KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
For instance, imagine if you were, I don't know, House Bolton, and your win condition were to kill all the Starks. So you kill all the Starks. Ok, so your House won. So does the game immediately end? And if the game doesn't end, why even bother with the whole town/mafia thing? If you're mafia in House Bolton, you already won because you're in House Bolton. You don't need to care about the mafia win condition, your other team won. You can just out all of the mafia right then and there. Be like, "HI! I'M MAFIA! SO IS PERSON X, PERSON Y, AND PERSON Z!" Because who gives a *****? It doesn't even matter if you die. Your team wins, you win.
This is what I mean. Don't do this. It ruins other's fun. Even though you've won, the game isn't over. Try to win more.
Doing not this means you're bad for game health which can be a probation/blacklistable offense.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
lololol posting before refreshing. I guess I had a different takeaway. I'm not getting the impression that RE is trying to do anything but get DV off her case with that exchange.
I wouldn't call it trying to get him off my back, although I'm not sure what else you'd expect me to do in that situation. I gave my thoughts on D_V prior. Now that he's easily shifted the balance from mechanical talk to reads, I'm more comfortable with the townlean.
Even if I was not, lashing back at D_V would be anti-town. I predicted a thunderdome of sorts would happen. It'd be nearly impossible to get out of it once it started - which is bad for town if it's T/T, and still bad for town if he's a wolf because that'd be ineffective way of dealing with him since it'd clog up the thread and deter anyone from reading the argument.
Lots of things get mistakenly attributed to being scum. Concern over one's appearance is one of them. I gave an honest answer in response to D_V's case of me, that it was a misunderstanding on my part (I don't think I was completely unjustified in coming to that conclusion, but it *was* the wrong one). If he chose to read me based off it, there was little I could do. Hence me saying I wouldn't respond to him [if his case was solely based on that]. I wouldn't mind responding if he questioned something other than that - which he did regarding my townlean on him. Which I then gave an explanation for.
(I do realize I'm not giving hard stances. Sooner or later, I'll come to more solid conclusions. Unfortunately that kind of thing requires my attention for more than 20-30 minutes at a time, which is all I can give currently due to my schedule. Have an exam tomorrow, projects to get done.. The next day I'll probably be completely free is Sunday.)
Wisp: Does this looks like a normal post for town!RE? You probably do know her best. You'll know her tone better at any rate.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
This is what I mean. Don't do this. It ruins other's fun. Even though you've won, the game isn't over. Try to win more.
Doing not this means you're bad for game health which can be a probation/blacklistable offense.
Dude, calm down. For real.
I'm not trying to foment a riot against the mod. I'm asking, from a game design perspective, how this game even makes sense, as it disincentivizes, by virtue of its own setup, playing mafia, as now you have alternate win conditions that may or may not put you at odds with your... macro-win condition, for lack of a better term.
And frankly, trying to get me mod-killed or banned for contemplating the damn game setup is way less sportsmanlike than anything you're accusing me of doing. So how's about you chill out? This is not that serious.
I'm not trying to get you anything, Highroller. I'm just saying That train of thoguht is bad, just don't think that anymore and we can be done with this.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm not trying to get you anything, Highroller. I'm just saying That train of thoguht is bad, just don't think that anymore and we can be done with this.
So I can't even ask questions about the game's set up and its design decisions? And who appointed you the thought police, again?
I don't know what Highroller or Grape is smoking thinking that LnGrrR isn't town. 367,400 are pretty great examples of townie frustration.
Given that, [Rhand, Last, Grape, DV, Highroller] probably contains at least one scum.
Rhand's was RVS I think, so I guess discount that.
Last's memeing is, like I said, not what I look for in town!Last. Eventually he just kinda happens for me as he plays. He's not quite there yet.
I think Highroller is being the same Highroller as DitF. For now I'm gonna townlean him for that. His crazy, off the wall thought processes just don't seem scummy naturally.
DV is being the same DV I'm used to. Also his entrance into the game makes me wanna think he's less likely scum than not.
