I am not opposed to a Chris lynch, not after his reactions to getting multiple votes. Lots of AtE and fearmongering. And refusing to claim + "teaching town a lesson in humility" is not a series of townie choices.
I disagree. Wisp did practically the same thing. Combined with restricted time + IRL priorities, I don't think this reaction is impossible to come from town. It's not really an uncommon way for town to react in this situation :I
Though refusing to claim, that's really not good.
That's fair, although a lot of my concern was with his lack of claim. Now that he's claimed...I'm trying to figure out if he did it because it's what town should do, or if he saw multiple players criticizing him for it. Either way, the claim itself doesn't move the needle for me, as that's frequently a "safe" scum claim. I went back and reread his posts, and there are so many defeatist, fearmongering, and faux-indifferent remarks that I still feel like there's a good chance he's scum.
Even ignoring some pretty questionable behavior...
It could have been fake d1 and real d2, flavor win considering the dragons gotta grow up
Theres another extra shot going around if that were to flip town hows that change things?
Scum having any additional KP is very powerful making it inconsistent and public seems very balancing on how it can be used
And i know i said ignore tge behavior but god 1053 is such a scum shot there
This is good thinking about the game in general. I'm not sold on XY being scum, but I agree that making scum KP public and inconsistent would be a really good balancing element.
My post wasnt wifom. Someone said I was scum for doing it so I asked what my motive was from their perspective.
I feel like most good players would be able to justify jumping on a wagon quickly (town with the truth, scum with a long list of possible outs), so your response felt like instead of addressing the concern, you were saying "I would have no reason to do this as scum, therefore it's not scummy". So yeah, a combination of wifom and self-meta that didn't really do anything but encourage Rhand to speculate on your scum motives, which isn't productive, imo.
I asked because GJ's previous posts were 2118, 2115, 2112, 2109, 2088, and 2087 (when he actually votes Vaimes). It just felt like you were making a really open-ended comment that could possibly apply to multiple "choices".
I'm down for this, especially with his latest question to Chris in 2402, but since you voted him before that post, why do you want him lynched? Last specific reference I can find from you on him is ~450 posts ago, near the start of the Day.
Also, given your claim: are you immune to killing abilities or NKs only?
How does Chris clarifying this help if he's town? What benefit do you expect to get from his answer if he's scum?
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@GJ: Because it was a purely negative reaction. It wasn't a "well, I don't like it, but we'll see what happens" post - it was a "you made a bad choice" post.
Is this a response to me? If so, I guess it's either a difference of opinion or you're pushing him maliciously, as I didn't get that sense at all. More annoyance that XY would fire unilaterally at someone that Winds was townreading.
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There's a sort-of-trichotomy with Chris, Shin and X=Y that I think should be resolved today.
scum!Shin and scum!X=y can't coexist.
scum!X=y with scum!Chris would be quite weird; I can conceive of players who would bus here (in scum!Chris's position), but I don't think it's a good play or a likely one. Endangering a killing role is just super risky for scum.
scum!Shin with scum!Chris is the one pairing that seems somewhat possible? That bus by Chris makes somewhat more sense IMO, and at the time it would have probably secured a "lock town" read for Chris if Shin flipped scum.
So which of the three do you think should be lynched to resolve the trichotomy?
A reminder that deadlines have been sped up with the imminent site shutdown, and that it's not even end of world if we end the day before the deadline hits some of these upcoming days (since Sir Chris is pretty much a guaranteed hit, given his anti-spew behavior).
We have like 3? more days until the deadline, I believe.
A reminder that deadlines have been sped up with the imminent site shutdown, and that it's not even end of world if we end the day before the deadline hits some of these upcoming days (since Sir Chris is pretty much a guaranteed hit, given his anti-spew behavior).
We have like 3? more days until the deadline, I believe.
Yeah, I suppose. I was just really hoping to make Tom lose his mind just a bit more. Alas, I'll have to settle for what I got.
Tom, it would probably help you to know that
I sent the following message to everyone in the game but you:
This is Cantripmancer. Maybe I can't use this ability to hunt scum/townfirm any more, but there's no way I'm letting it go to waste, so I want to mess with Tom just a little. I've confirmed with Shadow that voting anyone other than Chris or Winds will result in that vote just not being recorded, but as soon as Shadow confirms that this message has been sent to everyone EXCEPT Tom, I'm going to post identifying Tom as confirmed scum and I'll vote him. I'd like everyone who's around to follow suit, justifying (or not) as you see fit for the lulz. Hopefully Shadow holds off at least until Tom posts before confirming that no votes have occurred, and much fun will be had by all.
"I always wanted to be a wizard."
--Samwell Tarly
No hard feelings?
