Just so we are clear there is almost no way that Lngr is mafia for what he said. Maybe harmful third party but his talk about not having a faction and bringing it up in such a guileless fashion is not a mafia tactic in any stretch of the imagination.
This is logical. I also like it. Chris for the Throne.
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Ftr DV, you discrediting me based on years old games aside, i nailed mechanics in death in the family. Had the wrong townread on rodemy but knew there were too many protectives and nailed the info roles needing to be town
Because i work with what makes sense. Like factionless being an option makes sense. And there you go.
Ftr DV, you discrediting me based on years old games aside, i nailed mechanics in death in the family. Had the wrong townread on rodemy but knew there were too many protectives and nailed the info roles needing to be town
Because i work with what makes sense. Like factionless being an option makes sense. And there you go.
I disagree,
Also it was accurate, but didn't work with the information given. That's why Shadow changed the wording. We were right, under the current rule set it was impossible for it to be right.
Nice to see you are more likely town from this interaction though.
False. I voted you thinking you were the serial killer. Then thought you were trying to prove you were town by “quoting your role pm”( but using the role pm in the beginning as a guide)
I never voted you for quoting your role pm, I just pointed out you couldn’t quote it. I figured I’d Catch scum due to not being modkilled. Make sense?
Fair, but that doesn't change the fact that you didn't unvote me after I posted the town role PM. Why wouldn't you unvote me for doing so if you thought I'd quoted my actual role PM? Why did you instead maintain your vote on a town?
I’m pretty sure that was Highroller (I’m mobile so double checking at the moment is hard), and I hate that he still insists on mass claiming. Yes it helped us solve the game in Banned, but that was Day 2 AFTER I did rad stuff and had two scum dead.
Get your facts straight. Wuffles himself outright stated that my claim on day one that a mass claim would break the game was "actually 100% correct." And it did.
Wish I had a scum game to compare to but Highroller reads super pure despite the weirdness of the way he's calling for a claim. His opening of Banned inspired more confidence (or fear in my case) because he put the info out there like he had nothing to hide. Made his stance seem legit. Only flavor claiming here undermines that. But not interested in pushing him at all despite that.
First of all, (A) confirmation that the mafia fear day one claims, and (B) under normal circumstances I would be happy to tell you everything about my role. This is a decidedly abnormal circumstance, for reasons I would be happy to get into tomorrow.
Ftr DV, you discrediting me based on years old games aside, i nailed mechanics in death in the family. Had the wrong townread on rodemy but knew there were too many protectives and nailed the info roles needing to be town
Because i work with what makes sense. Like factionless being an option makes sense. And there you go.
I disagree,
Also it was accurate, but didn't work with the information given. That's why Shadow changed the wording. We were right, under the current rule set it was impossible for it to be right.
Nice to see you are more likely town from this interaction though.
And HEY what do you know, I was right too! *evil glares*
Ftr DV, you discrediting me based on years old games aside, i nailed mechanics in death in the family. Had the wrong townread on rodemy but knew there were too many protectives and nailed the info roles needing to be town
Because i work with what makes sense. Like factionless being an option makes sense. And there you go.
I disagree,
Also it was accurate, but didn't work with the information given. That's why Shadow changed the wording. We were right, under the current rule set it was impossible for it to be right.
Nice to see you are more likely town from this interaction though.
And HEY what do you know, I was right too! *evil glares*
Ftr DV, you discrediting me based on years old games aside, i nailed mechanics in death in the family. Had the wrong townread on rodemy but knew there were too many protectives and nailed the info roles needing to be town
Because i work with what makes sense. Like factionless being an option makes sense. And there you go.
I disagree,
Also it was accurate, but didn't work with the information given. That's why Shadow changed the wording. We were right, under the current rule set it was impossible for it to be right.
Nice to see you are more likely town from this interaction though.
i think he only changed the wording because y'all yelled about it in thread.
I personally would have just answered any PM questioning it with "of course a player can be factionless how do you think factions work"
That's not bastard it's at worst a minor wording issue lol.
But now its clarified, and i dont even think its changes percentages on lngrrs alignment. Or yours/kamis/grapes/highrollers other than less likely to be partners with lngrr.
Want to say grape is scummiest out of the whole thing just because i expect this sort of thing out of the rest of you
Sorry, I don't like double posting, so was waiting for someone else to reply, then had to go to sleep and haven't been able to post until now because of work.
