@Shin
In 1742 you say that it shouldn’t matter if Wisp is bad for town, if he has a town role and winning with town it’s fine to keep him.
I disagree in that for one, the claim itself is wine that can’t be resolved short of flipping, and for two, if he’s bad for town he will always be a potential mislynch and a distraction.
How confident are you that he is town right now? Does his previous behaviour and stances regarding you this game make sense to you from him?
I think I was wrong to clear him based on his case on D_V. Him reappearing now feels awkward too. His vote on KA is not great, and his reaction to 1053 feels really weird if they're doing what he's saying they're doing. Far less confrontational/questioning than it should be, and more shady.
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Also who are you a counter-wagon to? Me? I offered up my Lynch and people won't vote me...
Also what happens when I flip town? What do you do next?
@RE
Still think tubba is scum as well...
Also him suggesting I'm terrible is infuriating, I know he isn't trying to... But that's how it comes off to me
Oh, wow, now I'm totally convinced. Yes, that totally explains why a person who has hitherto read someone as town and who claims to be interested in a lynch would then switch a vote to the guy he townread when said person only had one vote.
@RE
Still think tubba is scum as well...
Also him suggesting I'm terrible is infuriating, I know he isn't trying to... But that's how it comes off to me
I've read over Tubba a couple times. I haven't seen anything that sways me strongly in either direction. His town play, from I've seen, doesn't deviate much from this level of side-lining.
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@HR
Also who are you a counter-wagon to? Me? I offered up my Lynch and people won't vote me...
Also what happens when I flip town? What do you do next?
@RE
Still think tubba is scum as well...
Also him suggesting I'm terrible is infuriating, I know he isn't trying to... But that's how it comes off to me
I’m NOT trying to do that. I’m trying to understand you. And mildly make fun of you a little bit. I will endeavour to be strictly professional with you from now on.
I don't really think Rhand is flipping scum. His mechanical speculation feels townie. He literally outted himself as a faction that another faction would want to target, which was bound get more votes. That's just a bad move as scum. If you need my vote there, you'll have it though.
And I'm not voting Wisp solely because it'd go against my policy. I lied earlier. I'd feel insanely terrible if he flipped town.
Then what was with all the back n forth wishy-washy? Your entire interaction wasn't needed if the outcome was just going to be that final line. Also couldn't he have specifically outted that information just so people could come to that exact conclusion getting him a town read.
Should've reloaded the thread, also, I'm ok with voting Grape, but he's not my first choice, and I will change votes to achieve a lynch, but I like where I am
@Shin
In 1742 you say that it shouldn’t matter if Wisp is bad for town, if he has a town role and winning with town it’s fine to keep him.
I disagree in that for one, the claim itself is wine that can’t be resolved short of flipping, and for two, if he’s bad for town he will always be a potential mislynch and a distraction.
How confident are you that he is town right now? Does his previous behaviour and stances regarding you this game make sense to you from him?
Resolving a role that can be town on d1 is silly, i rather lynch someone that will 100% flip scum than someone who has 50/50 because thye just happened to get an ability that is easy to fake claim.
His behavior towards me shows he is trying to revaluate me and that he understands i am town this game.
I think I was wrong to clear him based on his case on D_V. Him reappearing now feels awkward too. His vote on KA is not great, and his reaction to 1053 feels really weird if they're doing what he's saying they're doing. Far less confrontational/questioning than it should be, and more shady.
The vote on KA is weird mostly because it seems like he has some hidden agenda he is trying to put forward with the vote seeing as how KA really wasnt someone that was gonna become a train.
@Shinichi
I'm surprised you haven't picked up on it. I think Vaimes did. I personally think it's obvious what happened here, or what it is we're eluding to. But confbias, etc.
If you think I'm scum for it, or Cantrip (I'm not actually sold on him being town, yet, despite this), then that's something for another day.
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I'm surprised you haven't picked up on it. I think Vaimes did. I personally think it's obvious what happened here, or what it is we're eluding to. But confbias, etc.
If you think I'm scum for it, or Cantrip (I'm not actually sold on him being town, yet, despite this), then that's something for another day.