Grape I dislike. His read on LnGrrR is bad. His tone feels wrong. Also he seems to have forgotten how fake he thinks I am apparently? That's mildly hilarious.
Other people:
Vaimes is town. This is the town!Vaimes I missed in DitF. He's having opinions, he's doing stuff..
I'm kinda annoyed that I have to wait until the 15th to get a solid read on Rhand.
I'm kinda annoyed that I have to wait until some time in the future to get solider read on RE.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
That is... Mind-boggling. I don't necessarily want to bog down this game with discussion about a game for irrelevant reasons, but how would such a game even work? Is there a link to this game?
So running tally (and again, I am not calling for a mass claim, but if you're going to make your information a matter of public record, might as well catalog it):
LnGrrrR: Unique Faction unto himself
D_V: Iron Bank
tomsloger: TWO factions.
LastWhisper: in a faction with Shinichi, their characters are brothers.
I don't know what Highroller or Grape is smoking thinking that LnGrrR isn't town.
How could this possibly be genuine, unfeigned confusion?
It's abundantly obvious why I thought LnGrrrR was mafia. I thought he was lying to the town about being factionless. I thought this because there was a (later redacted) section from the mod's opening post saying that everyone has a faction. When it was pointed out to me that that this was later edited to state that this was actually only a general rule that may or may not have exceptions to it, I immediately unvoted him.
I mean, I've said this outright. I'm not exactly subtle.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm just going to go ahead and do that. My response to D_V was so that the fight wouldn't escalate to a point where the thread would be unreadable. Yes it was appeasement, but I don't see why that has to come solely from scum. Why would I not want to eliminate the possibility of a fight resulting mostly from heated emotions? Whereas Wisp's entire play is based on either appeasement or faked aggressiveness (namely looking at #288).
Wisp's read of Shinichi is infinitely shallow. Not to mention, he's kind of just repeating the same thing over and over again - labeling Shinichi as scum without actually questioning the slot. This reads as an agenda-based push. Not unlike his push of LnGrrrR. #351 pings me especially. The best explanation I can give for that ping is, he sounds weak while saying it. Like, whiny? Maybe that's not quite it. He sounds desperate? His play is a jumble of faked confidence and that's one place where it cracks.
Starting from the beginning though - Wisp claims he's highly skilled at reading entrances. Even if his ability to assess entrances was that on point, that isn't enough to be convincing and he should know this. So his play is ineffective, which is unusual for him. There's far too little reevaluation despite his frequent interactions with others and new evidence presenting itself.
From what I read I'd put @DV and @RE closer to town, but that be an insult to DV's overall ability, not so much RE's, but I'm confident I can get her alignment fairly easily
@highroller
Why are so keened to talk about alt win-cons? Seems like a lot of words for nothing, alternative win cons are not an incentive to go against your main win-con.
What do you think of shinichi?
@rodemy
That's a level-0 opinion, and is bound to hit a false positive when there are deeper reasons to see someone as scum
@RE
I agree with KJ in the fact that you seemed lost in your initial posts, your latter posts are better, but nothing too townie
@shinichi
All my reads have meaning, I invite discussion, I don't make posts for nothing outside of a few that are fluffy or answering pointless questions. Why is one of your earlier thoughts the possibility of me setting up for bussing, when we both know that's not ideal play?
@SleepingTerror
You have confirmation bias, but if you look at your initial posts you do in fact look lost, and unlike you, I'm not imploying meta to affect my read, so arguing, "you should know me better", does nothing for me. Most if not all of your better posts came after I was asleep, since you go to sleep at like 5am, I woke up at 10am and had to head to class. I
I'll take a deeper dive into your posts when I get a chance.
