@DV
Can you just summarize where your reads are at in a lean list?
@Rodemy
You don't need to be discussed as of yet, no point in derailing the thread because you selfishly want people to respond on what they perceive your alignment to be
@DV
Can you just summarize where your reads are at in a lean list?
@Rodemy
You don't need to be discussed as of yet, no point in derailing the thread because you selfishly want people to respond on what they perceive your alignment to be
That is a poor answer.
vote lastwhisper
Anyone else?
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@DV
Can you just summarize where your reads are at in a lean list?
@Rodemy
You don't need to be discussed as of yet, no point in derailing the thread because you selfishly want people to respond on what they perceive your alignment to be
That is a poor answer.
vote lastwhisper
Anyone else?
You going to try and play the game or you just wasting our time?
@DV
Can you just summarize where your reads are at in a lean list?
@Rodemy
You don't need to be discussed as of yet, no point in derailing the thread because you selfishly want people to respond on what they perceive your alignment to be
Really. This is a fight you want to pick? That a two sentence definition from wikipedia uses lying in the second sentence and three near synonyms before it. Okay fine. Gaslighting isn't lying. But it's impossible to gaslight without lying. Because the denials, misdirection, and contradictions have to not be the truth making them untrue or in non formal language lies. The psychological means are lying. That's why the second half of the definition uses the word lying!
Whatever... This is a stupid fight... And no one has provided an example of me gaslighting, just vague accusations of being antagonistic.
Which I am being.
Anyway I'm not trying to make you believe that you had a mindset slip because of course you're going to deny it. You're scum. I'm trying to convince everyone else. I'm not arguing with you to change your mind, I'm arguing because every time we have a go at this you give me another reason to think you're scum.
And you're right I haven't said exactly how many times I have read Shin correctly, but I gave you a guesstimate twice. And you either missed it or chose to ignore it. But I've told you it was eightish, more than once. I just can't be bothered going to MAL and actually counting them. But it's at least 7. Possibly as many as 10. And I would have read him correctly at least 5 of those. Which again I didn't say directly but I did say 8ish games and took me 2 games to get the bead on him so like I don't know if you're not reading or are really caught up on the exact number. Also him not voting isn't a scum tell. It's just a Shin thing. He votes a heck of a lot more as scum fwiw.
As for RE I explained it pretty clearly on multiple occasions, but yeah I'm more curious in how you swung back to reading her as scum. When did that happen?
Anyway I'm not going to engage on you trying to attack the rest of my reads. I've given explanations on pretty much all of them. They aren't all in depth or strong, but they are out there and I'm tired of repeating myself for you.
@DV
Can you just summarize where your reads are at in a lean list?
@Rodemy
You don't need to be discussed as of yet, no point in derailing the thread because you selfishly want people to respond on what they perceive your alignment to be
That sounds like work please no.
I'll get around to it sometime soon TM.
I just want you to make a list of names, that you mentioned in your last post, or were those grapes reads you got from his ISO?
@Rodemy
You question accomplishes nothing and my answer says nothing of my alignment, there is no reason to dive into you when your posts give no ******* content at all, you should be neither a town read or a scum read from your content. Except I did have a read on you based on some meta, as well as my early town read which you managed to trample on with only a few posts. Stop trying to be cute
@DV
Can you just summarize where your reads are at in a lean list?
@Rodemy
You don't need to be discussed as of yet, no point in derailing the thread because you selfishly want people to respond on what they perceive your alignment to be
That sounds like work please no.
I'll get around to it sometime soon TM.
I just want you to make a list of names, that you mentioned in your last post, or were those grapes reads you got from his ISO?
@Rodemy
You question accomplishes nothing and my answer says nothing of my alignment, there is no reason to dive into you when your posts give no ******* content at all, you should be neither a town read or a scum read from your content. Except I did have a read on you based on some meta, as well as my early town read which you managed to trample on with only a few posts. Stop trying to be cute
Grapes.
I want to make an actual list if I'm going to in an ordered way instead of just throwing crap out there.
Really. This is a fight you want to pick? That a two sentence definition from wikipedia uses lying in the second sentence and three near synonyms before it. Okay fine. Gaslighting isn't lying. But it's impossible to gaslight without lying. Because the denials, misdirection, and contradictions have to not be the truth making them untrue or in non formal language lies. The psychological means are lying. That's why the second half of the definition uses the word lying!
