ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh theres the post that chris is talking about........................................
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still believe DV should be a town read and you should be reading HR as scum it makes no sense for you to think hes town when he seems so sure your scum. You should be pushing a world where hes scum instead of trying to make him look more town.
ya, this reeks of a narrative, get out of here bro? Im quite I already commented on this, but I couldn't find the post
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@DV
First of all, in my attempt to find this post, I kept thinking it was about Rodemy... I was ctrl +f'ing "Rodemy" in his ISO... to find this
I'm sorry but if I had narrative I wouldn't push it using you of all people, sheesh i am better than that lol. I still however don't see the problem with my post because ive explained my logic over and over.
I'm trying to write a 10-page paper right now, so give me a break, or just lynch me today, I'll be consistently busy throughout the week.
Get that grade.
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We should maybe elect two people?
IE split our votes so if the the first one gets NK'd it isn't someone random? Or scum controlled?
what do you mean?
ummm.
Throne Elections?
Instead of just one person that the town tries to elect we try and elect two? Split our votes in an agreed way?
IDK. Sounds like work though.
Thats fine but if anything I am voting vaimes or you, mostly leaning towards vaimes for being sane XD.
Though the split votes help mafia more so espically if the iron throne only has to deal with town getting the throne, what i the split ote leads to mafia being the iron throne.
As for wwhatever you have to say on sir chris, remind you i've never played with him so if your gonna give me some bs reason as to why he whatever alignment he is this game I don't wanna hear nor do i care about someone else meta read on a player. As of right now he hasnt done much for me to say hey this guy is town there he is scum. Also your logic on LW makes no sense because this entire time i've been trying to explain to my brother that his read on roemy is wrong and that the slot is more likely scum so why would I have wisp as scum and rod as town. It doesn't make sense it be a huge contradiction and over sight on my part.
Also your wrong because I contradict myself a lot because I have a poor memory, my alignment would not affect that whatsoever.
I think your reading too much into my rainbow read list that was just something i made in like 10 minutes with very weak reasoning.
You haven't played with me enough to be able to stand by this read your bolstering about it.
So this is one of Shin's attempts to reply to Chris' push. And he seems to not fully understand the push, but I think his reply makes it obvious that he believes the issue is his read on LW. Shin is scatterbrained but he's not stupid.
If anything it just means wisp is scum with ROD, I don't find it that contradictory. Unless your somehow your certain ROD will flip scum which then I would have to ask how you have aquired that information.
For now Rod is scum and Wisp is town. You can read into whatever you want about that post, but that is my read.
And here is a similar reply to DV. He's still not explaining his Rod read, but it's clear that he doesn't grasp why he's being pushed and doesn't base his read on Rod on Wisp's read on Rod.
Oh I defitainly didn't understand the situation fully that's my fault, i am def scatter brained though :P. Oh its not that i don't grasp the push, it's that i don't care. Come on GF when have i ever cared about being pushed, i can stay calm through most situations.
I still believe DV should be a town read and you should be reading HR as scum it makes no sense for you to think hes town when he seems so sure your scum. You should be pushing a world where hes scum instead of trying to make him look more town. His meta reads hold as much weight as your read on rodemy which means it holds very little. I disagree that pushing a large case on someone makes them scum becauses its no different than you cosantly pushing that rodemy is town why cant you see that?
I think your wrong about rodemy.
I find the bold section much more alarming. That feels like something you'd say in scum chat to a buddy.
@Shin please explain why Wisp should be basing his read on HR entirely on HR's read on him?
Logically you shouldn't town read something that's scum reading you that hard especially when you yourself know you are a town. At least that is what i am getting at when i made that post. Also tsk tsk grape, i think i am capable of differentiating with scum chat and game chat.
Naturally, mafia will have to weigh the potential risks of their kill bouncing or being tracked/watched if they go after a really towny player in a closed setup.
Ehh mafia would always just go for a shot on someone they believe iis a pr.
Five minutes ago working on that wall I felt LW. Now I have them at about even with gut saying Wisp. Who do you think?
@Wisp that's probably because I'm coming back to thread after roughly 36 hours away.
What does my detached feeling say about my alignment?
not town
There is only one option for my alignment.
1. V
There is only two options for you scum reading me.
