KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I have my doubts about role copping being a town ability, Tom, even if I'm puzzled why they'd just let me keep shooting if they're in a good position.
I'm still not actually a serial killer though, and I'm telling the truth about my role for most part.
I have a nightly kill I can use on anyone that isn't a Stark/Night's Watch member, and I can win the game if I survive to the end with 3+ Stark/NW alive.
I do have a second alternate win condition which I'm preeetttty sure is just a full on SK that unlocks if the game falls under 3 Stark/NW, but it's still redacted for now.
I've been hardcore truthtelling/townsiding with reads today, though.
Vaimes is always town this game. Cantrip and Tom are very, very likely town.
Technically x=y could be scum but I really doubt scum have extra KP with a nightly killing neutral in game. Makes 0 sense from design balance, and if all shots go wrong the game could end way too fast.
Especially when you look up who all has pushed on x=y and it's basically a who is who of scum options.
So like.
I think there's almost 100% lock to be 1-2 in [KJ, Shin, GJ] and 2-3 in [Chris, Rhand, LnG, Hunger]
Should kill one of Rhand/LnG/Hunger with x=y shot, lynch the bulletproof, and I'll shoot another possible wolf in the second cluster tonight. Odds we don't hit at least 2 wolves is almost zero before start of next day, giving breathing room for us to try and fulfill win conditions across board.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I killed Highroller n1, and Tubba n2. I switched my shot back and forth between Tubba/Hunger/Rhand like 10 times before finally submitting it.
Logic on both was my priority selection for kills were 1) Don't hit possible Stark/NW, 2) Don't shoot people who are possible wolf kills now or down road, 3) Shoot lower posters to improve thread post density so I'm less likely to be NK'd, 4) Shoot possible wolves who aren't being wagoned.
Highroller had the possible scumslip on d1 with number of wolves and I didn't have time to actually read the thread in full so I just kinda yolo dunked that.
Tubba was mostly a 'Are there really no wolves in the Lannister faction?' shot, plus thinking he wasn't super trying to solve the game. Wasn't confident enough in it to actually lynch him since it's a playstyle thing in part too, but felt like a decent poe shot.
If I townside and northside, I think the game is pretty much on lock for town + north/starks to all win.
Why? I think he's kind of fallen under radar and not actually been looked at anyone this game. He claimed not to have a faction when the OP of thread explicitly said everyone has a faction right? Or am I misremembering that.
Feels like he could have just been straight up caught in a lie and it was let go/he coasted on it.
He looks bad on a lot of wagons packed full of flipped town/strong town etc.
He could be the town in that cluster, but I don't think he's at all clear.
@Shin, ok, because you said "I checked DV n1 mostly because he's a hard read and i wanted to actually make sure he was town", which sounded weird if you're not an alignment cop.
i mean it was mostly to hope he had a role that i consider town, like him showing up as vigilante I was like ***** hes town ok.
I have my doubts about role copping being a town ability, Tom, even if I'm puzzled why they'd just let me keep shooting if they're in a good position.
I'm still not actually a serial killer though, and I'm telling the truth about my role for most part.
I have a nightly kill I can use on anyone that isn't a Stark/Night's Watch member, and I can win the game if I survive to the end with 3+ Stark/NW alive.
I do have a second alternate win condition which I'm preeetttty sure is just a full on SK that unlocks if the game falls under 3 Stark/NW, but it's still redacted for now.
I've been hardcore truthtelling/townsiding with reads today, though.
Vaimes is always town this game. Cantrip and Tom are very, very likely town.
Technically x=y could be scum but I really doubt scum have extra KP with a nightly killing neutral in game. Makes 0 sense from design balance, and if all shots go wrong the game could end way too fast.
Especially when you look up who all has pushed on x=y and it's basically a who is who of scum options.
So like.
I think there's almost 100% lock to be 1-2 in [KJ, Shin, GJ] and 2-3 in [Chris, Rhand, LnG, Hunger]
Should kill one of Rhand/LnG/Hunger with x=y shot, lynch the bulletproof, and I'll shoot another possible wolf in the second cluster tonight. Odds we don't hit at least 2 wolves is almost zero before start of next day, giving breathing room for us to try and fulfill win conditions across board.
THis is literally all i wanted from you, i don't know why i had to force it out of you. I agree your win con is prob what you say it is, aslong as your telling the truth about your first win con.
Im just gonna leave out winds from being mafia tbh. Hes... just so likely to be SK here. In the offchance hes mafia full vig with, like, kj/gj/vaimes or some *****... whatever.
