Your post wasn't very clear. You said, "I was trying to push the world where the the day vig was scum and the vigilante existed yet you were trying to push that an sk existed and day vig was town" which doesn't really make sense to me. Why were you trying to "push" a world in which the dayvig is scum?
The " I know your role through my ability" was throwing me off. I haven't really kept up with the various factions, so I couldn't remember if you were a Stark or not.
Your post wasn't very clear. You said, "I was trying to push the world where the the day vig was scum and the vigilante existed yet you were trying to push that an sk existed and day vig was town" which doesn't really make sense to me. Why were you trying to "push" a world in which the dayvig is scum?
The " I know your role through my ability" was throwing me off. I haven't really kept up with the various factions, so I couldn't remember if you were a Stark or not.
Sorry if my world was off, based on the shots of the day vig i assuumed it was scum aligned which meant the other kill during the night to me had to be from a vigilante. However rethinking it over today, knowing TW role i was like holy ***** this guy must be SK. It explains why he hasnt fully outted hes vigilante.
Hi everyone, I've been moving into my new place the last week. I now have 700mb internet and also some observations
1. I have town read both lynches. I told you that lynching both of those wasn't the way to go. And yet, somehow, epic "town leader Vaimes" and now "special assistant to the King" Winds found those lynches totally cool and are following up by trying to kill another town member.
2. The above doesn't have to mean they are both scum, in fact if Vaimes is scum I doubt Winds is due to boldness issues in vaimes' scum identity, namely that he doesn't have any. However I think we all need to recognize that scum has been outplaying us...
also I got a mechanical keyboard for the first time in a year oh my god it is s easy to type on this thing.
Anyway scum has been outplaying us and a large reason why is my voice has been effectively silenced because I have not been able to be as active as I usually am. My town reads? Ignored. My scum reads? Not pushed. Look at the game state and look how many dead townies I leaned town on and you may start to realize that Chris isn't the scum mastermind, but merely the town member who has had a very hectic time of it.
I grilled x=y in targ chat last night. He did not respond well. Hunger can hopefully back this up that his rely to me was garbage and was the bare standard of "please stop hurting me" as I poked him a few times.
[b#]#vote: x=y[/b]
This is not town. I am acting against my targ wincon by letting you all know "this is not town" and it is infuriating that, collectively at least, youy are all caught in second tier meta of day vig or something to excuse not lynching this slot. Spoiler: I am better than all of you, my activity in this game be damned. There is no town meta that any of you understand better than me. No role meta that is beyond the scope of my two decade of mafia experience. Your excuses are weak, and when this slot flips scum (night chat seriously nailed this home that he is not in a town progression mindset - he just repeated himself weakly) I am very much willing to wager that some people who defended this and pushed onto KA are scum.
So come after me if you want but a word of warning I have internet and a bit more free time and I will knock you the **** out right now, because we are very close to losing because I couldn't hard carry you guys. I shouldn't have to hard carry every game. It is town's duty to have EVERYONE contribute. But fine. One last time on MTG, ONE LAST TIME TO THE WELL OF HARD CARRY for this listless, pathetic town as a collective.
Wake the **** up and listen to me or lynch me, but we're not lynching anyone but x=y unless it is me so I can at least say I put my money where my mouth is.
this is all bravado and no solving bruh
Like, winds is SK and chris doesn't mention it wrt his read on dayvig?
In theory, if chris is town bp x=y is way more likely scum but its not a slam dunk or nothing and chris is still just... a startling lack of thoughtfulness
Anyway since shin has all the subtlety of a freight train...
He told us in stark chat last night that hes a rolecop and targeted winds n1. Wouldnt mind winds claiming his real role to confirm what shin said before shin keeps talking and ruins it, but i think scum shin teams would have just killed him, yeah?
Winds SK
Mafia = [Chris>x=y] + [kj>rhand>shin>vaimes] + figure out the rest out of (hunger/lngrr/gj/cantrip/maybe another in the starks + people starks need to kill)
Wait, targeted D1!?!? And you kept that on the low as he continued to kill townies? And tried to play up that X=Y was a scum day vig as Winds continued to kill townies?
Yeah, forget that noise. If you want to only worry about the Stark wincon and not, ya know, killing mafia, you can get wrecked.
