My thoughts on grape are similar to how he always plays, most of his posts kinda just scream town. Especially how he's been interacting with you and how he has addressed me in some of his posts. I don't see any maliciousness in anything he has said and it doesn't seem like his thoughts are fake at all.
ignoring all your oranges, since 1053, hunger, Rhand and cobalt, have absolutely nothing in terms of context, with 1052 having a few more posts, that were innocent enough, to warrant a premature "newbie" town read, as Tom had put it, at least im assuming the orange is all nulls, then we have Kami, which I am almost glad he hasn't had anything to cling out to yet, as he did in the last game. If we look at Kami's 15 posts, its a nice assortment of questions that provoke thought as well as, votes accompanied with reasons, and his own opinions on thing, which none show any signs of anything that can or should be perceived as scummy, as things stand, he is quite towny, I think his 15 posts give enough of an idea of what his alignment maybe, and I like him, so I would say hes a light town for now
I do agree with you on DV, that both him and RE come out of there back and forth looking both to be town. but I don't agree that your right on your reason, I think his re-evaluation is the towniest thing that comes out of his side, while RE's handlement of DV, is her strongest town!tell, I guess? Like I stated before, its easy to poke at "lies", or "not reading" as a reason to push someone into the ground, something that both town and scum alike could easily push, I've literally watched mafia do this in a game on SC2, its also a very dangerous game to play that I could easily see scum!DV doing.
I also think its too early for the game state read you gave, saying there probably is at least 1 scum on the Grr train. Highroller saw my posts and immediately went to read my previous games (thats a lot of work to push a fake scum lean on day 1), and saw "contradictions", not that they necessarily have to come from scum or town, though I more so think they come from the latter than the prior. Like DV, he re-evaluated me, and I don't think the fact that he re-voted me changes my thoughts on the matter, I still think he actually believed his push, and as it stands I probably would not vote him today from his push on me alone.
Don't think Tom has done anything townie, or scummie, so I dont see why anyone would put him in either category as a serious read
Not really repeating anything I said on Cantrip, I still need to reread him, but like you, I dont know much about his scum!game, or even his town game...
Chris hasn't done anything extremely townie, and my town read on him was probably pre-emptive, but hes definitely not someone I would vote today of anything he's done as of current
Despite what I may say, or how I come off, I don't think I am some genius, and sometimes I'm just trying to be cute, but I still believe my reads, and I honestly did believe my read on Rodemy from his entrance, but my town read on him is starting to dwindle b/c he's showing signs of how he played in DiTF, naked votes, and his self-awareness with apologizing and saying "I will do more", which comes off more scummmy than not. People go on v/la all the time, and get busy, but unlike players like Killjoy, and Chris, who seem to say it for the sake of saying it, the way his tone reads is something like, "I don't want you to think I am scumming, so I'm going to promise to do more", because honestly, most town players don't care about looking townie, while wolves do
I want to pull back on my Vaimes town read just because of #654, because his vote reads as, "This looks like a good fake vote", and I didn't much care for his town read of you based on your walls and lack of conforming. Vaimes and Grape both fall under the category of scum, that would be on the Grr train if he was in fact town
Tubba has also pinged me, and I believe I have questions he still hasn't answered, he's under the radar right now, but I think he should be looked at, the problem is, I alone can't force the low-posters to make posts
also Grr's tone does not point to the gambit you seem to believe he was doing
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I still believe DV should be a town read and you should be reading HR as scum it makes no sense for you to think hes town when he seems so sure your scum. You should be pushing a world where hes scum instead of trying to make him look more town. His meta reads hold as much weight as your read on rodemy which means it holds very little. I disagree that pushing a large case on someone makes them scum becauses its no different than you cosantly pushing that rodemy is town why cant you see that?
This feels like you are trying to push a narrative, without getting your hands dirty, I "shouldnt" be doing anything, town can be wrong, and its more likely from his posts so far that, this is exactly what is happening, town just being wrong. Also you misread my post, I said large cases early on are scummy, not in general... and a large well thought out case should hold a lot more merit than reads like the one I gave on Rodemy, like wot?