Maybe x=y should shoot him if hes got a shot but id still prefer hunger/kj aorn.
Anyway
Extra kills//bulletproof kami/winds/x=y//chris kami/winds/x=y//chris
(Not w/w, very unlikely v/v)
Technically x=y could be scum but I really doubt scum have extra KP with a nightly killing neutral in game. Makes 0 sense from design balance, and if all shots go wrong the game could end way too fast.
So this is the part im worried about you being townn vigilante i suppose who knows a day vig exists yet thinks he is town? Thats incredible KP for town, unless you're tpr.
I can read him. I have no reason to protect him. It's actually pro my win con to have him die, but I'm trying to town side so I can survive to achieve win con/have people cooperate.
Technically x=y could be scum but I really doubt scum have extra KP with a nightly killing neutral in game. Makes 0 sense from design balance, and if all shots go wrong the game could end way too fast.
So this is the part im worried about you being townn vigilante i suppose who knows a day vig exists yet thinks he is town? Thats incredible KP for town, unless you're tpr.
I've literally claimed neutral like 5 times duder.
I'm not a full serial killer, I'm basically a north-siding survivor who can also shoot non-north players.
I have my doubts about role copping being a town ability, Tom, even if I'm puzzled why they'd just let me keep shooting if they're in a good position.
I'm still not actually a serial killer though, and I'm telling the truth about my role for most part.
I have a nightly kill I can use on anyone that isn't a Stark/Night's Watch member, and I can win the game if I survive to the end with 3+ Stark/NW alive.
I do have a second alternate win condition which I'm preeetttty sure is just a full on SK that unlocks if the game falls under 3 Stark/NW, but it's still redacted for now.
I've been hardcore truthtelling/townsiding with reads today, though.
Vaimes is always town this game. Cantrip and Tom are very, very likely town.
Technically x=y could be scum but I really doubt scum have extra KP with a nightly killing neutral in game. Makes 0 sense from design balance, and if all shots go wrong the game could end way too fast.
Especially when you look up who all has pushed on x=y and it's basically a who is who of scum options.
So like.
I think there's almost 100% lock to be 1-2 in [KJ, Shin, GJ] and 2-3 in [Chris, Rhand, LnG, Hunger]
Should kill one of Rhand/LnG/Hunger with x=y shot, lynch the bulletproof, and I'll shoot another possible wolf in the second cluster tonight. Odds we don't hit at least 2 wolves is almost zero before start of next day, giving breathing room for us to try and fulfill win conditions across board.
i mean maybe shins just scum rolecop but then whos the scumteam that let him fear kill last night 1 and RE over you n2 after n1 rolecopping?
Technically x=y could be scum but I really doubt scum have extra KP with a nightly killing neutral in game. Makes 0 sense from design balance, and if all shots go wrong the game could end way too fast.
So this is the part im worried about you being townn vigilante i suppose who knows a day vig exists yet thinks he is town? Thats incredible KP for town, unless you're tpr.
I've literally claimed neutral like 5 times duder.
I'm not a full serial killer, I'm basically a north-siding survivor who can also shoot non-north players.
I can read him. I have no reason to protect him. It's actually pro my win con to have him die, but I'm trying to town side so I can survive to achieve win con/have people cooperate.
yeah i think so too
Youre "not 100 but 95%" read earlier today resonated with me pretty good.
Im more or less willing to "lose" to what would be a huge level up for him when id still win several times over
Also i think a fairly large percentage of the worlds where he could pull this off involves you and/or me being his partner
I switched my shot back and forth between Tubba/Hunger/Rhand like 10 times before finally submitting it.
You really couldn't have waited literally just one more Night to kill Tubba, huh.
I'd have your head for treason if you weren't my number one fan.
Also I literally can't trust you anymore, but it was fun while it lasted. You not shooting people like Chris or Rhand doesn't suggest townsiding to me.
I don’t get where all these Vaimes town reads come from. I just read the first 5 pages of his iso and there’s nothing there.
I don't know if you've noticed, but "completely ignore everyone else's reads and double down on a vaimes scumread even though it goes against gameflow because why would scum want to draw that much attention to themselves, really, why" is actually a pretty common mafia trope. Scumreading me looks towny.
Sadly, that ship set sail after the first hundred times scum tried it.
I'm still not actually a serial killer though, and I'm telling the truth about my role for most part.