1. You're scum trying to push me.
2. You're wrong.
See how helpful that sort of reply is...
Yep yep this guy is totally not scum with this kind of reply, however silly his post is yours didn't really do much either. I just found it really funny XD.
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@Shin But you obviously did care enough to reply to Chris' push multiple times from both Chris and DV. So I'm not buying the "I totally understood but didn't care" argument. I'm not trying to say you viewed it as an existential threat or anything but for you to reply to the same thing that many times shows you did care. Also you say within 20 words that you didn't "understand the situation fully" and "Oh its not that i don't grasp the push". So like it can't be both...
I like you but it's decidedly frustrating to play with someone who can't even avoid contradicting themselves within 1 post. Anyway setting that aside talk to me about this:
I still believe DV should be a town read and you should be reading HR as scum it makes no sense for you to think hes town when he seems so sure your scum. You should be pushing a world where hes scum instead of trying to make him look more town. His meta reads hold as much weight as your read on rodemy which means it holds very little. I disagree that pushing a large case on someone makes them scum becauses its no different than you cosantly pushing that rodemy is town why cant you see that?
My strongest opinion on DV right now is he's not with rod.
He could be with shin or last. Less likely last tbh but neither super unlikely DV can definitely mix it up with partners.
I dont think he can interact with two other people about a read on a buddy without showing any agenda about it
Ya, of course, cause he town and so am I, unless somehow this dude is powerwolfing me as his scum buddy.
@LnG I have no reason to suspect you other than being a factionless player with a redacted secondary win con. I don't think you are scum, but I don't believe you are benign either. Both of the things you have claimed are red flags. For others the fact that you were willing to claim them outweighs the scary aspects of your claim and puts you in town territory. That is not the case for me. But given that you're unlikely to be scum I'm more interested in pushing others for now.
Prob should go back and read his claim since i missed it. Either way no matter what type of third party he is the focus should be killing mafia on d1 or atleast trying to kill mafia.
@Grape
I wonder how mafia would be solved if we all just yelled about how townie we are, and "you cant read me"
anyways, I wish you could read me, because you clearly can't, I'm playing from a logical standpoint, and idk why this sin/last dichotomy even exists
If you think I am scum, I am always scum with Shin, that is the only logical explanation for the way I'm acting... If I am scum and hes town, I just stick with burying my brother, if I am town, I always 180 my read on him... You cant find his alignment based off logical analysis, and I would honestly rather see him at least live to day 2...
Ahhh you beat me to it Shin. And that's awful logic. I town read people pushing me all the time. I know you have in the past.
I am too quick for you, as for your above post I kinda just reply where I see fit. So for the Sir Chris thing was just replying where I wanted to, i wasn't trying to actually connect any dots.
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So pretend my vote is still on Shin, so that puts him at L2, from a gamestate POV, this is 90% of the time a mislynch, or theres the 10% where we are all right on shin for once, and even if thats true, there is always at least one Mafia on this train, unless you expect me to believe all 8 of us are town
Wish I could vote Tom today, but I already said he's not getting lynched today... *cries*
If you think I am scum, I am always scum with Shin, that is the only logical explanation for the way I'm acting... If I am scum and hes town, I just stick with burying my brother, if I am town, I always 180 my read on him... You cant find his alignment based off logical analysis, and I would honestly rather see him at least live to day 2...
I feel alright about "me/dv/etc made you feel awkward about mislynching shin and how bad you'd look so now you're using gut to cover up your TMI-related fake second thoughts"
If you think I am scum, I am always scum with Shin, that is the only logical explanation for the way I'm acting... If I am scum and hes town, I just stick with burying my brother, if I am town, I always 180 my read on him... You cant find his alignment based off logical analysis, and I would honestly rather see him at least live to day 2...
I feel alright about "me/dv/etc made you feel awkward about mislynching shin and how bad you'd look so now you're using gut to cover up your TMI-related fake second thoughts"
Yep, you caught me, and easy lynch that I was pushing from the start, backed off it because it gained traction... totally logical
If you think I am scum, I am always scum with Shin, that is the only logical explanation for the way I'm acting... If I am scum and hes town, I just stick with burying my brother, if I am town, I always 180 my read on him... You cant find his alignment based off logical analysis, and I would honestly rather see him at least live to day 2...