Vote: Grape
if I am wrong on Vaimes, its most likely that Grape is scum, since his town read on Vaimes feels forced
I realize now I put DV twice when one of those was suppose to be gf XD, also i apparently missed a few names as well but if i missed them thats just they were insignificant as well. The oranges are all null because very little for me to off of them to read them. I guess if i missed kami, it means nothing really gave me a reason to look towards him, but then this is just a random list without any sort of defense on any of my reads. I'll have to go back and give his posts a full look through. Though its not a stretch to say mafia or any other alignment that may harm town would always try to push their own agenda or thoughts onto others.
Well if we both agree there is nothing to really discuss, the interactions are enough for me to say hey both DV and Re are town even if my reasoning for it may be different than your reasoning. Most of my read on DV comes from seeing him get upset as town before when his posts were misread same goes for RE and the interactions between them didnt seem faked at all so if anything it makes them t v t. I would be qqutie surprised if somehow both were scum in this game but i doubt it.
I mean I won't read old games, i have 0 attention span XD. I prefer using vote logic and for me its quite easy for scum to jump on early pushes to build up their credibility. If you notice most scum would just give ***** reasons when trying to join a train just incase that person flips whatever they can use it to give themselves cred, actually more likely that scum would give a real reason to be on a town train so that way if person does flip town they can atleast justify why they were there. If a person was bussed they don't really need to provide much detail because heck they hit scum.
My read on tom is just based on previous games where he loves giving me early scum reads, it just seems natural coming from him it holds very little weight. The entire read list is just something I cooked up after reading the most recent pages.
Cantrip just seems forceful with how hes playing the game, but that could just be me not being used to him. Some of his poats put a foul taste in my mouth.
I am gonna comment on this more after I get a chance to reread his post about me.
I mean I believe his so called he will do more, you gotta remember for most finals are next week or this week even. SO i won't really read into any of that bs. I mean isn't it common courtesy to reassure the players? I don't think it means some scum agenda has to be getting pushed.
I am mostly reading vaimes as town because when he town reads me he's scum lol, so him not doing that right now is a huge tell from my end.
I don't much about tubba and as for the GRRR thng it was just an assumption that camae into my head when repplying to your post about him.
I have no narrative, i am just playing how i always do. Commenting where I see fit and trying to figure out who the scum could be. Whats with the vote on grapes though? Are you assuming that because you think vaimes is town the interaction between him and grape make grape scum?
Every time I feel like I have a decent handle on LW or Shinichi, I end up getting whiplash.
Unvote, vote Shinichi
LW, what specifically made you unvote Shinichi?
so we got the good ole **** it post, if Tom flips town after this, to be fair idk what ill do, but I would be ashamed of him if this is something he did as town
Vaimes, explain to me how chris just convinced you? since you had him at a town lean?
@Shinichi
Outside of the post I pointed out, I dislike that you still haven't voted... and I was only trying to annoy Highroller in my last post towards him, I still think you can easily flip scum here
I'll vote once i feel like it, you know very well i don't mindlessly like placing my vote on D1 its weird to bring it up when you full well know that.
@Shinichi
Outside of the post I pointed out, I dislike that you still haven't voted... and I was only trying to annoy Highroller in my last post towards him, I still think you can easily flip scum here
I'll vote once i feel like it, you know very well i don't mindlessly like placing my vote on D1 its weird to bring it up when you full well know that.
1. Played with Wisp before. He is not a raving lunatic devoid of logic wtf dv
2. You ask me to pick between wisp and shin when my vote is on shin and my read on lw is based on a scum shin so what are you evrn asking that for
3 shin does not appear to address me. I make the most substantive vote and he has me red and he asks vaimes how I convinced him instead of refuting me.
4.oh also he said "I am playing like I always do" which is like "things scum say when trying to mimic their town game 101"
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Personally, it’s something that I do think is town, but given that a) I think you’re town and b) you know Shin’s play waaay better than I do, it kind of cancels out.
I don’t know how much stock I put into you both being scum because you’re being super weird about him or that’s the case. I’ll wait til you talk about your updated read on him.
Vaimes mindlessly sheeped me onto a buddy day 2 last game so if he only sheeps as scum that seems to be a glaring flaw in his meta.
I am confused how this is debatable tbh
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Last line about Shin, sorry train of thought derailed.