Whatever... This is a stupid fight... And no one has provided an example of me gaslighting, just vague accusations of being antagonistic.
Which I am being.
Anyway I'm not trying to make you believe that you had a mindset slip because of course you're going to deny it. You're scum. I'm trying to convince everyone else. I'm not arguing with you to change your mind, I'm arguing because every time we have a go at this you give me another reason to think you're scum.
And you're right I haven't said exactly how many times I have read Shin correctly, but I gave you a guesstimate twice. And you either missed it or chose to ignore it. But I've told you it was eightish, more than once. I just can't be bothered going to MAL and actually counting them. But it's at least 7. Possibly as many as 10. And I would have read him correctly at least 5 of those. Which again I didn't say directly but I did say 8ish games and took me 2 games to get the bead on him so like I don't know if you're not reading or are really caught up on the exact number. Also him not voting isn't a scum tell. It's just a Shin thing. He votes a heck of a lot more as scum fwiw.
As for RE I explained it pretty clearly on multiple occasions, but yeah I'm more curious in how you swung back to reading her as scum. When did that happen?
Anyway I'm not going to engage on you trying to attack the rest of my reads. I've given explanations on pretty much all of them. They aren't all in depth or strong, but they are out there and I'm tired of repeating myself for you.
Thanks for using OOG as the only reason to push me and ignoring that I'm literally doing that.
Super townie mindset you got going on here. Question me about anything? Nope. How anyone else thinks your town is beyond me.
2: When generating (or faking, as applicable) reads, please do not use angleshooting or out of game knowledge to the best of your ability. This means do not use the timing, reasons, or order of substitutions and modkills to influence others, do not use the timing or phrasing of role PMs to influence others, do not make alignment bets with out of game consequences, do not speculate on reason for replacement, and do not use “trust tells” or similar. This list is not exhaustive.
DV my read isn't based on out of game. That was a throw in I regret. I believe you are scum because of the mindset slip. I believe that regardless of the part about the probation. That was reinforcement in my read. But you are absolutely correct that it violates those rules and I absolutely should not have mentioned it.
I don't care how many times you tell me that you would have made that point if you thought I was scum, I don't believe it because it doesn't make sense. It being a dickish thing to do and thinking you'd try to avoid being a dick was extra evidence but not the genesis of the read. Again I shouldn't have mentioned that and I'm sorry I did but I still despite you explaining it multiple times understand how you think me being scum and disagreeing with you on Shin is any reinforcement of your town read because I've been wrong in the past when we were both town. It just doesn't compute for me.
DV my read isn't based on out of game. That was a throw in I regret. I believe you are scum because of the mindset slip. I believe that regardless of the part about the probation. That was reinforcement in my read. But you are absolutely correct that it violates those rules and I absolutely should not have mentioned it.
I don't care how many times you tell me that you would have made that point if you thought I was scum, I don't believe it because it doesn't make sense. It being a dickish thing to do and thinking you'd try to avoid being a dick was extra evidence but not the genesis of the read. Again I shouldn't have mentioned that and I'm sorry I did but I still despite you explaining it multiple times understand how you think me being scum and disagreeing with you on Shin is any reinforcement of your town read because I've been wrong in the past when we were both town. It just doesn't compute for me.
Anyway
@Rod town because you have a daykill.
I'm going to try and be civil one more time here.
Back it up then.
Why does me not being a dick not make sense. Without the probation thing.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
but I still despite you explaining it multiple times understand how you think me being scum and disagreeing with you on Shin is any reinforcement of your town read because I've been wrong in the past when we were both town. It just doesn't compute for me.
I know you've told me you had this thought as town. But I don't believe you because it doesn't make sense to think it. There is no connection between your belief that I'm scum here and past town games where I was wrong.
Now it does make sense if you are scum and are trying to paint me as bad and didn't square the fact you were faking a scum read on me with the fact that you were using town meta to belittle my play. Because those are the sort of mindset slips that happen even to really good players. It's really hard to treat people you know are town as anything but town.
This is the same ***** that happened in Ghostbusters. I swapped my opinion on Terry, and HR told me I couldn't have possibly listened to other people. Well, guess what I did, and this is the same thing here. I did exactly what Grape said I did, and he doesn't believe me, and he wants to Gaslight me and tell me that what I say isn't true. Well, guess what grape it is.