I feel alright about "me/dv/etc made you feel awkward about mislynching shin and how bad you'd look so now you're using gut to cover up your TMI-related fake second thoughts"
Yep, you caught me, and easy lynch that I was pushing from the start, backed off it because it gained traction... totally logical
its actually a little too logical since it coincided at least a little with me talking about scum in the faction which you never really commented on but sort of backed off him once it could bite you...
@Grape
I wonder how mafia would be solved if we all just yelled about how townie we are, and "you cant read me"
anyways, I wish you could read me, because you clearly can't, I'm playing from a logical standpoint, and idk why this sin/last dichotomy even exists
If you think I am scum, I am always scum with Shin, that is the only logical explanation for the way I'm acting... If I am scum and hes town, I just stick with burying my brother, if I am town, I always 180 my read on him... You cant find his alignment based off logical analysis, and I would honestly rather see him at least live to day 2...
It would be awful. That's why I only do it rarely and when I intend to be obnoxious. I detest when people use it reflexively and often.
I don't see any reason for you to have to be buddies with Shin. Or even to be buddies with him. Logically there are a huge number of reasons for you to flip flop as either alignment. But your stated reasoning seems to be you feel bad running your brother up. Unless I missed something or took something seriously that I shouldn't have. So your stance seems to have flipped not on logic or a read but on your OoG emotions. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway unless his game has changed this is your brother's town game. I'm shocked your confused about his alignment here. This is classic town!Shin. Wrong headed stances about mafia theory. Commenting on everything. Relatively agendaless. I don't see any reason at all to think he's scum, apart from Chris' push which I've masterfully discredited.
Also you two aren't a dichotomy. He's town. You're probably scum for being even more all over the place and reactionary than normal. I also think the way you've handled him in your recent turnaround on him feels like you know he'll flip town and you haven't been able to substantiate either read. I'd rather condemn RE than you but you're not a horrible option at this point.
@Shin Tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself. But to any one observing you making a quote pyramid replying to the same questions will believe that you cared. So telling us you didn't is a waste of your time.
@Grape
If you don't know the difference between voting someone intending to lynch them for a shaky claim and showing skepticism of the same claim but willing to hear it out first, I can't help you.
I haven't lied about my reasons for voting you. They were pretty straight forward. My reasons for suspecting you now have evolved though. Probably should read what you're referring to specifically, but this'll likely be the third all-nighter in a row I'll be pulling, so I'll do that first.
@Rodemy
If I missed this and you went for it already, my bad. But reaction tests, why didn't you???
@Shinichi
The last 2 squabbles I had with him, he was scum. Last game, we were both town and he expressed suspicion of me only once, for lurking. He was confirmed town (ish), but I was not.
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@Grape
If you don't know the difference between voting someone intending to lynch them for a shaky claim and showing skepticism of the same claim but willing to hear it out first, I can't help you.
I haven't lied about my reasons for voting you. They were pretty straight forward. My reasons for suspecting you now have evolved though. Probably should read what you're referring to specifically, but this'll likely be the third all-nighter in a row I'll be pulling, so I'll do that first.
@RE considering that you made one of the two pushes with me (LnG) you probably don't need to spend too much time deciding if it could come from town.
In honor of RSJT I kinda want to call that a slip and go ham with it but it's very obviously not one.
Considering my push of him and your push of him were made differently, and that you showed significantly less skepticism that his claim may have not been AI, and all together I barely pushed him and some of my reasoning for being wary of him was different from yours, I don't think us pushing the same person around the same time is very comparable.
Was it not clear that what I meant when I said I'd need to see if your pushes could come from town, I'd be taking how the push was made into account as well?
Yeah no. Having no faction is a big red flag for me and claiming to just have a town win con means I'mvery sure you're leaving information out. Means you've got something weird going on. Maybe not scum (as lacking a faction doesn't point to that) but worrying me.
Well, that's interesting. My first thought is, what a strange move for scum to make - claiming something unusual that'd undoubtedly draw attention. It's almost townie. But it's also not in the rulebook.
Each player will not only have a traditional Mafia alignment, but will also be a part of an ingame house or faction that has an alternate wincon (or wincons) that can be achieved in spite of or alongside your main factional win. You will know the members of your house/faction, and share a night chat with them (as such, use of discord is required for this game). You will not know their alignment, and flavor will be functionally random between the factions. It is possible for a player to win two ways.
