Infrequent wallposting is scummy, no matter how nicely-written those walls are. Constantly playing catch-up is as well. The struggle so far this game isn't finding scum, it's when to stop giving people freebies for being invisible.
no, that's *usually* a playstyle. Or, on mtgs, a symptom of schedules that make a 12/12 impossible and an adapatation/norm in 2 week days.
Hunger/cantrip are basically a classic mtgs player trope this game. Add in lngrr/rhand/killjoy who may all have some time at some point.
Chris and johnny who ought to be high posters eventually.
Infrequent wallposting is scummy, no matter how nicely-written those walls are. Constantly playing catch-up is as well. The struggle so far this game isn't finding scum, it's when to stop giving people freebies for being invisible.
no, that's *usually* a playstyle. Or, on mtgs, a symptom of schedules that make a 12/12 impossible and an adapatation/norm in 2 week days.
Hunger/cantrip are basically a classic mtgs player trope this game. Add in lngrr/rhand/killjoy who may all have some time at some point.
Chris and johnny who ought to be high posters eventually.
What infrequent posters are you finding scummy?
Alright, infrequent wallposting covering topics that have already been beaten to the ground and exhausted of anything useful, or were never significant in the first place. Wallposts that look reasonable and probably took a while to write up, but don't do anything to help develop the gamestate. Spectator mode, to avoid the backlash that comes from actually pushing suspects.
Cantrip and Hunger, precisely, actually. 1053 as well, but there's less of an effort from them to appear to be solving.
Sir Chris also seems to be lacking time to put into this game, but the difference to me is that he's actually had an effect on the game at some point, or at least made an effort to convince others of his stances.
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at this point Grape is just gaslighting DV and the sliver of a town read I had, is fading rapidly
if it isn't me or shin being discussed, then it's Grape and DV, it's so pointless
Can you point to examples of me gaslighting? Can you also define gaslighting?
Grape, if you could vig any one player for game reasons (not because you're irked by them), who would it be, and why in 20 words or less?
DV for acting as if he believe's I'm town while pushing me. I mentioned being irked so much for a sanity check, enough people have said they can see where I'm coming from that I feel like I'm sane.
Grape can still be town, but I can't overlook the way he's antagonizing DV
You didn't have to play with this same Grape in DiTF where if not for Killjoy's n0 green check on him he would have been buried day 1, ******* buried
for once, I would like to god damn work with you RE, but its obvious that can never happen since we both play the game differently, so just stay out of my way
LW I have to disagree on the green check saving me. At the time you felt it was unnecessary to out because I wasn't in danger. Your first post after KJ claiming his check was asking him why he claimed it then. Also what do you mean for once? I have died early a ton. Anyway your progression on me is not something I understand here. If you think I'm gaslighting DV you probably shouldn't be able to see me still being town. Gaslighting someone and being town are pretty mutually exclusive.
@HR: When someone has two suspects and votes for one with the shortest wagon and fos’es the other, that often means there is a reason you’re not voting the other. Might be a buddy or might be that you don’t want to be on a wagon that is going to flip town. That was a good reason for me to want to iso you.
That particular vote has nothing to do with the votes I saw in your iso that telt bandwagony.
Your pushback feels like you think you can mislynch me over this. I am surprised you didn’t vote me.
I hope I find some time soon to look at the context around HR’s votes. With his defensive pushback, I think I am onto something here.
Man, even with the supposed slip in mind, I'm honestly struggling see DV as scum this game.
LW, I uh, am of the opinion that being dissatisfied with the gamestate whilst doing nothing about it is a pretty big red flag. It just looks like you're complaining about being pushed on, and I never really took you for someone who cared about that sort of thing as town.
Am I going to change the game state myself? certainly not
do I even bother to try at this time with the amount of work I have to finish? nope
I don't care much for being pushed on in theory, but it still angers me, especially coming from the likes of RE
at this point Grape is just gaslighting DV and the sliver of a town read I had, is fading rapidly
if it isn't me or shin being discussed, then it's Grape and DV, it's so pointless
You handwaved the entirety of Highroller/Rhand. You're overlooking what Grape has pointed out against D_V. And why the **** are you complaining about it when you are doing NOTHING to help? Dude, that's scummy AF. "Oh, it's just the same people fighting.. It's all so hopeless.." Like you don't even seem that unhappy about it. Congrats, you've commented on the gamestate? You've given yourself an excuse to do nothing if you blame others for discussion you personally consider unproductive.
