Is there anything you wanna talk about? Maybe some vague thoughts or feelings you want a second opinion on.
What do you think about the Tom/Last/Shin faction? They all seem pretty confident they have scum amongst them, but none of them have really mentioned why.
Talk to me about Grape. He's being scummy to me but I was there in DitF where he basically completely forgot how to be town... Like he can have some really scummy town games. Is this one?
And talk to me about RE. I like the cold, calculatedness of her posts, but also dislike the slowrollyness of her posts, dpesite the fact that they go hand in hand.
Blah, sorry, I got distracted falling down a bunch of different rabbit holes on YouTube.
Ask me about Grape a little bit later.
RE I think I've gone over a fair bit, if you ISO me. Probably my strongest townread. What do you mean by slowrollyness in this context?
What do you think about the Tom/Last/Shin faction? They all seem pretty confident they have scum amongst them, but none of them have really mentioned why.
Seems obvious, if you look at it like a Neighborhood - "oh, there's bound to be a scum among us/them!"
I admit I had the same thoughts about my own faction, given it consists of More Than One Person, but I don't have strong enough reads on the people individually and it seems silly to chase after a dichotomy that might not even exist. I don't know if the mods made the houses truly random or if they had an idea for balancing factions and secondary win conditions.
That said, I kind of like Shinichi's response + walls. In the sense that if he were scum, he'd probably not continue doing the thing that the crowd is booing him for.
Don't reeeally want to move back to Grape right now, and the rest of my Not Town reads are feeling pretty squishy.
@Shinichi
alot of walls but who exactly is pinging you? did you say anyone could be mafia outside me?
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Ill go into detail later but this is what i got so far, honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough tobe locked town for me so i find it supcest your still trying to read him as town.
@Wisp
Let's start with this.
Why are LnGrrrR and Cantrip scum? What is wrong with their posts specifically?
Have you reevaluated my slot at all? If so, what is your read of me?
Do you think any of the people frequently posting, aka people you can communicate with easily, are scum? And why?
Why should I trust your scumreads when I don't trust you and your reasoning is weak if not nonexistent?
Why is Grr scum?
I will forever going forward analyze entry posts into the thread, his post looks like mafia trying to enter the thread by adding a bit of humor a long side his RVS vote, I’m bound to hit false positives at one point, but its an exact replica of his post in DiTF. I wouldn’t say anything he has done has shouted townie to me, and ill say that nothing outside of his entry post shouts obvious scum, his train grew fast at one point due to his claim of being factionless, and despite what the OP had said previously, I did think the claim made no sense from any standpoint, so I never thought it was a lie. I even defended him at one point because I thought all the votes on him were mindless, not that I thought that he couldn’t still be scum, its just those votes weren’t warranted, but as Chris said, anyone who was a wolf, would think that claim is stupid. Does it mean he can’t be scum? Of course not, I just think its stupid to push someone to the brink, and pressure them on something they’ve answered a thousand times, nothing will come of it but answers we expect, and how we choose to see it would never change. Hence, I am leaving him a lone for now.
Cantrip is someone, that spends most of his time writing large posts that answer a multitude of things, and someone who believes that players that post like that tend to be scum due to shear number of topics they choose to focus on. Bare in mind, I am writing this post without rereading his posts, so Idk how much of the content can be seen as actual hunting, but I’m still a bit wary of him. I don’t think as it stands, he is ever getting lynched off my own paranoia, but he’s not someone that is anywhere close to town
I still stand by the fact that your original posts felt like you were lost, just like Killjoy did, your content has been better, and I do think you have enough game knowledge to fake content that looks townie despite what you may believe. You can be a town lean for now, but the fact that you are wrong on me, makes it hard to deduce where you are coming from
From a game point state of view, I think there will always be a minimum of one scum in the frequent posters, but its still hard to say if its more or less than that. I am looking at DV and Highroller, the chance of it being both is slim, but not impossible. DV is a good player, but I don’t think as Shin has pointed out, that his frivolous attacks on things he perceives as “lies” to necessarily be a town tell, even from the sake of meta, its easy to bury someone off this notion of “not reading” as you can carry the conversation in w/e direction you please, and honestly “not reading”, is not a definite sign of either alignment, though I would like to believe town are more carefree in that department than scum. So at this point I have no conclusion on DV, his votes are all over the place, and at points it feels like he’s trying to drive something that will stick or hes just trying to understand where someone is coming from, his re-evaluation of you points more towards the latter, aka him being town, but I'm already pre-emptive enough
Highroller is someone who seems to think this notion of meta over X amount of games, is a tell above all tells, which I find insulting. Most of his talk has been mechanical outside his push on me, which whether he believes it to be true, just seems like a forced pushed. I think its wolfy to drive large cases on why someone is scum this early on. Wolves tend to feel like they need to prove themselves, pushing out reads that they perceive to be strong, just to push focus away from them as early as possible. Wolves also have difficulty faking emotions so they often use the trick of being very aggressive in their pushes, thereby focusing on one emotion. They can tunnel the hell out of a single player and level villagers into thinking that a wolf wouldn't play so recklessly. The above category mostly falls under DV, not Highroller, and DV is exactly the player to do that kind of play.