This may call for an actual claim? Flavor claim, really. There shouldn't be any harm, after all, if LnGrrrR doesn't actually have an alternate win condition.
@RE as either alignment I'd expect you to engage. As town I'd less expect you to be as worried about defending the nuances of your read as opposed to the nuances of DV's behavior.
And cool, I'm glad we're on the same page on LnG. It's not scummy but it feels 3rd party-ish.
Totally different perspectives on it...
You voted him for it. I did not. That's the difference, and a big one.
@Wisp
Well-written post. I have thoughts but gonna wait until I get back onto the comp to give them.
Bullocks. Also like you can't grasp how a townie would ever vote him for that push but you've expressed zero suspicion of anyone except myself and Wisp for voting him.
@Wisp I think you've flipped your read because the wagon actually happened and that surprised you and will make you look bad. That's why I specifically called it TMI. As for why you're all over the place, first when aren't you? Second it's the way you play as town so not being hyperactive would be a drawback to your scum game. As for why I think this particular one is scummy it's the feeling of agenda under it. You're bouncing around talking about everything and every push you've made is on someone I'm getting town vibes from and full of unexplained confidence and bluster. On anything else you feel like you're scrabbling for anything that will stick.
Why are you giving me a meta example when you've yelled at anyone who has dared use meta to read you?
@Tom
idk, but I really dont like that, "**** it" vote, and I dont care much for DV's thoughts on the matter either
don't worry I've moved my vote back to you
well that doesnt change the existence of the post, or the fact that its scummy on an individual level
"I'll just pretend that this vote was really hard for me by adding some fake emotion to it"
I mean I don't have a definite correlation that proves it comes from Mafia more so than town, but all the instances I remember it in, mainly me saying it (Yay self meta), a game on MAL where Gwendolyn had used it to jump off her scum buddies wagon, and vote get a town lynched, and [redacted].
I'm notorious for asking this question; if/when I get lynched and flip town, who would you push based on current information, excluding Shin, who at this point is just beating a dead horse, with 9 days we have ample time to look at other people. (I am flipping town btw)
I am wishy-washy because all the people that seem to ping me, all end up looking towny (shin being an exception), and all the people that I have prematurely town read... don't look so great outside DV, and Highroller.
Grape did you ever catch up to me talking about my factions?
You asked my opinion on last/shin earlier assumed you hadn't got there
I had. I'm not sure what to make of it. I think Shadow is savvy enough that he's going to make the faction distribution relatively random. But I agree with you on the math because for any faction of 4 the numbers would supper 1>0>2 scum. I'm just not going to draw conclusions on it at this point. Anyway I asked because it felt like you were waffling between the two. What do you think of Shin at this point independent of faction math? Also just ranking in your claimed faction I'd have LW>KJ>Shin/You.
I'm going to drop a big fat "No", I pulled off the wagon initially because I didn't see Chris' reasoning as the right reasoning to vote Shin, and I still don't, the post that DV had pointed out had more scum!equity
and I am creating content, whether its the right content is up to you to decide
the only agenda I have is lynching scum, and trying to stop people from lynching town
not only did hate how Shin's train grew off the reasoning Chris pointed out, but I also hated how Grr's train grew for reasons that made no sense coming from a wolf, so I tmi'd two possible town as scum, then defended them for **** knows what reason
@Grape
I have no idea why you are treating the votes and suspicion on LnGrrrR as my only reasons for suspecting you and Wisp.
For the record, I hadn't actually revisited your pushes. Didn't have the time. You compared my reaction to LnGrrrR's claim and your own, I pointed out the difference.
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@Shinichi
The last 2 squabbles I had with him, he was scum. Last game, we were both town and he expressed suspicion of me only once, for lurking. He was confirmed town (ish), but I was not.
@Tom
idk, but I really dont like that, "**** it" vote, and I dont care much for DV's thoughts on the matter either
don't worry I've moved my vote back to you
well that doesnt change the existence of the post, or the fact that its scummy on an individual level
"I'll just pretend that this vote was really hard for me by adding some fake emotion to it"
I mean I don't have a definite correlation that proves it comes from Mafia more so than town, but all the instances I remember it in, mainly me saying it (Yay self meta), a game on MAL where Gwendolyn had used it to jump off her scum buddies wagon, and vote get a town lynched, and [redacted].
