Already liked cantrip for town, but pending some poking around at the posts relating to claim i think the way he used it is extremely in line with towncantrip just trying to get some reads on people with it, whereas i think hed do something flashier with a scum crier role.
I like rhands process to start the day as well. Have sort of just been... steadily feeling better about him ever since i tried to wagon him day 1 i think he might be one of my top towns pre reread
Dont think anyone else said anything super noteworthy yet, besides a Thing related to Another Thing from factional chat, but im keeping that in reserve for now
Counterpoint = I vaguely feel like Rhands burst of activity was calculated to generate town reads on a day where he's a possible lynch option and wolves need to seal a mislynch.
(Also kind of think he almost has to be a wolf by pure PoE, but that's a future post of mine coming)
I've gone back and forth a couple times if I think people were randomized into factions or not.
I think it has potential to basically make a lot of win conditions literally unwinnable if randomization exists, but game feels breakable/modgameable if it's not.
Like one of my win conditions is The pack survives, and I think town winning while 2+ wolves being in that grouping of 5-6 names and the requisite number of players surviving til endgame is like. Tiny as *****.
Ok home now, starting in earnest with reading today.
Also thanks in advance for breaking up my multiposting
First things first: this game does not have 3 town killing roles. It just doesn't.
Kami was town unlockable vig (and a pretty easy unlock with tubba role)
X=y has the public daykill
And theres been an extra kill each night
One of those last two is either mafia or an SK. Maybe even one of each
While we're there, chris' claimed bulletproof (which im assuming is almost always real if hes scum, possibly fake if town but lets just assume real here) really starts to just look like a scum role if the kills are town/town/SK, and an approximately NAI role if one kill is mafia controlled
So realistically i think theres 1-3 "nontown" in [night vig]/x=y/chris/kami.
Most likely 1 mafia and 1 sk imo
I welcome/relish discussion on this
I think x=y is town, we have a night SK, and Chris has high equity of being a wolf bulletproof.
There being two limited kill power on town (Kami/X=Y) makes sense to me, and I think a full night vig will claim today if it exists, making this a moot discussion.
I also think a lot of plausible wolves jumped on X=Y attacking it as bad, not wolfy, and it didn't really feel like people trying to figure out his alignment, just get a mislynch.
Possible the game would be easier if he'd been lynched yesterday because it kind of divides the game into two worlds, but is what it is.
Already liked cantrip for town, but pending some poking around at the posts relating to claim i think the way he used it is extremely in line with towncantrip just trying to get some reads on people with it, whereas i think hed do something flashier with a scum crier role.
I like rhands process to start the day as well. Have sort of just been... steadily feeling better about him ever since i tried to wagon him day 1 i think he might be one of my top towns pre reread
Dont think anyone else said anything super noteworthy yet, besides a Thing related to Another Thing from factional chat, but im keeping that in reserve for now
Counterpoint = I vaguely feel like Rhands burst of activity was calculated to generate town reads on a day where he's a possible lynch option and wolves need to seal a mislynch.
(Also kind of think he almost has to be a wolf by pure PoE, but that's a future post of mine coming)
sure yes, wolves have at least as much reason to be townie in lylo as town does. Still think he has good process overall but rhands a good wolf its certainly possible
I'm gonna just run down through the playerlist and try and organize my thoughts a little.
Dead Players:
Grapefruit21, Lord Varys: Town, lynched day 1.
Highroller, Renly Baratheon: Town, killed night 1.
Lastwhisper, Arya Stark: Town, killed night 1.
1053nm, Stannis Baratheon: Town, killed day 2.
KamikazeArchon, Cersei Lannister: Town, lynched day 2.
Tubba Fett, Tywin Lannister: Town, killed night 2.
RE101, Gendry Baratheon: Town, killed night 2.
Alive Players:
Vaimes
Sir Chris
Cantripmancer
Shinichi
Rhand
Hunger
LnGrrrR
Gentleman Johnny (r. Cobalt)
XequalsY (r. Rodemy)
Killjoy
Thousand_Winds (r. D_V)
tomsloger
13 live players. My best guess is we're probably looking at 4 wolves and a SK. Maybe even 5 wolves, but that'd mean my reads are beyond abysmal since I struggle to even find 4 in the playerlist.