And D_V's been just as antagonistic as Grape if not more. So that's just more handwaving.
Do we have the same PoE? What is yours? And remind me, when and why did you start townreading me?
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On a sidenote, Cantrip seems really disconnected with the current events. Him acknowledging this isn't AI. He wanted Shinichi dead, last I checked. Now that Grape has developed as a competing wagon, his focus should be there as well.
Infrequent wallposting is scummy, no matter how nicely-written those walls are. Constantly playing catch-up is as well. The struggle so far this game isn't finding scum, it's when to stop giving people freebies for being invisible.
So here my thought on the whole gas lighting situation, for me because of my experience with GF its just NAI. I've seen him gas light alot of players over the games i've played with. Also when does kyle ever blame others as scum, i feel like thats just a town mind set.
DV Antagnizes like every player even myself when its very hard for me to get upset in my most recent mafia games. However from the stuff i have most recently read about the interactions between DV and Grape its easily safe to say 1 of those 2 is scum. Which because I have a town read on DV means its just grape. I would be willing to vote gf if needed as well.
Cantrip has been lack luster since started in this game so not sure whats up with the slot but it be somewhere else I be willing to vote. I don't agree that wall posting in itself is scummy it all depends on the player same goes for catch up.
at this point Grape is just gaslighting DV and the sliver of a town read I had, is fading rapidly
if it isn't me or shin being discussed, then it's Grape and DV, it's so pointless
Can you point to examples of me gaslighting? Can you also define gaslighting?
Grape, if you could vig any one player for game reasons (not because you're irked by them), who would it be, and why in 20 words or less?
DV for acting as if he believe's I'm town while pushing me. I mentioned being irked so much for a sanity check, enough people have said they can see where I'm coming from that I feel like I'm sane.
Grape can still be town, but I can't overlook the way he's antagonizing DV
You didn't have to play with this same Grape in DiTF where if not for Killjoy's n0 green check on him he would have been buried day 1, ******* buried
for once, I would like to god damn work with you RE, but its obvious that can never happen since we both play the game differently, so just stay out of my way
LW I have to disagree on the green check saving me. At the time you felt it was unnecessary to out because I wasn't in danger. Your first post after KJ claiming his check was asking him why he claimed it then. Also what do you mean for once? I have died early a ton. Anyway your progression on me is not something I understand here. If you think I'm gaslighting DV you probably shouldn't be able to see me still being town. Gaslighting someone and being town are pretty mutually exclusive.
You shouldnt be suggesting DV as a vig shot solely because hes scumreading you but also town reading you, if you don't think hes scum shoot else where. You are sane but DV has a strange way of playing.
So do you admit your gas lighting them im confused lol?
DV Antagnizes like every player even myself when its very hard for me to get upset in my most recent mafia games. However from the stuff i have most recently read about the interactions between DV and Grape its easily safe to say 1 of those 2 is scum. Which because I have a town read on DV means its just grape. I would be willing to vote gf if needed as well.
How is it "easily safe" to assume there's scum between them? What conclusive evidence do you have?
You claim what Grape has been doing is NAI. That is not a scumread. I fail to see how a NAI read on Grape and a townread on D_V turns into "there is scum between the two of them."
If grape flips town, does that mean you automatically lynch D_V?
Maybe it's you I should be voting.
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Which because I have a town read on DV means its just grape. I would be willing to vote gf if needed as well.
You shouldnt be suggesting DV as a vig shot solely because hes scumreading you but also town reading you, if you don't think hes scum shoot else where. You are sane but DV has a strange way of playing.
So do you admit your gas lighting them im confused lol?
what in the hell, WHY DO YOU TALK LIKE THIS
AND U SHOULD BE VOTING GRAPE IF U BELIEVE THIS...
@Shinichi
honestly, you are levels and levels beyond your normal behavior that I am accustomed to seeing and should be buried 6' under
Ya, shin doesnt care about what he posts, yada yada, except you are creating narratives and pushing agendas, over and over, one time, shame on you, twice? shame on me I guess
Can't help but feel like scum!LW worlds points to a really low-impact scumteam. LW seemed to be pretty townread early on and just completely dumpstered it.
