@DV
Did you just say its my job to project townie?
When did you and RE's play get this terrible?
also what kind of argument is, "Why would I as scum push a mislynch on day 1 on shin, when I can easily push it later?"
LOL
Its called what is my scum motivation for getting rid of the biggest mislynch opportunity in the game?
Shin literally makes the town eat itself. I've never seen a game where he doesn't do so. Imagine this its night one, I have the option of killing Sir Chris, Shinichi and Riku. Who do I pick? Its pretty obvious that I pick Chris 99/100 times. Why? Because Chris is going to scum hunt and be a force to reckon with. Riku and Shin? Mislynch bait, and not likely to catch scum.
@DV
Did you just say its my job to project townie?
When did you and RE's play get this terrible?
also what kind of argument is, "Why would I as scum push a mislynch on day 1 on shin, when I can easily push it later?"
LOL
unvote: Wisp
This may be a mistake. It seems a bit excessive for you to be calling my play terrible if I am right on you. Gut's a weird thing. It keeps telling me you're scum, but rationally, there are better day 1 lynch candidates, especially in this game where too many people are on the sidelines.
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@DV
Did you just say its my job to project townie?
When did you and RE's play get this terrible?
also what kind of argument is, "Why would I as scum push a mislynch on day 1 on shin, when I can easily push it later?"
LOL
unvote: Wisp
This may be a mistake. It seems a bit excessive for you to be calling my play terrible if I am right on you. Gut's a weird thing. It keeps telling me you're scum, but rationally, there are better day 1 lynch candidates, especially in this game where too many people are on the sidelines.
You could do what I do: Just look at the list, and vote whoever isn't hunting.
Except me, since 1k posts is a big deal, and my sub was supposed to be more of a humor shadow moment. (at least for this week)
@DV
Did you just say its my job to project townie?
When did you and RE's play get this terrible?
also what kind of argument is, "Why would I as scum push a mislynch on day 1 on shin, when I can easily push it later?"
LOL
unvote: Wisp
This may be a mistake. It seems a bit excessive for you to be calling my play terrible if I am right on you. Gut's a weird thing. It keeps telling me you're scum, but rationally, there are better day 1 lynch candidates, especially in this game where too many people are on the sidelines.
I'll be really surprised if Wisp is scum. He just doesn't feel scum at all. I'm surprised more people are not town reading him.
The daychat thing with Grape is interesting.
@Grape: are you alone in your faction?
In a way you're all in my faction, but yeah I have no one I share a alt win con or chat with. For those at home this is a huge part of why I'm so suspicious of LnG.
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On a tangent, I've liked LnGrrrR's questions, not so much Rhand's.
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Before I try to sort the LnGrrrR/Grape claim thing - is this information correct?
LnGrrrR - has claimed to be factionless, with a redacted alternate win condition
Grape - has claimed that everyone's in his faction, does not share an alternate win condition with anyone
Rhand - has claimed to be the only one in his faction, no information regarding their alternate win condition
And as it stands, Grape is suspicious of LnGrrrR's factionless claim due to his own faction containing "everyone"? Why are factions indicative to alignment, again?
I was being cheeky. Mechanically I'm on my own, flavorwise you are all in my faction.
Before I try to sort the LnGrrrR/Grape claim thing - is this information correct?
LnGrrrR - has claimed to be factionless, with a redacted alternate win condition
Grape - has claimed that everyone's in his faction, does not share an alternate win condition with anyone
Rhand - has claimed to be the only one in his faction, no information regarding their alternate win condition
And as it stands, Grape is suspicious of LnGrrrR's factionless claim due to his own faction containing "everyone"? Why are factions indicative to alignment, again?
I was being cheeky. Mechanically I'm on my own, flavorwise you are all in my faction.
Sorry, I don't understand. Why does this make you skeptical of LnGrrrR?
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Oh no, I am doing exactly that. I'm not doing it to abuse you, but I am doing it to discredit you. Its like you didn't read 1186.
There is definitely some of the I'm not sure you are scum, you are definitely one of the scumiest players in this game. I basically wanted to call you scum all of DITF and I mentioned to Shadow multiple times that I thought KJ might be scum, or have really made a bad fake claim as town and that you were scum.
IDK maybe your play is so reminiscent of DITF you are town. God I want you to be scum this game though.
Ohhh I definitely read it. It was largely you giving examples of me being bad and you claiming you caught 4 other scum when I said you had 1 wrong in a 4 scum game.
