@hunger
That is fair, but I feel like there is a disconnect in your list above, like having KJ and Tubba below sort/null, and much of your need to sort/null list in general
It's all pretty weak at this point, but talk to me about where you think there is a disconnect? The sort/null pile is either true null or the people I have commented on and want to go back and read. KJ slides down to yellow because it's more of a gut thing anyway and I don't know that he has enough content to really garner a reread at this point.
@hunger
That is fair, but I feel like there is a disconnect in your list above, like having KJ and Tubba below sort/null, and much of your need to sort/null list in general
It's all pretty weak at this point, but talk to me about where you think there is a disconnect? The sort/null pile is either true null or the people I have commented on and want to go back and read. KJ slides down to yellow because it's more of a gut thing anyway and I don't know that he has enough content to really garner a reread at this point.
there is a lot of gut in your explanations which I don't like, and you may feel the need to call them null because you haven't gotten to them, but some of those nulls shouldn't be nulls in general. The fact that you felt the need to write a premature list doesn't make me feel good about u
Also you are just like everyone else, it's so easy to just be complacenct with Shin while every else has already done the work for you
There's, like, nothing wrong with Chris' initial reasoning for pushing shin.
But at this point there's a bunch of people telling him "no that's not meaningful for shin" and he's just sticking his fingers in his ears going "nope town doesn't do that" and I'm really missing the curiosity/nimbleness to his reads/etc
I'm not even sure if shins alignment matters to this
Villagers are carefree, they don't feel the need to do anything, they work little by little. Large walls like this are the easiest place for wolves to hide, and I'm quite sure that's what is happening here
There's, like, nothing wrong with Chris' initial reasoning for pushing shin.
But at this point there's a bunch of people telling him "no that's not meaningful for shin" and he's just sticking his fingers in his ears going "nope town doesn't do that" and I'm really missing the curiosity/nimbleness to his reads/etc
I'm not even sure if shins alignment matters to this
I'm not sure that really says anything about the Chris either as a player, because all his reads to him are like cop checks...
I mean he could very well be scum, but him being stingy based on meta or in general isn't necessarily a scum tell
Villagers are carefree, they don't feel the need to do anything, they work little by little. Large walls like this are the easiest place for wolves to hide, and I'm quite sure that's what is happening here
ftr, i remember town hunger being pretty wally too
Villagers are carefree, they don't feel the need to do anything, they work little by little. Large walls like this are the easiest place for wolves to hide, and I'm quite sure that's what is happening here
ftr, i remember town hunger being pretty wally too
There's, like, nothing wrong with Chris' initial reasoning for pushing shin.
But at this point there's a bunch of people telling him "no that's not meaningful for shin" and he's just sticking his fingers in his ears going "nope town doesn't do that" and I'm really missing the curiosity/nimbleness to his reads/etc
I'm not even sure if shins alignment matters to this
I'm not sure that really says anything about the Chris either as a player, because all his reads to him are like cop checks...
I mean he could very well be scum, but him being stingy based on meta or in general isn't necessarily a scum tell
no, town chris has read movement.
It's still early he doesn't need to have changed anything yet but, like i expect some indication of thought
Villagers are carefree, they don't feel the need to do anything, they work little by little. Large walls like this are the easiest place for wolves to hide, and I'm quite sure that's what is happening here
ftr, i remember town hunger being pretty wally too
uggh... Link me
yeah idk.
Couldn't tell you what games but he's been around mtgs on and off for years I think.
There's, like, nothing wrong with Chris' initial reasoning for pushing shin.
But at this point there's a bunch of people telling him "no that's not meaningful for shin" and he's just sticking his fingers in his ears going "nope town doesn't do that" and I'm really missing the curiosity/nimbleness to his reads/etc
I'm not even sure if shins alignment matters to this
I'm not sure that really says anything about the Chris either as a player, because all his reads to him are like cop checks...
I mean he could very well be scum, but him being stingy based on meta or in general isn't necessarily a scum tell
no, town chris has read movement.
