Ya calling that 1053 always flips scum here because of #1474
These are your explanations?
It's weak. I don't understand the first and last post. What reactions are you talking about in the second, and why does that make them scum?
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HR : Basically bounced between Last and Shinichi IE misslynch bait A and misslynch bait B. My POE tells me that HR is scum and on top of that HR feels like he is floating and just looking for a lynch, and not a scum lynch at that.
It's nearing the end of Day 1 after 32 pages and at one point there were 7 people not voting. There was a legitimate concern of there not even being a lynch today due to the inactivity. So yes, obviously I'm looking for a lynch. Would you prefer we not have one? That's NAI at this point.
Were I actually floating around with my vote, suspicion would be justified, except for the fact that I'm doing the exact opposite of that. With the exception of the LnGrrrR incident, I've consistently been on LastWhisper and Shinichi. I've been doing anything but floating around with my vote.
I think we might be facing a LW + Shin + HR world with awkward bussing situations.
... What.
Also, I thought Grapefruit was mafia? If Grape's not mafia, then why am I suspicious for voting LastWhisper and only FOSing Grape? I thought that was the whole reason for you thinking I was suspicious in the first place.
Shinichi : Look I think Shinichi is scummy. He’s made 80+ posts almost none of them in advancement of the game, and he has yet to vote.
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HR : Basically bounced between Last and Shinichi IE misslynch bait A and misslynch bait B.
You have Shin as scummy (and in your T/S as #3 scum). So why is he "misslynch bait B"?
Its the way he's bouncing. What I mean is that he hasn't justified it very well on either vote. Its basically one line of text and "We should lynch" and then he moves on.
Who was it that said LW gets defeateist when he’s town and not when he’s scum? Grape? Do you have examples of that?
I don't have examples off hand but I can remember him pulling the I don't want to be here shtick in recent games, I can look back if you really want. I don't have examples of him not doing it as scum but it's not behavior I'd expect.
How about this is it more than 6? I understand you not wanting to leak more information but I'm trying to get a grasp on what you're claiming here.
Also are you Baelish?
Nope, I've already bread crumbed really lightly who I am. I'll also say that if I am alive when we mass claim I'd gladly claim who I am, but might keep my faction under wraps until everyone else has claimed, because I might be able to catch someone lying about their faction.
Ya calling that 1053 always flips scum here because of #1474
These are your explanations?
It's weak. I don't understand the first and last post. What reactions are you talking about in the second, and why does that make them scum?
I’m scum because I didn’t pile onto your impression of a flailing emo drowning victim...
I don’t know what to think about you. You wouldn’t elaborate on your earlier Shin read when I asked you about it. You didn’t interact with me after I answered your question. I have a hard time reading your game right now, it’s all over the place and contradictory at times. D_v seems
Pretty Sure TM, and I’m leaning town there, but man.
What do you think of D_v’s new read on you?
@Tubba
Tell me then, Why am I town, without quoting anything I've said related to your idea that I was some flailing emo drowning victim, which to be fair, I find insulting
I’m scum because I didn’t pile onto your impression of a flailing emo drowning victim...
I don’t know what to think about you. You wouldn’t elaborate on your earlier Shin read when I asked you about it. You didn’t interact with me after I answered your question. I have a hard time reading your game right now, it’s all over the place and contradictory at times. D_v seems
Pretty Sure TM, and I’m leaning town there, but man.
What do you think of D_v’s new read on you?
So I checked your ISO. And I could be blind, but I don't think you've asked me any questions this game at all. Maybe you're mixing me up with Wisp?
Sorry, I didn't see this for some reason.
I've leaned towards town this entire game, but part of me's worried I could just be giving him a pass. I'm aware his manner of posting is scummy. It's really not at all different from how I've seen him play as town though. I don't like that I have to give him passes for his play, but lynching him for something NAI doesn't sit well with me. There are two things that make me mainly lean him towards being town - the vocabulary used in his commentary (it's bold), and his earlier comment on wanting to appoint D_V for the Iron Throne so that he could clear his alignment (even though he misunderstood how the mechanic worked, it struck me as an excessive thought if it came from scum). Him also repeatedly not understanding how the Iron Throne mechanic works may also suggest he's working independently (not knowing who his allies are).
Objectively speaking, Shinichi is LHF. So rather than me strongly townreading him, it's for that I'm most hesitant in lynching him.