Conclusion: There could or could not be a wolf in those two, they could both be town for all I know, any of things I said, a town could also do. I’d I have to revisit their posts and ISO them, to have a clear reading.
Why should you trust me scum reads even though you don’t trust me? Well to put it simply, sharing is caring, and town can be wrong, you can be wrong, I could be right, or maybe I am wrong, you are most definitely not right on me. Weak reasoning is still reasoning, reasoning that could or could not be wrong
I don't know why i feel the need to break down this post but I just do. I've never commented on this claim by grrr but it seems like it was town trying to set up a trap for scum and it seems the train most likely garnished at least 1 scum. As i am typing this, ain't sure who was on that train but it is a place to look at for atleast 1 of the scum. Does the claim being a lie affect your read, it just seems like your trying to salvage some bad interpretation of Grrr's alignment. Its very possible you two are aligned for now im gonna assume its T v T.Also pressure is pressure even if it seems futile a persoon that eventually risks getting lynched will speak up and the more someone is asked the same question the higher chance they could slip up.
I don't know cantrip play style to well, just seems as though hes trying to play the white knight for the entire player list. Espically cause his interactions with you make it seem as though he is scum trying to get under your skin by pointing out the aggresive playstyle you may have atleast I think that was cantrip, i know high roller and grape fruit also called you out on it.
I still believe DV should be a town read and you should be reading HR as scum it makes no sense for you to think hes town when he seems so sure your scum. You should be pushing a world where hes scum instead of trying to make him look more town. His meta reads hold as much weight as your read on rodemy which means it holds very little. I disagree that pushing a large case on someone makes them scum becauses its no different than you cosantly pushing that rodemy is town why cant you see that?
@Shinichi
Why do you have to pick scum between the two of us? Disregarding the read I gave on Wisp, why do you think Wisp could be scum?
I don't particular think hes scum but based on all these interactions between players its more fitting, as of right now hes a town read unless certain people flip town at which point then i am sure hes scum.
Is there anything you wanna talk about? Maybe some vague thoughts or feelings you want a second opinion on.
What do you think about the Tom/Last/Shin faction? They all seem pretty confident they have scum amongst them, but none of them have really mentioned why.
I don't think there needs to be a faction. I town read tom because this place is quite similar to how ive seen him as town, i may be reading into his push on me too much though which could be clouding my judgement. Wisp for now is town but I don't think his alignment should have anything to do with the faction as a whole or anyone elses aliignment in the faction. I don't really care about my factions win con either, i just wanna burn scum to the ground.
That said, I kind of like Shinichi's response + walls. In the sense that if he were scum, he'd probably not continue doing the thing that the crowd is booing him for.
Don't reeeally want to move back to Grape right now, and the rest of my Not Town reads are feeling pretty squishy.
Rodemy has one more strike, he already has two, one more and he's going into my scum pile, while I cry for being so wrong
Glad to see your actually evaluating the slot instead of mindlessly town reading rod. Fact that you're not continuing to just argue and push it kinda worries me though. Normally your quite headstrong when it comes to your reads.
What posts in general by rod have weakened your read?