I'm town.
Vaimes and Cantrip I've talked about, and feel pretty good about them both being town here.
Tom is kind of a complicated read that I've avoided thinking about or talking about too much because I'm not lynching him as a Stark anyways, yet, but I actually think I'm decently there on him being town. Think he's doing his own solving thing and thinking about the game and setup in a way that makes sense to him even if I disagree with some of the logic used. Think he's not done the Tom wolf staples that I have no interest in talking about this game, but while he's had an agenda and played towards his alt win conditions I don't think he's as... primary win condition agenda driven as he'd be if he were a wolf. Regardless, pretty sure he's just town here.
That leaves:
Sir Chris
Shinichi
Rhand
Hunger
LnGrrrR
Gentleman Johnny (r. Cobalt)
XequalsY (r. Rodemy)
Killjoy
We're probably looking at our 4 wolves in this cluster of names somewhere. Maybe the SK too, but differentiating between town and SK is uh. Difficult.
A lot of these names have pushed on X=Y. I think X=Y is likely to be town, especially if the night vig is a SK, and our KP is him + the highly conditional Kami kill.
I think it's... difficult for there to be more than 1 wolf in KJ/Shinichi/GJ, from a perspective of me achieving my win condition. It's not impossible, but I think I trust the balance team enough that it'd be a real cluster**** for that to be the case. GJ might actually just be clear, pending claim, but for now leaving him in the Stark/NW cluster of confusion.
So if X=Y is town, and there's 1 or at absolute most 2 (and 1 is more likely) in KJ/Shinichi/GJ, then there are probably 3 wolves in:
Sir Chris
Rhand
Hunger
LnGrrrR
I should have stayed with Sir Chris yesterday. He claimed, got wagoned, and just..stopped trying to solve. I kind of talked myself out of his lynch assuming he'd have more fire as a wolf but maybe the correct read is he just had no fire as either alignment and should have been lynched just for the lack of villageriness.
LnG is actually my current bet for SK, given the 'no faction' claim which I'm...kind of doubting. Littlefinger maybe? I dunno. He has a little bit of wolf equity just from PoE too, and being on some wagons that have flipped town with a ton of town, and kind of semi-coasting since he got cleared early game.
Hunger/Rhand just... haven't really been all that town. I remember thinking there was probably a wolf in Hunger/Kami for some reason, should try and find that reasoning, and Rhand being a wolf makes sense with the d1 wagon dissipation/not being pushed again despite him not..doing anything. Feel like wolves would have been all over helping Starks kill him so they could just pass off the blame if he flipped v.
Im jon snow
My other faction is the nights watch
Strongly suspect cantrip is samwell tarly
No idea about johnny
Yeah, that matches what I'm thinking.
I'm Ghost. I'm just part of The North, where I have ties to Starks and Night's Watch, and win conditions are just to keep them both alive as much as I can, plus a redacted win condition that I haven't unlocked yet. I feel like it might kick in if someone dies, maybe you even?
Oh wait, you are in my faction. But, win con factgions I can't imagine being super impact to being a village. Mine is a little bit, but don't mind explaining it.
Who was this aimed at? Cantrip hadn’t posted for a while.
It would be hilarious if this was a slip.
About the SK: if there is one, I don’t think it can be x=y unless he can kill at Night as well. An SK with a daykill is already hard to play. If that kill can botch, it becomes near impossible to win.
I still believe a massclaim is what we need.
Ok home now, starting in earnest with reading today.
Also thanks in advance for breaking up my multiposting
First things first: this game does not have 3 town killing roles. It just doesn't.
Kami was town unlockable vig (and a pretty easy unlock with tubba role)
X=y has the public daykill
And theres been an extra kill each night
One of those last two is either mafia or an SK. Maybe even one of each
While we're there, chris' claimed bulletproof (which im assuming is almost always real if hes scum, possibly fake if town but lets just assume real here) really starts to just look like a scum role if the kills are town/town/SK, and an approximately NAI role if one kill is mafia controlled
So realistically i think theres 1-3 "nontown" in [night vig]/x=y/chris/kami.