It's still early he doesn't need to have changed anything yet but, like i expect some indication of thought
well it's definitely too early to Lynch Chris off a read like that, and for the most part he shouldn't be getting voted at all today
@highroller
So u don't agree with Chris's reason on why Grr is probably town? Also why are you so much more aggressive then in DiTF, I read that game for a while even after dying, and I didn't see this same level of caring
I'm normally this way. With DiTF, I was always off-balance because I'd replaced into a game that had the most absurdly long day 1 I've ever seen, so I was trying to reread that, and every time I'd read a few pages there would be like 3 more, so I was perpetually playing catch-up.
@hunger
That is fair, but I feel like there is a disconnect in your list above, like having KJ and Tubba below sort/null, and much of your need to sort/null list in general
It's all pretty weak at this point, but talk to me about where you think there is a disconnect? The sort/null pile is either true null or the people I have commented on and want to go back and read. KJ slides down to yellow because it's more of a gut thing anyway and I don't know that he has enough content to really garner a reread at this point.
there is a lot of gut in your explanations which I don't like, and you may feel the need to call them null because you haven't gotten to them, but some of those nulls shouldn't be nulls in general. The fact that you felt the need to write a premature list doesn't make me feel good about u
Also you are just like everyone else, it's so easy to just be complacenct with Shin while every else has already done the work for you
That's like, a lot of you projecting your gameplay views on to how I should be acting. I hate D1 with a passion because I hate behavioral analysis without flips and night action results/claims. So yeah, a lot is going to be gut unless there is a slam dunk which is rare.
Why shouldn't my nulls be nulls? Because I don't have a read on them one way or another, just because they have posts doesn't mean I have a read. Again, you are projecting your views onto how I choose to play the game.
Re:Shin - I'm not voting him, he is in orange and not red, and I stated that I will probably have to go back and reread him. I'd say that's the opposite of letting others doing the work for me. I want to see it for myself.
I've made so much content that anyone who reads me as "Null" is probabally scum.
My scum team is Shinichi, Hunger Cantrip and Grape.
Locking that in baby.
@Tom There are not "Multiple" people saying that Shin is town for Chris's tell. Its Grape and solely grape. Grapes entire reasoning for this is that he can correctly "Guess" when Shinichi is town. Its akin to saying I played 3 games stated someone was town three times and was right three times. Well but I got some news for you that's literally statistically probable. If you can get two scum claims and you're right two times I might listen to you. So, Grapes opinion means about nothing and you saying it means something is strange.
There's, like, nothing wrong with Chris' initial reasoning for pushing shin.
But at this point there's a bunch of people telling him "no that's not meaningful for shin" and he's just sticking his fingers in his ears going "nope town doesn't do that" and I'm really missing the curiosity/nimbleness to his reads/etc
I'm not even sure if shins alignment matters to this
Fair point on Chris. I'll look for that. I guess in fairness it's been a while since I played with him, but I'm vibing on his town game. I've seen him as town plenty of times be super stubborn on someone and then with one post he has an epiphany and goes 180 and catches something based on reactions to his push. Not saying that's what's happening here necessarily, but like I said this just vibes to me as town Chris. There is wifom to be had, but he's not someone that is going to get lynched early and if he is town he's not someone that scum can afford to live to end game. Which sort of defaults him into my town pile early.
Everyone hates day 1 because they are level-0 and can only play off lynches, but imagine if everyone didn't do anything on day 1 because it's "too hard", and it's not much of my own projection, which I stated such... You are allowed to not have reads on people that I think you should have reads on, but this isn't about me, this is about in general
It's so easy to just say, "I'm not good at day 1, so I won't take any stances"
I've made so much content that anyone who reads me as "Null" is probabally scum.
My scum team is Shinichi, Hunger Cantrip and Grape.
Locking that in baby.
@Tom There are not "Multiple" people saying that Shin is town for Chris's tell. Its Grape and solely grape. Grapes entire reasoning for this is that he can correctly "Guess" when Shinichi is town. Its akin to saying I played 3 games stated someone was town three times and was right three times. Well but I got some news for you that's literally statistically probable. If you can get two scum claims and you're right two times I might listen to you. So, Grapes opinion means about nothing and you saying it means something is strange.
Villagers are carefree, they don't feel the need to do anything, they work little by little. Large walls like this are the easiest place for wolves to hide, and I'm quite sure that's what is happening here
ftr, i remember town hunger being pretty wally too
uggh... Link me
yeah idk.
Couldn't tell you what games but he's been around mtgs on and off for years I think.