Tom has been kind of ridiculously townie with handling the alt wincons. I could easily see him, as scum, abusing the Stark wincon to lynch Rhand in this situation. Assuming Rhand is town here, but him weighing the pros and cons of lynching Rhand feels like it's coming from someone actually interested in helping town.
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Rhand is still my wincon, even if i no longer think him likely to flip scum
Tubba, grape, last all have a decent chance of being scum.
Think thats the 4 people id kill today.
Going to work in a few but will be able to check in and vote and such
god if I had a gun I would shoot. Also the fact that you have two different factions, means you have counter-intuitive wincons, so to win one, you have to lose the other. Which I doubt that you have so many wincons in the first place
Tom has been kind of ridiculously townie with handling the alt wincons. I could easily see him, as scum, abusing the Stark wincon to lynch Rhand in this situation. Assuming Rhand is town here, but him weighing the pros and cons of lynching Rhand feels like it's coming from someone actually interested in helping town.
idk how u come to that conclusion, but ok... The dude his basing all his options outside tubba as 50/50, because of the fact that they help his alt win-con...
Tom has been kind of ridiculously townie with handling the alt wincons. I could easily see him, as scum, abusing the Stark wincon to lynch Rhand in this situation. Assuming Rhand is town here, but him weighing the pros and cons of lynching Rhand feels like it's coming from someone actually interested in helping town.
idk how u come to that conclusion, but ok... The dude his basing all his options outside tubba as 50/50, because of the fact that they help his alt win-con...
Why admit Rhand could be town, then, purely based on mechanical speculation? It's just the sense I've gotten. His play now is one step away from openwolfing, if he's a wolf.
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Tom has been kind of ridiculously townie with handling the alt wincons. I could easily see him, as scum, abusing the Stark wincon to lynch Rhand in this situation. Assuming Rhand is town here, but him weighing the pros and cons of lynching Rhand feels like it's coming from someone actually interested in helping town.
idk how u come to that conclusion, but ok... The dude his basing all his options outside tubba as 50/50, because of the fact that they help his alt win-con...
Why admit Rhand could be town, then, purely based on mechanical speculation? It's just the sense I've gotten. His play now is one step away from openwolfing, if he's a wolf.
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i wasnt refering to that part, i was refering to everything else
@RE
you dont think Tom can open wolf? I've seen him open wolf, its quite possibly what he is doing here
anyways its pointless to think about him right now
@RE
you dont think Tom can open wolf? I've seen him open wolf, its quite possibly what he is doing here
anyways its pointless to think about him right now
Well, I've seen like, one game where he was a wolf, I think? Two if you count Ghostbusters.
In Arkham, he was really conservative with providing information he had. The fact he's so open about it here is a good sign.
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Well I finally don't have a fever, but throat is still killing me and I have a ***** ton of work to catch up on.
No way I am getting caught up and so far have just looked at the most recent vote count and realized it's only ~7 hours until deadline.
Is shin no longer an option? What happened to that wagon? Looks like it got up pretty high, Grape was the counter, then both sort of faded and Last Rhand picked back up. I remember liking the Chris and Cantrip cases against him. I think I started ISO'ing him before I went MIA and I have one note that I don't remember why I made it.
What's up with the Rhand vs. Last wagons? Seems to be a mixed bag of people on each wagon from my previous reads and don't feel great about either of those wagons. In my experience I don't think Rhand is a good early lynch. As town he makes some really great catches that other people miss and in particular was spot on on his reads in the team game I subbed in for him. I also probably have the most experience with him of anyone in this game and I THINK I can still sniff him out as scum later in the game if it comes to that. Last I had a town read on and there is no way I can possibly ISO him and figure out if that's still the case. Can someone distill the arguments here at all?
@RE - Why are you on Cantrip? I liked you both for town before, but it strikes me as odd that you are off on your own this late in the Day?
@Last - Thoughts on Rhand given he is your counter wagon? If this is recent I'll probably come across it since I intend to start skimming backwards, otherwise linking to a post could help. Also, why HR?