Been having second thoughts on Shinichi, but then I remembered him attacking Rodemy for the possibility of using stress to not post (something along those lines), which seemed excessive as scum.
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@Tubba
also can you give me a lean list? like just names, I dont need you to make this super elaborate reasoning on anyone, I just want to see where you are at, as there are two days left to day 1
As for D_V's read of me, it seems primarily based on my scumread of Wisp and defense of Shinichi. I don't know what to think of it alone, but I think D_V is town. If not before recent events, he's town now because of his mechanical speculation that will have to come out into the open eventually.
I don't think he's given me any time of day though. But we disagree on my strongest scumread, so that's not unreasonable.
I'm also really curious where you are getting this idea that I haven't interacted with you. I've responded to everything you've said that's relevant to me.
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As for D_V's read of me, it seems primarily based on my scumread of Wisp and defense of Shinichi. I don't know what to think of it alone, but I think D_V is town. If not before recent events, he's town now because of his mechanical speculation that will have to come out into the open eventually.
I don't think he's given me any time of day though. But we disagree on my strongest scumread, so that's not unreasonable.
I'm also really curious where you are getting this idea that I haven't interacted with you. I've responded to everything you've said that's relevant to me.
weirdly im doing the same (want to kill last, shin seems town) and his read on me seems to be partially based on some made up perception i just want to kill my faction?
Idk theres a certain kind of internal consistency there
As for D_V's read of me, it seems primarily based on my scumread of Wisp and defense of Shinichi. I don't know what to think of it alone, but I think D_V is town. If not before recent events, he's town now because of his mechanical speculation that will have to come out into the open eventually.
I don't think he's given me any time of day though. But we disagree on my strongest scumread, so that's not unreasonable.
I'm also really curious where you are getting this idea that I haven't interacted with you. I've responded to everything you've said that's relevant to me.
weirdly im doing the same (want to kill last, shin seems town) and his read on me seems to be partially based on some made up perception i just want to kill my faction?
Idk theres a certain kind of internal consistency there
ive come the conclusion that you are just actively going for your alt win-con knowing that there's a good chance one of me or shin is scum
Im still ready to die, but no one will vote me anymore
As for D_V's read of me, it seems primarily based on my scumread of Wisp and defense of Shinichi. I don't know what to think of it alone, but I think D_V is town. If not before recent events, he's town now because of his mechanical speculation that will have to come out into the open eventually.
I don't think he's given me any time of day though. But we disagree on my strongest scumread, so that's not unreasonable.
I'm also really curious where you are getting this idea that I haven't interacted with you. I've responded to everything you've said that's relevant to me.
weirdly im doing the same (want to kill last, shin seems town) and his read on me seems to be partially based on some made up perception i just want to kill my faction?
Idk theres a certain kind of internal consistency there
ive come the conclusion that you are just actively going for your alt win-con knowing that there's a good chance one of me or shin is scum
Im still ready to die, but no one will vote me anymore
i mean thinking theres scum in the faction is towards my main wincon lol
Killing scum from the faction first is towards one of ours imo
Other faction doesnt directly have anything to do with it atm but thats going to plan so far as well
Yeah still taking nothing from whatever DV is softing.
He has less than 6 names on a list and is somehow townreading someone not on it?
Not scummy from dv or anything but thats a no from me dawg
Yeah this is your mechanical inability to play the game coming into play.
That isn't whats going on here. I'd ask you to reread it, but you don't seem to understand.
I have a list and I knew prior to the game starting of some factions that people on that list might be on, and combined with my role I would believe that there is scum on that list.
Because of this the other members of the faction not being included IE wisp and KJ are dramatically reduced if not zero.
This is a much stronger clear than my clears I tried in Ghostbusters, I think I deserve some credit here.
IDK why I'm bothering though, you never value anything I have to say so whats the point. Go ahead lynch Wisp, he'll flip town I'll be pissed because I'll know I was right and you'll just carry on, and next game you'll do the exact same thing with me. You don't value my opinion at all, and I'm sick of trying I guess.
@D_V
I'm just having trouble buying that there is a [town] role out there that could point towards certain players being scum pre-game.
Is there any information you could provide on other players, using the same logic?
Like, just by skimming your ISO, you expressed suspicion of Wisp for quite a bit of time. So this appears to be a theory you've developed along the way, like mechanical speculation based on faulty or very limited information.