Correct. Last game I played is as a replacement in the team game for Rhand's slot in Death of Stalin (which you were in btw). Here is my ISO.
Wall posts especially of the nature of catching up and posting on multiple topics are my town game.
Villagers are carefree, they don't feel the need to do anything, they work little by little. Large walls like this are the easiest place for wolves to hide, and I'm quite sure that's what is happening here
ftr, i remember town hunger being pretty wally too
uggh... Link me
yeah idk.
Couldn't tell you what games but he's been around mtgs on and off for years I think.
Correct. Last game I played is as a replacement in the team game for Rhand's slot in Death of Stalin (which you were in btw). Here is my ISO.
Wall posts especially of the nature of catching up and posting on multiple topics are my town game.
@shinichi
I really really really don't want to meta read you, but like I'm remembered u saying you don't like to vote unless you are absolutely sure, yet in passed games where you are town, you would vote off almost anything...
And that is something I would say, as scum, and since we are the same, I know you would do it as well
ftr, i remember town hunger being pretty wally too
uggh... Link me
yeah idk.
Couldn't tell you what games but he's been around mtgs on and off for years I think.
Correct. Last game I played is as a replacement in the team game for Rhand's slot in Death of Stalin (which you were in btw). Here is my ISO.
Wall posts especially of the nature of catching up and posting on multiple topics are my town game.
i imagine theyre your scumgame too
you literally just claimed he does this as town and now you move straight to discrediting your own statement... Wtf, or I'm reading this wrong, but I don't see how
Everyone hates day 1 because they are level-0 and can only play off lynches, but imagine if everyone didn't do anything on day 1 because it's "too hard", and it's not much of my own projection, which I stated such... You are allowed to not have reads on people that I think you should have reads on, but this isn't about me, this is about in general
It's so easy to just say, "I'm not good at day 1, so I won't take any stances"
I can link you more of my town games if you want, but that's what I do. I very frequently get pressure Day 1 for not taking firm enough stances on anything. It's why I hate Day 1 more than your average person hates Day 1.
Sure, if no one did anything Day 1 nothing would happen. But that's the beauty of different types of players. Some can do stuff Day 1 and be successful at that. Some can nail VCA in the late game.
I don't understand your last line. You call me out for having people null that you don't think I should, but then you say it's OK for me to have people null that you don't think I should? So what are you even getting at?
I've made so much content that anyone who reads me as "Null" is probabally scum.
My scum team is Shinichi, Hunger Cantrip and Grape.
Locking that in baby.
@Tom There are not "Multiple" people saying that Shin is town for Chris's tell. Its Grape and solely grape. Grapes entire reasoning for this is that he can correctly "Guess" when Shinichi is town. Its akin to saying I played 3 games stated someone was town three times and was right three times. Well but I got some news for you that's literally statistically probable. If you can get two scum claims and you're right two times I might listen to you. So, Grapes opinion means about nothing and you saying it means something is strange.
I'm not talking about that?
Oh sorry after the team game I decided I to not value your opinion on Shinichi for a while.
You are "allowed" to do w/e you want as much as I am "allowed" to think what I want of it, but there is no reason for you to have a null of that size outside a few people, from my perspective or the perspective of the general populace. Like DV is null? What?
I've made so much content that anyone who reads me as "Null" is probabally scum.
My scum team is Shinichi, Hunger Cantrip and Grape.
Locking that in baby.
@Tom There are not "Multiple" people saying that Shin is town for Chris's tell. Its Grape and solely grape. Grapes entire reasoning for this is that he can correctly "Guess" when Shinichi is town. Its akin to saying I played 3 games stated someone was town three times and was right three times. Well but I got some news for you that's literally statistically probable. If you can get two scum claims and you're right two times I might listen to you. So, Grapes opinion means about nothing and you saying it means something is strange.
I'm not talking about that?
Oh sorry after the team game I decided I to not value your opinion on Shinichi for a while.
I've made so much content that anyone who reads me as "Null" is probabally scum.
My scum team is Shinichi, Hunger Cantrip and Grape.
Locking that in baby.
@Tom There are not "Multiple" people saying that Shin is town for Chris's tell. Its Grape and solely grape. Grapes entire reasoning for this is that he can correctly "Guess" when Shinichi is town. Its akin to saying I played 3 games stated someone was town three times and was right three times. Well but I got some news for you that's literally statistically probable. If you can get two scum claims and you're right two times I might listen to you. So, Grapes opinion means about nothing and you saying it means something is strange.