Thanks to everyone who chose to have fun. I mean, how often do you get Tom handed to you on a silver platter?
I'm ready to lynch Chris whenever. Do we have more to discuss first?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also I just realized something. Someone suggested that everyone should be able to achieve their win cons independent of their Mafia wincons.
That person is probably scum. I recall something in the new player articles that specifies a person suggesting that town and scum should work together, and that being a scum mindset.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
In the offchance chris is town, its one or both of x=y/gj. Dont think thats a real world based on chris play today, which is just a microcosm of the reason i was scum on him in the first place, but there we go
When chris flips scum x=y/gj/shin move up various amounts leaving a pool of kj/lngrr/rhand/hunger
In the offchance chris is town, its one or both of x=y/gj. Dont think thats a real world based on chris play today, which is just a microcosm of the reason i was scum on him in the first place, but there we go
When chris flips scum x=y/gj/shin move up various amounts leaving a pool of kj/lngrr/rhand/hunger
Vaimes/cantrip town, winds neutral
Almost like I've been saying the bolded all day (though I don't think Shin is completely clear, rolecop is still a scum role 95% of the time, and Chris pushed Shin d1 and then...stopped, that progression is worth looking at again, I don't remember exactly why it happened)
Anyway cantrip was scum with chris/kj and lngrr/shin were lock clear.
What?
i was poeing before cantrip came clean amd the only thing that made sense is you telling your buddy cantrip he had to do something because shin checked him. Thus shin town.
Couldnt have been with lngrr either or would have done it pre-trial, had to still be with chris because of the reaction to claim
Does there mechanically have to be 5 wolves? Or can there still be 4 and today have been lylo if we lynched town and 2 town died at night. Someone crunch the numbers, I'm 97% asleep and my brain not functioning. Assume worst case scenarios across board.
In the offchance chris is town, its one or both of x=y/gj. Dont think thats a real world based on chris play today, which is just a microcosm of the reason i was scum on him in the first place, but there we go
When chris flips scum x=y/gj/shin move up various amounts leaving a pool of kj/lngrr/rhand/hunger
Vaimes/cantrip town, winds neutral
Almost like I've been saying the bolded all day (though I don't think Shin is completely clear, rolecop is still a scum role 95% of the time, and Chris pushed Shin d1 and then...stopped, that progression is worth looking at again, I don't remember exactly why it happened)
its the one im least convinced on. Still wanna find that chris bus of RE from hydra game to compare. Was similarly one note iirc
Agreeish on rolecop. Only other info is RE's gifts but maybe shadow is just so sick of n1 cop checks he delayed them all a night...
Idk about shin man
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
Does there mechanically have to be 5 wolves? Or can there still be 4 and today have been lylo if we lynched town and 2 town died at night. Someone crunch the numbers, I'm 97% asleep and my brain not functioning. Assume worst case scenarios across board.
12 alive, 7 town, 1 neutral, 4 scum
Mislynch, you and scum both kill town
Would be 4v1v4
Could see that counting as a loss maybe? You win with scum because 3 stark/nw guaranteed alive with 5 at current
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
chris+rhand seems fairly definite?
Kj i just think is a wolf.
Beyond that, mostly shrugs, moderate unalignments, and setupgaming
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
chris+rhand seems fairly definite?
Kj i just think is a wolf.
Beyond that, mostly shrugs, moderate unalignments, and setupgaming
Personally I think setup gaming is a huge mistake here. Would be quite a lot they made sure it wasn't breakable/solvable by that or by 'there has to be 1 wolf in each faction/can't be multiple wolves in one faction' type things. Proph reviewed this, and I have some idea on how Shadow things. Feel like they'd both take delight in 'outsmarting' players who think they can outsmart them by trying to solve via anything but behavior.
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
chris+rhand seems fairly definite?
Kj i just think is a wolf.
Beyond that, mostly shrugs, moderate unalignments, and setupgaming
Personally I think setup gaming is a huge mistake here. Would be quite a lot they made sure it wasn't breakable/solvable by that or by 'there has to be 1 wolf in each faction/can't be multiple wolves in one faction' type things. Proph reviewed this, and I have some idea on how Shadow things. Feel like they'd both take delight in 'outsmarting' players who think they can outsmart them by trying to solve via anything but behavior.
he's been doing that all game. It's part of the reason he thinks I'm a wolf.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Tbh it kinda sucks that I only can get one win condition filled presumably. I only have two, period, and given one of them is redacted/locked (probably until the other is no longer possible) it makes my play kinda one dimensional.
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
chris+rhand seems fairly definite?
Kj i just think is a wolf.