I'm notorious for asking this question; if/when I get lynched and flip town, who would you push based on current information, excluding Shin, who at this point is just beating a dead horse, with 9 days we have ample time to look at other people. (I am flipping town btw)
I am wishy-washy because all the people that seem to ping me, all end up looking towny (shin being an exception), and all the people that I have prematurely town read... don't look so great outside DV, and Highroller.
i think you misunderstood then
That vote was incredibly easy for me.
Currently I don't think your town flip would say a great deal (behaviorally that is, it has factional stuff implications of course, as would any <redacted> flips it's all pieces of puzzle)
Would probably scrutinize DV over it but Idk what conclusion would be. Also the upcoming votes on your wagon like it's pretty early in a wagon for this question even if i did find it likely I'd still have the same opinions by eod... let wagons happen my dude
@Grape
I have no idea why you are treating the votes and suspicion on LnGrrrR as my only reasons for suspecting you and Wisp.
For the record, I hadn't actually revisited your pushes. Didn't have the time. You compared my reaction to LnGrrrR's claim and your own, I pointed out the difference.
Because you said you were going to see if they could possibly come from town. And it's absurd that you're claiming the subtle difference between our handling of it is so significant that you see no way that it could ever come from town, but have no issue with DV or HR. Also you're just making crap up about LW. There are lot's of reasons to suspect him but he implicitly agreed with you and said the faction thing was a bad reason to vote him but he liked voting LnG anyway. You also started pushing me for reasons you never explained to my knowledge so that's why I have to go on.
And if you want to push Wisp for the way he handled LnG then that makes sense because his handling of it was truly bizarre and is one of the things bugging me about Wisp. And why I keep asking everyone about why they think my handling of LnG was scummy.
@Wisp let me get this straight. You suspected Shin the whole game. Then Chris made a case against him. And it gained momentum. You didn't think the case was a good way to read Shin. And then you felt that because that wagon grew fast, and the LnG wagon also grew fast it indicated to you that Shin must be town despite how scummy you found him. Is that roughly accurate?
@Shinichi
The last 2 squabbles I had with him, he was scum. Last game, we were both town and he expressed suspicion of me only once, for lurking. He was confirmed town (ish), but I was not.
Who you referring to here?
Oh. Did you mean Wisp?
If so, I take back what I said and can confirm we always fight. I thought you meant Grape.
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I don't like letting my wagon happen that's the problem, I'd rather pull off all suspicion on me as early as possible
and I'd ask that question whether I was at L8 or L2...
Why would you scrutinize DV?
also, you cant say, "**** it", and say the decision that came after it was easy... that's not how any of this works
Grape did you ever catch up to me talking about my factions?
You asked my opinion on last/shin earlier assumed you hadn't got there
I had. I'm not sure what to make of it. I think Shadow is savvy enough that he's going to make the faction distribution relatively random. But I agree with you on the math because for any faction of 4 the numbers would supper 1>0>2 scum. I'm just not going to draw conclusions on it at this point. Anyway I asked because it felt like you were waffling between the two. What do you think of Shin at this point independent of faction math? Also just ranking in your claimed faction I'd have LW>KJ>Shin/You.
Idk shin threw a bunch of words at the thread none of them mean that much to me
What I really want is to see if Chris wants to maintain that read. Like, we've got a week+ left is he gonna go look at some shin games?
But yes i moved my vote back to last I've got him as most likely again it's a fun little game im playing
@Grape
I have no idea why you are treating the votes and suspicion on LnGrrrR as my only reasons for suspecting you and Wisp.
For the record, I hadn't actually revisited your pushes. Didn't have the time. You compared my reaction to LnGrrrR's claim and your own, I pointed out the difference.
@Wisp let me get this straight. You suspected Shin the whole game. Then Chris made a case against him. And it gained momentum. You didn't think the case was a good way to read Shin. And then you felt that because that wagon grew fast, and the LnG wagon also grew fast it indicated to you that Shin must be town despite how scummy you found him. Is that roughly accurate?