I'm just going to requote this.
Here is the thing. I don't think you're town. You've doggedly pursued this. Nobody else is buying this. You can point to no other behavior that makes me scum and you seem intent on making this read stick. See where I talk about where I talk about my town tells, and you've glossed over that. See, where you try and smear me with Rodemy.
I also just don't believe you fundamentally, you have to ignore my own explained behavior that aligns perfectly with who I am as a human being, and you have to bring in the OOG behavior to scum read me.
Your read on KJ feels fake, your read on multiple players feels fake this game.
I'm content to lynch you. If you flip town, I'll sig something from this game, cause mate I'm never letting you live this one down if you're town. This wasn't a perspective slip at all, I'm just that kind of person. I think you're scum just because of your unwillingness to reevaluate and to really listen to anyone else in the thread. Hell your top town read tells you you are wrong, and you've just glossed right by that. On top of that a lot of your reads feel manufactured. Reading KJ and Last as scum just is baffling to me. I hope you're scum though, because I just expect better from you on all accounts.
Kamikaze Archon has been asking good questions this game. Seems to be interested in solving the game for the most part as well.
Vaimes : Vaimes feels town. Active enough commenting enough, seems to be trying to solve.
Sir Chris : Lots of IRL issues, I still wonder if there is a scum agenda behind his posts, but I can’t figure out with the limited amount of posts. If I had gun to my head right now I’d say town, but its a light town read.
Cantripmancer : I had a scum read that I’m rescinding due to embarrassing reasons. I mixed him up with another player(Eco) in my head and I was thinking of Secret Agent Mafia. His play felt reminiscent of that game, but I had in my head that Cantrip was scum. So, I guess that makes Cantrip a really light town read.
Shinichi : Look I think Shinichi is scummy. He’s made 80+ posts almost none of them in advancement of the game, and he has yet to vote.
Rhand : Rhand doesn’t have a lot of content posts, however this “I think we might be facing a LW + Shin + HR world with awkward bussing situations.” raised a lot of red flags with me. He kinda feels like he’s floating just looking for a lynch for the day, his vote on Tom also seemed suspect.
Hunger: I really don’t have a read on hunger with how few posts he has. However, his 1094 list I think is pretty good, and I agree with it in a general sense
Grape: I’ve made my position clear.
Tubba: Low post, but all of his posts feel scummy IE not solvy.
LnGrrR : Honestly I’ll just town read LnGr because Grape is scum reading LnGr, but also the claim and the nature of the wagon with the claim feels town to me. I think that there was scum on LnGr’s wagon and that it was either Grape and OR RE
GJ : This slot is so null its null.
HR : Basically bounced between Last and Shinichi IE misslynch bait A and misslynch bait B. My POE tells me that HR is scum and on top of that HR feels like he is floating and just looking for a lynch, and not a scum lynch at that.
Rodemy: I’m not a fan of the “Appease me strategy” he has just adopted instead of offering insight into the game. But, I’d argue that potential day kill seems townie to me.
RE1031: RE doesn’t feel town at all, defending Shinichi and on top of that pushing last, who I think is one of the most townie players in this game.
1053: I don’t really understand how anyone read this slot as really townie. I think there were light town tells, but I’m keeping this slot at neutral for a while.
Last: Last feels town, he screams town to me. On top of that I’ve got reasons to think Last is town, from game knowledge.
KJ: Feels identical to DitF. Feels town, feels solvy to me.
Tom: A big question mark for me. Tom’s got some reasons that I think he’s town, Tom also has some reasons I think he’s scum. IE he’s really just interested in lynching his faction members, so much so that he’s basically glossed over me saying that last basically has to be town. Its Tom though, his scum game is indistinguishable in many ways from his town game, why? Because he will just pull this crap as playing town, because he doesn’t like town and he doesn’t care if he wins.
Vaimes
Last
LnGrRR
KJ
KA
Rodemy
Sir Chris
Cantripmancer
Hunger
1053
GJ
Tom
Tubba
HR
RE 1031
Shinichi
Rhand
Grape
What this tells me is that I have WAY too many scum reads. I've got like 6 and a half. Tom's probably town I'm just annoyed with him though.