I ignored it because your point doesn't make sense if you think I'm scum. My reads being opposite to yours if I'm scum isn't a reliable indicator if you are trying to say I'm bad. My having an agenda as scum makes my being bad irrelevant and not helpful to you being right and my being wrong. So you continuing to say that "I'm more likely right than wrong when you disagree with me" and actively using my town read of Shin as an example when you simultaneously think I'm scum is broken logic.
Your reference to DitF doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If anything it's a point in my favor as you try to discredit me because we disagreed on KJ and I was right. My options here are either you are so eager to be rude to me that you ignored your read on me (as scum) to discredit me as if you thought I was town in an effort to get everyone to think I'm as bad as you think I am or you're scum. The first feels pretty implausible to me given everything.
Am I taking this personally and letting it cloud my judgment? I really feel like there is a huge mindset slip there, but maybe because I'm getting personally attacked I'm seeing things that aren't there.
Am I taking this personally and letting it cloud my judgment? I really feel like there is a huge mindset slip there, but maybe because I'm getting personally attacked I'm seeing things that aren't there.
Yes, and that's not my intention. I had a much larger post, but I think its easier to say Yes and move on.
I'm not sure on your alignment. I think out of all the players posting you are one of the scumiest, then again, I thought the same thing in DITF and we had a peek on you. IDK maybe I'm wrong on that. This would be a long tangent of me using an example from that Phoenix Wright game. In which I felt I argued very well for not lynching Mattowar, and Tom largely didn't have any arguments for doing so. Tom in my mind blind sided me and lynched Mattowar and I killed him for it. I had a vig shot and I straight up killed him. I feel like this is something similar, and I probabally need to rethink your position because of this.
I remember the list I had, saying that I doubt there is never at least 1 scum in this list... it was all of the loud players
DV/Chris/Grape/Shinichi/Me/Re/Highroller
Shin is still the only outlier... cause I am really starting to like even Grape
This is probably a ***** fiesta of all town
then Vaimes for obvious town?
been hedging on Grr but hes still probably town
I really like Kami...
Rhand feels like town, dont see an agenda coming from him
Rodemy because not touching him today after his claim
removed Tom cause we arent touching him today
removed GJ since he just replaced and he is busy
so there is a PoE of 5 people, who havent given me reason to think they are town, outside the people I removed for other reasons, Like Tom, Rodemy, and Grr
I don't understand any of the 1053nm townreads. Their most memorable post to me was proposing the neutralization of the Irone Throne, which was terrible.
I don't understand any of the 1053nm townreads. Their most memorable post to me was proposing the neutralization of the Irone Throne, which was terrible.
Hey, I sheeped Tom's noob town read, but that was like 20 or so pages ago, and is null at this point
I don't understand any of the 1053nm townreads. Their most memorable post to me was proposing the neutralization of the Irone Throne, which was terrible.
Heh. You and me both.
Well, I don't know how terrible it is but they claim it'll give us information even if scum decide to frame, which I don't see how. Additionally, the reasoning for their vote on Grape confused me. They also just have been far too focused on the mechanical aspect of the game as opposed to actual reads. Which is not great.
I also don't like Hunger's push of Shinichi, though that may be based on more circumstantial evidence anything. Their greatest scumread/contribution is one that's been done to death already.
@Wisp
Could you be more specific about Rhand? His questions (and Cantrip's, to a degree) have struck me as aimless. Although... In the case of Cantrip, he did go from townleaning me to neutral-reading me which is kind of townie, but I'd need far more. But yeah. Why is Rhand town, more specifically?
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DV/LW
I take it you think I'm blinded by bias on this push on DV? Or are just ignoring it because it was wordy? What about you Wisp?
well you still have me at orange, so my care kind of drifted away
I would like to hear DV's thoughts on other players though
wouldnt lynch DV today, and already provided reasons why DV could or could not be scum, of which im more likely leaning towards town
@Wisp
Could you be more specific about Rhand? His questions (and Cantrip's, to a degree) have struck me as aimless. Although... In the case of Cantrip, he did go from townleaning me to neutral-reading me which is kind of townie, but I'd need far more. But yeah. Why is Rhand town, more specifically?
doesnt feel like he has an agenda, and his questions dont feel aimless to me
Wouldnt lynch him today
But last and grape both look like they know shin is gonna flip town and if one of them is scum i would take that as stronger evidence than anything about shins posting
I'm reading something with regards to LastWhisper. He's absolutely playing some kind of a game. The question is whether it's hedging on Shinichi being town and saying, "SEE?! I TOLD YOU SO!" or if it's him trying to defend a fellow mafia.