@Shin, why target Thousand winds? And if you knew Winds was the SK at beginning of the day, why not mention it?
at least last night, shin seemed to believe winds was town vig. I was the one telling him hes clearly SK, which was pretty much confirmed for me based on
I think x=y is town, we have a night SK, and Chris has high equity of being a wolf bulletproof.
There being two limited kill power on town (Kami/X=Y) makes sense to me, and I think a full night vig will claim today if it exists, making this a moot discussion.
I also told shin (and kj) not to out it immediately so i could make sure winds wasnt town vig, but the jig was up at this point
Anyway since shin has all the subtlety of a freight train...
He told us in stark chat last night that hes a rolecop and targeted winds n1. Wouldnt mind winds claiming his real role to confirm what shin said before shin keeps talking and ruins it, but i think scum shin teams would have just killed him, yeah?
Thats not nice >3>, if i had realized the sk thing before the night ended i would have brought it up in our chat but it just clicked.
Also I literally just need to be elected king one more time to win and avenge my siblings. I don’t even have to survive the Night, in case TW or the mafia just really hate the Lannisters.
RE1031 has died! She was:[spoiler=RE1031]Player: RE1031
Character: Gendry
Faction: Baratheon
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Blacksmith (Active) - Each night you may forge and give an item to another player. Your items include: one shot RoleCop, one shot Tracker, one shot Watcher. You cannot create more that two of any item throughout the course of the game, and each item will be usable alongside other abilities as long as it has the same target as the user's ability target.
Factional Win Conditions: Brother's United - [redacted until end game]
-or- Ours is the Fury - [redacted until end game]
@Vaimes, not yet, because you and Tom have to help me actually accomplish my wincon. Which involves LYNCHING AT LEAST ONE SCUM IN THIS GAME. Holy cow. If you all accept an alt wincon as town without lynching a single scum I will make fun of you forever.
Chris is mafia bp or x=y is mafia dayvig. Never both. Rarely neither.
The stark vs lannister/frey wincon thing makes me strongly suspect scum in those factions. Could be 1 each in kj/shin and rhand/vaimes? Strongly doubt theres 0 scum among the 8...
@Vaimes, not yet, because you and Tom have to help me actually accomplish my wincon. Which involves LYNCHING AT LEAST ONE SCUM IN THIS GAME. Holy cow. If you all accept an alt wincon as town without lynching a single scum I will make fun of you forever.
@Shin, the only wincon I have is the normal town one. But I think it will be quite difficult if we don't get a single scum lynch. Wouldn't you agree? Everyone is angling for a factional win and I'm sitting over here boiling up.
@Shin, the only wincon I have is the normal town one. But I think it will be quite difficult if we don't get a single scum lynch. Wouldn't you agree? Everyone is angling for a factional win and I'm sitting over here boiling up.
I dont want a factional win as much as tom and KJ, i just want to lynch scum. Seeing as how I think rhand is scum its actually a win win for me to vote him, i want to wait for XY to come back first.
On a side note, I checked cantrip who has another ability, however, I won't out it cause it is actually beneficial to the town. He was the person I checked N2 because i wanted to figure out his read on RE. I checked DV n1 mostly because he's a hard read and i wanted to actually make sure he was town.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Shin, ok, because you said "I checked DV n1 mostly because he's a hard read and i wanted to actually make sure he was town", which sounded weird if you're not an alignment cop.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If i trusted hunger or kj id love to unlock some more stuff
But i dont.
I think that makes sense flavorwise for who gets a throne unlock?
Certainly stannis/renley/cersei.
Robb makes sense
A targaryen... yeah? I mean maybe daenarys... i still dont really know im just assuming x=y is dany. No ones claimed or flipped with an ability AND an unlock and if hunger has throne unlock hes gotta be either her brother or drogo...
Could see there being 1 or 2 scum with unlocks. 2 makes tubbas role a town disruptive essentially.
Seriously doubt 0 but it could be unclaimed. But if its unclaimed thats 6 total and theres still probably another in kj/hunger.
Part of why im still thinking kj more likely than shin even after reading RE flip, since kj is in two groupings that i think contain scum. But im not married to it, and i do think shinichi+hunger seem viable
The " I know your role through my ability" was throwing me off. I haven't really kept up with the various factions, so I couldn't remember if you were a Stark or not.