Idk what cantrip's read was at the top of my head, I don't understand Grr's on me or you, or his conclusion in #218. Also he didn't really instantiate on his read of you, so I can't really say what I think about it, other than it coming out of nowhere
I also don't think a definite read on you can come from the micro level, so I'm just spitballing here, a more accurate read on you would come at the macro level, but it's too early for anything like that
So he initially leaned me as town. Then had me as a wolf... How? My posts didn't change. He even said my posts improved from earlier. I don't think his treatment of my slot comes from an uninformed mindset. Rather, it evolved accordingly to other players' (KJ's) reads of me. Whether he can actually accurately read me or not isn't too important. It's that if he truly believes he can, he would not be treating my slot as questionable or almost altogether doing little to sort me, which is what he's doing here.
I still lean Grape as scum, though not as strongly as Wisp. Will try to determine if it's possible for Grape's pushes to come from town.
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I don't know what Highroller or Grape is smoking thinking that LnGrrR isn't town. 367,400 are pretty great examples of townie frustration.
I disagree there.
It's possible to get frustrated over being caught for the wrong reasons. If LnGrrrR's telling the truth about his lack of a faction, which seems to be the case given the updated OP, his reaction to being accused of it should be NAI, since lack of a faction should also be NAI (at the very least, not town indicative). It's even possible that he still has an alternate win condition that is not tied to a faction.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Grape, my role and flavor don't really fit my being factionless.
And just to be clear you are factionless. Not just part of a faction with no one else (a la Rhand)?
Yup. Technically, my alt wincon is redacted and not just "none". But my faction definitely is none.
Somehow skipped or forgot about this. I can believe this, the fact that an alt wincon exists. Super curious about the flavor but it'd be unfair to ask.
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I will say though, I actually liked LnGrrrR's questioning of HR's take on mass claiming. It has been a characteristic of HR's play, of the two games I've seen him in, and a third I believe, though the name eludes me since I didn't play it. So seeing how HR approaches the idea of mass claim in the current game could be informative - since if in previous games, he's planned for mass claim to aid town, his approach may be different if he's scum this time around.
Earlier was rubbed the wrong way slightly by him giving reads of me and KJ side by side given KJ's interactions with me, but that could have just been circumstantial evidence.
(Why do birds love chirping all at once around 5 am? Damn sparrows.)
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This is what I mean. Don't do this. It ruins other's fun. Even though you've won, the game isn't over. Try to win more.
Doing not this means you're bad for game health which can be a probation/blacklistable offense.
Dude, calm down. For real.
I'm not trying to foment a riot against the mod. I'm asking, from a game design perspective, how this game even makes sense, as it disincentivizes, by virtue of its own setup, playing mafia, as now you have alternate win conditions that may or may not put you at odds with your... macro-win condition, for lack of a better term.
And frankly, trying to get me mod-killed or banned for contemplating the damn game setup is way less sportsmanlike than anything you're accusing me of doing. So how's about you chill out? This is not that serious.
Consider it this way. Using your House Bolton analogy, the Starks all die, your win con is satisified. Elsewhere in Westeros??, House Aragorn also completes its last alt win con objective by lynching Sauron.
(I’ve only watched two episodes, if I buy any more books my wife will kill me, ok?) Who wins? Are they tied?
Satisfying an alt win shouldn’t be considered as winning, especially without knowing other win cons. It’d be pretty feelbad to just have three ties and a bunch of disgruntled players, so you should play to ALL your win cons.
@RE
So either you are scum or you have gotten worse at reading me, anyways I'm over it
@Everyone
Let's get this day over with, this game is gunna pain with the alt win-cons anyways, and my gifs are obvious scum gifs, vote me and move on to day 2
Also Shin is still scum, and Tom thinks two wolf's are in his faction? I'm glad his statement, "Gunn's try to achieve all my win-cons" is actually playing out
@RE
So either you are scum or you have gotten worse at reading me, anyways I'm over it
@Everyone
Let's get this day over with, this game is gunna pain with the alt win-cons anyways, and my gifs are obvious scum gifs, vote me and move on to day 2
/Signing off
My read of you doesn't have to be solidified. There are ways for you to convince me that you are town. For me to have gotten worse at reading you - that implies I'm using meta right now, no? The only meta I'm using is the fact that you keep shouting that people are scum with very minimal evidence if any at all - which is unusual for your town game because you tend to do better than that. Otherwise, my read of you isn't relying on meta at all. It's that you're posts are either forcefully aggressive or rambling about game theory. And that you are claiming that I'm an easy read, yet constantly waffling on my slot. Am I easy that easy to read? Your read of me suggests otherwise. And when you claim anyone's an easy read, does that not automatically mean you'll be using meta on them?