Most likely 1 mafia and 1 sk imo
I welcome/relish discussion on this
I think x=y is town, we have a night SK, and Chris has high equity of being a wolf bulletproof.
There being two limited kill power on town (Kami/X=Y) makes sense to me, and I think a full night vig will claim today if it exists, making this a moot discussion.
I also think a lot of plausible wolves jumped on X=Y attacking it as bad, not wolfy, and it didn't really feel like people trying to figure out his alignment, just get a mislynch.
Possible the game would be easier if he'd been lynched yesterday because it kind of divides the game into two worlds, but is what it is.
thoughts on chris claim + last and 1053 flips?
Um. I'm not actually sure what Last and 1053 were hold on.
yeah i was already thinking about voting him, then read 1053 flip because i couldn't remember which brother him and highroller were
I must have forgotten completely
Also, thats now 3 town with abilities that unlock with iron throne... and kj has claimed the same trigger.
yeah i was already thinking about voting him, then read 1053 flip because i couldn't remember which brother him and highroller were
I must have forgotten completely
Also, thats now 3 town with abilities that unlock with iron throne... and kj has claimed the same trigger.
Chris/kj+2 and you're SK?
I'm not actually the SK, though.
I'm also not /town/, and think my redacted win condition might be backup SK? But as it stands I'm just a Stark/Night Watch aligned survivor.
1) Survive the game with at least 3 Stark + Night's Watch members also alive.
2) Unknown - there's an unlock trigger that hasn't triggered. I currently have no abilities, but it's insinuated I might have one unlock when my secondary win condition unlocks, hence thinking I might be a backup SK - or turn into a SK if all the stark/NW die or something.
I think survivors are dumb, I think neutrals are dumb, so I've largely just. Tried to be a town member while protecting the stark/nw people from the lynch. Just got a little bit of panic that I was getting too town read and would be NK'd, hence my EoD shenanigans with open howling at the wolf team to not shoot me or starks.
yeah i was already thinking about voting him, then read 1053 flip because i couldn't remember which brother him and highroller were
I must have forgotten completely
Also, thats now 3 town with abilities that unlock with iron throne... and kj has claimed the same trigger.
Chris/kj+2 and you're SK?
I'm not actually the SK, though.
I'm also not /town/, and think my redacted win condition might be backup SK? But as it stands I'm just a Stark/Night Watch aligned survivor.
Kills are coming from elsewhere.
Nice try! Could have worked if this was based on an alignment check of some sort
You're still a very good boi. Too bad about the murdering.
I dont think we lynch you today though. Thats the good news.
And why does it matter how many mafia/town there are in Stark/Nightwatch if your wincon doesn’t care about alignment?
It doesn't really, but I need 3 of them alive combined + me also being alive, and I think a ton of them being wolves is pretty unlikely from a design perspective for me to also win? I dunno. I figured it was best way to play it to try and just find wolves elsewhere and hope things worked out.
My reads in the big post I just did are 100% accurate/true, just I think there's a decent chance 1-2 of Shinichi/KJ/GJ are wolves. Still means there's 2-3 wolves elsewhere, and Chris is almost certainly one of them.
I mean. I feel like I can super clearly win with town regardless of whether or not you think I'm a SK or just survivor. I just need 3 of [Tom, Shinichi, GJ, Cantrip] to be alive when the game ends.
...I also could win with wolves I guess as long as 3 of those stay alive, but the part of me that really hates neutrals and likes seeing wolves flip red is against that even if it's dumb.
I mean you can keep up the charade if youd like i doubt it matters.
I think if x=y has another shot we maybe target winds with it but otherwise we gotta hit a bunch of scum in a row anyway let winds clear out the middle.
I think X=Y shooting one of Rhand/Hunger/Maybe LnG and us lynching Sir Chris his two wolves today a high % of the time, and 1 basically guaranteed (Chris is almost always a wolf here).
Probably can get some anti-alignment clears off of Chris even before this to make the vig shot higher hit %.