I actually have a second ability that activates when I die. I am able to create two goblin corpses to add to the graveyard including my own. They can be any goblin card I want (spoiler warning: at least one of them is definitely going to be Goblin Gardener. Believe in the sausage tree, man. Believe in your dreams!), and are either townie, mafia, or neutral. Again, no idea what this does, but the presence of neutrality indicates there are probably other neutrals in the game.
Bur: I can't seem to quote your post without something weird happening, but as to "Why did you decide to claim this...?", I pretty much always claim Day 1. I would imagine Axelrod remembers this.
I don't know why this isn't common practice. The town's advantage is numbers. The Mafia's advantage is that early on they have all of the relevant information, as no one knows who they are, they know who each other are, and therefore they can control the flow of information (hence why the mafia generally have two plays: 1. lurk, or 2. try to have one member take control of the town's discussion). The neutral role's advantage is that no one necessarily expects that they'll be in the game, and/or they have some sort of ability to compensate for their being greatly outnumbered.
The town have two ways to get rid of the mafia's inherent advantage:
1. Decide lynching order at the start of the game by random number generator, as the last people are more likely to be town than mafia, but this is easy to screw with, and frankly, takes 100% of the fun out of the game, however much it might make mathematical sense, thereby making it dumb and boring,
OR,
2. Roleclaim early. This generally breaks games unless the mod has put in planning to counter this strategy, and even then it doesn't generally put the town at a disadvantage, it just kind of gets them where they started.
@Highroller, that Goblin hasn't been recruited, he's been slaughtered. Poor guy is dead. Just what kind of Recruiter are you?
Yeah, it really doesn't make sense, does it? I interpret it as there's literally no other place to put goblins. Though frankly, I feel it would have made a lot more sense to give me the ability to cast more than one vote or something, though that's probably too imba.
@Last
You asked me about Shinichi, I didn’t get anything from the posts they’ve made so far. You seemed to have seen something and rereading you I’m still not sure what that is. Im with Rod on wanting more but I’ll use my own analogy. “Need some more meat on them bones.”
@All
Chris’ logic is shockingly sound. Claiming factionless in the fashion Lng did makes no sense from scum, and I would’ve expected his team to scream at him in day chat to correct himself in the thread. The closest to that was Tom saying “shutting up about it is the better version of that...”, which wouldn’t happen in thread if they were scum.
@Last
You asked me about Shinichi, I didn’t get anything from the posts they’ve made so far. You seemed to have seen something and rereading you I’m still not sure what that is. Im with Rod on wanting more but I’ll use my own analogy. “Need some more meat on them bones.”
@All
Chris’ logic is shockingly sound. Claiming factionless in the fashion Lng did makes no sense from scum, and I would’ve expected his team to scream at him in day chat to correct himself in the thread. The closest to that was Tom saying “shutting up about it is the better version of that...”, which wouldn’t happen in thread if they were scum.
@Lng
Most likely scum on your wagon and why?
Rhand is an RVS vote, and LW was on before all this, so not counting those.
I seem to always end up scum reading HR. We seem to have wildly different thought patterns on playing mafia; I scum read him pretty hard early in Secret agent.
DV is wrong here, but early on I liked his posts. And he at least was engaging with me.
Whereas GF just jumped on and pretty much let others fight that battle. So... leaning GF I guess.
Ftr DV, you discrediting me based on years old games aside, i nailed mechanics in death in the family. Had the wrong townread on rodemy but knew there were too many protectives and nailed the info roles needing to be town
Because i work with what makes sense. Like factionless being an option makes sense. And there you go.
I disagree,
Also it was accurate, but didn't work with the information given. That's why Shadow changed the wording. We were right, under the current rule set it was impossible for it to be right.
Nice to see you are more likely town from this interaction though.
i think he only changed the wording because y'all yelled about it in thread.
I personally would have just answered any PM questioning it with "of course a player can be factionless how do you think factions work"
That's not bastard it's at worst a minor wording issue lol.
But now its clarified, and i dont even think its changes percentages on lngrrs alignment. Or yours/kamis/grapes/highrollers other than less likely to be partners with lngrr.
Want to say grape is scummiest out of the whole thing just because i expect this sort of thing out of the rest of you
WOW
Rude.