Rodemy has one more strike, he already has two, one more and he's going into my scum pile, while I cry for being so wrong
Glad to see your actually evaluating the slot instead of mindlessly town reading rod. Fact that you're not continuing to just argue and push it kinda worries me though. Normally your quite headstrong when it comes to your reads.
What posts in general by rod have weakened your read?
@Shinichi
alot of walls but who exactly is pinging you? did you say anyone could be mafia outside me?
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Ill go into detail later but this is what i got so far, honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough tobe locked town for me so i find it supcest your still trying to read him as town.
How the blazes do you go from repeatedly potshotting at LastWhisper all game to saying, "YEP, TOTALLY TOWN TIER!"
@Shinichi
alot of walls but who exactly is pinging you? did you say anyone could be mafia outside me?
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Ill go into detail later but this is what i got so far, honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough tobe locked town for me so i find it supcest your still trying to read him as town.
How the blazes do you go from repeatedly potshotting at LastWhisper all game to saying, "YEP, TOTALLY TOWN TIER!"
I just did it to, yell at me, I just needed him to talk to talk to quell my worries, since his scum games usually incorporate tons of slanking, but those were some deep thoughts from my bro
ignoring all your oranges, since 1053, hunger, Rhand and cobalt, have absolutely nothing in terms of context, with 1052 having a few more posts, that were innocent enough, to warrant a premature "newbie" town read, as Tom had put it, at least im assuming the orange is all nulls, then we have Kami, which I am almost glad he hasn't had anything to cling out to yet, as he did in the last game. If we look at Kami's 15 posts, its a nice assortment of questions that provoke thought as well as, votes accompanied with reasons, and his own opinions on thing, which none show any signs of anything that can or should be perceived as scummy, as things stand, he is quite towny, I think his 15 posts give enough of an idea of what his alignment maybe, and I like him, so I would say hes a light town for now
I do agree with you on DV, that both him and RE come out of there back and forth looking both to be town. but I don't agree that your right on your reason, I think his re-evaluation is the towniest thing that comes out of his side, while RE's handlement of DV, is her strongest town!tell, I guess? Like I stated before, its easy to poke at "lies", or "not reading" as a reason to push someone into the ground, something that both town and scum alike could easily push, I've literally watched mafia do this in a game on SC2, its also a very dangerous game to play that I could easily see scum!DV doing.
I also think its too early for the game state read you gave, saying there probably is at least 1 scum on the Grr train. Highroller saw my posts and immediately went to read my previous games (thats a lot of work to push a fake scum lean on day 1), and saw "contradictions", not that they necessarily have to come from scum or town, though I more so think they come from the latter than the prior. Like DV, he re-evaluated me, and I don't think the fact that he re-voted me changes my thoughts on the matter, I still think he actually believed his push, and as it stands I probably would not vote him today from his push on me alone.
Don't think Tom has done anything townie, or scummie, so I dont see why anyone would put him in either category as a serious read
Not really repeating anything I said on Cantrip, I still need to reread him, but like you, I dont know much about his scum!game, or even his town game...
Chris hasn't done anything extremely townie, and my town read on him was probably pre-emptive, but hes definitely not someone I would vote today of anything he's done as of current
Despite what I may say, or how I come off, I don't think I am some genius, and sometimes I'm just trying to be cute, but I still believe my reads, and I honestly did believe my read on Rodemy from his entrance, but my town read on him is starting to dwindle b/c he's showing signs of how he played in DiTF, naked votes, and his self-awareness with apologizing and saying "I will do more", which comes off more scummmy than not. People go on v/la all the time, and get busy, but unlike players like Killjoy, and Chris, who seem to say it for the sake of saying it, the way his tone reads is something like, "I don't want you to think I am scumming, so I'm going to promise to do more", because honestly, most town players don't care about looking townie, while wolves do
I want to pull back on my Vaimes town read just because of #654, because his vote reads as, "This looks like a good fake vote", and I didn't much care for his town read of you based on your walls and lack of conforming. Vaimes and Grape both fall under the category of scum, that would be on the Grr train if he was in fact town
Tubba has also pinged me, and I believe I have questions he still hasn't answered, he's under the radar right now, but I think he should be looked at, the problem is, I alone can't force the low-posters to make posts
also Grr's tone does not point to the gambit you seem to believe he was doing
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I still believe DV should be a town read and you should be reading HR as scum it makes no sense for you to think hes town when he seems so sure your scum. You should be pushing a world where hes scum instead of trying to make him look more town. His meta reads hold as much weight as your read on rodemy which means it holds very little. I disagree that pushing a large case on someone makes them scum becauses its no different than you cosantly pushing that rodemy is town why cant you see that?