Only thing I'm going to reply to is that I didn't gloss over Vaimes disagreeing. I asked him to explain and he hasn't as of yet.
You also missed that I'm now town reading LW (though based on your read being mechanics I don't have access to you really shouldn't expect me to be able to correctly read him) due to the defeatism. He doesn't just throw up his hands and give up as scum. But he does it constantly as town.
Anyway I'm just going to let my vote do the talking and drop it. I'm truly sorry I alluded to the probation.
DV thinking he can read me after the fiasco that was our last game together worries me. I think his Iron Bank claim makes him likely town, but I have my eye on him.
KJ is likely town for scumreading me. It’s kind of funny how every game we play together he thinks he figured out my playstyle, and he’s wrong about my alignment almost every time.
Haven’t had time to look further into HR nor to finish Shin’s iso. I probably won’t be able to before deadline.
Who was it that said LW gets defeateist when he’s town and not when he’s scum? Grape? Do you have examples of that?
This game is a slog. I don't think I have a good grasp on many of the players. These death matches going on will be helpful later, but they are crap now.
I guess that we are going to do the whole "rush to vote" thing?
DV thinking he can read me after the fiasco that was our last game together worries me. I think his Iron Bank claim makes him likely town, but I have my eye on him.
KJ is likely town for scumreading me. It’s kind of funny how every game we play together he thinks he figured out my playstyle, and he’s wrong about my alignment almost every time.
Why does D_V look bad for thinking he read you, while KJ looks good?
@Rodemy
If it helps, I think you're neutral, but self-resolving. Your claim, if scum believe it (so if you're town), makes you a priority target for the night kill.
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@RE: Because they’re very different players.
I think scum!KJ would never pick a fight with me. At least not this early in the game. Town!KJ always finds some reason to think I am scum. I can’t count the number of times he has claimed he figured me out.
DV pushed for my lynch in our last game as town extremely hard and was wrong. That should give town!DV enough pause to not scumread me off the bat like this.
First of all DV, my town and scum games are indistinguishable partially because i dont care if i win either way. Which isnt quite accurate but its close enough. Dont make it sound like i just game throw as town. I always try to win, its just not my main motivation yknow
Second. I will care about your last read when one of 3 things happens:
You explain it
You flip
He flips
Dont really think im only trying to lynch my faction either btw.
I think they started lightly >rand to be scum. Which is probably true for anyone thats in a faction and knows theyre town, but i digress
Im now scumreading one of them.
So...
Anyway i have a bunch of townreads of varying strength i would like to kill [someone other than them] im pretty easy.
But mainly i want everyone to vote and to not have to stress about reaching majority and also to enjoy my time spent reading and posting.
@RE: Because they’re very different players.
I think scum!KJ would never pick a fight with me. At least not this early in the game. Town!KJ always finds some reason to think I am scum. I can’t count the number of times he has claimed he figured me out.
DV pushed for my lynch in our last game as town extremely hard and was wrong. That should give town!DV enough pause to not scumread me off the bat like this.
On the whole I've been able to read you well.
I probabally went a little deep that game due to me trying to ignore the role formatting which I felt cleared you.
First of all DV, my town and scum games are indistinguishable partially because i dont care if i win either way. Which isnt quite accurate but its close enough. Dont make it sound like i just game throw as town. I always try to win, its just not my main motivation yknow
Second. I will care about your last read when one of 3 things happens:
You explain it
You flip
He flips
Did i miss any of those?
Due to a variety of factors including my role, my win conditions and other variety of things I had pre-game knowledge of some faction general alignments of some players. I will not explain anything else on this.
Due to you and Shinichi being on that list and due to Last not being on that list, combined with the fact of everything else that I'm not going to talk about. I thinks for certain that there is scum on that list of players, and with you two being on the same faction this would remove the other players from that pool. Shinichi being the most likely, due to you overall just bleeding town to me other than my frustration of thinking you seem anti-town in your voting behavior.
Now, maybe I'm being ****ed with and maybe I'm FPSing my ass off. But combining that with General behavior from Last which seems incredibly town and poor behavior from Shinichi which seems incredibly ANTI-Town and looking at the wagons that exist I think Shinichi will be the scum IF there is scum to be had. Last's wagon includes RE, Rhand and HR right now, that should give anyone pause.