I have a nightly kill I can use on anyone that isn't a Stark/Night's Watch member, and I can win the game if I survive to the end with 3+ Stark/NW alive.
"I'm not a Serial Killer, I'm just a neutral with a killing ability."
I'm still not actually a serial killer though, and I'm telling the truth about my role for most part.
I have a nightly kill I can use on anyone that isn't a Stark/Night's Watch member, and I can win the game if I survive to the end with 3+ Stark/NW alive.
"I'm not a Serial Killer, I'm just a neutral with a killing ability."
You can be my Court Jester instead of tom.
I mean, yes.
Serial killer implies 'only wins if last person alive', which isn't the case for me.
Why? I think he's kind of fallen under radar and not actually been looked at anyone this game. He claimed not to have a faction when the OP of thread explicitly said everyone has a faction right? Or am I misremembering that.
Feels like he could have just been straight up caught in a lie and it was let go/he coasted on it.
He looks bad on a lot of wagons packed full of flipped town/strong town etc.
He could be the town in that cluster, but I don't think he's at all clear.
Like, I don't want to rely on mod stuff, but Shadow did change the OP.
I also find it weird that you keep talking about scum pushing X=Y, when I have pretty much townread him this whole game.
Holy ***** lots of posts. Phone posting in bed and will have time to dig into this in the morning. Don't shoot or lynch anyone yet please.
Also I am Dany, xy is one of the dragons which I think is either explicitly stated or heavily implied multiple times in thread. He literally can't shoot me mechanically.
Can confirm that Shinichi is def rolecop, and him not revealing my other ability felt pretty +town for him at first, although I guess if he's scum it costs him nothing to keep it hidden. I have a tinfoil where Shin+Tom are playing us, but given the amount of solving Tom is doing, that feeling proooobably just stems from them chatting in faction. I'm going Tom and Shin as town, Winds as good doggo, and I'd prefer KJ or Rhand as the X=Y shot. Slight lean toward Rhand, maybe, because of KJ saying that he thinks LnG is town.
I also am still leaning town on LnG. I'd like some more from Hunger and GJ.
Don't want to vote vote until we get a pew pew to discuss.
Holy ***** lots of posts. Phone posting in bed and will have time to dig into this in the morning. Don't shoot or lynch anyone yet please.
Also I am Dany, xy is one of the dragons which I think is either explicitly stated or heavily implied multiple times in thread. He literally can't shoot me mechanically.
@lngrr
I believe you dont have a faction, im just no longer convinced that means youre town
Issue I have is no longer a dichotomy since his role could just be town, but his actions/shots still bother me. If I had s choice which I guess I do I rather vote rhand because scum read and it fulfills my win condition.
Not totally caught up since I ended up sleeping for 75% of this weekend, but time to full claim explicitly.
I’m Drogon, and I have a 50% day vig, that has a one successful shot. I also can’t kill Dany who Rod figured out was Hunger in N1 faction chat.
I didn’t claim the lack of another shot just in case scum were scared enough to shoot me but honestly I wasn’t that hopeful considering how inactive I was + possible mislynch being the counterwagon yesterday.
I kinda feel I need to totally re-evaluate my game reads. My lock town reads are like Cantrip and Vaimes.
Past that, I guess I think Tom and LnG are pretty town-y today. Tom is actively trying to solve and I think LnG tonally today reads as town + I liked their response to people who called them out on coasting after the D1 town read.
Mostly I’m just wondering about Shin. Kami/I were the two votes on Shin yesterday, but it never really went anywhere. Part of that was my shot sucking up the oxygen for discussion I guess but I’m pretty convinced based on the lack of traction that Shin is still scum because apart from RE it didn’t really feel like people started town reading Shin a lot, people were various hedges/not interested in lynching Shin D2.
It also makes me suspicious of GJ/Chris for similar reasons, it feels scum would have pushed harder if they were mislynches yesterday instead of then fizzling out around 3-4 votes and the final wagons ending up t/t.
Don’t really have a solid read on Hunger/KJ right now. I’ve seen some suspicion on KJ but that seems to be tom’s setup gaming mostly? Does anyone have a case on KJ that I’ve missed?
Rhand - I liked their start to d3 but stuff like his reaction to the kill d2 leaves him in my PoE.
I’ll respond to Wind’s post from early D3 when I get to a computer and keyboard.
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Not terribly surprised that X=Y is saying he was one-success-shot. Makes sense from a design standpoint and would also be what scum would say toDay to keep from being directed to kill their buddies. I'm still leaning town on XY, though.