This feels like you are trying to push a narrative, without getting your hands dirty, I "shouldnt" be doing anything, town can be wrong, and its more likely from his posts so far that, this is exactly what is happening, town just being wrong. Also you misread my post, I said large cases early on are scummy, not in general... and a large well thought out case should hold a lot more merit than reads like the one I gave on Rodemy, like wot?
Vote: Grape
if I am wrong on Vaimes, its most likely that Grape is scum, since his town read on Vaimes feels forced
with that, semi v/la for the rest of the week, since Im a loser and left a lot of my projects and essays to the last minute, and they are all due on friday
@Shinichi
Outside of the post I pointed out, I dislike that you still haven't voted... and I was only trying to annoy Highroller in my last post towards him, I still think you can easily flip scum here
@Shinichi
alot of walls but who exactly is pinging you? did you say anyone could be mafia outside me?
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Ill go into detail later but this is what i got so far, honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough tobe locked town for me so i find it supcest your still trying to read him as town.
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For my next trick how anyone can read this post, also for those new to Chris I read the thread backwards while catching up, and not immediately go, "oh this is a scum post sweet."
1. He tries to justify the Rod read by saying he finds it suspect that Wisp town reads him. Vacuum this is fine, he can think Wisp is scum and this is a bad interaction with a buddy so cool.
2. I then see LW is in his green pile. Meaning his reason for suspecting Rodemy is "I find it suspect that a person who I am town reading thinks Rod is town, so I am voting Rod (which makes no sense in way. If you suspect LW of the Rod read it can go both ways - either TMI for scum LW on a town Rod or covering for a scum buddy Rod - but suspicion of LW's logic expressed in this manner never (no worlds, which btw if you know me and my love of worlds is a big spoiler where this post is ending) results in a town read of LW if the thought is genuine.
He seems to post quite a bit of content if my glance at the thread is right, which means he isn't just lurking and getting things wrong for lack of effort. Which then means if a thought is massively contradictory but can also not be explained away by 'he isn't paying attention or caring" that only leaves one other possibility.
##vote: Shinichi
No worlds where an invested member of town places that vote with that logic and that reads list. He is scum. All other votes may not be wrong, but are statistically less likely to be correct based off that post.
P.S. I have had a frustrating few days please counter vote me so I can smack you around like a pinata it will be fun I will bring cake.
If anyone other than Shinichi would like to defend this post I eagerly await the wealth of information I will receive by you doing so.
SECONDLY.
Wisp to have a massive post about this issue and not catch this is "holy ***** you are his scumbuddy" btw. Like, how do you even avoid that massive logical chasm? Holy **** you are scum with him. Like. Unquestionably.
Did you guys chat this up and then just not read right? How do you see your name green, what Shinichi said in his Rodemy suspicion, and then go "oh yeah CHECKS OUT" ???
Anyway not sure when I'll post next. But uh, yeah Shinichi should be super uber dead.
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He, speaking to you in that post, says this (I am quoting)
"Ill go into detail later but this is what i got so far, honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough to be locked town for me so i find it suspect you're still trying to read him as town. "
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Translation:
My SCUM read is just because I don't think hes done enough to be locked town for me so I find it suspect you're (MY TOWN READ) still trying to read him as town.
I SUSPECT MY TOWN READ IS LYING ABOUT A SCUM RED SO I HAVE A SCUM READ ON THE SCUM READ BECAUSE MY TOWN READ IS SUSPICIOUS.
Got it yet Wisp? Do you see that chasm?
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He has you on town but he expressed so much suspicion of you that it is his sole stated reason for red reading someone else.
Wisp you're killing me here this isn't one of my zany theories I don't think.
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I would happily kill shin with you but if youre looking for reads that make sense and logical progression from him, you're gonna have a bad time
Also someone asked in the last page or so why i thought there was scum in my faction...