Can't help but feel like scum!LW worlds points to a really low-impact scumteam. LW seemed to be pretty townread early on and just completely dumpstered it.
ive been thinking it was a low-effort scum team for a while, except we couldn't get out of the grape/shin mindset, which I don't blame much of anyone, but themselves
Getting a really strong vibe last knows shins flipping town
Well, LastWhisper is definitely playing some kind of game with the Shinichi wagon. Right now he seems to either be positioning himself to say Shinichi was town all along should Shinichi flip, or he's throwing himself under the bus to spare his fellow mafia member.
Either way, it involves LastWhisper being mafia. Vote LastWhisper. Glad this is getting traction again.
only scum mock people for being wrong in the case of, I am not scum, therefore I have no need to do that
there is merit to the scumreads on shin, the only reason I have my doubts is because of the game state, as well as my personal experience with him, but its really hard to overlook his posts
also both your scenarios are wrong so they both mean I am scum
you are a trash player @highroller
I just want out of this game, nothing more, nothing less
only scum mock people for being wrong in the case of, I am not scum, therefore I have no need to do that
there is merit to the scumreads on shin, the only reason I have my doubts is because of the game state, as well as my personal experience with him, but its really hard to overlook his posts
also both your scenarios are wrong because they both require me to be scum, which I am not
you are a trash player @highroller
I just want out of this game, nothing more, nothing less
Final gun to my head scum PoE
Grape, 1053, tubba, Hunger
Idk if GJ belongs there since we still have nothing from his slot
Can't really see anyone on my train fliping scum outside maybe Highroller?
Can you explain what makes you think that? Any of it? That’s my biggest problem with your play so far, you’re not explaining your thoughts about anything. If you’re town work with town.
Getting a really strong vibe last knows shins flipping town
Well, LastWhisper is definitely playing some kind of game with the Shinichi wagon. Right now he seems to either be positioning himself to say Shinichi was town all along should Shinichi flip, or he's throwing himself under the bus to spare his fellow mafia member.
Either way, it involves LastWhisper being mafia. Vote LastWhisper. Glad this is getting traction again.
I think we might be facing a LW + Shin + HR world with awkward bussing situations.
Final gun to my head scum PoE
Grape, 1053, tubba, Hunger
Idk if GJ belongs there since we still have nothing from his slot
Can't really see anyone on my train fliping scum outside maybe Highroller?
Can you explain what makes you think that? Any of it? That’s my biggest problem with your play so far, you’re not explaining your thoughts about anything. If you’re town work with town.
nobody worked with me, I'm not explaining me PoE, the day is over, vote me and move on
@rhand
Don't think so, u wanna argue shin sure, but Highroller's is less so
Laat youve played with your brother a lot.
Have you literally ever seen you and him be town and scum not push either of you?
Because thats the world youre suggesting
V/LA
Sir Chris through May 13th
Rodemy through May 12th
With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is May 14th at 1700 MST.
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So, shadow won’t say what happens if two people tie, but if we have a tie between two people we’re most confident are town, then it would be interesting to see if scum break rank to elect one over the other—that in itself provides information. Or maybe it doesn’t even matter. I would just like some sort of structure to base my read of the outcome. Also, as I think HR pointed out way back, Scum can organize their votes so unless we get >4 (we’re still assuming 4 scum right?), then we could accidentally give throne to scum because of our lack of ability to organize and cooperate. If we divide votes up specifically so that we at least know who people were supposed to vote then there’s at least a modicum of responsibility if people don’t vote that way even if specific votes aren't revealed. Should we sort out a plan before night?
Agree with tomsloger that rhand might be worth voting (for reasons previously posted).
Tom #1335, RE was saying that I was being too mechanical and not really reading people, so I gave a shot at a tone read in response since she’s emphasized the importance of tone. Granted, I may not be the best at it but just got a vibe.
I liked D_V’s #1331 and his logic, but I admittedly skimmed over some of Grape’s posts b/c they weren’t easy to follow.
@DV, I get that this can frustrating but don’t threaten to replace out. If you have to replace out, you can do that, but telling us ahead of time just seems like you’re trying to get a certain response in order to stay in and keep playing.