D3 Lynch chris
N3 SK, whoever they may be shoots in hunger/rhand/lngrr since he digs starks and nights watch
D4 Lynch kj
My personal preference
Why are you so sold on it being KJ?
I feel like it's basically a tossup between him/Shinichi/GJ, you have no idea how much my heart sank reading their posts and being like 'jesus christ is everyone I have to keep alive seriously this wolfy?' when subbing in.
I prefer Vaimes because I think he’s scum and lynching him fulfills my wincon, but if we’re gonna use your doggy to kill people, we should probably be looking for Stark/Nightwatch scum toDay.
@Thousand: I’m convinced you are SK yes. I’m going to reread your iso with this info in mind.
If there’s multiple scum in stark/nightwatch, the role you claimed is meant to side with scum. Which you would’ve figured out yourself if you were indeed just a survivor. Which makes your poe all wrong.
I prefer Vaimes because I think he’s scum and lynching him fulfills my wincon, but if we’re gonna use your doggy to kill people, we should probably be looking for Stark/Nightwatch scum toDay.
@Thousand: I’m convinced you are SK yes. I’m going to reread your iso with this info in mind.
If there’s multiple scum in stark/nightwatch, the role you claimed is meant to side with scum. Which you would’ve figured out yourself if you were indeed just a survivor. Which makes your poe all wrong.
D3 Lynch chris
N3 SK, whoever they may be shoots in hunger/rhand/lngrr since he digs starks and nights watch
D4 Lynch kj
My personal preference
Why are you so sold on it being KJ?
I feel like it's basically a tossup between him/Shinichi/GJ, you have no idea how much my heart sank reading their posts and being like 'jesus christ is everyone I have to keep alive seriously this wolfy?' when subbing in.
youre welcome tbh
Ive been townie af
Im not THAT sold, but i do think hes been scummiest, and i kinda dig the distribution of iron throne unlocks thing. 1 scum, 3 town.
I prefer Vaimes because I think he’s scum and lynching him fulfills my wincon, but if we’re gonna use your doggy to kill people, we should probably be looking for Stark/Nightwatch scum toDay.
@Thousand: I’m convinced you are SK yes. I’m going to reread your iso with this info in mind.
If there’s multiple scum in stark/nightwatch, the role you claimed is meant to side with scum. Which you would’ve figured out yourself if you were indeed just a survivor. Which makes your poe all wrong.
please make the case vaimes is scummier than chris
I dare you
Eh wait, If Thousand’s wincon is as he claims, then lynching town toDay makes him win on the spot with scum:
12 alive. Lynch town. 11 alive. Go to Night. 1-2 town killed. Wake up 4 scum, 4-5 town, survivor.
Scum + survivor win.
Even if x=y hits scum: 11 alive. Night. 1-2 town killed. Wake up 3 scum, 4-5 town, survivor.
Scum + survivor win if 2 town die.
I prefer Vaimes because I think he’s scum and lynching him fulfills my wincon, but if we’re gonna use your doggy to kill people, we should probably be looking for Stark/Nightwatch scum toDay.
@Thousand: I’m convinced you are SK yes. I’m going to reread your iso with this info in mind.
If there’s multiple scum in stark/nightwatch, the role you claimed is meant to side with scum. Which you would’ve figured out yourself if you were indeed just a survivor. Which makes your poe all wrong.
please make the case vaimes is scummier than chris
I dare you
I think they’re both scum. But lynching Vaimes fulfills my alternate, lynching Chris doesn’t.
I prefer Vaimes because I think he’s scum and lynching him fulfills my wincon, but if we’re gonna use your doggy to kill people, we should probably be looking for Stark/Nightwatch scum toDay.
@Thousand: I’m convinced you are SK yes. I’m going to reread your iso with this info in mind.
If there’s multiple scum in stark/nightwatch, the role you claimed is meant to side with scum. Which you would’ve figured out yourself if you were indeed just a survivor. Which makes your poe all wrong.
please make the case vaimes is scummier than chris
I dare you
I think they’re both scum. But lynching Vaimes fulfills my alternate, lynching Chris doesn’t.