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Why am I always getting shaded... Seems like there is enough people voting shin, no one reason to change my vote
Someone asked why I unvoted? Because i skimmed his post and saw a few things I like while at work, it was a different story once I got home
Who’s shading you? Besides Chris.
chris hasnt shaded me? hes like the only person who actually seems to care about anything I say... we can disagree on how we got our conclusions on shin, but still have the same conclusion, and I'm also not trying to read shin on meta, because his meta is so "different" for a lack of a better term, im looking at what hes doing and what he has done
the only thing that was meta which had pinged me earlier was his slanking, because ive seen it come more so from his scum game rather than his town game
1. Played with Wisp before. He is not a raving lunatic devoid of logic wtf dv
2. You ask me to pick between wisp and shin when my vote is on shin and my read on lw is based on a scum shin so what are you evrn asking that for
3 shin does not appear to address me. I make the most substantive vote and he has me red and he asks vaimes how I convinced him instead of refuting me.
4.oh also he said "I am playing like I always do" which is like "things scum say when trying to mimic their town game 101"
Wisp makes jumps in logic before, and misses things.
Things like what you pointed out.
@Vaimes. Neither Shinichi or Wisp are players that pay attention to wording or other technical plays.
1. Played with Wisp before. He is not a raving lunatic devoid of logic wtf dv
2. You ask me to pick between wisp and shin when my vote is on shin and my read on lw is based on a scum shin so what are you evrn asking that for
3 shin does not appear to address me. I make the most substantive vote and he has me red and he asks vaimes how I convinced him instead of refuting me.
4.oh also he said "I am playing like I always do" which is like "things scum say when trying to mimic their town game 101"
Wisp makes jumps in logic before, and misses things.
Things like what you pointed out.
@Vaimes. Neither Shinichi or Wisp are players that pay attention to wording or other technical plays.
Drawback too low if my gut is wrong to not do it tbh. Mislynching shin sounds fun too
Tom's right.
Unvote Vote Shin
how the **** can you read this post, and be like, "checks out", even from the standpoint of being Tom, this is like levels beyond open wolfing
No its not.
Tom and I both recognize that Shin is going to be lynched at some point. I'd rather lynch Shin before lylo. There is enough here for me to go sure I'll follow this down the rabbit hole.
Drawback really is too low. This is one of those, I'm like 50/50 on Shin. And that means I'm going to be 50/50 or suspect him most of the game. On top of that the way he is playing IE quoting stuff from days ago and making running commentary isn't just annoying its unhelpful and useless. Most of his posts he has made I just go "Cool" and move on. And Chris is right. That logic gap makes ZERO sense.
My town read is town reading someone so I'm going to scum read that person.
@DV
I can be w/e player the game needs me to be, I am the hero you don't deserve...
No sadly you're not.
I've only seen you ever play one way.
While your way is readable for me at this point it predictable. For example you've managed to totally ignore the whole Chris tell. You're going to have to work that one through for me, or at least yourself at some point.
@DV
I can be w/e player the game needs me to be, I am the hero you don't deserve...
No sadly you're not.
I've only seen you ever play one way.
While your way is readable for me at this point it predictable. For example, you've managed to totally ignore the whole Chris tell. You're going to have to work that one through for me, or at least yourself at some point.
Im suppose to see a tell that in every definition of the word tell, is subjective, to the person stating it, and honestly, I could care less about these meta tells, stop trying to aggravate me with your mindless shade like you are some mafia genius, it makes me not want to play anymore. This is the same dribble I met with in my first games here... and I will not have it here again, not after constantly trying my best to improve
we are about to do the same ***** we do in every game with Shin, lynch him because hes "cannon fodder", whether he flips mafia or town, it's still the same old news and I'm over it
Plus Cantrip and Chris look really good if he’s scum. tom too, possibly. Of all the votes on Shinichi, I think tom’s is the least alignment indicative.
@DV
I can be w/e player the game needs me to be, I am the hero you don't deserve...
No sadly you're not.
I've only seen you ever play one way.
While your way is readable for me at this point it predictable. For example, you've managed to totally ignore the whole Chris tell. You're going to have to work that one through for me, or at least yourself at some point.
Im suppose to see a tell that in every definition of the word tell, is subjective, to the person stating it, and honestly, I could care less about these meta tells, stop trying to aggravate me with your mindless shade like you are some mafia genius, it makes me not want to play anymore. This is the same dribble I met with in my first games here... and I will not have it here again, not after constantly trying my best to improve
we are about to do the same ***** we do in every game with Shin, lynch him because hes "cannon fodder", whether he flips mafia or town, it's still the same old news and I'm over it
Hi no. Denied. I brought good logic to the table fo not try to appeal to emotion away my concise reasoning. I dont know shin from Adam I just know what I read.