I'm not talking about that?
Oh sorry after the team game I decided I to not value your opinion on Shinichi for a while.
same tbh
Yeah...
But my read was right you goober and you made us lose that game with your horrible play. You basically lynched Shinichi due to your dislike of him that game. You even tried Cyber Bullying him that game. But you do you mate.
I would like to point out 1) I was in the hospital two days ago Tom you are a savage I love it and 2) I have to my knowledge asked for reasoning from people who say shin is town so you are completely full of *****.
Asked Grape. Disagreed. Followed up with LW and asked some stuff. If someone has said reasoning I havent considered let's hear it but I am I'll not ignoring things. Do not make up lies. It wont end well for you.
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Also I would like to point out I am a man of peace with just a town PM and a dream. I see there is a lot of history with Shin and others again I dont know the guy just he doesnt smell town. Often my fresh perspective can be useful when meta gets stale.
Also Wisp why do you describe me like I am a bird of prey?
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Tom just doesn't know how to play Town Chris don't hold it against him.
In fairness. After last game this does check out so fair enough.
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Also I would like to point out I am a man of peace with just a town PM and a dream. I see there is a lot of history with Shin and others again I dont know the guy just he doesnt smell town. Often my fresh perspective can be useful when meta gets stale.
Also Wisp why do you describe me like I am a bird of prey?
I've had first hand experience with this... Many many times, and trust me, I am not trying to shade you, I'm still hedging on shin, it's just something I noticed, pertaining specifically to Amrock's Discord Mafia, where you refused to re-evaluate Chelsea, when she hadn't done anything to be a lock town read.
I've made so much content that anyone who reads me as "Null" is probabally scum.
My scum team is Shinichi, Hunger Cantrip and Grape.
Locking that in baby.
@Tom There are not "Multiple" people saying that Shin is town for Chris's tell. Its Grape and solely grape. Grapes entire reasoning for this is that he can correctly "Guess" when Shinichi is town. Its akin to saying I played 3 games stated someone was town three times and was right three times. Well but I got some news for you that's literally statistically probable. If you can get two scum claims and you're right two times I might listen to you. So, Grapes opinion means about nothing and you saying it means something is strange.
I'm not talking about that?
Oh sorry after the team game I decided I to not value your opinion on Shinichi for a while.
same tbh
Yeah...
But my read was right you goober and you made us lose that game with your horrible play. You basically lynched Shinichi due to your dislike of him that game. You even tried Cyber Bullying him that game. But you do you mate.
Shin and specifically Phrase aka dawningbluesky, are enigmas on the game of mafia and you need to thread carefully with them, and in the past, my answer was just to Lynch my brother every day 1 since it wasnt worth the trouble of spending effort to evaluate him, but it's just not fun to play that way, even in the games where mechanically and logically it pointed towards him being scum due to his obtuse reasons, he would just flip town
You also have to look at the gamestate, L2, with no trains against him, I can't see that being a hit even with the scum logic I or you have pushed, sometimes logic isn't the answer, and Shin is that case
If shin flips scum, I'll go eat a sock, but I'm still going to defend him even if logically it's the in correct play to make. All I ask is that we leave shin to at least day 2... And focus on other things...
Oh sorry after the team game I decided I to not value your opinion on Shinichi for a while.
same tbh
Yeah...
But my read was right you goober and you made us lose that game with your horrible play. You basically lynched Shinichi due to your dislike of him that game. You even tried Cyber Bullying him that game. But you do you mate.
i don't dislike him I just dont get him at all
He's frustrating
You literally wrote that you were laughing about him in your team discord. If that wasn't an overt attempt to make him feel bad, I don't know what the purpose of that was.
I know you don't get him. I'm not sure I get him either. However, Last hosted a game on MAL where I lasered in on Shinichi being scum really quickly, he felt different than the team game. It feels similar to me here. IE not the team game, and the scum Shinichi I caught.
On top of that his Rod read feels contrive, and scummy. His one defender Grape is using a hit of hitting town which means nothing, and Grape is wrong 9 times out of 10 with these arguments with me.
Tom just doesn't know how to play Town Chris don't hold it against him.