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Sorry if my world was off, based on the shots of the day vig i assuumed it was scum aligned which meant the other kill during the night to me had to be from a vigilante. However rethinking it over today, knowing TW role i was like holy ***** this guy must be SK. It explains why he hasnt fully outted hes vigilante.
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Like, winds is SK and chris doesn't mention it wrt his read on dayvig?
In theory, if chris is town bp x=y is way more likely scum but its not a slam dunk or nothing and chris is still just... a startling lack of thoughtfulness
He told us in stark chat last night that hes a rolecop and targeted winds n1. Wouldnt mind winds claiming his real role to confirm what shin said before shin keeps talking and ruins it, but i think scum shin teams would have just killed him, yeah?
Winds SK
Mafia = [Chris>x=y] + [kj>rhand>shin>vaimes] + figure out the rest out of (hunger/lngrr/gj/cantrip/maybe another in the starks + people starks need to kill)
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Yeah, forget that noise. If you want to only worry about the Stark wincon and not, ya know, killing mafia, you can get wrecked.
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I also told shin (and kj) not to out it immediately so i could make sure winds wasnt town vig, but the jig was up at this point
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Thats not nice >3>, if i had realized the sk thing before the night ended i would have brought it up in our chat but it just clicked.
*have 2 starks survive to endgame
Yes, we can lynch rhand or vaimes and achieve both right now if game over, and the first one regardless
Scum:
Chris
Xequalsy? (If winds is the sk that is, thought the opposite doesnt really clear wind)
GJ
Rhanda
Tubba? If 5 mafia exists
tpr:
TW
this what my world is looking like, problem is tw cant really be lynched today anyways. Scum absolutely needs to be hit
Winds being alive more than counteracts the fact that rolecop is a >rand scum role imo
Also I’m Jaime, not Joffrey.
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Nevermind on that part tbh
Also you can have my vote, sure. But looking at factions, I’m in more immediate danger of dying, soooo.
@Shin, please tell us who else you targeted.
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(Promise I’ll stop fluff posting once I’m actually home.)
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Chris is mafia bp or x=y is mafia dayvig. Never both. Rarely neither.
The stark vs lannister/frey wincon thing makes me strongly suspect scum in those factions. Could be 1 each in kj/shin and rhand/vaimes? Strongly doubt theres 0 scum among the 8...
Remainder in lngrr/hunger/gj prolly
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didn't say tubba was dead in the OP >3> the game lied to me, and i always forget who dies XD.
seems like a very simple win con?
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I dont want a factional win as much as tom and KJ, i just want to lynch scum. Seeing as how I think rhand is scum its actually a win win for me to vote him, i want to wait for XY to come back first.
Fulfills the north remembers wincon because hes frey
Then if hes scum, great
But if not and it really is lylo, i immediately fulfill "Winter is coming" and one of the nights watch wincons via the game ending
Though those two are true regardless of the faction of any potential game ending mislynch.
So I'd rather just kill the most likely scum, which continues to feel like chris
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I kind of want to win 4 times though (including the town one, the other nights watch one seems moderately unachievable atp)
Awesome
I'd vote Rhand. His "I ISO'd KJ and he's worrysome" is a scum rhand thing.
Also I also don't recall tubba dying.
Role cop I guess? I learn their abilities and their flavor name. I aint told faction, or faction win conditions, or alignment
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But i dont.
I think that makes sense flavorwise for who gets a throne unlock?
Certainly stannis/renley/cersei.
Robb makes sense
A targaryen... yeah? I mean maybe daenarys... i still dont really know im just assuming x=y is dany. No ones claimed or flipped with an ability AND an unlock and if hunger has throne unlock hes gotta be either her brother or drogo...
Could see there being 1 or 2 scum with unlocks. 2 makes tubbas role a town disruptive essentially.
Seriously doubt 0 but it could be unclaimed. But if its unclaimed thats 6 total and theres still probably another in kj/hunger.
Part of why im still thinking kj more likely than shin even after reading RE flip, since kj is in two groupings that i think contain scum. But im not married to it, and i do think shinichi+hunger seem viable