If it's based on information you had pre-game, why is it only coming up now, if the logic behind it is that straightforward?
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As for D_V's read of me, it seems primarily based on my scumread of Wisp and defense of Shinichi. I don't know what to think of it alone, but I think D_V is town. If not before recent events, he's town now because of his mechanical speculation that will have to come out into the open eventually.
I don't think he's given me any time of day though. But we disagree on my strongest scumread, so that's not unreasonable.
I'm also really curious where you are getting this idea that I haven't interacted with you. I've responded to everything you've said that's relevant to me.
weirdly im doing the same (want to kill last, shin seems town) and his read on me seems to be partially based on some made up perception i just want to kill my faction?
Idk theres a certain kind of internal consistency there
Just gonna claim a faction v faction based wincon cuz I'm trying to setupgame but it's hard because i dont know the alignments of folk in my faction or identities/ alignments of the faction we're allied against but won't stop me from trying
Anyway overall I'm expecting scum to be in separate factions so rarely multiple scum in the same one...
There should be some all town factions too but yeah
You've literally stated the reason that I'm questioning Re's reads, but you forgot that you said it yourself, because you don't care about winning.
You're asking us to trust you over information we don't have and over something you didn't appear to be certain of until some time passed during this phase, despite the fact that information was available to you from the start.
I don't think it's unreasonable to be skeptical of your stance on Wisp.
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I'm just having trouble buying that there is a [town] role out there that could point towards certain players being scum pre-game.
Is there any information you could provide on other players, using the same logic?
Like, just by skimming your ISO, you expressed suspicion of Wisp for quite a bit of time. So this appears to be a theory you've developed along the way, like mechanical speculation based on faulty or very limited information.
If it's based on information you had pre-game, why is it only coming up now, if the logic behind it is that straightforward?
Its not straight forward, information in game helped develop this read. IE Wisp claiming who was in his faction which made me reconsider.
Basically, my logic which I guess you don't get based on your scum/town list is that there will not be multiple scum in the same faction. The list of names I was given makes sense to me to include one scum, and thus with two names from the same faction already given to me, it seems unlikely that Wisp or KJ is scum.
Alignment: Town
Flavor: Arya Stark
Passive: No one: "Can only be targeted by killing abilities"
House: Stark
House Mates: Shin, Tom, Me, KJ
Alt Win-cons:
Winter is Coming: Achieved if two of more of your faction is alive at end game
The North Remembers: Eliminate two Lannisters or two Frey players (at least %50 of your living faction must be on the train, or you or a member of your faction targeted them with an ability that killed them
I full claimed to remove this disparity between DV and his OoG information, since I know exactly what he did, and I will assure you, that there is no correlation
@D_V
I'm just having trouble buying that there is a [town] role out there that could point towards certain players being scum pre-game.
Is there any information you could provide on other players, using the same logic?
Like, just by skimming your ISO, you expressed suspicion of Wisp for quite a bit of time. So this appears to be a theory you've developed along the way, like mechanical speculation based on faulty or very limited information.
If it's based on information you had pre-game, why is it only coming up now, if the logic behind it is that straightforward?
Its not straight forward, information in game helped develop this read. IE Wisp claiming who was in his faction which made me reconsider.
Basically, my logic which I guess you don't get based on your scum/town list is that there will not be multiple scum in the same faction. The list of names I was given makes sense to me to include one scum, and thus with two names from the same faction already given to me, it seems unlikely that Wisp or KJ is scum.
@D_V
I'm just having trouble buying that there is a [town] role out there that could point towards certain players being scum pre-game.
Is there any information you could provide on other players, using the same logic?
Like, just by skimming your ISO, you expressed suspicion of Wisp for quite a bit of time. So this appears to be a theory you've developed along the way, like mechanical speculation based on faulty or very limited information.
If it's based on information you had pre-game, why is it only coming up now, if the logic behind it is that straightforward?
Its not straight forward, information in game helped develop this read. IE Wisp claiming who was in his faction which made me reconsider.
Basically, my logic which I guess you don't get based on your scum/town list is that there will not be multiple scum in the same faction. The list of names I was given makes sense to me to include one scum, and thus with two names from the same faction already given to me, it seems unlikely that Wisp or KJ is scum.
I full claimed to remove this disparity between DV and his OoG information, since I know exactly what he did, and I will assure you, that there is no correlation
I actually had no idea what you're talking about...