@Shinichi
The last 2 squabbles I had with him, he was scum. Last game, we were both town and he expressed suspicion of me only once, for lurking. He was confirmed town (ish), but I was not.
Who you referring to here?
Oh. Did you mean Wisp?
If so, I take back what I said and can confirm we always fight. I thought you meant Grape.
Ok ya i did mean grape, i was just confused because you didn't quote my post so i was like who is she refering to. For the most part ive seen you two squabble alot but i didn't remember alignments.
I don't like letting my wagon happen that's the problem, I'd rather pull off all suspicion on me as early as possible
and I'd ask that question whether I was at L8 or L2...
Why would you scrutinize DV?
also, you cant say, "**** it", and say the decision that came after it was easy... that's not how any of this works
I would read DVs <whatever> with you being town in mind. Yknow... playing mafia
I'm not really sure what youre seeing with that vote but I don't care that much
I don't like letting my wagon happen that's the problem, I'd rather pull off all suspicion on me as early as possible
and I'd ask that question whether I was at L8 or L2...
Why would you scrutinize DV?
also, you can't say, "**** it", and say the decision that came after it was easy... that's not how any of this works
I would read DVs <whatever> with you being town in mind. Yknow... playing mafia
I'm not really sure what you're seeing with that vote but I don't care that much
there isn't much else to say at this point, I'm saying its scummy for the above reasons, you are always going to argue otherwise regardless of your alignment, and its not damning evidence, so lets move on, I'm not getting lynched today, and neither are you, and that's a fact
@Wisp why bother with the whole "I can't do that to my brother" and "Pretend my vote is still on Shin" things then? His being at L2 vs L3 doesn't really change the pile on dynamic. And if you were worried about the wagon dynamics why act like it was about feeling guilty about voting your brother? I know you're inconsistent but that isn't so much changing your mind as it is changing your reasoning when pushed. Which is a scum thing to do.
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I'm sorry but if I had narrative I wouldn't push it using you of all people, sheesh i am better than that lol. I still however don't see the problem with my post because ive explained my logic over and over.
And yet
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"I think Shinichi is [alignment] because [reason]."
Thats fine but if anything I am voting vaimes or you, mostly leaning towards vaimes for being sane XD.
Though the split votes help mafia more so espically if the iron throne only has to deal with town getting the throne, what i the split ote leads to mafia being the iron throne.
Oh I defitainly didn't understand the situation fully that's my fault, i am def scatter brained though :P. Oh its not that i don't grasp the push, it's that i don't care. Come on GF when have i ever cared about being pushed, i can stay calm through most situations.
I think he is scum because he is doing scummy things
I think he is town because my gut tells me so
so I give up, that's what I am doing
I'm gonna see if things make sense after I get some sleep.
Logically you shouldn't town read something that's scum reading you that hard especially when you yourself know you are a town. At least that is what i am getting at when i made that post. Also tsk tsk grape, i think i am capable of differentiating with scum chat and game chat.
Ehh mafia would always just go for a shot on someone they believe iis a pr.
Yep yep this guy is totally not scum with this kind of reply, however silly his post is yours didn't really do much either. I just found it really funny XD.
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I like you but it's decidedly frustrating to play with someone who can't even avoid contradicting themselves within 1 post. Anyway setting that aside talk to me about this:
@Wisp what scummy things is shin doing?
Ya, of course, cause he town and so am I, unless somehow this dude is powerwolfing me as his scum buddy.
Prob should go back and read his claim since i missed it. Either way no matter what type of third party he is the focus should be killing mafia on d1 or atleast trying to kill mafia.
Is this a vig shot?
Oh luck of the draw I lived I guess, its a sign telling me not to give hope :D.
Have you accepted that you can't read me yet?
But you're right no one care about RE blatantly lying about her reasoning for suspecting me.
Vote: LastWhisper
Shin's town y'all.
I wouldn't be me if i was consistent now would I
I am pretty sure if you were on some team that had control of a day kill I would have been shot long ago lmfao.
I've seen plenty of mafia roles having extra kills and I have seen mafia day kills as well, maybe its just not common here.
I mean why not? The chances wouldn't have changed. It's always better to just use it on someone you scum read even if said person is wrong.