I should have some time to look stuff over later today.
I'm still not actually a serial killer though, and I'm telling the truth about my role for most part.
I have a nightly kill I can use on anyone that isn't a Stark/Night's Watch member, and I can win the game if I survive to the end with 3+ Stark/NW alive.
I do have a second alternate win condition which I'm preeetttty sure is just a full on SK that unlocks if the game falls under 3 Stark/NW, but it's still redacted for now.
I've been hardcore truthtelling/townsiding with reads today, though.
Vaimes is always town this game. Cantrip and Tom are very, very likely town.
Technically x=y could be scum but I really doubt scum have extra KP with a nightly killing neutral in game. Makes 0 sense from design balance, and if all shots go wrong the game could end way too fast.
Especially when you look up who all has pushed on x=y and it's basically a who is who of scum options.
So like.
I think there's almost 100% lock to be 1-2 in [KJ, Shin, GJ] and 2-3 in [Chris, Rhand, LnG, Hunger]
Should kill one of Rhand/LnG/Hunger with x=y shot, lynch the bulletproof, and I'll shoot another possible wolf in the second cluster tonight. Odds we don't hit at least 2 wolves is almost zero before start of next day, giving breathing room for us to try and fulfill win conditions across board.
Logic on both was my priority selection for kills were 1) Don't hit possible Stark/NW, 2) Don't shoot people who are possible wolf kills now or down road, 3) Shoot lower posters to improve thread post density so I'm less likely to be NK'd, 4) Shoot possible wolves who aren't being wagoned.
Highroller had the possible scumslip on d1 with number of wolves and I didn't have time to actually read the thread in full so I just kinda yolo dunked that.
Tubba was mostly a 'Are there really no wolves in the Lannister faction?' shot, plus thinking he wasn't super trying to solve the game. Wasn't confident enough in it to actually lynch him since it's a playstyle thing in part too, but felt like a decent poe shot.
If I townside and northside, I think the game is pretty much on lock for town + north/starks to all win.
Why? I think he's kind of fallen under radar and not actually been looked at anyone this game. He claimed not to have a faction when the OP of thread explicitly said everyone has a faction right? Or am I misremembering that.
Feels like he could have just been straight up caught in a lie and it was let go/he coasted on it.
He looks bad on a lot of wagons packed full of flipped town/strong town etc.
He could be the town in that cluster, but I don't think he's at all clear.
i mean it was mostly to hope he had a role that i consider town, like him showing up as vigilante I was like ***** hes town ok.
THis is literally all i wanted from you, i don't know why i had to force it out of you. I agree your win con is prob what you say it is, aslong as your telling the truth about your first win con.
Im just gonna leave out winds from being mafia tbh. Hes... just so likely to be SK here. In the offchance hes mafia full vig with, like, kj/gj/vaimes or some *****... whatever.
Maybe x=y should shoot him if hes got a shot but id still prefer hunger/kj aorn.
Anyway
Extra kills//bulletproof
kami/winds/x=y//chriskami/winds/x=y//chris(Not w/w, very unlikely v/v)
+++++
Lannisters//freys+starks
tubba/kami/vaimes//rhandtubba/kami/vaimes//rhandtubba/kami/vaimes//rhandtubba/kami/vaimes//rhand+
last/tom/kj/shinlast/tom/kj/shinlast/tom/kj/shinlast/tom/kj/shin0 or 4 total in this loose group of 8 does not feel balanced or statistically likely in any way (randomized or not tbh)
Could see 2, 1, or 3. In that order of likelihood
+++++
Throne unlocks
kami/hr/1053/kj/hungerkami/hr/1053/kj/hungerkami/hr/1053/kj/hungerkami/hr/1053/kj/hungerLngrr>gj>>>>>cantrip remainder
So this is the part im worried about you being townn vigilante i suppose who knows a day vig exists yet thinks he is town? Thats incredible KP for town, unless you're tpr.
I can read him. I have no reason to protect him. It's actually pro my win con to have him die, but I'm trying to town side so I can survive to achieve win con/have people cooperate.
I've literally claimed neutral like 5 times duder.
I'm not a full serial killer, I'm basically a north-siding survivor who can also shoot non-north players.
Oh I missed the tpr claim
Youre "not 100 but 95%" read earlier today resonated with me pretty good.
Im more or less willing to "lose" to what would be a huge level up for him when id still win several times over
Also i think a fairly large percentage of the worlds where he could pull this off involves you and/or me being his partner
We got the names of like 3 people confirmed we couldn't kill at start of game with knowledge more existed, uh. Let me find it.