Also Vaimes stood picking on me about my general lack of reads I am stressed. Will say wisp is venturing into twtbw tho.
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@DV
I can be w/e player the game needs me to be, I am the hero you don't deserve...
No sadly you're not.
I've only seen you ever play one way.
While your way is readable for me at this point it predictable. For example, you've managed to totally ignore the whole Chris tell. You're going to have to work that one through for me, or at least yourself at some point.
Im suppose to see a tell that in every definition of the word tell, is subjective, to the person stating it, and honestly, I could care less about these meta tells, stop trying to aggravate me with your mindless shade like you are some mafia genius, it makes me not want to play anymore. This is the same dribble I met with in my first games here... and I will not have it here again, not after constantly trying my best to improve
we are about to do the same ***** we do in every game with Shin, lynch him because hes "cannon fodder", whether he flips mafia or town, it's still the same old news and I'm over it
Last I'm not saying you haven't improved. This discussion isn't about you.
Chris pointed out that Shinichi said AND I quote
honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough tobe locked town for me so i find it supcest your still trying to read him as town.
He's literally saying. "I'm town reading you. I think your ROD read is bad or a lie or something. So I'm scum reading Rod, due to you town reading him." You're going to have to work through that one for me. That comment there is illogical.
@Chris
and you can be right for the wrong reasons, "TWTBAW" is a fallacy so you can throw that in the trash
@Rodemy
your right, and ill refrain from attacking that in the future, you do you, but I still stand by how I felt about that post
@DV
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Wisp you need to cut this attitude ***** out right now with me. Its not going to fly.
You said last night you didn't get what Chris was talking about and you would revisit it. So revisit it.
How does this sentence make any sense?
honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough tobe locked town for me so i find it supcest your still trying to read him as town.
Wisp are you ok? I am just playing the game my man. You have played with me before I am not cruel.
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@Shinichi
alot of walls but who exactly is pinging you? did you say anyone could be mafia outside me?
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Ill go into detail later but this is what i got so far, honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough tobe locked town for me so i find it supcest your still trying to read him as town.
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For my next trick how anyone can read this post, also for those new to Chris I read the thread backwards while catching up, and not immediately go, "oh this is a scum post sweet."
1. He tries to justify the Rod read by saying he finds it suspect that Wisp town reads him. Vacuum this is fine, he can think Wisp is scum and this is a bad interaction with a buddy so cool.
2. I then see LW is in his green pile. Meaning his reason for suspecting Rodemy is "I find it suspect that a person who I am town reading thinks Rod is town, so I am voting Rod (which makes no sense in way. If you suspect LW of the Rod read it can go both ways - either TMI for scum LW on a town Rod or covering for a scum buddy Rod - but suspicion of LW's logic expressed in this manner never (no worlds, which btw if you know me and my love of worlds is a big spoiler where this post is ending) results in a town read of LW if the thought is genuine.
He seems to post quite a bit of content if my glance at the thread is right, which means he isn't just lurking and getting things wrong for lack of effort. Which then means if a thought is massively contradictory but can also not be explained away by 'he isn't paying attention or caring" that only leaves one other possibility.
##vote: Shinichi
No worlds where an invested member of town places that vote with that logic and that reads list. He is scum. All other votes may not be wrong, but are statistically less likely to be correct based off that post.
P.S. I have had a frustrating few days please counter vote me so I can smack you around like a pinata it will be fun I will bring cake.
If anyone other than Shinichi would like to defend this post I eagerly await the wealth of information I will receive by you doing so.
SECONDLY.
Wisp to have a massive post about this issue and not catch this is "holy ***** you are his scumbuddy" btw. Like, how do you even avoid that massive logical chasm? Holy **** you are scum with him. Like. Unquestionably.
Did you guys chat this up and then just not read right? How do you see your name green, what Shinichi said in his Rodemy suspicion, and then go "oh yeah CHECKS OUT" ???
Anyway not sure when I'll post next. But uh, yeah Shinichi should be super uber dead.