Either way, I'm going to go ahead with Unvote, Vote LastWhisper.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
"I told you so" is something I would never say, laughing in the face of players is what scum do, I am trying my best to evaluate a slot that is extremely hard to evaluate
"I told you so" is something I would never say, laughing in the face of players is what scum do, I am trying my best to evaluate a slot that is extremely hard to evaluate
I'm having a blast. Reading what i want, pushing who i want, lots of win conditions.
And bollocks. Getting to say "i told you so" is the best
"I told you so" is something I would never say, laughing in the face of players is what scum do, I am trying my best to evaluate a slot that is extremely hard to evaluate
I'm having a blast. Reading what i want, pushing who i want, lots of win conditions.
And bollocks. Getting to say "i told you so" is the best
ya post game, but its definitely not something I would equate to being town if I saw someone say it in the thread...
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Vaimes that's fair. Can you explain to me the difference as you see it between this and Chris' Shin read (which I seem to recall you agreeing with)?
@LW When they talk about ignoring people you're scum reading I don't think this is what they mean...
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Grape, I don't think LW, DV, or LnGR are mafia. Why are KA and KJ so low?
I'm not sure what "this" you're talking about?
My point about the disconnect on DV talking about how he feels better about shin being scum because I disagree with him and I'm bad town, while scum reading me. What did you think I was asking about when you said it was bias?
As for the second post I think clearing LW for volume is a bad idea. He's a high poster as either alignment. LnG I agree isn't mafia. KA and KJ have both just felt off in small amounts. KJ had a DV read early that felt fake and then evaluated DV from nothing when I asked him about him yesterday. Which feels slightly off but not enough for a read. With KA it's way too early for this sort of read but it's a wolfy pop-in's thing. He's commenting on whatever the major current event is and not much else.
1. Naz calling us all idiots for a lynch she initially thought flipped town (she was town)
2. Nancy Drew shading us in twilight:
1.If people don’t smarten tf up and fast, we’re going to lose, since apparently town is hellbent on cannabalizing itself.
2. told you all you were wrong. Bite me. It doesn’t change the colour of my role pm.
also those "**** it" posts, give off a similar vibe, except a lot harder to distinguish
he is claiming that everyone is in his faction???
OH WELL.
Its called what is my scum motivation for getting rid of the biggest mislynch opportunity in the game?
Shin literally makes the town eat itself. I've never seen a game where he doesn't do so. Imagine this its night one, I have the option of killing Sir Chris, Shinichi and Riku. Who do I pick? Its pretty obvious that I pick Chris 99/100 times. Why? Because Chris is going to scum hunt and be a force to reckon with. Riku and Shin? Mislynch bait, and not likely to catch scum.
This may be a mistake. It seems a bit excessive for you to be calling my play terrible if I am right on you. Gut's a weird thing. It keeps telling me you're scum, but rationally, there are better day 1 lynch candidates, especially in this game where too many people are on the sidelines.
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You could do what I do: Just look at the list, and vote whoever isn't hunting.
Except me, since 1k posts is a big deal, and my sub was supposed to be more of a humor shadow moment. (at least for this week)
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'll be really surprised if Wisp is scum. He just doesn't feel scum at all. I'm surprised more people are not town reading him.
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On a tangent, I've liked LnGrrrR's questions, not so much Rhand's.
I ignored it because your point doesn't make sense if you think I'm scum. My reads being opposite to yours if I'm scum isn't a reliable indicator if you are trying to say I'm bad. My having an agenda as scum makes my being bad irrelevant and not helpful to you being right and my being wrong. So you continuing to say that "I'm more likely right than wrong when you disagree with me" and actively using my town read of Shin as an example when you simultaneously think I'm scum is broken logic.
Your reference to DitF doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If anything it's a point in my favor as you try to discredit me because we disagreed on KJ and I was right. My options here are either you are so eager to be rude to me that you ignored your read on me (as scum) to discredit me as if you thought I was town in an effort to get everyone to think I'm as bad as you think I am or you're scum. The first feels pretty implausible to me given everything.
I can't explain without revealing more about my role than I want to right now.
Yes, and that's not my intention. I had a much larger post, but I think its easier to say Yes and move on.