I full claimed to remove this disparity between DV and his OoG information, since I know exactly what he did, and I will assure you, that there is no correlation
I actually had no idea what you're talking about...
Its not straight forward, information in game helped develop this read. IE Wisp claiming who was in his faction which made me reconsider.
Basically, my logic which I guess you don't get based on your scum/town list is that there will not be multiple scum in the same faction. The list of names I was given makes sense to me to include one scum, and thus with two names from the same faction already given to me, it seems unlikely that Wisp or KJ is scum.
Sorry, I'm confused. Gonna try to paraphrase in my own terms so you can tell me if I'm right or wrong.
You were given a list of names in the beginning of the game (no more than 6 of them). You knew which factions those players could belong to (but you're not 100% certain?) How many scum on that list do you think there are, or are you guessing there is at least one? Are you also claiming that there will not be multiple scum in a single faction? Is this mechanical speculation, or something you know for certain?
tom and Shinichi are also on that list, but KJ and Wisp are not. Because you think there is scum on the list you were given, if any one of Shinichi or tom are scum, the likelihood of KJ and Wisp being scum go down. That's your logic?
To me, this seems flawed. If you don't know how many scum are on that list, and the list is somewhere between 3-6 players, then isn't it possible that the scum on it isn't tom or Shinichi?
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Its not straight forward, information in game helped develop this read. IE Wisp claiming who was in his faction which made me reconsider.
Basically, my logic which I guess you don't get based on your scum/town list is that there will not be multiple scum in the same faction. The list of names I was given makes sense to me to include one scum, and thus with two names from the same faction already given to me, it seems unlikely that Wisp or KJ is scum.
Sorry, I'm confused. Gonna try to paraphrase in my own terms so you can tell me if I'm right or wrong.
You were given a list of names in the beginning of the game (no more than 6 of them). You knew which factions those players could belong to (but you're not 100% certain?) How many scum on that list do you think there are, or are you guessing there is at least one? Are you also claiming that there will not be multiple scum in a single faction? Is this mechanical speculation, or something you know for certain?
tom and Shinichi are also on that list, but KJ and Wisp are not. Because you think there is scum on the list you were given, if any one of Shinichi or tom are scum, the likelihood of KJ and Wisp being scum go down. That's your logic?
To me, this seems flawed. If you don't know how many scum are on that list, and the list is somewhere between 3-6 players, then isn't it possible that the scum on it isn't tom or Shinichi?
I'm not giving you the full story, you're going to have to accept there is information I have that makes me more sure of this.
I'm not saying its not impossible, I just think its highly improbable. I even said that in the quote where I used the word unlikely.
Well, I thought that faction was the Starks, based on how many players were in it. Also the fact tom claimed 2 factions and there are a couple people in the Stark family who could fit in more than one house.
Also, Wisp's role seems to be an ascetic. So I could be confbiasing here, but there was an ascetic role in one of the team games last year, and it was discussed either in discord or in one of the threads that it's mechanically correct for ascetics to claim day 1, in order not to interfere with town abilities.
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Why did you not want to claim?
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Because I wanted to be petty
and I did not know that, or see a reason why?
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That's it?
If you want a translation - I can't work with pettiness. But if he's town, it's a good thing he claimed.
I could potentially work with your mechanical speculation though. But I need a bit more time to think about it.
Since no matter what Wisp's alignment is, he's been half-assing it for a while, and I'm inclined to label that is defeated scum who's posting for the sake of wine or the chance that he might actually not get lynched today due to inactivity. But I don't know. It's not the fact that he's complaining about being scumread that bothers me, it's that he's being petty about everything, and using that as an excuse not to give proper answers. It's selfish. And I don't think town!Wisp is that selfish, not in recent games at least.
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Because I wanted to be petty
and I did not know that, or see a reason why?
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That's it?
If you want a translation - I can't work with pettiness. But if he's town, it's a good thing he claimed.
I could potentially work with your mechanical speculation though. But I need a bit more time to think about it.
Since no matter what Wisp's alignment is, he's been half-assing it for a while, and I'm inclined to label that is defeated scum who's posting for the sake of wine or the chance that he might actually not get lynched today due to inactivity. But I don't know. It's not the fact that he's complaining about being scumread that bothers me, it's that he's being petty about everything, and using that as an excuse not to give proper answers. It's selfish. And I don't think town!Wisp is that selfish, not in recent games at least.