I can try to skim some stuff over lunch, but won't likely get super far because this D1 is stupidly long with walls of I don't even know what. 416 ******* posts Last? I'm almost certain I have never had that many posts in a game before.
OK, looks like RE wants to make a Grape lynch happen. Quick case? I feel like I was town reading Grape, but then had some doubts as he did something weird towards the end of where I have read in the game. I'll look for that quick.
Looks like tom wants to lynch Rhand for an alt wincon, which is maybe where the wagon comes from? It's hard to say that it's AI, but it sure as hell is an easy out for any scum in his faction if Rhand is town.
I think I agree with 1767 in that toms handling does seem townie here despite having seen him openwolf. The fact that he as been on about his faction likely containing scum since the start of the game, while also potentially open wolfing, just doesn't seem like something to push from the onset unless it's a long con in which he knows there are two scum in his faction and he is trying to get the other lynched maybe after taking down one of the town members first and "buying" himself a strong mechanical "clear."
1763 Seems to allude to something between RE and Cantrip. Sounds cryptic though. Any link help or summary of this?
Is HR always this antagonistic? 1750. I'd probably vote HR right now had he switched to Rhand, but I'd like to see his reasoning on Last. I'm not sure if I think his push for getting a lynch is genuine town or scum trying to look towny because it's totally the towny thing to say at this stage in the game. It just kinda feels like he is saying stuff, but not really trying to make arguments to sway people one way or the other. Maybe I just haven't got there yet though. I do remember having a similar thought on his tone regarding the Iron Throne stuff though when I thought he may have slipped.
Super helpful. I'm sure you are frustrated I have been MIA while you take up every other post, but it's just not going to happen in the time I have.
yes I apologize for my energy... but when you are asking questions that have answers, it just makes it so we have to clog up the thread with answers to already answered questions
I can answer one of your questions though, from my personal experience with HR, this would be the first game ive seen him play so aggressive, since in his previous game, he was rather quiet and town
i made a case on him
Hyper-aggressive start, makes an over-explanatory case, dips from the thread, only to come in to make sure I'm being pressured and people know how scummy i've been. Most of his other thoughts have been nothing in comparison, and I don't feel as if he really cares about the game-state since if im still scum to him, he should be pushing me harder since he is so certain
I’m at work now and have a hot date afterwards, (big flex I know) and am a little concerned about missing deadline. I’ll be checking in as often as possible throughout the rest of the day. I’d go Last, Rhand or Grape fwiw.
I won't be able to check the thread until after day is over.
In the interests of actually having a lynch, Unvote, Vote Grape. We will need a Grape flip at some point anyway. Should he flip mafia, we should look into either LnGrrrR or Rhand. Definitely the latter.
Irrespective of flip, I challenge anyone to argue to me that LastWhisper is town tomorrow.
I won't be able to check the thread until after day is over.
In the interests of actually having a lynch, Unvote, Vote Grape. We will need a Grape flip at some point anyway. Should he flip mafia, we should look into either LnGrrrR or Rhand. Definitely the latter.
Irrespective of flip, I challenge anyone to argue to me that LastWhisper is town tomorrow.
its going to be a glorious battle tomorrow if I am still alive, I can promise you that
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I can answer one of your questions though, from my personal experience with HR, this would be the first game ive seen him play so aggressive, since in his previous game, he was rather quiet and town
Whaaaaaat.
That was not my impression of his playstyle at all. He tunneled Rodemy very hard in Ghostbusters. He tunneled Kami very hard in Death in the Family.
I would say he does seem a bit more aggressive than usual, but an already-aggressive player playing a bit more aggressively isn't a scumtell IMO.
"Quiet and town" - I would never use those words to describe HR, the first one at least. Dude, you died before he subbed in, no?
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In 1742 you say that it shouldn’t matter if Wisp is bad for town, if he has a town role and winning with town it’s fine to keep him.
I disagree in that for one, the claim itself is wine that can’t be resolved short of flipping, and for two, if he’s bad for town he will always be a potential mislynch and a distraction.
How confident are you that he is town right now? Does his previous behaviour and stances regarding you this game make sense to you from him?