@RE: Because they’re very different players.
I think scum!KJ would never pick a fight with me. At least not this early in the game. Town!KJ always finds some reason to think I am scum. I can’t count the number of times he has claimed he figured me out.
Why wouldn't scum!KJ pick a fight with you?
You've been relatively absent. Others have expressed suspicion of you. He wouldn't be fighting you alone.
Unless he's the kind of scum player who doesn't fight anyone? That would surprise me.
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@RE
can you give me a lean list? I am curious of your current reads, and i'd rather not have to look through your ISO to find them
Vaimes
Sir Chris
D_V
LnGrrrR
Grape
Highroller
Shinichi
Tom
~~~
1053
Tubba
Kami
GJ
~~~
KJ
Rhand
Cantrip
Hunger
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Wisp
Confidence levels have been fluctuating all game.
Been having second thoughts on Shinichi, but then I remembered him attacking Rodemy for the possibility of using stress to not post (something along those lines), which seemed excessive as scum.
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I fixed your list for you, which you can thank me for during post game
and even then that's quite wrong because the possibility of all the top posters being town is somewhat unlikely
there almost has to be scum in highroller/Shin/Grape, I can't fathom them all being town
I realized after posting this that this wasn't a good enough explanation of definition.
This is a description of how to get to Gaslighting, but isn't a definition of Gaslighting.
I thought the day was going to be over soon, and I would have the night to catch up. This has been a relatively eventful week.
Give me the 15 second analysis as to why LW is a wolf?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Am I town. Or am I scum.
Discuss.
Go.
Can you just summarize where your reads are at in a lean list?
@Rodemy
You don't need to be discussed as of yet, no point in derailing the thread because you selfishly want people to respond on what they perceive your alignment to be
That is a poor answer.
vote lastwhisper
Anyone else?
You going to try and play the game or you just wasting our time?
That sounds like work please no.
I'll get around to it sometime soon TM.
Whatever... This is a stupid fight... And no one has provided an example of me gaslighting, just vague accusations of being antagonistic.
Which I am being.
Anyway I'm not trying to make you believe that you had a mindset slip because of course you're going to deny it. You're scum. I'm trying to convince everyone else. I'm not arguing with you to change your mind, I'm arguing because every time we have a go at this you give me another reason to think you're scum.
And you're right I haven't said exactly how many times I have read Shin correctly, but I gave you a guesstimate twice. And you either missed it or chose to ignore it. But I've told you it was eightish, more than once. I just can't be bothered going to MAL and actually counting them. But it's at least 7. Possibly as many as 10. And I would have read him correctly at least 5 of those. Which again I didn't say directly but I did say 8ish games and took me 2 games to get the bead on him so like I don't know if you're not reading or are really caught up on the exact number. Also him not voting isn't a scum tell. It's just a Shin thing. He votes a heck of a lot more as scum fwiw.
As for RE I explained it pretty clearly on multiple occasions, but yeah I'm more curious in how you swung back to reading her as scum. When did that happen?
Anyway I'm not going to engage on you trying to attack the rest of my reads. I've given explanations on pretty much all of them. They aren't all in depth or strong, but they are out there and I'm tired of repeating myself for you.
Town or scum. Go.
@Rodemy
You question accomplishes nothing and my answer says nothing of my alignment, there is no reason to dive into you when your posts give no ******* content at all, you should be neither a town read or a scum read from your content. Except I did have a read on you based on some meta, as well as my early town read which you managed to trample on with only a few posts. Stop trying to be cute
Town. Or scum.
No need to think about it. I just want to know mindsets
There is no real thought to be had.
This isn’t a hard game.
I don’t get why you aren’t following.
This game is hard I swear
Grapes.
I want to make an actual list if I'm going to in an ordered way instead of just throwing crap out there.
Thanks for using OOG as the only reason to push me and ignoring that I'm literally doing that.
Super townie mindset you got going on here. Question me about anything? Nope. How anyone else thinks your town is beyond me.
**** this.
I'll be talking to the mod about mod killing you.