Ahhh.
And I do think he can be that selfish.
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I was going to post a longer thing, but I realized that more than half of what I was saying could be applied to my read on Ghost. You and I are voting for near identical reasons, on different people.
Since no matter what Wisp's alignment is, he's been half-assing it for a while,
Where have I half-assed? no seriously? is my lack of thoughts on my reads? cause I believe everything I have said
and I'm inclined to label that is defeated scum who's posting for the sake of wine or the chance that he might actually not get lynched today due to inactivity.
I have never played that in any one of my scum games... LITERALLY NONE OF THEM
It's not the fact that he's complaining about being scumread that bothers me, it's that he's being petty about everything,
I DONT CARE ABOUT THE SCUM READS ON ME, I CARE ABOUT YOUR SCUM READ ON ME, YOU AND OSIE DO THE SAME ***** EVERY GOD DAMN GAME I PLAY IN
using that as an excuse not to give proper answers. It's selfish. And I don't think town!Wisp is that selfish, not in recent games at least.
did you want me to make up a reason? you are right I am selfish, I stopped giving a **** in half my games because every time I spend the time to explain my reads I get torn apart...
Tell me, what benefit have I ever gotten from going out of my way to be the town leader?
Who are my scum buddies? seriously? I want you, to build a 4 player team that makes sense with me in it
I don't need to explain my reads, I literally don't, it's not even about being petty, it's pointless, cause the chances of me catching scum in any of the big players are slim, and the group of players that are lurking arent doing anything explicitly scummy, you all won't ******* move off Grape, me, or shin, and nothing I will say or do will change that
I have given my thoughts on Shin, I have given thoughts on Grape, I have given thoughts on Kami, I have given thoughts on Tubba, I have given thoughts on 1053, I have given thoughts on Highroller, I have given thoughts on DV, I have given thoughts on Cantrip, I have given thoughts Tom, and others, so dont tell me that I havent done anything, the last thing I gave a ***** about last week was this game with all the work I had to do... but you know what, I still did it, so do not tell me I am not putting effort this game
look at Chad, he has been outlandishly scummy, I have attacked his posts, but I also am acknowledging his meta because I know he is mislynch bait
exactly what benefit do I get from TMIing on him if I am scum? I already proved that I can attack his posts, the only world where I am scum is the one where I am scum with Shin, and in that world, from a logical point of view you should always be voting him
@RE
anyways you better start taking notes on the people on my wagon, because an information lynch is all you are getting if I still manage to get lynched
That, @Highroller:, was me thinking "Hey, maybe Shadow was playing around when Rod did his daykill (or was faking one) to just add flavor to the game. And he just decided not to do it for anyone elses just cuz. Maybe it doesn't have game relevence."
So I did a boldy thing to see what kinda response I would get. Turns out Rod is not faking using an ability.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Where have I half-assed? no seriously? is my lack of thoughts on my reads? cause I believe everything I have said
I asked you to explain 1053 and Tubba. When you said you already did, I searched for it, and what you said about them was vague. I questioned you on this, no response. You did the same thing for when I asked you about your read on me.
I have never played that in any one of my scum games... LITERALLY NONE OF THEM
Well, if I come out of this without a scumread on you, it's for your AtE.
I DONT CARE ABOUT THE SCUM READS ON ME, I CARE ABOUT YOUR SCUM READ ON ME, YOU AND OSIE DO THE SAME ***** EVERY GOD DAMN GAME I PLAY IN
This is false. I haven't scumread you as town in ages. Pull up a game where I was town, and you were town, and I scumread you this much. I don't think it exists.
did you want me to make up a reason? you are right I am selfish, I stopped giving a **** in half my games because every time I spend the time to explain my reads I get torn apart...
That's literally mafia. I don't think I've ever found mafia truly enjoyable. It's more of a satisfying game than anything.
Tell me, what benefit have I ever gotten from going out of my way to be the town leader?
Who are my scum buddies? seriously? I want you, to build a 4 player team that makes sense with me in it
Most of the players on the lower half of my reads list would fit, probably not Rhand though. While you've voted a number of people, most of it has been one-sided (so the interactions aren't as telling).
Being a town leader should be an subconscious thing, really. If you're confident in your reads, you automatically push them harder, and with decent reasoning (hopefully) to convince others. Otherwise, if you're forcing yourself, or if it's just for the sake of competition with others, then that usually spells bad news for town since most of the time the posts won't be rational. You can still play a good game without being town leader. And you can still have a bad game being town leader too, if scum's got you pocketed. I'm not asking you to be a town leader, if that's what you're thinking.