True though.
I do push dumb *****.
That's the DV way to success or losses. Who knows.
I see I single handledly killed the Lngrr wagon. Most excellent.
I have read little of the last few pages though, as you lot picked up the game on my tv show's air day.
I do however appreciate the votes for the Throne. I promise it will be a good time!
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@Last
You asked me about Shinichi, I didn’t get anything from the posts they’ve made so far. You seemed to have seen something and rereading you I’m still not sure what that is. Im with Rod on wanting more but I’ll use my own analogy. “Need some more meat on them bones.”
@All
Chris’ logic is shockingly sound. Claiming factionless in the fashion Lng did makes no sense from scum, and I would’ve expected his team to scream at him in day chat to correct himself in the thread. The closest to that was Tom saying “shutting up about it is the better version of that...”, which wouldn’t happen in thread if they were scum.
@Lng
Most likely scum on your wagon and why?
ftr the bolded was me saying the exact same thing as Chris, that he wouldn't claim it if he thought there was a chance it might be outing, so occams razor it's just true
But its fine there's Chris taking solo credit again that's fine it's his playstyle we still don't lynch anak that day without me
Wisp: I'm saying if you ruin the game for everyone else, even if you've won, then thats toxic and will likely result in multiple people calling for your probabtion/blacklisting.
Vaimes: He's being very bold. Just seems an odd entrance for scum.
I'd assume so too, but there might be one multiple scum faction.
Also, in the game I had that mirrors this my SK was part of the faction which facilitated the mafia day chat and the mafia would have been told that. Food for thought on that one.
@Vaimes yeah you're right. To quote Tom in a summary fashion(IE I'm to lazy to find the exact quote) "The way DV solves games leads to feels bad" So with that in mind I'm sitting it out to an extent. That's not to say I'm not looking at information. I am, but there isn't enough of it for me to feel its useful.
That being said I've got a slight town read on you. IE Vaimes, and a couple of lesser town reads on Grape and Re.
I'm currently watching Tubba, Sir Chris and Shinichi(But on the last one hes bad at reading me and I'm bad at reading him). Just to say how bad it was I literally just sheeped Last's read on Shinichi in the team game and didn't try and figure the slot out at all. I think Shinichi sheeped Osie's read on me. So LoL at that.
So just to make sure I understand correctly and don't put words in your mouth to confbias on, instead of making tweaks to how you solve, you're just going to do less of it?
@Last
You asked me about Shinichi, I didn’t get anything from the posts they’ve made so far. You seemed to have seen something and rereading you I’m still not sure what that is. Im with Rod on wanting more but I’ll use my own analogy. “Need some more meat on them bones.”
@All
Chris’ logic is shockingly sound. Claiming factionless in the fashion Lng did makes no sense from scum, and I would’ve expected his team to scream at him in day chat to correct himself in the thread. The closest to that was Tom saying “shutting up about it is the better version of that...”, which wouldn’t happen in thread if they were scum.
@Lng
Most likely scum on your wagon and why?
ftr the bolded was me saying the exact same thing as Chris, that he wouldn't claim it if he thought there was a chance it might be outing, so occams razor it's just true
But its fine there's Chris taking solo credit again that's fine it's his playstyle we still don't lynch anak that day without me
And then he lynches you when you serve up two or three scum that game.
I'm still amazed you got lynched that game you were super townie.
@Last
You asked me about Shinichi, I didn’t get anything from the posts they’ve made so far. You seemed to have seen something and rereading you I’m still not sure what that is. Im with Rod on wanting more but I’ll use my own analogy. “Need some more meat on them bones.”
@All
Chris’ logic is shockingly sound. Claiming factionless in the fashion Lng did makes no sense from scum, and I would’ve expected his team to scream at him in day chat to correct himself in the thread. The closest to that was Tom saying “shutting up about it is the better version of that...”, which wouldn’t happen in thread if they were scum.
@Lng
Most likely scum on your wagon and why?
ftr the bolded was me saying the exact same thing as Chris, that he wouldn't claim it if he thought there was a chance it might be outing, so occams razor it's just true
But its fine there's Chris taking solo credit again that's fine it's his playstyle we still don't lynch anak that day without me
You argued to kill Osie all day even after I started the Anak wagon! Just let me carry you and we win that game!