I'm not sure on your alignment. I think out of all the players posting you are one of the scumiest, then again, I thought the same thing in DITF and we had a peek on you. IDK maybe I'm wrong on that. This would be a long tangent of me using an example from that Phoenix Wright game. In which I felt I argued very well for not lynching Mattowar, and Tom largely didn't have any arguments for doing so. Tom in my mind blind sided me and lynched Mattowar and I killed him for it. I had a vig shot and I straight up killed him. I feel like this is something similar, and I probabally need to rethink your position because of this.
DV/Chris/Grape/Shinichi/Me/Re/Highroller
Shin is still the only outlier... cause I am really starting to like even Grape
This is probably a ***** fiesta of all town
then Vaimes for obvious town?
been hedging on Grr but hes still probably town
I really like Kami...
Rhand feels like town, dont see an agenda coming from him
Rodemy because not touching him today after his claim
4. Cantripmancer
7. Hunger
9. Tubba Fett
11. GJ
15. 1053nm
17. Killjoy
19. tomsloger
The chances of all the scum being in that category are high for me, with Shin still being the huge outlier...
@RE
also, I appreciate the unvote, even if it's not permanent
Chris/Grape/Shinichi
I...don't really have townread on Chris. I have a Chris read on Chris.
7. Hunger
9. Tubba Fett
15. 1053nm
17. Killjoy
removed Tom cause we arent touching him today
removed GJ since he just replaced and he is busy
so there is a PoE of 5 people, who havent given me reason to think they are town, outside the people I removed for other reasons, Like Tom, Rodemy, and Grr
Defend your read, thomas.
I take it you think I'm blinded by bias on this push on DV? Or are just ignoring it because it was wordy? What about you Wisp?
He was reasonably townie on, like, page 5 and fell off since I'm not gonna defend it but I wouldn't vote him either
Well, I don't know how terrible it is but they claim it'll give us information even if scum decide to frame, which I don't see how. Additionally, the reasoning for their vote on Grape confused me. They also just have been far too focused on the mechanical aspect of the game as opposed to actual reads. Which is not great.
I also don't like Hunger's push of Shinichi, though that may be based on more circumstantial evidence anything. Their greatest scumread/contribution is one that's been done to death already.
@Wisp
Could you be more specific about Rhand? His questions (and Cantrip's, to a degree) have struck me as aimless. Although... In the case of Cantrip, he did go from townleaning me to neutral-reading me which is kind of townie, but I'd need far more. But yeah. Why is Rhand town, more specifically?
I would like to hear DV's thoughts on other players though
wouldnt lynch DV today, and already provided reasons why DV could or could not be scum, of which im more likely leaning towards town
Maybe we're just not at all seeing the game similarly, and I can't tell if it's because you're scum or one of us is just totally flopping.
Kinda think Wisp is town but at this point it's relying more heavily on volume than content.
doesnt feel like he has an agenda, and his questions dont feel aimless to me
Wouldnt lynch him today
Either way, I'm going to go ahead with Unvote, Vote LastWhisper.
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and FOS that. What possible faction could contain everyone?
@LW When they talk about ignoring people you're scum reading I don't think this is what they mean...
"I told you so" is something I would never say, laughing in the face of players is what scum do, I am trying my best to evaluate a slot that is extremely hard to evaluate
so did you miss the post where I removed you from my lynch pool?
Hey KJ,
You don't get to be snarky with anyone after DITF. You held that scum read for zero reason.
I'm getting feisty so I'm out for a while.
Grape, I don't think LW, DV, or LnGR are mafia. Why are KA and KJ so low?
And bollocks. Getting to say "i told you so" is the best
Grape (3): LnGrr, Vaimes, 1053
Last (2): tom, HR
Hunger (1): Last
DV (1): grape
Not Voting (8): Shin, Tubba, GJ, Cantrip, KJ, Rhand, hunger, RE
Jesus 8 people not voting.
Just under a week left and a simple reminder we don't have to use the whole time...
As for the second post I think clearing LW for volume is a bad idea. He's a high poster as either alignment. LnG I agree isn't mafia. KA and KJ have both just felt off in small amounts. KJ had a DV read early that felt fake and then evaluated DV from nothing when I asked him about him yesterday. Which feels slightly off but not enough for a read. With KA it's way too early for this sort of read but it's a wolfy pop-in's thing. He's commenting on whatever the major current event is and not much else.
1. Naz calling us all idiots for a lynch she initially thought flipped town (she was town)
2. Nancy Drew shading us in twilight:
also those "**** it" posts, give off a similar vibe, except a lot harder to distinguish