrrR gave regarding his read of me is passable. I questioned that part particularly because it felt like he was preparing to tie me and KJ into a false dichotomy by picking sides.
Either way, Unvote to look for other suspects.
Highroller I'm pretty sure if you start throwing the game at any point to ruin the fun for everyone else, you're getting instantly blacklisted... even if you've already won.
Grape Talk to me about your reads. What's Wisp looking like to you? Also Shinichi.
Vote Shinichi You keep walling and it's giving me feelings.
RE's reaction to my pressure is decent, actually.
I've always used 'unaligned' as 'not both mafia' instead of the literal meaning. I assume that's what Grape would be meaning here, as I think its the more common usage.
Honestly answering for Grape is pointless, wait for him to respond
what are you talking about here?
RE is a decently strong townread, imo. There was a moment where she could really have taken advantage of something I said (that I had TMI when I was talking generally) and pushed it, but she questioned it and kind of just moved on.
RE, Highroller, LW is my loose towncore.
Vote DV
I did like the Neutral bait-and-switch, but he's a bit too light on content. The theorycrafting is whatever.
@People townreading DV (Wisp, Killjoy, anyone else I missed): explain a bit?
(I actually just noticed that I'm agreeing with a lot of what RE's saying in 197, which makes me feel significantly better about townreading her, whee.)
Kinda wanna townread Cantrip's entrance. Just pinged town, I have no solid basis for it. I actually feel like I have a better handle on him after whatever game that was Highroller wrongfully killed me in. Strongest read(s), go.
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My brother's name is Kyle too. But he hates mafia and won't play with me.