I don't need to explain my reads, I literally don't, it's not even about being petty, it's pointless, cause the chances of me catching scum in any of the big players are slim, and the group of players that are lurking arent doing anything explicitly scummy, you all won't ******* move off Grape, me, or shin, and nothing I will say or do will change that
I have given my thoughts on Shin, I have given thoughts on Grape, I have given thoughts on Kami, I have given thoughts on Tubba, I have given thoughts on 1053, I have given thoughts on Highroller, I have given thoughts on DV, I have given thoughts on Cantrip, I have given thoughts Tom, and others, so dont tell me that I havent done anything, the last thing I gave a ***** about last week was this game with all the work I had to do... but you know what, I still did it, so do not tell me I am not putting effort this game
It's not pointless, unless you are just going to repeat yourself. I've asked for you to be more specific at times, is all, for the reads you gave I didn't understand, or at least didn't understand your level of confidence in.
look at Chad, he has been outlandishly scummy, I have attacked his posts, but I also am acknowledging his meta because I know he is mislynch bait
exactly what benefit do I get from TMIing on him if I am scum? I already proved that I can attack his posts, the only world where I am scum is the one where I am scum with Shin, and in that world, from a logical point of view you should always be voting him
This logic doesn't make sense to me, but that's not relevant.
Could you refute the points I've brought up in favor of a town!Shinichi? Directed at anyone, actually, who wants to lynch Shinichi. (Shinichi threatening Rodemy if he was going to use stress in order to not post and him frequently messing up the mechanic behind how the Iron Throne works, one time by wanting to vote D_V to solve his alignment. I think as scum, he wouldn't push Rodemy for something like that, because it personal, and as scum, he should have been more familiar with the mechanic based on the usual strategic discussion in the wolf chat.)
Also explain the 1053 read to me. I think they've had the opposite trend for me, where they've gotten townier from earlier, based on an increasing number of behavioral reads and their explanation for finding me sketchy was reasonable.
And directly state your read of me. Think that's part of the reason I find you scummy, because it seems like you're seeking my approval but are holding out on taking a solid stance on me.
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It's weak. I don't understand the first and last post. What reactions are you talking about in the second, and why does that make them scum?
What I got from your explanation is that there is no mechanical clear.
It's nearing the end of Day 1 after 32 pages and at one point there were 7 people not voting. There was a legitimate concern of there not even being a lynch today due to the inactivity. So yes, obviously I'm looking for a lynch. Would you prefer we not have one? That's NAI at this point.
Were I actually floating around with my vote, suspicion would be justified, except for the fact that I'm doing the exact opposite of that. With the exception of the LnGrrrR incident, I've consistently been on LastWhisper and Shinichi. I've been doing anything but floating around with my vote.
Well now, that's interesting.
You have, on the other hand, had time to answer my question.
Here it is again:
Its the way he's bouncing. What I mean is that he hasn't justified it very well on either vote. Its basically one line of text and "We should lynch" and then he moves on.
Its a mechanical reason for clearing.
Eventually one of these days people are going to listen to me on these things.
Clearly more than 2.
Clearly less than 18.
I don't have examples off hand but I can remember him pulling the I don't want to be here shtick in recent games, I can look back if you really want. I don't have examples of him not doing it as scum but it's not behavior I'd expect.
How about this is it more than 6? I understand you not wanting to leak more information but I'm trying to get a grasp on what you're claiming here.
Also are you Baelish?
Nope, I've already bread crumbed really lightly who I am. I'll also say that if I am alive when we mass claim I'd gladly claim who I am, but might keep my faction under wraps until everyone else has claimed, because I might be able to catch someone lying about their faction.
Its not more than six either.
I’m scum because I didn’t pile onto your impression of a flailing emo drowning victim...
I don’t know what to think about you. You wouldn’t elaborate on your earlier Shin read when I asked you about it. You didn’t interact with me after I answered your question. I have a hard time reading your game right now, it’s all over the place and contradictory at times. D_v seems
Pretty Sure TM, and I’m leaning town there, but man.
What do you think of D_v’s new read on you?