I don't care how many times you tell me that you would have made that point if you thought I was scum, I don't believe it because it doesn't make sense. It being a dickish thing to do and thinking you'd try to avoid being a dick was extra evidence but not the genesis of the read. Again I shouldn't have mentioned that and I'm sorry I did but I still despite you explaining it multiple times understand how you think me being scum and disagreeing with you on Shin is any reinforcement of your town read because I've been wrong in the past when we were both town. It just doesn't compute for me.
Anyway
@Rod town because you have a daykill.
I'm going to try and be civil one more time here.
Back it up then.
Why does me not being a dick not make sense. Without the probation thing.
I'll wait.
Raise the Sword: Rhand
I know you've told me you had this thought as town. But I don't believe you because it doesn't make sense to think it. There is no connection between your belief that I'm scum here and past town games where I was wrong.
I'm just going to requote this.
Here is the thing. I don't think you're town. You've doggedly pursued this. Nobody else is buying this. You can point to no other behavior that makes me scum and you seem intent on making this read stick. See where I talk about where I talk about my town tells, and you've glossed over that. See, where you try and smear me with Rodemy.
I also just don't believe you fundamentally, you have to ignore my own explained behavior that aligns perfectly with who I am as a human being, and you have to bring in the OOG behavior to scum read me.
Your read on KJ feels fake, your read on multiple players feels fake this game.
I'm content to lynch you. If you flip town, I'll sig something from this game, cause mate I'm never letting you live this one down if you're town. This wasn't a perspective slip at all, I'm just that kind of person. I think you're scum just because of your unwillingness to reevaluate and to really listen to anyone else in the thread. Hell your top town read tells you you are wrong, and you've just glossed right by that. On top of that a lot of your reads feel manufactured. Reading KJ and Last as scum just is baffling to me. I hope you're scum though, because I just expect better from you on all accounts.
Vaimes : Vaimes feels town. Active enough commenting enough, seems to be trying to solve.
Sir Chris : Lots of IRL issues, I still wonder if there is a scum agenda behind his posts, but I can’t figure out with the limited amount of posts. If I had gun to my head right now I’d say town, but its a light town read.
Cantripmancer : I had a scum read that I’m rescinding due to embarrassing reasons. I mixed him up with another player(Eco) in my head and I was thinking of Secret Agent Mafia. His play felt reminiscent of that game, but I had in my head that Cantrip was scum. So, I guess that makes Cantrip a really light town read.
Shinichi : Look I think Shinichi is scummy. He’s made 80+ posts almost none of them in advancement of the game, and he has yet to vote.
Rhand : Rhand doesn’t have a lot of content posts, however this “I think we might be facing a LW + Shin + HR world with awkward bussing situations.” raised a lot of red flags with me. He kinda feels like he’s floating just looking for a lynch for the day, his vote on Tom also seemed suspect.
Hunger: I really don’t have a read on hunger with how few posts he has. However, his 1094 list I think is pretty good, and I agree with it in a general sense
Grape: I’ve made my position clear.
Tubba: Low post, but all of his posts feel scummy IE not solvy.
LnGrrR : Honestly I’ll just town read LnGr because Grape is scum reading LnGr, but also the claim and the nature of the wagon with the claim feels town to me. I think that there was scum on LnGr’s wagon and that it was either Grape and OR RE
GJ : This slot is so null its null.
HR : Basically bounced between Last and Shinichi IE misslynch bait A and misslynch bait B. My POE tells me that HR is scum and on top of that HR feels like he is floating and just looking for a lynch, and not a scum lynch at that.
Rodemy: I’m not a fan of the “Appease me strategy” he has just adopted instead of offering insight into the game. But, I’d argue that potential day kill seems townie to me.
RE1031: RE doesn’t feel town at all, defending Shinichi and on top of that pushing last, who I think is one of the most townie players in this game.
1053: I don’t really understand how anyone read this slot as really townie. I think there were light town tells, but I’m keeping this slot at neutral for a while.
Last: Last feels town, he screams town to me. On top of that I’ve got reasons to think Last is town, from game knowledge.
KJ: Feels identical to DitF. Feels town, feels solvy to me.
Tom: A big question mark for me. Tom’s got some reasons that I think he’s town, Tom also has some reasons I think he’s scum. IE he’s really just interested in lynching his faction members, so much so that he’s basically glossed over me saying that last basically has to be town. Its Tom though, his scum game is indistinguishable in many ways from his town game, why? Because he will just pull this crap as playing town, because he doesn’t like town and he doesn’t care if he wins.