@Grape
I can just ISO you too. But it'd take me time to try to see if you are justified in those pushes.
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Too busy right now, to do anything serious, it's too early in the game state to assume their is scum on my train, I'm way past the point of just omgusing people for voting me
@RE
I don't understand why you are so against a Lynch on Chad, like even when was I scum I defended him... So the assumption that I'm probably bussing is so weird, and if you think that, Chad is still the better Lynch, in terms of content and analysis over me, like what?
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Also, I'd like further elaboration on why 1053 may be noob town and not noob scum. What they've said so far - if I haven't missed or forgotten anything - hasn't struck me as AI.
It just struck me that this game could be a multiball. It could totally be a multiball, no?
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LOL get lynched scum.
Yup. Technically, my alt wincon is redacted and not just "none". But my faction definitely is none.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Doing not this means you're bad for game health which can be a probation/blacklistable offense.
Will case Wisp shortly and review Grape.
I am also doing things? Just not an excessive amount.
Your vote on Grape is the closest you've really come so far.
Does this seem like a town post from her?
@Tom it was a hydra game. Getting an individual's meta from a game where half the posts aren't them is a challenge. Not undoable but hard.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/20827-January-Light-Oracle-13er
^That's the most recent scum!Chris game I've seen. It seemed weaker than his hydra game though.
Maybe I'll do something tonight, but no guarantees.
Dude, calm down. For real.
I'm not trying to foment a riot against the mod. I'm asking, from a game design perspective, how this game even makes sense, as it disincentivizes, by virtue of its own setup, playing mafia, as now you have alternate win conditions that may or may not put you at odds with your... macro-win condition, for lack of a better term.
And frankly, trying to get me mod-killed or banned for contemplating the damn game setup is way less sportsmanlike than anything you're accusing me of doing. So how's about you chill out? This is not that serious.
I was with gentleman johnny.
I don't know what Highroller or Grape is smoking thinking that LnGrrR isn't town. 367,400 are pretty great examples of townie frustration.
Given that, [
Rhand, Last, Grape, DV, Highroller] probably contains at least one scum.Rhand's was RVS I think, so I guess discount that.
Last's memeing is, like I said, not what I look for in town!Last. Eventually he just kinda happens for me as he plays. He's not quite there yet.
I think Highroller is being the same Highroller as DitF. For now I'm gonna townlean him for that. His crazy, off the wall thought processes just don't seem scummy naturally.
DV is being the same DV I'm used to. Also his entrance into the game makes me wanna think he's less likely scum than not.
Grape I dislike. His read on LnGrrR is bad. His tone feels wrong. Also he seems to have forgotten how fake he thinks I am apparently? That's mildly hilarious.
Other people:
Vaimes is town. This is the town!Vaimes I missed in DitF. He's having opinions, he's doing stuff..
I'm kinda annoyed that I have to wait until the 15th to get a solid read on Rhand.
I'm kinda annoyed that I have to wait until some time in the future to get solider read on RE.
Townlean: Highroller/DV/Last
The Twilight Zone: Rod
Null: Cantrip/Kami/Chris/Tubba/Hunger/Cobolt/Tom
Still Glaring At: Rhand
Scumlean: Shin/RE/Grape
Tiers not in order as per usual.
So running tally (and again, I am not calling for a mass claim, but if you're going to make your information a matter of public record, might as well catalog it):
LnGrrrR: Unique Faction unto himself
D_V: Iron Bank
tomsloger: TWO factions.
LastWhisper: in a faction with Shinichi, their characters are brothers.
Did I miss anything?
How could this possibly be genuine, unfeigned confusion?