Anyways, I’m gonna read KJ’s iso.
That makes no sense, they're never both scum this game.
Remind me why LnG is town again? He looks so terrible on a lot of these.
honestly it was a day 1 semi claim that really made me pretty sure he didnt have setup info but if youre claiming a redacted wincon maybe you should look lemme find it
Anyway i didn't remember right at all what happened but lngrr claimed no wincons in RVS and i think i believe him therefore...
And thats where i stopped tbh
I thought he claimed no faction, when the OP says everyone has a faction.
People just went like ??? no wolf would lie about that, and wrote him off as a town, or something.
I dunno, just think he's worth re-examining given the PoE + him kind of coasting on it + him looking bad on a lot of vote counts surrounded by confirmed not-wolves.
I'm going to get some sleep, but I'd like people talk about and solve in this:
1-2 in KJ/Shinichi/GJ
2-3 in Chris/Rhand/Hunger/LnGrrrR
I probably feel the best about Hunger's posts in any of those names btw, I iso'd him pretty recently and would be pretty impressed if he's a wolf here, I caught him pretty easy the last time I played v/w vs. him. Just it's not good enough to put him above the rest of my clears.
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Counterpoint = I vaguely feel like Rhands burst of activity was calculated to generate town reads on a day where he's a possible lynch option and wolves need to seal a mislynch.
(Also kind of think he almost has to be a wolf by pure PoE, but that's a future post of mine coming)
Literally just got home and logged in to catch up on reading, but I'm dead on my feet and off to bed.
But feel free to run amok with the solvey solvertons,
SherlockTom. I look forward to what else you've sorted out when I wake up tomorrow.I think it has potential to basically make a lot of win conditions literally unwinnable if randomization exists, but game feels breakable/modgameable if it's not.
Like one of my win conditions is The pack survives, and I think town winning while 2+ wolves being in that grouping of 5-6 names and the requisite number of players surviving til endgame is like. Tiny as *****.
Starks:
Tom
Last - arya, ascetic
Shin - redacted
Kj - robb, <throne unlock ?>
Lannisters:
kami - cersei, throne unlock vig
tubba - tywin, kingmaker
Vaimes - joffrey?
Frey:
Rhand - walder
Targaryen:
X=y - dany?, Dayvig
Chris - jorah, bp
Hunger
Baratheon:
RE - gendry, inventor
1053 - stannis, throne unlock lightning rod
HR - renley, throne unlock doctor
Factionless:
grape - varys, gained my wincons
Lngrr - doesnt know wincon?
Winds - direwolf?
Was gonna say "unknown" but since anyone can POE this, "my other faction":
Cantrip - crier
Gj
Will look forward to that future post
Im jon snow
My other faction is the nights watch
Strongly suspect cantrip is samwell tarly
No idea about johnny
Dead Players:
Grapefruit21, Lord Varys: Town, lynched day 1.
Highroller, Renly Baratheon: Town, killed night 1.
Lastwhisper, Arya Stark: Town, killed night 1.
1053nm, Stannis Baratheon: Town, killed day 2.
KamikazeArchon, Cersei Lannister: Town, lynched day 2.
Tubba Fett, Tywin Lannister: Town, killed night 2.
RE101, Gendry Baratheon: Town, killed night 2.
Alive Players:
Vaimes
Sir Chris
Cantripmancer
Shinichi
Rhand
Hunger
LnGrrrR
Gentleman Johnny (r. Cobalt)
XequalsY (r. Rodemy)
Killjoy
Thousand_Winds (r. D_V)
tomsloger
13 live players. My best guess is we're probably looking at 4 wolves and a SK. Maybe even 5 wolves, but that'd mean my reads are beyond abysmal since I struggle to even find 4 in the playerlist.
I'm town.
Vaimes and Cantrip I've talked about, and feel pretty good about them both being town here.
Tom is kind of a complicated read that I've avoided thinking about or talking about too much because I'm not lynching him as a Stark anyways, yet, but I actually think I'm decently there on him being town. Think he's doing his own solving thing and thinking about the game and setup in a way that makes sense to him even if I disagree with some of the logic used. Think he's not done the Tom wolf staples that I have no interest in talking about this game, but while he's had an agenda and played towards his alt win conditions I don't think he's as... primary win condition agenda driven as he'd be if he were a wolf. Regardless, pretty sure he's just town here.