That lie didn't really last long, what was the point of it -.-
I wonder how mafia would be solved if we all just yelled about how townie we are, and "you cant read me"
anyways, I wish you could read me, because you clearly can't, I'm playing from a logical standpoint, and idk why this sin/last dichotomy even exists
If you think I am scum, I am always scum with Shin, that is the only logical explanation for the way I'm acting... If I am scum and hes town, I just stick with burying my brother, if I am town, I always 180 my read on him... You cant find his alignment based off logical analysis, and I would honestly rather see him at least live to day 2...
Why don't i get to play this game too >3>
Cries in a corner
I am too quick for you, as for your above post I kinda just reply where I see fit. So for the Sir Chris thing was just replying where I wanted to, i wasn't trying to actually connect any dots.
So pretend my vote is still on Shin, so that puts him at L2, from a gamestate POV, this is 90% of the time a mislynch, or theres the 10% where we are all right on shin for once, and even if thats true, there is always at least one Mafia on this train, unless you expect me to believe all 8 of us are town
Wish I could vote Tom today, but I already said he's not getting lynched today... *cries*
I wouldn't waste a day kill on you if I was scum. You being alive as town simply decreases the towns ability to win.
RE and him always tend to get into squabbles so i find no oddity in how hes voting RE.
Yep, you caught me, and easy lynch that I was pushing from the start, backed off it because it gained traction... totally logical
You think im more likely scum now?
It would be awful. That's why I only do it rarely and when I intend to be obnoxious. I detest when people use it reflexively and often.
I don't see any reason for you to have to be buddies with Shin. Or even to be buddies with him. Logically there are a huge number of reasons for you to flip flop as either alignment. But your stated reasoning seems to be you feel bad running your brother up. Unless I missed something or took something seriously that I shouldn't have. So your stance seems to have flipped not on logic or a read but on your OoG emotions. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway unless his game has changed this is your brother's town game. I'm shocked your confused about his alignment here. This is classic town!Shin. Wrong headed stances about mafia theory. Commenting on everything. Relatively agendaless. I don't see any reason at all to think he's scum, apart from Chris' push which I've masterfully discredited.
Also you two aren't a dichotomy. He's town. You're probably scum for being even more all over the place and reactionary than normal. I also think the way you've handled him in your recent turnaround on him feels like you know he'll flip town and you haven't been able to substantiate either read. I'd rather condemn RE than you but you're not a horrible option at this point.
@Shin Tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself. But to any one observing you making a quote pyramid replying to the same questions will believe that you cared. So telling us you didn't is a waste of your time.
@Grape
If you don't know the difference between voting someone intending to lynch them for a shaky claim and showing skepticism of the same claim but willing to hear it out first, I can't help you.
I haven't lied about my reasons for voting you. They were pretty straight forward. My reasons for suspecting you now have evolved though. Probably should read what you're referring to specifically, but this'll likely be the third all-nighter in a row I'll be pulling, so I'll do that first.
@Rodemy
If I missed this and you went for it already, my bad. But reaction tests, why didn't you???
@Shinichi
The last 2 squabbles I had with him, he was scum. Last game, we were both town and he expressed suspicion of me only once, for lurking. He was confirmed town (ish), but I was not.
I guess I am all over the place, but I don't understand why I would play like that as mafia...
Unforgiven Mafia
Heres a game where Shin was 3p, and I defended him as mafia, and ended up dying day 2, because people thought I was aligned with him
@Tom
idk, but I really dont like that, "**** it" vote, and I dont care much for DV's thoughts on the matter either
You asked my opinion on last/shin earlier assumed you hadn't got there
Bullocks. Also like you can't grasp how a townie would ever vote him for that push but you've expressed zero suspicion of anyone except myself and Wisp for voting him.
@Wisp I think you've flipped your read because the wagon actually happened and that surprised you and will make you look bad. That's why I specifically called it TMI. As for why you're all over the place, first when aren't you? Second it's the way you play as town so not being hyperactive would be a drawback to your scum game. As for why I think this particular one is scummy it's the feeling of agenda under it. You're bouncing around talking about everything and every push you've made is on someone I'm getting town vibes from and full of unexplained confidence and bluster. On anything else you feel like you're scrabbling for anything that will stick.