I think I was wrong to clear him based on his case on D_V. Him reappearing now feels awkward too. His vote on KA is not great, and his reaction to 1053 feels really weird if they're doing what he's saying they're doing. Far less confrontational/questioning than it should be, and more shady.
Also who are you a counter-wagon to? Me? I offered up my Lynch and people won't vote me...
Also what happens when I flip town? What do you do next?
@RE
Still think tubba is scum as well...
Also him suggesting I'm terrible is infuriating, I know he isn't trying to... But that's how it comes off to me
And yet you vote me when I have 1 vote on me. Contradiction much?
No, you just never posted an explanation.
You just out of the blue, on page 34, started reading me as mafia.
Oh, wow, now I'm totally convinced. Yes, that totally explains why a person who has hitherto read someone as town and who claims to be interested in a lynch would then switch a vote to the guy he townread when said person only had one vote.
How the hell are people townreading LastWhisper?
I’m NOT trying to do that. I’m trying to understand you. And mildly make fun of you a little bit. I will endeavour to be strictly professional with you from now on.
Tubba, grape, last all have a decent chance of being scum.
Think thats the 4 people id kill today.
Going to work in a few but will be able to check in and vote and such
u refering to rhand or wisp?
your vote isnt doing much on yourself tho
Poor poor cantrip can't open his eyes, and doesnt a wagon forming without resistance make normally scum generated?
care to explain what makes rhands wagon scummy tho?
Resolving a role that can be town on d1 is silly, i rather lynch someone that will 100% flip scum than someone who has 50/50 because thye just happened to get an ability that is easy to fake claim.
His behavior towards me shows he is trying to revaluate me and that he understands i am town this game.
The vote on KA is weird mostly because it seems like he has some hidden agenda he is trying to put forward with the vote seeing as how KA really wasnt someone that was gonna become a train.
Still not gonna vote someone based off of alternate wincons
I'm surprised you haven't picked up on it. I think Vaimes did. I personally think it's obvious what happened here, or what it is we're eluding to. But confbias, etc.
If you think I'm scum for it, or Cantrip (I'm not actually sold on him being town, yet, despite this), then that's something for another day.
But im not surprised
read ur post wrong then lol
alt win cons dont help the entre town faction win though
if will have to be left for another day i suppose
vote: Grape
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you dont think Tom can open wolf? I've seen him open wolf, its quite possibly what he is doing here
anyways its pointless to think about him right now
In Arkham, he was really conservative with providing information he had. The fact he's so open about it here is a good sign.
Facts.
No way I am getting caught up and so far have just looked at the most recent vote count and realized it's only ~7 hours until deadline.
Is shin no longer an option? What happened to that wagon? Looks like it got up pretty high, Grape was the counter, then both sort of faded and Last Rhand picked back up. I remember liking the Chris and Cantrip cases against him. I think I started ISO'ing him before I went MIA and I have one note that I don't remember why I made it.
What's up with the Rhand vs. Last wagons? Seems to be a mixed bag of people on each wagon from my previous reads and don't feel great about either of those wagons. In my experience I don't think Rhand is a good early lynch. As town he makes some really great catches that other people miss and in particular was spot on on his reads in the team game I subbed in for him. I also probably have the most experience with him of anyone in this game and I THINK I can still sniff him out as scum later in the game if it comes to that. Last I had a town read on and there is no way I can possibly ISO him and figure out if that's still the case. Can someone distill the arguments here at all?
@RE - Why are you on Cantrip? I liked you both for town before, but it strikes me as odd that you are off on your own this late in the Day?
@Last - Thoughts on Rhand given he is your counter wagon? If this is recent I'll probably come across it since I intend to start skimming backwards, otherwise linking to a post could help. Also, why HR?
I can try to skim some stuff over lunch, but won't likely get super far because this D1 is stupidly long with walls of I don't even know what. 416 ******* posts Last? I'm almost certain I have never had that many posts in a game before.
listen go read the game
Ping me if anyone does anything alignment indicative, work is work. Let’s not wait until the last minute.