When Starks got trueclaimed I knew GJ had to be Night's Watch, then PoE'd it down to Cantrip probably having to be Night's Watch.
Flavorwise im jon and shinichi hasnt claimed afair but im 99% hes bran. That makes sense.
Was assuming cantrip was samwell but maybe gj is for ghost friendship and cantrips the master of ravens dude or some *****
@shadow
I is bran
Luckily even if that is the case theres probably still just... 1 to 3 scum in that stark/lannister/frey grouping statistically ~90% of the time anyway
I'd have your head for treason if you weren't my number one fan.
Also I literally can't trust you anymore, but it was fun while it lasted. You not shooting people like Chris or Rhand doesn't suggest townsiding to me.
Sadly, that ship set sail after the first hundred times scum tried it.
You can be my Court Jester instead of tom.
I mean, yes.
Serial killer implies 'only wins if last person alive', which isn't the case for me.
(And also the claimed wincon makes sense with not being able to kill some people or whatever)
But really **** it. we the north
I uh. May have lamented that fact when I got the three names. For reasons.
I get that it benefits starks, but like he has the capability of becoming a sk. He shouldn't be allowed to live if we can lynch scum today.
Like, I don't want to rely on mod stuff, but Shadow did change the OP.
I also find it weird that you keep talking about scum pushing X=Y, when I have pretty much townread him this whole game.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
So you still think x=y is scum?
@lngrr
I believe you dont have a faction, im just no longer convinced that means youre town
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Also I am Dany, xy is one of the dragons which I think is either explicitly stated or heavily implied multiple times in thread. He literally can't shoot me mechanically.
I also am still leaning town on LnG. I'd like some more from Hunger and GJ.
Don't want to vote vote until we get a pew pew to discuss.
Pew pew vote: Rhand
Idk how, but interesting
Not even sure i want to let him shoot?
If he shoots who we choose, then fine.
If he doesn't, there's no way to stop him.
unvote
Shot vote KJ
Issue I have is no longer a dichotomy since his role could just be town, but his actions/shots still bother me. If I had s choice which I guess I do I rather vote rhand because scum read and it fulfills my win condition.
I’m Drogon, and I have a 50% day vig, that has a one successful shot. I also can’t kill Dany who Rod figured out was Hunger in N1 faction chat.
I didn’t claim the lack of another shot just in case scum were scared enough to shoot me but honestly I wasn’t that hopeful considering how inactive I was + possible mislynch being the counterwagon yesterday.
I kinda feel I need to totally re-evaluate my game reads. My lock town reads are like Cantrip and Vaimes.
Past that, I guess I think Tom and LnG are pretty town-y today. Tom is actively trying to solve and I think LnG tonally today reads as town + I liked their response to people who called them out on coasting after the D1 town read.
Mostly I’m just wondering about Shin. Kami/I were the two votes on Shin yesterday, but it never really went anywhere. Part of that was my shot sucking up the oxygen for discussion I guess but I’m pretty convinced based on the lack of traction that Shin is still scum because apart from RE it didn’t really feel like people started town reading Shin a lot, people were various hedges/not interested in lynching Shin D2.
It also makes me suspicious of GJ/Chris for similar reasons, it feels scum would have pushed harder if they were mislynches yesterday instead of then fizzling out around 3-4 votes and the final wagons ending up t/t.
Don’t really have a solid read on Hunger/KJ right now. I’ve seen some suspicion on KJ but that seems to be tom’s setup gaming mostly? Does anyone have a case on KJ that I’ve missed?
Rhand - I liked their start to d3 but stuff like his reaction to the kill d2 leaves him in my PoE.
I’ll respond to Wind’s post from early D3 when I get to a computer and keyboard.
The longer you wait the stronger by scum read will get
-Bolton Words
Sir Chris (2): Vaimes, Thousand_Winds
XequalsY (2): Shinichi, Sir Chris
Rhand (1): Vaimes*
Not Voting (8): Killjoy, Hunger, LnGrrrR, Cantripmancer, Gentleman Johnny, XequalsY, tomsloger, Rhand
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If Vaimes doesn't vote me in a day or so, I would like you to vote me X.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Not terribly surprised that X=Y is saying he was one-success-shot. Makes sense from a design standpoint and would also be what scum would say toDay to keep from being directed to kill their buddies. I'm still leaning town on XY, though.
I should have some time to look stuff over later today.