It's cuz I'm in two, and based on win conditions I think that one is way more likely to contain scum than the other.
Also, separately, that factions members are objectively scummier than the other.
But its certainly not locked in. Nothing is as yet
I stopped reading at "I'd happily kill Shin with you."
Let's do this.
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Like squabbles over reasons are probably good. One one reason agreed on to lynch someone is usually suspect in its accuracy in my experience, but multiple threads from differing perspectives going "oh this is scummy" is less prone to margin of error within individual theories. You got your reason, I got mine, and he's got another couple votes that I may or may not have read not sure at this point but either way multiple angles each concluding in scum is usually a good sign for accuracy so let's do this Tom. Make Mafia Great Again.
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I mean, the reason to lynch Shinichi is that he's basically got a neon sign over him saying, "I'm a mafia trying WAY too hard to appear to be town!" Not sure why anyone would feel the need to squabble over that.
Wisp to have a massive post about this issue and not catch this is "holy ***** you are his scumbuddy" btw. Like, how do you even avoid that massive logical chasm? Holy **** you are scum with him. Like. Unquestionably.
I think you're crazy.
Two scum in the same faction.
NOPE.
I'll be back later. After I read though the shinichi walls and actually spend time comprehending what Chris wrote as well.
I might buy the Shinichi theory as scum though or Wisp. But not both. Pick one Chris.
if youre looking for reads that make sense and logical progression from him, you're gonna have a bad time
Quoting this for truth.
Apply to Last as well.
I'm grumpy going to bed. I'll figure this out tomorrow. Consider me hypothetically the Shinichi wagon for gut reasons after skimming but not spending the time to actually understand what he means.
How I feel after reading the Shinichi + Last posts and trying to piece them together. I swear to god they like compound on each other or something.
What do you think about the Tom/Last/Shin faction? They all seem pretty confident they have scum amongst them, but none of them have really mentioned why.
Ask me about Grape a little bit later.
RE I think I've gone over a fair bit, if you ISO me. Probably my strongest townread. What do you mean by slowrollyness in this context?
I admit I had the same thoughts about my own faction, given it consists of More Than One Person, but I don't have strong enough reads on the people individually and it seems silly to chase after a dichotomy that might not even exist. I don't know if the mods made the houses truly random or if they had an idea for balancing factions and secondary win conditions.
Don't reeeally want to move back to Grape right now, and the rest of my Not Town reads are feeling pretty squishy.
Mm.
Unvote, vote tom
When in doubt.
@vaimes
shin doesn't give a heck about what you think, he will continue the same behavior
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Ill go into detail later but this is what i got so far, honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough tobe locked town for me so i find it supcest your still trying to read him as town.
Reds are ok based on content, don't know what you did with grape tho
I want your reasons at some point tho
I don't know why i feel the need to break down this post but I just do. I've never commented on this claim by grrr but it seems like it was town trying to set up a trap for scum and it seems the train most likely garnished at least 1 scum. As i am typing this, ain't sure who was on that train but it is a place to look at for atleast 1 of the scum. Does the claim being a lie affect your read, it just seems like your trying to salvage some bad interpretation of Grrr's alignment. Its very possible you two are aligned for now im gonna assume its T v T.Also pressure is pressure even if it seems futile a persoon that eventually risks getting lynched will speak up and the more someone is asked the same question the higher chance they could slip up.
I don't know cantrip play style to well, just seems as though hes trying to play the white knight for the entire player list. Espically cause his interactions with you make it seem as though he is scum trying to get under your skin by pointing out the aggresive playstyle you may have atleast I think that was cantrip, i know high roller and grape fruit also called you out on it.
I still believe DV should be a town read and you should be reading HR as scum it makes no sense for you to think hes town when he seems so sure your scum. You should be pushing a world where hes scum instead of trying to make him look more town. His meta reads hold as much weight as your read on rodemy which means it holds very little. I disagree that pushing a large case on someone makes them scum becauses its no different than you cosantly pushing that rodemy is town why cant you see that?
I think your wrong about rodemy.
I don't particular think hes scum but based on all these interactions between players its more fitting, as of right now hes a town read unless certain people flip town at which point then i am sure hes scum.