Ok first off thats crazy awesome, i wish that would happen to me without the freaking out part and basically getting robbed.
As for wwhatever you have to say on sir chris, remind you i've never played with him so if your gonna give me some bs reason as to why he whatever alignment he is this game I don't wanna hear nor do i care about someone else meta read on a player. As of right now he hasnt done much for me to say hey this guy is town there he is scum. Also your logic on LW makes no sense because this entire time i've been trying to explain to my brother that his read on roemy is wrong and that the slot is more likely scum so why would I have wisp as scum and rod as town. It doesn't make sense it be a huge contradiction and over sight on my part.
Also your wrong because I contradict myself a lot because I have a poor memory, my alignment would not affect that whatsoever.
I think your reading too much into my rainbow read list that was just something i made in like 10 minutes with very weak reasoning.
You haven't played with me enough to be able to stand by this read your bolstering about it.
He, speaking to you in that post, says this (I am quoting)
"Ill go into detail later but this is what i got so far, honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough to be locked town for me so i find it suspect you're still trying to read him as town. "
(I fixed typos)
Translation:
My SCUM read is just because I don't think hes done enough to be locked town for me so I find it suspect you're (MY TOWN READ) still trying to read him as town.
I SUSPECT MY TOWN READ IS LYING ABOUT A SCUM RED SO I HAVE A SCUM READ ON THE SCUM READ BECAUSE MY TOWN READ IS SUSPICIOUS.
Got it yet Wisp? Do you see that chasm?
I mean clearly now I have nor eason to suspect my own brother ebcause he pointed how his view on rodemy has been changing.
I mean, the reason to lynch Shinichi is that he's basically got a neon sign over him saying, "I'm a mafia trying WAY too hard to appear to be town!" Not sure why anyone would feel the need to squabble over that.
Thats me in every game, gotta try a little harder than that my friend :D.
I promise you as town both of them will make that Rod read/disagreement/catch you think you found.
Hey i can be mechanic when i want to :D. I just don't work well until I have some sort of flip to go over and i can actualyl connect the dots. Does that mean i sohuld be mislynched every d1 because its my worst day, nope!
1. Played with Wisp before. He is not a raving lunatic devoid of logic wtf dv
2. You ask me to pick between wisp and shin when my vote is on shin and my read on lw is based on a scum shin so what are you evrn asking that for
3 shin does not appear to address me. I make the most substantive vote and he has me red and he asks vaimes how I convinced him instead of refuting me.
4.oh also he said "I am playing like I always do" which is like "things scum say when trying to mimic their town game 101"
I doon't understand #3?
As for 4, i am not sure why your reading into that statement anyways when it should be NAI for someone who hasnt played with me cause it is entirely wifom.
Drawback too low if my gut is wrong to not do it tbh. Mislynching shin sounds fun too
Tom's right.
Unvote Vote Shin
how the **** can you read this post, and be like, "checks out", even from the standpoint of being Tom, this is like levels beyond open wolfing
No its not.
Tom and I both recognize that Shin is going to be lynched at some point. I'd rather lynch Shin before lylo. There is enough here for me to go sure I'll follow this down the rabbit hole.
Drawback really is too low. This is one of those, I'm like 50/50 on Shin. And that means I'm going to be 50/50 or suspect him most of the game. On top of that the way he is playing IE quoting stuff from days ago and making running commentary isn't just annoying its unhelpful and useless. Most of his posts he has made I just go "Cool" and move on. And Chris is right. That logic gap makes ZERO sense.
My town read is town reading someone so I'm going to scum read that person.
Logically as a town player you should never be voting someone off because you think later in the game they will be a mislynch thats just poor play and if your town just sad. As scum you should be pushing my lynch, but seeing as how your town you should really stop this bs. I quote old stuff because thats how I play, if i just back read without quoting ill forget everything.
@DV
I can be w/e player the game needs me to be, I am the hero you don't deserve...
No sadly you're not.
I've only seen you ever play one way.
While your way is readable for me at this point it predictable. For example, you've managed to totally ignore the whole Chris tell. You're going to have to work that one through for me, or at least yourself at some point.