Also, really no idea why RE is tunneling me. I know I’ve said it before, but while I’ve seen how other people’s reads on me have changed I have felt from the beginning that RE has been looking for any excuse to vote for me. It has just pinged me in a way no one else has. I guess LW has played with her before and is used to seeing her decide to tunnel not caring if she hits town or not. I guess my question is why me? I’m finding my footing and I’ve honestly been giving my best effort trying to put out reads as I hope is evident by my posts, yet she basically says I’m doing nothing. I know I haven’t been posting frequently, but I have been putting significant time into this game so for someone to be so dismissive is pretty discouraging. Like I don’t need anyone to hold my hand, but if you think there’s something wrong with how I’m approaching the game, let me know how to improve. I think have a town who is not at all confident in their reads tunnel someone because there’s supposed to be ‘town confidence’ is detrimental to town as a whole. I’m not trying to add any unnecessary noise in a game that already has so much white noise. If I think something is odd or legitimately catch something I’ll point it out, but I’m not going to push someone if there’s a good chance I’m wrong.
Still not convinced LW is scum—do you think there is a character whose alt win condition is suicide like the tanner? I mean if we get to 9 and need another vote and everyone wants me to I’ll vote for him, but being annoying doesn’t necessarily equal scum.
Hunger/cantrip are basically a classic mtgs player trope this game. Add in lngrr/rhand/killjoy who may all have some time at some point.
Chris and johnny who ought to be high posters eventually.
What infrequent posters are you finding scummy?
Cantrip and Hunger, precisely, actually. 1053 as well, but there's less of an effort from them to appear to be solving.
Sir Chris also seems to be lacking time to put into this game, but the difference to me is that he's actually had an effect on the game at some point, or at least made an effort to convince others of his stances.
Can you point to examples of me gaslighting? Can you also define gaslighting?
DV for acting as if he believe's I'm town while pushing me. I mentioned being irked so much for a sanity check, enough people have said they can see where I'm coming from that I feel like I'm sane.
LW I have to disagree on the green check saving me. At the time you felt it was unnecessary to out because I wasn't in danger. Your first post after KJ claiming his check was asking him why he claimed it then. Also what do you mean for once? I have died early a ton. Anyway your progression on me is not something I understand here. If you think I'm gaslighting DV you probably shouldn't be able to see me still being town. Gaslighting someone and being town are pretty mutually exclusive.
That particular vote has nothing to do with the votes I saw in your iso that telt bandwagony.
Your pushback feels like you think you can mislynch me over this. I am surprised you didn’t vote me.
I hope I find some time soon to look at the context around HR’s votes. With his defensive pushback, I think I am onto something here.
Nothing I say will quell the Paranoia of the Queen of Paranoia herself
I can hate that game-state even if I've done nothing to progress it, those two are not mutually exclusive
LW, I uh, am of the opinion that being dissatisfied with the gamestate whilst doing nothing about it is a pretty big red flag. It just looks like you're complaining about being pushed on, and I never really took you for someone who cared about that sort of thing as town.
do I even bother to try at this time with the amount of work I have to finish? nope
I don't care much for being pushed on in theory, but it still angers me, especially coming from the likes of RE
So here my thought on the whole gas lighting situation, for me because of my experience with GF its just NAI. I've seen him gas light alot of players over the games i've played with. Also when does kyle ever blame others as scum, i feel like thats just a town mind set.
DV Antagnizes like every player even myself when its very hard for me to get upset in my most recent mafia games. However from the stuff i have most recently read about the interactions between DV and Grape its easily safe to say 1 of those 2 is scum. Which because I have a town read on DV means its just grape. I would be willing to vote gf if needed as well.
Cantrip has been lack luster since started in this game so not sure whats up with the slot but it be somewhere else I be willing to vote. I don't agree that wall posting in itself is scummy it all depends on the player same goes for catch up.
You shouldnt be suggesting DV as a vig shot solely because hes scumreading you but also town reading you, if you don't think hes scum shoot else where. You are sane but DV has a strange way of playing.
So do you admit your gas lighting them im confused lol?
You claim what Grape has been doing is NAI. That is not a scumread. I fail to see how a NAI read on Grape and a townread on D_V turns into "there is scum between the two of them."
If grape flips town, does that mean you automatically lynch D_V?