I'm sorry my dear older brother
I don't think there needs to be a faction. I town read tom because this place is quite similar to how ive seen him as town, i may be reading into his push on me too much though which could be clouding my judgement. Wisp for now is town but I don't think his alignment should have anything to do with the faction as a whole or anyone elses aliignment in the faction. I don't really care about my factions win con either, i just wanna burn scum to the ground.
I just do whatever lol, but why the tom vote?
Glad to see your actually evaluating the slot instead of mindlessly town reading rod. Fact that you're not continuing to just argue and push it kinda worries me though. Normally your quite headstrong when it comes to your reads.
What posts in general by rod have weakened your read?
I want thoughts on Grape as well
ignoring all your oranges, since 1053, hunger, Rhand and cobalt, have absolutely nothing in terms of context, with 1052 having a few more posts, that were innocent enough, to warrant a premature "newbie" town read, as Tom had put it, at least im assuming the orange is all nulls, then we have Kami, which I am almost glad he hasn't had anything to cling out to yet, as he did in the last game. If we look at Kami's 15 posts, its a nice assortment of questions that provoke thought as well as, votes accompanied with reasons, and his own opinions on thing, which none show any signs of anything that can or should be perceived as scummy, as things stand, he is quite towny, I think his 15 posts give enough of an idea of what his alignment maybe, and I like him, so I would say hes a light town for now
I do agree with you on DV, that both him and RE come out of there back and forth looking both to be town. but I don't agree that your right on your reason, I think his re-evaluation is the towniest thing that comes out of his side, while RE's handlement of DV, is her strongest town!tell, I guess? Like I stated before, its easy to poke at "lies", or "not reading" as a reason to push someone into the ground, something that both town and scum alike could easily push, I've literally watched mafia do this in a game on SC2, its also a very dangerous game to play that I could easily see scum!DV doing.
I also think its too early for the game state read you gave, saying there probably is at least 1 scum on the Grr train. Highroller saw my posts and immediately went to read my previous games (thats a lot of work to push a fake scum lean on day 1), and saw "contradictions", not that they necessarily have to come from scum or town, though I more so think they come from the latter than the prior. Like DV, he re-evaluated me, and I don't think the fact that he re-voted me changes my thoughts on the matter, I still think he actually believed his push, and as it stands I probably would not vote him today from his push on me alone.
Don't think Tom has done anything townie, or scummie, so I dont see why anyone would put him in either category as a serious read
Not really repeating anything I said on Cantrip, I still need to reread him, but like you, I dont know much about his scum!game, or even his town game...
Chris hasn't done anything extremely townie, and my town read on him was probably pre-emptive, but hes definitely not someone I would vote today of anything he's done as of current
Despite what I may say, or how I come off, I don't think I am some genius, and sometimes I'm just trying to be cute, but I still believe my reads, and I honestly did believe my read on Rodemy from his entrance, but my town read on him is starting to dwindle b/c he's showing signs of how he played in DiTF, naked votes, and his self-awareness with apologizing and saying "I will do more", which comes off more scummmy than not. People go on v/la all the time, and get busy, but unlike players like Killjoy, and Chris, who seem to say it for the sake of saying it, the way his tone reads is something like, "I don't want you to think I am scumming, so I'm going to promise to do more", because honestly, most town players don't care about looking townie, while wolves do
I want to pull back on my Vaimes town read just because of #654, because his vote reads as, "This looks like a good fake vote", and I didn't much care for his town read of you based on your walls and lack of conforming. Vaimes and Grape both fall under the category of scum, that would be on the Grr train if he was in fact town
Tubba has also pinged me, and I believe I have questions he still hasn't answered, he's under the radar right now, but I think he should be looked at, the problem is, I alone can't force the low-posters to make posts
also Grr's tone does not point to the gambit you seem to believe he was doing
This feels like you are trying to push a narrative, without getting your hands dirty, I "shouldnt" be doing anything, town can be wrong, and its more likely from his posts so far that, this is exactly what is happening, town just being wrong. Also you misread my post, I said large cases early on are scummy, not in general... and a large well thought out case should hold a lot more merit than reads like the one I gave on Rodemy, like wot?