Im suppose to see a tell that in every definition of the word tell, is subjective, to the person stating it, and honestly, I could care less about these meta tells, stop trying to aggravate me with your mindless shade like you are some mafia genius, it makes me not want to play anymore. This is the same dribble I met with in my first games here... and I will not have it here again, not after constantly trying my best to improve
we are about to do the same ***** we do in every game with Shin, lynch him because hes "cannon fodder", whether he flips mafia or town, it's still the same old news and I'm over it
Hi no. Denied. I brought good logic to the table fo not try to appeal to emotion away my concise reasoning. I dont know shin from Adam I just know what I read.
Also Vaimes stood picking on me about my general lack of reads I am stressed. Will say wisp is venturing into twtbw tho.
Sorry to say but the moment you said I could possibly be a mislynch you actually used up all ur logic. I also don't care about your stress nor my brothers own ATE so get that ***** out of here.
@DV
I can be w/e player the game needs me to be, I am the hero you don't deserve...
No sadly you're not.
I've only seen you ever play one way.
While your way is readable for me at this point it predictable. For example, you've managed to totally ignore the whole Chris tell. You're going to have to work that one through for me, or at least yourself at some point.
Im suppose to see a tell that in every definition of the word tell, is subjective, to the person stating it, and honestly, I could care less about these meta tells, stop trying to aggravate me with your mindless shade like you are some mafia genius, it makes me not want to play anymore. This is the same dribble I met with in my first games here... and I will not have it here again, not after constantly trying my best to improve
we are about to do the same ***** we do in every game with Shin, lynch him because hes "cannon fodder", whether he flips mafia or town, it's still the same old news and I'm over it
Just be like me, i ignore most meta reads but my own because they're the only ones i can confirm the truth of. Also I only use meta reads as a starting point. I would never lynch anyone for purely a meta reason. If they want to mislynch me let them, if they want to change their attitudes towards scum hunting then ill care about their poor logic.
@DV
I can be w/e player the game needs me to be, I am the hero you don't deserve...
No sadly you're not.
I've only seen you ever play one way.
While your way is readable for me at this point it predictable. For example, you've managed to totally ignore the whole Chris tell. You're going to have to work that one through for me, or at least yourself at some point.
Im suppose to see a tell that in every definition of the word tell, is subjective, to the person stating it, and honestly, I could care less about these meta tells, stop trying to aggravate me with your mindless shade like you are some mafia genius, it makes me not want to play anymore. This is the same dribble I met with in my first games here... and I will not have it here again, not after constantly trying my best to improve
we are about to do the same ***** we do in every game with Shin, lynch him because hes "cannon fodder", whether he flips mafia or town, it's still the same old news and I'm over it
Last I'm not saying you haven't improved. This discussion isn't about you.
Chris pointed out that Shinichi said AND I quote
honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough tobe locked town for me so i find it supcest your still trying to read him as town.
He's literally saying. "I'm town reading you. I think your ROD read is bad or a lie or something. So I'm scum reading Rod, due to you town reading him." You're going to have to work through that one for me. That comment there is illogical.
If anything it just means wisp is scum with ROD, I don't find it that contradictory. Unless your somehow your certain ROD will flip scum which then I would have to ask how you have aquired that information.
For now Rod is scum and Wisp is town. You can read into whatever you want about that post, but that is my read.
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Unvote, vote Shinichi
LW, what specifically made you unvote Shinichi?
Can you explain why he shouldn't be?
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@Chris, what are your thoughts on Grape?
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Someone asked why I unvoted? Because i skimmed his post and saw a few things I like while at work, it was a different story once I got home
My thoughts on grape are similar to how he always plays, most of his posts kinda just scream town. Especially how he's been interacting with you and how he has addressed me in some of his posts. I don't see any maliciousness in anything he has said and it doesn't seem like his thoughts are fake at all.
I realize now I put DV twice when one of those was suppose to be gf XD, also i apparently missed a few names as well but if i missed them thats just they were insignificant as well. The oranges are all null because very little for me to off of them to read them. I guess if i missed kami, it means nothing really gave me a reason to look towards him, but then this is just a random list without any sort of defense on any of my reads. I'll have to go back and give his posts a full look through. Though its not a stretch to say mafia or any other alignment that may harm town would always try to push their own agenda or thoughts onto others.