Maybe it's you I should be voting.
what in the hell, WHY DO YOU TALK LIKE THIS
AND U SHOULD BE VOTING GRAPE IF U BELIEVE THIS...
honestly, you are levels and levels beyond your normal behavior that I am accustomed to seeing and should be buried 6' under
Ya, shin doesnt care about what he posts, yada yada, except you are creating narratives and pushing agendas, over and over, one time, shame on you, twice? shame on me I guess
get out of this game
vote: Shinichi
vote last
Then why vote him? Your vote post sounds like you think he’s scum and you immediately backtrack.
vote LW
Unvote, vote LW
I tried imagining this from a town!LW POV, but that involves jumping through too many hoops and making too many bad excuses.
Super not a bus vote.
Can't help but feel like scum!LW worlds points to a really low-impact scumteam. LW seemed to be pretty townread early on and just completely dumpstered it.
Is this a scumclaim?
My role pm tells a different story though
Either way, it involves LastWhisper being mafia. Vote LastWhisper. Glad this is getting traction again.
Prolly just the TMI thing
there is merit to the scumreads on shin, the only reason I have my doubts is because of the game state, as well as my personal experience with him, but its really hard to overlook his posts
also both your scenarios are wrong so they both mean I am scum
you are a trash player @highroller
I just want out of this game, nothing more, nothing less
If you cant refute a point just call someone garbage
vote LW
4 more, can we hurry up?
Grape, 1053, tubba, Hunger
Idk if GJ belongs there since we still have nothing from his slot
Can't really see anyone on my train fliping scum outside maybe Highroller?
Can you explain what makes you think that? Any of it? That’s my biggest problem with your play so far, you’re not explaining your thoughts about anything. If you’re town work with town.
I think we might be facing a LW + Shin + HR world with awkward bussing situations.
@rhand
Don't think so, u wanna argue shin sure, but Highroller's is less so
The fact that you are hesitating on someone who is literally open wolfing, shows that you know I will flip town
#fiteme
> Doesn't have Shin in scum list
Have you literally ever seen you and him be town and scum not push either of you?
Because thats the world youre suggesting
Maybe that makes it work?
-Prince Oberyn, Red Viper of Dorne, the day that he died
Lastwhisper (6): RE1031, tomsloger, Rhand, Vaimes, Highroller, KamikazeArchon
Shinichi (3): Sir Chris, Rodemy, Lastwhisper
Grapefruit21 (3): LnGrrrR, 1053nm, D_V
D_V (1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting (6): Shinichi, Tubba Fett, Gentleman Johnny, Cantripmancer, Killjoy, Hunger
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Sir Chris through May 13th
Rodemy through May 12th
With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is May 14th at 1700 MST.
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Agree with tomsloger that rhand might be worth voting (for reasons previously posted).
Tom #1335, RE was saying that I was being too mechanical and not really reading people, so I gave a shot at a tone read in response since she’s emphasized the importance of tone. Granted, I may not be the best at it but just got a vibe.
I liked D_V’s #1331 and his logic, but I admittedly skimmed over some of Grape’s posts b/c they weren’t easy to follow.
@DV, I get that this can frustrating but don’t threaten to replace out. If you have to replace out, you can do that, but telling us ahead of time just seems like you’re trying to get a certain response in order to stay in and keep playing.
Also, really no idea why RE is tunneling me. I know I’ve said it before, but while I’ve seen how other people’s reads on me have changed I have felt from the beginning that RE has been looking for any excuse to vote for me. It has just pinged me in a way no one else has. I guess LW has played with her before and is used to seeing her decide to tunnel not caring if she hits town or not. I guess my question is why me? I’m finding my footing and I’ve honestly been giving my best effort trying to put out reads as I hope is evident by my posts, yet she basically says I’m doing nothing. I know I haven’t been posting frequently, but I have been putting significant time into this game so for someone to be so dismissive is pretty discouraging. Like I don’t need anyone to hold my hand, but if you think there’s something wrong with how I’m approaching the game, let me know how to improve. I think have a town who is not at all confident in their reads tunnel someone because there’s supposed to be ‘town confidence’ is detrimental to town as a whole. I’m not trying to add any unnecessary noise in a game that already has so much white noise. If I think something is odd or legitimately catch something I’ll point it out, but I’m not going to push someone if there’s a good chance I’m wrong.
Still not convinced LW is scum—do you think there is a character whose alt win condition is suicide like the tanner? I mean if we get to 9 and need another vote and everyone wants me to I’ll vote for him, but being annoying doesn’t necessarily equal scum.
Tubba and now 1035? Yikes