Tell me then, Why am I town, without quoting anything I've said related to your idea that I was some flailing emo drowning victim, which to be fair, I find insulting
I've also elaborated on Shinichi plenty:
also can you give me a lean list? like just names, I dont need you to make this super elaborate reasoning on anyone, I just want to see where you are at, as there are two days left to day 1
I don't think he's given me any time of day though. But we disagree on my strongest scumread, so that's not unreasonable.
I'm also really curious where you are getting this idea that I haven't interacted with you. I've responded to everything you've said that's relevant to me.
I'm really confused
He has less than 6 names on a list and is somehow townreading someone not on it?
Not scummy from dv or anything but thats a no from me dawg
Idk theres a certain kind of internal consistency there
Im still ready to die, but no one will vote me anymore
Killing scum from the faction first is towards one of ours imo
Other faction doesnt directly have anything to do with it atm but thats going to plan so far as well
Yeah this is your mechanical inability to play the game coming into play.
That isn't whats going on here. I'd ask you to reread it, but you don't seem to understand.
I have a list and I knew prior to the game starting of some factions that people on that list might be on, and combined with my role I would believe that there is scum on that list.
Because of this the other members of the faction not being included IE wisp and KJ are dramatically reduced if not zero.
This is a much stronger clear than my clears I tried in Ghostbusters, I think I deserve some credit here.
IDK why I'm bothering though, you never value anything I have to say so whats the point. Go ahead lynch Wisp, he'll flip town I'll be pissed because I'll know I was right and you'll just carry on, and next game you'll do the exact same thing with me. You don't value my opinion at all, and I'm sick of trying I guess.
I'm just having trouble buying that there is a [town] role out there that could point towards certain players being scum pre-game.
Is there any information you could provide on other players, using the same logic?
Like, just by skimming your ISO, you expressed suspicion of Wisp for quite a bit of time. So this appears to be a theory you've developed along the way, like mechanical speculation based on faulty or very limited information.
If it's based on information you had pre-game, why is it only coming up now, if the logic behind it is that straightforward?
You've literally stated the reason that I'm questioning Re's reads, but you forgot that you said it yourself, because you don't care about winning.
Votes : Shinichi > Wisp > Shin > Wisp > Grape > DV > Wisp
But I can't for a moment imagine where I've gotten the impression that you're trying to lynch your own faction. No idea at all.
I don't think it's unreasonable to be skeptical of your stance on Wisp.
Its not straight forward, information in game helped develop this read. IE Wisp claiming who was in his faction which made me reconsider.
Basically, my logic which I guess you don't get based on your scum/town list is that there will not be multiple scum in the same faction. The list of names I was given makes sense to me to include one scum, and thus with two names from the same faction already given to me, it seems unlikely that Wisp or KJ is scum.
knock yourselves out with that information
DV looks at Ghostbusters.
Looks back here.
Go on.
I actually had no idea what you're talking about...
But I have an idea now.
It wasn't that, but lol.
I've never claimed to know your character name.
I wondered if that was it, but wasn't sure.
nvm then lmao
You were given a list of names in the beginning of the game (no more than 6 of them). You knew which factions those players could belong to (but you're not 100% certain?) How many scum on that list do you think there are, or are you guessing there is at least one? Are you also claiming that there will not be multiple scum in a single faction? Is this mechanical speculation, or something you know for certain?
tom and Shinichi are also on that list, but KJ and Wisp are not. Because you think there is scum on the list you were given, if any one of Shinichi or tom are scum, the likelihood of KJ and Wisp being scum go down. That's your logic?
To me, this seems flawed. If you don't know how many scum are on that list, and the list is somewhere between 3-6 players, then isn't it possible that the scum on it isn't tom or Shinichi?
I'm not giving you the full story, you're going to have to accept there is information I have that makes me more sure of this.
I'm not saying its not impossible, I just think its highly improbable. I even said that in the quote where I used the word unlikely.
Also, Wisp's role seems to be an ascetic. So I could be confbiasing here, but there was an ascetic role in one of the team games last year, and it was discussed either in discord or in one of the threads that it's mechanically correct for ascetics to claim day 1, in order not to interfere with town abilities.
@Wisp
Why did you not want to claim?
and I did not know that, or see a reason why?
That's it?
I could potentially work with your mechanical speculation though. But I need a bit more time to think about it.