That leaves:
Sir Chris
Shinichi
Rhand
Hunger
LnGrrrR
Gentleman Johnny (r. Cobalt)
XequalsY (r. Rodemy)
Killjoy
We're probably looking at our 4 wolves in this cluster of names somewhere. Maybe the SK too, but differentiating between town and SK is uh. Difficult.
A lot of these names have pushed on X=Y. I think X=Y is likely to be town, especially if the night vig is a SK, and our KP is him + the highly conditional Kami kill.
I think it's... difficult for there to be more than 1 wolf in KJ/Shinichi/GJ, from a perspective of me achieving my win condition. It's not impossible, but I think I trust the balance team enough that it'd be a real cluster**** for that to be the case. GJ might actually just be clear, pending claim, but for now leaving him in the Stark/NW cluster of confusion.
So if X=Y is town, and there's 1 or at absolute most 2 (and 1 is more likely) in KJ/Shinichi/GJ, then there are probably 3 wolves in:
Sir Chris
Rhand
Hunger
LnGrrrR
I should have stayed with Sir Chris yesterday. He claimed, got wagoned, and just..stopped trying to solve. I kind of talked myself out of his lynch assuming he'd have more fire as a wolf but maybe the correct read is he just had no fire as either alignment and should have been lynched just for the lack of villageriness.
LnG is actually my current bet for SK, given the 'no faction' claim which I'm...kind of doubting. Littlefinger maybe? I dunno. He has a little bit of wolf equity just from PoE too, and being on some wagons that have flipped town with a ton of town, and kind of semi-coasting since he got cleared early game.
Hunger/Rhand just... haven't really been all that town. I remember thinking there was probably a wolf in Hunger/Kami for some reason, should try and find that reasoning, and Rhand being a wolf makes sense with the d1 wagon dissipation/not being pushed again despite him not..doing anything. Feel like wolves would have been all over helping Starks kill him so they could just pass off the blame if he flipped v.
Eh.
Vote: Sir Chris
tl;dr - no. read my post
Yeah, that matches what I'm thinking.
I'm Ghost. I'm just part of The North, where I have ties to Starks and Night's Watch, and win conditions are just to keep them both alive as much as I can, plus a redacted win condition that I haven't unlocked yet. I feel like it might kick in if someone dies, maybe you even?
Who was this aimed at? Cantrip hadn’t posted for a while.
It would be hilarious if this was a slip.
About the SK: if there is one, I don’t think it can be x=y unless he can kill at Night as well. An SK with a daykill is already hard to play. If that kill can botch, it becomes near impossible to win.
I still believe a massclaim is what we need.
@Thousand: I came home from my cruise yesterday.
Um. I'm not actually sure what Last and 1053 were hold on.
I never actually looked at either of their roles.
Don't really see my vote moving off Chris today.
Sadly, hes also the SK
AMA
I must have forgotten completely
Also, thats now 3 town with abilities that unlock with iron throne... and kj has claimed the same trigger.
Chris/kj+2 and you're SK?
Yeah i do
I'm not actually the SK, though.
I'm also not /town/, and think my redacted win condition might be backup SK? But as it stands I'm just a Stark/Night Watch aligned survivor.
Kills are coming from elsewhere.
I'm Ghost, member of the North, Neutral.
I have two win conditions:
1) Survive the game with at least 3 Stark + Night's Watch members also alive.
2) Unknown - there's an unlock trigger that hasn't triggered. I currently have no abilities, but it's insinuated I might have one unlock when my secondary win condition unlocks, hence thinking I might be a backup SK - or turn into a SK if all the stark/NW die or something.
I think survivors are dumb, I think neutrals are dumb, so I've largely just. Tried to be a town member while protecting the stark/nw people from the lynch. Just got a little bit of panic that I was getting too town read and would be NK'd, hence my EoD shenanigans with open howling at the wolf team to not shoot me or starks.