Well if we both agree there is nothing to really discuss, the interactions are enough for me to say hey both DV and Re are town even if my reasoning for it may be different than your reasoning. Most of my read on DV comes from seeing him get upset as town before when his posts were misread same goes for RE and the interactions between them didnt seem faked at all so if anything it makes them t v t. I would be qqutie surprised if somehow both were scum in this game but i doubt it.
I mean I won't read old games, i have 0 attention span XD. I prefer using vote logic and for me its quite easy for scum to jump on early pushes to build up their credibility. If you notice most scum would just give ***** reasons when trying to join a train just incase that person flips whatever they can use it to give themselves cred, actually more likely that scum would give a real reason to be on a town train so that way if person does flip town they can atleast justify why they were there. If a person was bussed they don't really need to provide much detail because heck they hit scum.
My read on tom is just based on previous games where he loves giving me early scum reads, it just seems natural coming from him it holds very little weight. The entire read list is just something I cooked up after reading the most recent pages.
Cantrip just seems forceful with how hes playing the game, but that could just be me not being used to him. Some of his poats put a foul taste in my mouth.
I am gonna comment on this more after I get a chance to reread his post about me.
I mean I believe his so called he will do more, you gotta remember for most finals are next week or this week even. SO i won't really read into any of that bs. I mean isn't it common courtesy to reassure the players? I don't think it means some scum agenda has to be getting pushed.
I am mostly reading vaimes as town because when he town reads me he's scum lol, so him not doing that right now is a huge tell from my end.
I don't much about tubba and as for the GRRR thng it was just an assumption that camae into my head when repplying to your post about him.
I have no narrative, i am just playing how i always do. Commenting where I see fit and trying to figure out who the scum could be. Whats with the vote on grapes though? Are you assuming that because you think vaimes is town the interaction between him and grape make grape scum?
so we got the good ole **** it post, if Tom flips town after this, to be fair idk what ill do, but I would be ashamed of him if this is something he did as town
Vaimes, explain to me how chris just convinced you? since you had him at a town lean?
I'll vote once i feel like it, you know very well i don't mindlessly like placing my vote on D1 its weird to bring it up when you full well know that.
1. Played with Wisp before. He is not a raving lunatic devoid of logic wtf dv
2. You ask me to pick between wisp and shin when my vote is on shin and my read on lw is based on a scum shin so what are you evrn asking that for
3 shin does not appear to address me. I make the most substantive vote and he has me red and he asks vaimes how I convinced him instead of refuting me.
4.oh also he said "I am playing like I always do" which is like "things scum say when trying to mimic their town game 101"
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I don’t know how much stock I put into you both being scum because you’re being super weird about him or that’s the case. I’ll wait til you talk about your updated read on him.
I am confused how this is debatable tbh
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the only thing that was meta which had pinged me earlier was his slanking, because ive seen it come more so from his scum game rather than his town game
Things like what you pointed out.
@Vaimes. Neither Shinichi or Wisp are players that pay attention to wording or other technical plays.
Tom's right.
Unvote Vote Shin
exactly what are we debating?
I did like his catch, but I unvoted because you said that my reason for townreading Shin was completely NAI.
Remind me how many people you’ve cleared toDay.
I can be w/e player the game needs me to be, I am the hero you don't deserve...
why are you voting Shin?
No its not.
Tom and I both recognize that Shin is going to be lynched at some point. I'd rather lynch Shin before lylo. There is enough here for me to go sure I'll follow this down the rabbit hole.
Drawback really is too low. This is one of those, I'm like 50/50 on Shin. And that means I'm going to be 50/50 or suspect him most of the game. On top of that the way he is playing IE quoting stuff from days ago and making running commentary isn't just annoying its unhelpful and useless. Most of his posts he has made I just go "Cool" and move on. And Chris is right. That logic gap makes ZERO sense.
My town read is town reading someone so I'm going to scum read that person.
No sadly you're not.
I've only seen you ever play one way.
While your way is readable for me at this point it predictable. For example you've managed to totally ignore the whole Chris tell. You're going to have to work that one through for me, or at least yourself at some point.
we are about to do the same ***** we do in every game with Shin, lynch him because hes "cannon fodder", whether he flips mafia or town, it's still the same old news and I'm over it
Plus Cantrip and Chris look really good if he’s scum. tom too, possibly. Of all the votes on Shinichi, I think tom’s is the least alignment indicative.