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@Last
You asked me about Shinichi, I didn’t get anything from the posts they’ve made so far. You seemed to have seen something and rereading you I’m still not sure what that is. Im with Rod on wanting more but I’ll use my own analogy. “Need some more meat on them bones.”
@All
Chris’ logic is shockingly sound. Claiming factionless in the fashion Lng did makes no sense from scum, and I would’ve expected his team to scream at him in day chat to correct himself in the thread. The closest to that was Tom saying “shutting up about it is the better version of that...”, which wouldn’t happen in thread if they were scum.
@Lng
Most likely scum on your wagon and why?
ftr the bolded was me saying the exact same thing as Chris, that he wouldn't claim it if he thought there was a chance it might be outing, so occams razor it's just true
But its fine there's Chris taking solo credit again that's fine it's his playstyle we still don't lynch anak that day without me
And then he lynches you when you serve up two or three scum that game.
I'm still amazed you got lynched that game you were super townie.
FOR THE RECORD
This is a lie.
I did not vote Tom, and he was arguing against a lngrr lynch forever.
He served up no scums really, as I figured out Mindreaver was scum on my own but wanted to take suggestions.
Also can we stop talking about the bad game now please.
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Whatever. I have no idea what you're calling TMI (well I do, my defense of you, but that doesn't make a ton of sense in context) but this is a pointless waste of space at this stage.
Vote: RE
The DV exchange feels like attempted appeasement and the read feels premature even for a gut read.
I got like, the literal exact opposite feeling from that exchange. I already liked RE and was prepared to chew out DV for taking a misunderstanding and treating it like a scumslip, but then he backed down in a way that I didn't feel was scummy.
I've been on the receiving end of DV's attacks when we've been T/T and this pretty much looks like that. What looks like appeasement to you?
@Vaimes
No, but I see how you got there with that statement.
Well, maybe sort of. I'm looking to make "tweaks". "Tweaks" maybe is an understatement. Until, then I'm trying to stay out of it less. I'm doing a great job of that right now though. LOL.
I don't really know what's going on with LnGR, but ftr he's probably Not Mafia because rolling scum again would have broken him and it would be noticeable.
Not Voting (6): 1053nm, Shinichi, Hunger, Tubba Fett, Coballt, Cantripmancer
With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is May 14th at 1700 MST.
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Just so we are clear there is almost no way that Lngr is mafia for what he said. Maybe harmful third party but his talk about not having a faction and bringing it up in such a guileless fashion is not a mafia tactic in any stretch of the imagination.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
HR's comments about Secret Agent mafia and reading Secret Agent seem different though. HR is claiming they represent something they don't. And that sort of worries me, in Secret Agent mafia he does talk about not mass claiming, but its only about flavor claiming. Not really about any other type of claiming. I'm not sure in a 19 person game though not proposing a mass role claim day 1 seems correct, but ehhh.
If Lngr is implying that HR might be trying to "look townie" I might agree with that. I'm not sure really I need to see more from HR.
However,
I'm down with this Grape push. Vote Grape If anyone needs me reasons why look at Tom's/Vaime's comments on Grape. Its both for me.
@DV, it was more testing HR. His jp on me is what made me vote him. And we fought a bunch in Secret Agent too. I think he is one of those I will just scumread. For the record, he tends to do the same of me if secret Agent is indicative.
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Also I don't think I've ever seen HR make mechanical claim suggestions. So I disagree.
Thought we had an easy one here.
HR in multiple games has called for mass claims D1 because he thinks it puts mafia on a back foot and forced to come up with believable claims.
I am sure HR will share his general theory on mass claiming D1.
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I've only seen flavor claims.
Can you provide games where it was roles? Or mechanical in some way?
This is logical. I also like it. Chris for the Throne.
Care to put some clothes on that naked vote?
Because i work with what makes sense. Like factionless being an option makes sense. And there you go.
I disagree,
Also it was accurate, but didn't work with the information given. That's why Shadow changed the wording. We were right, under the current rule set it was impossible for it to be right.
Nice to see you are more likely town from this interaction though.
Those were both from Ghostbusters.
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And HEY what do you know, I was right too! *evil glares*
@Rodemy, come join me on Team Chris.
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this has been my ted talk.