You're still a very good boi. Too bad about the murdering.
I dont think we lynch you today though. Thats the good news.
It doesn't really, but I need 3 of them alive combined + me also being alive, and I think a ton of them being wolves is pretty unlikely from a design perspective for me to also win? I dunno. I figured it was best way to play it to try and just find wolves elsewhere and hope things worked out.
My reads in the big post I just did are 100% accurate/true, just I think there's a decent chance 1-2 of Shinichi/KJ/GJ are wolves. Still means there's 2-3 wolves elsewhere, and Chris is almost certainly one of them.
...I also could win with wolves I guess as long as 3 of those stay alive, but the part of me that really hates neutrals and likes seeing wolves flip red is against that even if it's dumb.
I think if x=y has another shot we maybe target winds with it but otherwise we gotta hit a bunch of scum in a row anyway let winds clear out the middle.
Stand by this btw.
1-2 in [KJ/Shinichi/GJ], 2-3 in [Chris/Rhand/Hunger/LnG]
I want to win, also want town to win. I like being right.
My primary win condition is The Pack Survives, so let's survive as a pack. While killing all the non-Stark wolves first.
N3 SK, whoever they may be shoots in hunger/rhand/lngrr since he digs starks and nights watch
D4 Lynch kj
My personal preference
Probably can get some anti-alignment clears off of Chris even before this to make the vig shot higher hit %.
Why are you so sold on it being KJ?
I feel like it's basically a tossup between him/Shinichi/GJ, you have no idea how much my heart sank reading their posts and being like 'jesus christ is everyone I have to keep alive seriously this wolfy?' when subbing in.
@Thousand: I’m convinced you are SK yes. I’m going to reread your iso with this info in mind.
If there’s multiple scum in stark/nightwatch, the role you claimed is meant to side with scum. Which you would’ve figured out yourself if you were indeed just a survivor. Which makes your poe all wrong.
lol.
Chris/Rhand/x/x it is.
Ive been townie af
Im not THAT sold, but i do think hes been scummiest, and i kinda dig the distribution of iron throne unlocks thing. 1 scum, 3 town.
Also, *reasons* on shin
Could be gj i guess. Lowish chance of both?
I dare you
Do both of them push on obvious town Vaimes like this together? Rhand's also been alternating between Vaimes shade and Chris shade.
Which maybe is weird given Chris has been going after Vaimes too, actually.
This game was so dead, and everyone kept hard town reading me even if I tried to intentionally do erratic things, I could smell the night kill coming.
12 alive. Lynch town. 11 alive. Go to Night. 1-2 town killed. Wake up 4 scum, 4-5 town, survivor.
Scum + survivor win.
Even if x=y hits scum: 11 alive. Night. 1-2 town killed. Wake up 3 scum, 4-5 town, survivor.
Scum + survivor win if 2 town die.
I don’t think we can afford to trust him.
Prolly depends on how many northerners are mafia, and how hard we wifom
Remind me why LnG is town again? He looks so terrible on a lot of these.
I think they’re both scum. But lynching Vaimes fulfills my alternate, lynching Chris doesn’t.
Anyways, I’m gonna read KJ’s iso.
I have to believe i can win with my dog, my family, and my brothers in black
That makes no sense, they're never both scum this game.
Calling straight up bull***** on that.
Win con 1 is The Pack Survives. Win con 2 is redacted, but named Avenge the Fallen, so...
Yeah.
And thats where i stopped tbh
I thought he claimed no faction, when the OP says everyone has a faction.
People just went like ??? no wolf would lie about that, and wrote him off as a town, or something.
I dunno, just think he's worth re-examining given the PoE + him kind of coasting on it + him looking bad on a lot of vote counts surrounded by confirmed not-wolves.
1-2 in KJ/Shinichi/GJ
2-3 in Chris/Rhand/Hunger/LnGrrrR
I probably feel the best about Hunger's posts in any of those names btw, I iso'd him pretty recently and would be pretty impressed if he's a wolf here, I caught him pretty easy the last time I played v/w vs. him. Just it's not good enough to put him above the rest of my clears.