And really therez no difference here im going to play to all my win conditions.
Doing otherwise is both not true to myself and objectively bad play.
Looks like tom wants to lynch Rhand for an alt wincon, which is maybe where the wagon comes from? It's hard to say that it's AI, but it sure as hell is an easy out for any scum in his faction if Rhand is town.
I think I agree with 1767 in that toms handling does seem townie here despite having seen him openwolf. The fact that he as been on about his faction likely containing scum since the start of the game, while also potentially open wolfing, just doesn't seem like something to push from the onset unless it's a long con in which he knows there are two scum in his faction and he is trying to get the other lynched maybe after taking down one of the town members first and "buying" himself a strong mechanical "clear."
1763 Seems to allude to something between RE and Cantrip. Sounds cryptic though. Any link help or summary of this?
Is HR always this antagonistic? 1750. I'd probably vote HR right now had he switched to Rhand, but I'd like to see his reasoning on Last. I'm not sure if I think his push for getting a lynch is genuine town or scum trying to look towny because it's totally the towny thing to say at this stage in the game. It just kinda feels like he is saying stuff, but not really trying to make arguments to sway people one way or the other. Maybe I just haven't got there yet though. I do remember having a similar thought on his tone regarding the Iron Throne stuff though when I thought he may have slipped.
I won't lynch last. I'll lynch like any of the other leading wagons.
go ISO Grape
go ISO Hunger
i made a case on him
Hyper-aggressive start, makes an over-explanatory case, dips from the thread, only to come in to make sure I'm being pressured and people know how scummy i've been. Most of his other thoughts have been nothing in comparison, and I don't feel as if he really cares about the game-state since if im still scum to him, he should be pushing me harder since he is so certain
I liked his early flip-flop but that was all
vote Grape
This is acceptable.
Grapefruit21 (8): LnGrrrR 1053nm, Shinichi, RE1031, Lastwhisper, Vaimes, D_V, KamikazeArchon
Lastwhisper (4): Rhand, Highroller, Rodemy, Tubba Fett,
Shinichi (2): Sir Chris, Cantripmancer
Highroller (2): Gentleman Johnny, Rhand
Rhand (2): Killjoy, tomsloger
KamikazeArchon(1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting (1):Hunger
u realize u are still voting me?
In the interests of actually having a lynch, Unvote, Vote Grape. We will need a Grape flip at some point anyway. Should he flip mafia, we should look into either LnGrrrR or Rhand. Definitely the latter.
Irrespective of flip, I challenge anyone to argue to me that LastWhisper is town tomorrow.
He's not I had Rhand twice.
Grapefruit21 (8): LnGrrrR 1053nm, Shinichi, RE1031, Lastwhisper, Vaimes, D_V, KamikazeArchon
xLastwhisper (3): Highroller, Rodemy, Tubba Fett,
Highroller (2): Gentleman Johnny, Rhand
Shinichi (2): Sir Chris, Cantripmancer
Rhand (2): Killjoy, tomsloger
KamikazeArchon(1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting (1):Hunger
Grape is now at L1
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Grapefruit21 (9): LnGrrrR, 1053nm, Shinichi, RE1031, Lastwhisper, Vaimes, D_V, KamikazeArchon, Highroller (Lynch -1)
Rhand (2): Killjoy, tomsloger
Lastwhisper (2): Rodemy, Tubba Fett
Shinichi (2): Sir Chris, Cantripmancer
Highroller (2): Gentleman Johnny, Rhand
KamikazeArchon (1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting (1): Hunger
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Going to try to skim the Grape ISO now.
unvote: Grapefruit
I'll be back to revote need be. But yeah. Better safe than sorry.
Whaaaaaat.
That was not my impression of his playstyle at all. He tunneled Rodemy very hard in Ghostbusters. He tunneled Kami very hard in Death in the Family.
I would say he does seem a bit more aggressive than usual, but an already-aggressive player playing a bit more aggressively isn't a scumtell IMO.
"Quiet and town" - I would never use those words to describe HR, the first one at least. Dude, you died before he subbed in, no?