Hi no. Denied. I brought good logic to the table fo not try to appeal to emotion away my concise reasoning. I dont know shin from Adam I just know what I read.
Also Vaimes stood picking on me about my general lack of reads I am stressed. Will say wisp is venturing into twtbw tho.
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Last I'm not saying you haven't improved. This discussion isn't about you.
Chris pointed out that Shinichi said AND I quote
He's literally saying. "I'm town reading you. I think your ROD read is bad or a lie or something. So I'm scum reading Rod, due to you town reading him." You're going to have to work through that one for me. That comment there is illogical.
??? Rude. Personal things sir. And out of respect to shadow I am going to not replace, but expect low posting this game.
I will not go into it. But mental health is important. Keep up with it guys.
Sorry mate hope things get better.
Thanks. I’ll try and catch up today. I have to actually force myself to do things. Promise <3
and you can be right for the wrong reasons, "TWTBAW" is a fallacy so you can throw that in the trash
@Rodemy
your right, and ill refrain from attacking that in the future, you do you, but I still stand by how I felt about that post
@DV
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Wisp you need to cut this attitude ***** out right now with me. Its not going to fly.
You said last night you didn't get what Chris was talking about and you would revisit it. So revisit it.
How does this sentence make any sense?
Explain to me how you're ok with this.
Um... huh
Wisp are you ok? I am just playing the game my man. You have played with me before I am not cruel.
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Yeah thanks Chris for reminding me.
How is this a fallacy? It might be a hard tell to apply, but you saying its a fallacy. How exactly. Define fallacy. Define how this is a fallacy.
Thanks
DV
Ok first off thats crazy awesome, i wish that would happen to me without the freaking out part and basically getting robbed.
As for wwhatever you have to say on sir chris, remind you i've never played with him so if your gonna give me some bs reason as to why he whatever alignment he is this game I don't wanna hear nor do i care about someone else meta read on a player. As of right now he hasnt done much for me to say hey this guy is town there he is scum. Also your logic on LW makes no sense because this entire time i've been trying to explain to my brother that his read on roemy is wrong and that the slot is more likely scum so why would I have wisp as scum and rod as town. It doesn't make sense it be a huge contradiction and over sight on my part.
Also your wrong because I contradict myself a lot because I have a poor memory, my alignment would not affect that whatsoever.
I think your reading too much into my rainbow read list that was just something i made in like 10 minutes with very weak reasoning.
You haven't played with me enough to be able to stand by this read your bolstering about it.
I mean clearly now I have nor eason to suspect my own brother ebcause he pointed how his view on rodemy has been changing.
Thats me in every game, gotta try a little harder than that my friend :D.
if u think i am a mislynch why vote me?
Hey i can be mechanic when i want to :D. I just don't work well until I have some sort of flip to go over and i can actualyl connect the dots. Does that mean i sohuld be mislynched every d1 because its my worst day, nope!
Find it hard to continue holding a town read over your head when ur read on me is feeling more like a sheep than your actual genuine opinion on me.
I doon't understand #3?
As for 4, i am not sure why your reading into that statement anyways when it should be NAI for someone who hasnt played with me cause it is entirely wifom.
I feel like your trying to set yourself up to look like town if vaimes flips scum. I am not sure how I should feel about that.
really dv I would expect that plan from tom but not you.
ehhh I think to say it is open wolfing is a stretch, the vote is bad but doesnt make it wolfy.
Logically as a town player you should never be voting someone off because you think later in the game they will be a mislynch thats just poor play and if your town just sad. As scum you should be pushing my lynch, but seeing as how your town you should really stop this bs. I quote old stuff because thats how I play, if i just back read without quoting ill forget everything.
Sorry to say but the moment you said I could possibly be a mislynch you actually used up all ur logic. I also don't care about your stress nor my brothers own ATE so get that ***** out of here.
Just be like me, i ignore most meta reads but my own because they're the only ones i can confirm the truth of. Also I only use meta reads as a starting point. I would never lynch anyone for purely a meta reason. If they want to mislynch me let them, if they want to change their attitudes towards scum hunting then ill care about their poor logic.
If anything it just means wisp is scum with ROD, I don't find it that contradictory. Unless your somehow your certain ROD will flip scum which then I would have to ask how you have aquired that information.
For now Rod is scum and Wisp is town. You can read into whatever you want about that post, but that is my read.