Vote: Grape
if I am wrong on Vaimes, its most likely that Grape is scum, since his town read on Vaimes feels forced
Outside of the post I pointed out, I dislike that you still haven't voted... and I was only trying to annoy Highroller in my last post towards him, I still think you can easily flip scum here
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For my next trick how anyone can read this post, also for those new to Chris I read the thread backwards while catching up, and not immediately go, "oh this is a scum post sweet."
1. He tries to justify the Rod read by saying he finds it suspect that Wisp town reads him. Vacuum this is fine, he can think Wisp is scum and this is a bad interaction with a buddy so cool.
2. I then see LW is in his green pile. Meaning his reason for suspecting Rodemy is "I find it suspect that a person who I am town reading thinks Rod is town, so I am voting Rod (which makes no sense in way. If you suspect LW of the Rod read it can go both ways - either TMI for scum LW on a town Rod or covering for a scum buddy Rod - but suspicion of LW's logic expressed in this manner never (no worlds, which btw if you know me and my love of worlds is a big spoiler where this post is ending) results in a town read of LW if the thought is genuine.
He seems to post quite a bit of content if my glance at the thread is right, which means he isn't just lurking and getting things wrong for lack of effort. Which then means if a thought is massively contradictory but can also not be explained away by 'he isn't paying attention or caring" that only leaves one other possibility.
##vote: Shinichi
No worlds where an invested member of town places that vote with that logic and that reads list. He is scum. All other votes may not be wrong, but are statistically less likely to be correct based off that post.
P.S. I have had a frustrating few days please counter vote me so I can smack you around like a pinata it will be fun I will bring cake.
If anyone other than Shinichi would like to defend this post I eagerly await the wealth of information I will receive by you doing so.
SECONDLY.
Wisp to have a massive post about this issue and not catch this is "holy ***** you are his scumbuddy" btw. Like, how do you even avoid that massive logical chasm? Holy **** you are scum with him. Like. Unquestionably.
Did you guys chat this up and then just not read right? How do you see your name green, what Shinichi said in his Rodemy suspicion, and then go "oh yeah CHECKS OUT" ???
Anyway not sure when I'll post next. But uh, yeah Shinichi should be super uber dead.
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What is this chasm you speak of? His flip-flop on me?
He Scum Reads Rod.
He, speaking to you in that post, says this (I am quoting)
"Ill go into detail later but this is what i got so far, honestly the ROD read is just because i don't think hes done enough to be locked town for me so i find it suspect you're still trying to read him as town. "
(I fixed typos)
Translation:
My SCUM read is just because I don't think hes done enough to be locked town for me so I find it suspect you're (MY TOWN READ) still trying to read him as town.
I SUSPECT MY TOWN READ IS LYING ABOUT A SCUM RED SO I HAVE A SCUM READ ON THE SCUM READ BECAUSE MY TOWN READ IS SUSPICIOUS.
Got it yet Wisp? Do you see that chasm?
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Um...
He has you on town but he expressed so much suspicion of you that it is his sole stated reason for red reading someone else.
Wisp you're killing me here this isn't one of my zany theories I don't think.
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I would happily kill shin with you but if youre looking for reads that make sense and logical progression from him, you're gonna have a bad time
Also someone asked in the last page or so why i thought there was scum in my faction...
It's cuz I'm in two, and based on win conditions I think that one is way more likely to contain scum than the other.
Also, separately, that factions members are objectively scummier than the other.
But its certainly not locked in. Nothing is as yet
Let's do this.
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I think you're crazy.
Two scum in the same faction.
NOPE.
I'll be back later. After I read though the shinichi walls and actually spend time comprehending what Chris wrote as well.
I might buy the Shinichi theory as scum though or Wisp. But not both. Pick one Chris.
Chris when you wake up.
Take a hot step back.
Neither Last nor Shinichi are technical players.
I promise you as town both of them will make that Rod read/disagreement/catch you think you found.
Quoting this for truth.
Apply to Last as well.
I'm grumpy going to bed. I'll figure this out tomorrow. Consider me hypothetically the Shinichi wagon for gut reasons after skimming but not spending the time to actually understand what he means.
How I feel after reading the Shinichi + Last posts and trying to piece them together. I swear to god they like compound on each other or something.
vote shin
Drawback too low if my gut is wrong to not do it tbh. Mislynching shin sounds fun too