In fairness. After last game this does check out so fair enough.
does it?
I had 4 main scumreads and 3 flipped scum, and then good setupgaming for the 4th that ran afoul by townreading rod.
That's, like, objectively pretty good obviously would be better not to townread any scum but yeah
Also you are just like everyone else, it's so easy to just be complacenct with Shin while every else has already done the work for you
But at this point there's a bunch of people telling him "no that's not meaningful for shin" and he's just sticking his fingers in his ears going "nope town doesn't do that" and I'm really missing the curiosity/nimbleness to his reads/etc
I'm not even sure if shins alignment matters to this
I mean he could very well be scum, but him being stingy based on meta or in general isn't necessarily a scum tell
Do you think wisp would defend shin like that as buddies?
It's still early he doesn't need to have changed anything yet but, like i expect some indication of thought
Couldn't tell you what games but he's been around mtgs on and off for years I think.
This might be generally valid, but I don't see this being true with LastWhisper.
Why shouldn't my nulls be nulls? Because I don't have a read on them one way or another, just because they have posts doesn't mean I have a read. Again, you are projecting your views onto how I choose to play the game.
Re:Shin - I'm not voting him, he is in orange and not red, and I stated that I will probably have to go back and reread him. I'd say that's the opposite of letting others doing the work for me. I want to see it for myself.
My scum team is Shinichi, Hunger Cantrip and Grape.
Locking that in baby.
@Tom There are not "Multiple" people saying that Shin is town for Chris's tell. Its Grape and solely grape. Grapes entire reasoning for this is that he can correctly "Guess" when Shinichi is town. Its akin to saying I played 3 games stated someone was town three times and was right three times. Well but I got some news for you that's literally statistically probable. If you can get two scum claims and you're right two times I might listen to you. So, Grapes opinion means about nothing and you saying it means something is strange.
It's so easy to just say, "I'm not good at day 1, so I won't take any stances"
Wall posts especially of the nature of catching up and posting on multiple topics are my town game.
I really really really don't want to meta read you, but like I'm remembered u saying you don't like to vote unless you are absolutely sure, yet in passed games where you are town, you would vote off almost anything...
And that is something I would say, as scum, and since we are the same, I know you would do it as well
Sure, if no one did anything Day 1 nothing would happen. But that's the beauty of different types of players. Some can do stuff Day 1 and be successful at that. Some can nail VCA in the late game.
I don't understand your last line. You call me out for having people null that you don't think I should, but then you say it's OK for me to have people null that you don't think I should? So what are you even getting at?
Oh sorry after the team game I decided I to not value your opinion on Shinichi for a while.
I dont think hunger walling is AI
Not sure why it would be?
Yeah...
But my read was right you goober and you made us lose that game with your horrible play. You basically lynched Shinichi due to your dislike of him that game. You even tried Cyber Bullying him that game. But you do you mate.
Asked Grape. Disagreed. Followed up with LW and asked some stuff. If someone has said reasoning I havent considered let's hear it but I am I'll not ignoring things. Do not make up lies. It wont end well for you.
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Also Wisp why do you describe me like I am a bird of prey?
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In fairness. After last game this does check out so fair enough.
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Scum chris that wants to hammer it through (mislynch or bus)?
Scum hunger/kami/whoever just hopping on now that someone else has done the work (mislynch or bus)?
I'm overthinking and shin is just scum like i initially thought?
Endless possibilities
He's frustrating
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You also have to look at the gamestate, L2, with no trains against him, I can't see that being a hit even with the scum logic I or you have pushed, sometimes logic isn't the answer, and Shin is that case
You literally wrote that you were laughing about him in your team discord. If that wasn't an overt attempt to make him feel bad, I don't know what the purpose of that was.
I know you don't get him. I'm not sure I get him either. However, Last hosted a game on MAL where I lasered in on Shinichi being scum really quickly, he felt different than the team game. It feels similar to me here. IE not the team game, and the scum Shinichi I caught.
On top of that his Rod read feels contrive, and scummy. His one defender Grape is using a hit of hitting town which means nothing, and Grape is wrong 9 times out of 10 with these arguments with me.
I had 4 main scumreads and 3 flipped scum, and then good setupgaming for the 4th that ran afoul by townreading rod.
That's, like, objectively pretty good obviously would be better not to townread any scum but yeah