It's abundantly obvious why I thought LnGrrrR was mafia. I thought he was lying to the town about being factionless. I thought this because there was a (later redacted) section from the mod's opening post saying that everyone has a faction. When it was pointed out to me that that this was later edited to state that this was actually only a general rule that may or may not have exceptions to it, I immediately unvoted him.
I mean, I've said this outright. I'm not exactly subtle.
I'm in "t ippleman" (me and johnny names on that site are t om and nippleman). Chris is in scarechro, RE is in scarlet terror, last is in albeyhummy
I'm just going to go ahead and do that. My response to D_V was so that the fight wouldn't escalate to a point where the thread would be unreadable. Yes it was appeasement, but I don't see why that has to come solely from scum. Why would I not want to eliminate the possibility of a fight resulting mostly from heated emotions? Whereas Wisp's entire play is based on either appeasement or faked aggressiveness (namely looking at #288).
Wisp's read of Shinichi is infinitely shallow. Not to mention, he's kind of just repeating the same thing over and over again - labeling Shinichi as scum without actually questioning the slot. This reads as an agenda-based push. Not unlike his push of LnGrrrR. #351 pings me especially. The best explanation I can give for that ping is, he sounds weak while saying it. Like, whiny? Maybe that's not quite it. He sounds desperate? His play is a jumble of faked confidence and that's one place where it cracks.
Starting from the beginning though - Wisp claims he's highly skilled at reading entrances. Even if his ability to assess entrances was that on point, that isn't enough to be convincing and he should know this. So his play is ineffective, which is unusual for him. There's far too little reevaluation despite his frequent interactions with others and new evidence presenting itself.
There's also this AWFUL progression on me:
I still lean Grape as scum, though not as strongly as Wisp. Will try to determine if it's possible for Grape's pushes to come from town.
vote: Lastwhisper
LnGrrrR: Unique Faction unto himself
D_V: Iron Bank
tomsloger: TWO factions.
Did I miss anything?
It's possible to get frustrated over being caught for the wrong reasons. If LnGrrrR's telling the truth about his lack of a faction, which seems to be the case given the updated OP, his reaction to being accused of it should be NAI, since lack of a faction should also be NAI (at the very least, not town indicative). It's even possible that he still has an alternate win condition that is not tied to a faction.
Redacted as in I can't see it.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Earlier was rubbed the wrong way slightly by him giving reads of me and KJ side by side given KJ's interactions with me, but that could have just been circumstantial evidence.
(Why do birds love chirping all at once around 5 am? Damn sparrows.)
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Consider it this way. Using your House Bolton analogy, the Starks all die, your win con is satisified. Elsewhere in Westeros??, House Aragorn also completes its last alt win con objective by lynching Sauron.
(I’ve only watched two episodes, if I buy any more books my wife will kill me, ok?) Who wins? Are they tied?
Satisfying an alt win shouldn’t be considered as winning, especially without knowing other win cons. It’d be pretty feelbad to just have three ties and a bunch of disgruntled players, so you should play to ALL your win cons.
So either you are scum or you have gotten worse at reading me, anyways I'm over it
@Everyone
Let's get this day over with, this game is gunna pain with the alt win-cons anyways, and my gifs are obvious scum gifs, vote me and move on to day 2
/Signing off
@LnG I can dig it up tomorrow but he retracted that claim entirely.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
@Grape
I can just ISO you too. But it'd take me time to try to see if you are justified in those pushes.
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I don't understand why you are so against a Lynch on Chad, like even when was I scum I defended him... So the assumption that I'm probably bussing is so weird, and if you think that, Chad is still the better Lynch, in terms of content and analysis over me, like what?
In honor of RSJT I kinda want to call that a slip and go ham with it but it's very obviously not one.
Also, I'd like further elaboration on why 1053 may be noob town and not noob scum. What they've said so far - if I haven't missed or forgotten anything - hasn't struck me as AI.
It just struck me that this game could be a multiball. It could totally be a multiball, no?