Vaimes
Last
LnGrRR
KJ
KA
Rodemy
Sir Chris
Cantripmancer
Hunger
1053
GJ
Tom
Tubba
HR
RE 1031
Shinichi
Rhand
Grape
What this tells me is that I have WAY too many scum reads. I've got like 6 and a half. Tom's probably town I'm just annoyed with him though.
I'm glad that you felt the need to tell us this. If you want us to shut up maybe say so, or if you really don't care then why comment at all?
Passive aggressive isn't going to get you far be more direct.
You also missed that I'm now town reading LW (though based on your read being mechanics I don't have access to you really shouldn't expect me to be able to correctly read him) due to the defeatism. He doesn't just throw up his hands and give up as scum. But he does it constantly as town.
Anyway I'm just going to let my vote do the talking and drop it. I'm truly sorry I alluded to the probation.
KJ is likely town for scumreading me. It’s kind of funny how every game we play together he thinks he figured out my playstyle, and he’s wrong about my alignment almost every time.
Haven’t had time to look further into HR nor to finish Shin’s iso. I probably won’t be able to before deadline.
Who was it that said LW gets defeateist when he’s town and not when he’s scum? Grape? Do you have examples of that?
This game is a slog. I don't think I have a good grasp on many of the players. These death matches going on will be helpful later, but they are crap now.
I guess that we are going to do the whole "rush to vote" thing?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
@Rodemy
If it helps, I think you're neutral, but self-resolving. Your claim, if scum believe it (so if you're town), makes you a priority target for the night kill.
I think scum!KJ would never pick a fight with me. At least not this early in the game. Town!KJ always finds some reason to think I am scum. I can’t count the number of times he has claimed he figured me out.
DV pushed for my lynch in our last game as town extremely hard and was wrong. That should give town!DV enough pause to not scumread me off the bat like this.
Second. I will care about your last read when one of 3 things happens:
You explain it
You flip
He flips
Did i miss any of those?
I think they started lightly >rand to be scum. Which is probably true for anyone thats in a faction and knows theyre town, but i digress
Im now scumreading one of them.
So...
But mainly i want everyone to vote and to not have to stress about reaching majority and also to enjoy my time spent reading and posting.
I probabally went a little deep that game due to me trying to ignore the role formatting which I felt cleared you.
Due to a variety of factors including my role, my win conditions and other variety of things I had pre-game knowledge of some faction general alignments of some players. I will not explain anything else on this.
Due to you and Shinichi being on that list and due to Last not being on that list, combined with the fact of everything else that I'm not going to talk about. I thinks for certain that there is scum on that list of players, and with you two being on the same faction this would remove the other players from that pool. Shinichi being the most likely, due to you overall just bleeding town to me other than my frustration of thinking you seem anti-town in your voting behavior.
Now, maybe I'm being ****ed with and maybe I'm FPSing my ass off. But combining that with General behavior from Last which seems incredibly town and poor behavior from Shinichi which seems incredibly ANTI-Town and looking at the wagons that exist I think Shinichi will be the scum IF there is scum to be had. Last's wagon includes RE, Rhand and HR right now, that should give anyone pause.
can you give me a lean list? I am curious of your current reads, and i'd rather not have to look through your ISO to find them
You've been relatively absent. Others have expressed suspicion of you. He wouldn't be fighting you alone.
Unless he's the kind of scum player who doesn't fight anyone? That would surprise me.
Sir Chris
D_V
LnGrrrR
Grape
Highroller
Shinichi
Tom
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1053
Tubba
Kami
GJ
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KJ
Rhand
Cantrip
Hunger
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Wisp
Confidence levels have been fluctuating all game.
Been having second thoughts on Shinichi, but then I remembered him attacking Rodemy for the possibility of using stress to not post (something along those lines), which seemed excessive as scum.
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GJ
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Scum Leans
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Cantrip
Hunger
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Scummiest
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Tubba
1053
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I fixed your list for you, which you can thank me for during post game
and even then that's quite wrong because the possibility of all the top posters being town is somewhat unlikely
there almost has to be scum in highroller/Shin/Grape, I can't fathom them all being town
I had no idea why you are asking for my list, other than it being a given question people ask when playing mafia.
same, I've explained my thoughts on both