Yeah it was your Role PM
I personally would have just answered any PM questioning it with "of course a player can be factionless how do you think factions work"
That's not bastard it's at worst a minor wording issue lol.
But now its clarified, and i dont even think its changes percentages on lngrrs alignment. Or yours/kamis/grapes/highrollers other than less likely to be partners with lngrr.
Want to say grape is scummiest out of the whole thing just because i expect this sort of thing out of the rest of you
Here's a big post from Banned. Frankly, I don't see how just flavor claiming could solve a game.
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You asked me about Shinichi, I didn’t get anything from the posts they’ve made so far. You seemed to have seen something and rereading you I’m still not sure what that is. Im with Rod on wanting more but I’ll use my own analogy. “Need some more meat on them bones.”
@All
Chris’ logic is shockingly sound. Claiming factionless in the fashion Lng did makes no sense from scum, and I would’ve expected his team to scream at him in day chat to correct himself in the thread. The closest to that was Tom saying “shutting up about it is the better version of that...”, which wouldn’t happen in thread if they were scum.
@Lng
Most likely scum on your wagon and why?
Which argument? I feel like most of them have been dumb.
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Rhand is an RVS vote, and LW was on before all this, so not counting those.
I seem to always end up scum reading HR. We seem to have wildly different thought patterns on playing mafia; I scum read him pretty hard early in Secret agent.
DV is wrong here, but early on I liked his posts. And he at least was engaging with me.
Whereas GF just jumped on and pretty much let others fight that battle. So... leaning GF I guess.
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Need to reread HR then.
BRB.
WOW
Rude.
True though.
I do push dumb *****.
That's the DV way to success or losses. Who knows.
I have read little of the last few pages though, as you lot picked up the game on my tv show's air day.
I do however appreciate the votes for the Throne. I promise it will be a good time!
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But its fine there's Chris taking solo credit again that's fine it's his playstyle we still don't lynch anak that day without me
And then he lynches you when you serve up two or three scum that game.
I'm still amazed you got lynched that game you were super townie.
You argued to kill Osie all day even after I started the Anak wagon! Just let me carry you and we win that game!
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FOR THE RECORD
This is a lie.
I did not vote Tom, and he was arguing against a lngrr lynch forever.
He served up no scums really, as I figured out Mindreaver was scum on my own but wanted to take suggestions.
Also can we stop talking about the bad game now please.
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I've been on the receiving end of DV's attacks when we've been T/T and this pretty much looks like that. What looks like appeasement to you?
No, but I see how you got there with that statement.
Well, maybe sort of. I'm looking to make "tweaks". "Tweaks" maybe is an understatement. Until, then I'm trying to stay out of it less. I'm doing a great job of that right now though. LOL.
I'm less concerned now.
Keep up the good work.
Hi Grape.
Lngrrr probably not Mafia. One or two scum on wagon I think.
My setupgaming was right too I just had rodemy wrong.
Like, i definitively had better reads than you that game how are you still like this.
This, however, is a new game. If youre town you should usually have better reads than me I don't even like this alignment lets lynch scum
HR's comments about Secret Agent mafia and reading Secret Agent seem different though. HR is claiming they represent something they don't. And that sort of worries me, in Secret Agent mafia he does talk about not mass claiming, but its only about flavor claiming. Not really about any other type of claiming. I'm not sure in a 19 person game though not proposing a mass role claim day 1 seems correct, but ehhh.
If Lngr is implying that HR might be trying to "look townie" I might agree with that. I'm not sure really I need to see more from HR.
However,
I'm down with this Grape push. Vote Grape If anyone needs me reasons why look at Tom's/Vaime's comments on Grape. Its both for me.
1053, lngrr, vaimes, tubba?
Wolfs:
Shin, grape
Solid start
@DV, it was more testing HR. His jp on me is what made me vote him. And we fought a bunch in Secret Agent too. I think he is one of those I will just scumread. For the record, he tends to do the same of me if secret Agent is indicative.
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Like grr is on hold, def not town yet
Chris: give me your highest scumread, and reasoning.
Yea Tom explain Tubba please.
Grr wagon too opportunistic imo. He's probably town just by some number of scum being on that flash wagon
Just feelin it bro
I'm town reading KA really high for this post.
@Tom fair enough then. Tubba hasn't done much in my mind to warrant a read either way.