Why are you giving me a meta example when you've yelled at anyone who has dared use meta to read you?
"I'll just pretend that this vote was really hard for me by adding some fake emotion to it"
I mean I don't have a definite correlation that proves it comes from Mafia more so than town, but all the instances I remember it in, mainly me saying it (Yay self meta), a game on MAL where Gwendolyn had used it to jump off her scum buddies wagon, and vote get a town lynched, and [redacted].
I'm notorious for asking this question; if/when I get lynched and flip town, who would you push based on current information, excluding Shin, who at this point is just beating a dead horse, with 9 days we have ample time to look at other people. (I am flipping town btw)
I am wishy-washy because all the people that seem to ping me, all end up looking towny (shin being an exception), and all the people that I have prematurely town read... don't look so great outside DV, and Highroller.
I had. I'm not sure what to make of it. I think Shadow is savvy enough that he's going to make the faction distribution relatively random. But I agree with you on the math because for any faction of 4 the numbers would supper 1>0>2 scum. I'm just not going to draw conclusions on it at this point. Anyway I asked because it felt like you were waffling between the two. What do you think of Shin at this point independent of faction math? Also just ranking in your claimed faction I'd have LW>KJ>Shin/You.
and I am creating content, whether its the right content is up to you to decide
the only agenda I have is lynching scum, and trying to stop people from lynching town
not only did hate how Shin's train grew off the reasoning Chris pointed out, but I also hated how Grr's train grew for reasons that made no sense coming from a wolf, so I tmi'd two possible town as scum, then defended them for **** knows what reason
I have no idea why you are treating the votes and suspicion on LnGrrrR as my only reasons for suspecting you and Wisp.
For the record, I hadn't actually revisited your pushes. Didn't have the time. You compared my reaction to LnGrrrR's claim and your own, I pointed out the difference.
Who you referring to here?
That vote was incredibly easy for me.
Currently I don't think your town flip would say a great deal (behaviorally that is, it has factional stuff implications of course, as would any <redacted> flips it's all pieces of puzzle)
Would probably scrutinize DV over it but Idk what conclusion would be. Also the upcoming votes on your wagon like it's pretty early in a wagon for this question even if i did find it likely I'd still have the same opinions by eod... let wagons happen my dude
Because you said you were going to see if they could possibly come from town. And it's absurd that you're claiming the subtle difference between our handling of it is so significant that you see no way that it could ever come from town, but have no issue with DV or HR. Also you're just making crap up about LW. There are lot's of reasons to suspect him but he implicitly agreed with you and said the faction thing was a bad reason to vote him but he liked voting LnG anyway. You also started pushing me for reasons you never explained to my knowledge so that's why I have to go on.
And if you want to push Wisp for the way he handled LnG then that makes sense because his handling of it was truly bizarre and is one of the things bugging me about Wisp. And why I keep asking everyone about why they think my handling of LnG was scummy.
@Wisp let me get this straight. You suspected Shin the whole game. Then Chris made a case against him. And it gained momentum. You didn't think the case was a good way to read Shin. And then you felt that because that wagon grew fast, and the LnG wagon also grew fast it indicated to you that Shin must be town despite how scummy you found him. Is that roughly accurate?
If so, I take back what I said and can confirm we always fight. I thought you meant Grape.
and I'd ask that question whether I was at L8 or L2...
Why would you scrutinize DV?
also, you cant say, "**** it", and say the decision that came after it was easy... that's not how any of this works
What I really want is to see if Chris wants to maintain that read. Like, we've got a week+ left is he gonna go look at some shin games?
But yes i moved my vote back to last I've got him as most likely again it's a fun little game im playing
sure
Ok ya i did mean grape, i was just confused because you didn't quote my post so i was like who is she refering to. For the most part ive seen you two squabble alot but i didn't remember alignments.
I'm not really sure what youre seeing with that vote but I don't care that much
@Tom fair enough.
@Wisp why bother with the whole "I can't do that to my brother" and "Pretend my vote is still on Shin" things then? His being at L2 vs L3 doesn't really change the pile on dynamic. And if you were worried about the wagon dynamics why act like it was about feeling guilty about voting your brother? I know you're inconsistent but that isn't so much changing your mind as it is changing your reasoning when pushed. Which is a scum thing to do.