Since no matter what Wisp's alignment is, he's been half-assing it for a while, and I'm inclined to label that is defeated scum who's posting for the sake of wine or the chance that he might actually not get lynched today due to inactivity. But I don't know. It's not the fact that he's complaining about being scumread that bothers me, it's that he's being petty about everything, and using that as an excuse not to give proper answers. It's selfish. And I don't think town!Wisp is that selfish, not in recent games at least.
Ahhh.
And I do think he can be that selfish.
Unvote
I was going to post a longer thing, but I realized that more than half of what I was saying could be applied to my read on Ghost. You and I are voting for near identical reasons, on different people.
I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.
Vote Shinichi
Sorry listening to Ghost the band and hungry with a headache.
Where have I half-assed? no seriously? is my lack of thoughts on my reads? cause I believe everything I have said
and I'm inclined to label that is defeated scum who's posting for the sake of wine or the chance that he might actually not get lynched today due to inactivity.
I have never played that in any one of my scum games... LITERALLY NONE OF THEM
It's not the fact that he's complaining about being scumread that bothers me, it's that he's being petty about everything,
I DONT CARE ABOUT THE SCUM READS ON ME, I CARE ABOUT YOUR SCUM READ ON ME, YOU AND OSIE DO THE SAME ***** EVERY GOD DAMN GAME I PLAY IN
using that as an excuse not to give proper answers. It's selfish. And I don't think town!Wisp is that selfish, not in recent games at least.
did you want me to make up a reason? you are right I am selfish, I stopped giving a **** in half my games because every time I spend the time to explain my reads I get torn apart...
Tell me, what benefit have I ever gotten from going out of my way to be the town leader?
Who are my scum buddies? seriously? I want you, to build a 4 player team that makes sense with me in it
I don't need to explain my reads, I literally don't, it's not even about being petty, it's pointless, cause the chances of me catching scum in any of the big players are slim, and the group of players that are lurking arent doing anything explicitly scummy, you all won't ******* move off Grape, me, or shin, and nothing I will say or do will change that
I have given my thoughts on Shin, I have given thoughts on Grape, I have given thoughts on Kami, I have given thoughts on Tubba, I have given thoughts on 1053, I have given thoughts on Highroller, I have given thoughts on DV, I have given thoughts on Cantrip, I have given thoughts Tom, and others, so dont tell me that I havent done anything, the last thing I gave a ***** about last week was this game with all the work I had to do... but you know what, I still did it, so do not tell me I am not putting effort this game
look at Chad, he has been outlandishly scummy, I have attacked his posts, but I also am acknowledging his meta because I know he is mislynch bait
exactly what benefit do I get from TMIing on him if I am scum? I already proved that I can attack his posts, the only world where I am scum is the one where I am scum with Shin, and in that world, from a logical point of view you should always be voting him
anyways you better start taking notes on the people on my wagon, because an information lynch is all you are getting if I still manage to get lynched
So I did a boldy thing to see what kinda response I would get. Turns out Rod is not faking using an ability.
Being a town leader should be an subconscious thing, really. If you're confident in your reads, you automatically push them harder, and with decent reasoning (hopefully) to convince others. Otherwise, if you're forcing yourself, or if it's just for the sake of competition with others, then that usually spells bad news for town since most of the time the posts won't be rational. You can still play a good game without being town leader. And you can still have a bad game being town leader too, if scum's got you pocketed. I'm not asking you to be a town leader, if that's what you're thinking. It's not pointless, unless you are just going to repeat yourself. I've asked for you to be more specific at times, is all, for the reads you gave I didn't understand, or at least didn't understand your level of confidence in. This logic doesn't make sense to me, but that's not relevant.
Could you refute the points I've brought up in favor of a town!Shinichi? Directed at anyone, actually, who wants to lynch Shinichi. (Shinichi threatening Rodemy if he was going to use stress in order to not post and him frequently messing up the mechanic behind how the Iron Throne works, one time by wanting to vote D_V to solve his alignment. I think as scum, he wouldn't push Rodemy for something like that, because it personal, and as scum, he should have been more familiar with the mechanic based on the usual strategic discussion in the wolf chat.)
Also explain the 1053 read to me. I think they've had the opposite trend for me, where they've gotten townier from earlier, based on an increasing number of behavioral reads and their explanation for finding me sketchy was reasonable.
And directly state your read of me. Think that's part of the reason I find you scummy, because it seems like you're seeking my approval but are holding out on taking a solid stance on me.
unvote: Wisp