Beyond that, mostly shrugs, moderate unalignments, and setupgaming
Personally I think setup gaming is a huge mistake here. Would be quite a lot they made sure it wasn't breakable/solvable by that or by 'there has to be 1 wolf in each faction/can't be multiple wolves in one faction' type things. Proph reviewed this, and I have some idea on how Shadow things. Feel like they'd both take delight in 'outsmarting' players who think they can outsmart them by trying to solve via anything but behavior.
i mean the setupgaming to which im referring is johnny being doc here.
I do still think 1 in each in of starks and lannisters/freys is likely, but thats not primary reasoning on rhand or kj its just working out.
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
chris+rhand seems fairly definite?
Kj i just think is a wolf.
Beyond that, mostly shrugs, moderate unalignments, and setupgaming
Personally I think setup gaming is a huge mistake here. Would be quite a lot they made sure it wasn't breakable/solvable by that or by 'there has to be 1 wolf in each faction/can't be multiple wolves in one faction' type things. Proph reviewed this, and I have some idea on how Shadow things. Feel like they'd both take delight in 'outsmarting' players who think they can outsmart them by trying to solve via anything but behavior.
he's been doing that all game. It's part of the reason he thinks I'm a wolf.
I'll bite.
Assume Sir Chris flips wolf here.
What have you done this game that you think you should be read as town for?
Who are the remaining 3-4 wolves in a Chris wolf world?
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
chris+rhand seems fairly definite?
Kj i just think is a wolf.
Beyond that, mostly shrugs, moderate unalignments, and setupgaming
Personally I think setup gaming is a huge mistake here. Would be quite a lot they made sure it wasn't breakable/solvable by that or by 'there has to be 1 wolf in each faction/can't be multiple wolves in one faction' type things. Proph reviewed this, and I have some idea on how Shadow things. Feel like they'd both take delight in 'outsmarting' players who think they can outsmart them by trying to solve via anything but behavior.
he's been doing that all game. It's part of the reason he thinks I'm a wolf.
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
chris+rhand seems fairly definite?
Kj i just think is a wolf.
Beyond that, mostly shrugs, moderate unalignments, and setupgaming
Personally I think setup gaming is a huge mistake here. Would be quite a lot they made sure it wasn't breakable/solvable by that or by 'there has to be 1 wolf in each faction/can't be multiple wolves in one faction' type things. Proph reviewed this, and I have some idea on how Shadow things. Feel like they'd both take delight in 'outsmarting' players who think they can outsmart them by trying to solve via anything but behavior.
i mean the setupgaming to which im referring is johnny being doc here.
I do still think 1 in each in of starks and lannisters/freys is likely, but thats not primary reasoning on rhand or kj its just working out.
Yeah that's fair.
I'm uh.
A bit concerned about GJ in general and if Chris wasn't so obviously checked out I'd be even more concerned but... our hand was kind of forced with the trial by combat anyways.
If LnG is a wolf and forced the lynch between villager Chris and the SK who could kill a wolf at night, I'm honestly kind of impressed with the balls displayed. And less than impressed with the role itself, though it requires a very, very specific circumstance where it has value. Which is exactly this one where all lynches and kills at night hit town, but before it reached the 50% marker.
I'm predicting wolves kill Starks at night just to deny me the ability to win the game since I've been townsiding, fwiw. I have pretty much zero expectations of getting a win at this point, but I'll play it out. Maybe my secondary win condition isn't what I expect it'll be (traditional last man standing SK).
Unrelated but I'm kind of impressed by Hunger this game. I feel like I caught him super easy when he randed wolf the last time I played with him, and I read through his ISO twice last night before switching my kill from him to Tubba, and came away pretty impressed. Just figure he deserves some props for high quality posting even if the wolf team seems to have gotten kind of brutally PoE'd out despite being in good shape going into today.
(Watch Cantrip end up being a deep wolf or something and this is why the PoE doesn't quite fully make 100% sense)
Maybe I'll thunderdome Sir Chris tomorrow, that sounds exciting
Lmao.
I forgot I said this last twilight in an attempt to not get NK'd. I figured if Chris was town, they'd want it to happen, and if Chris was scum, his ego wouldn't let him shoot me.
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
chris+rhand seems fairly definite?
Kj i just think is a wolf.
Beyond that, mostly shrugs, moderate unalignments, and setupgaming
Personally I think setup gaming is a huge mistake here. Would be quite a lot they made sure it wasn't breakable/solvable by that or by 'there has to be 1 wolf in each faction/can't be multiple wolves in one faction' type things. Proph reviewed this, and I have some idea on how Shadow things. Feel like they'd both take delight in 'outsmarting' players who think they can outsmart them by trying to solve via anything but behavior.
he's been doing that all game. It's part of the reason he thinks I'm a wolf.
cftwr!
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it's not cftwr it's you're too sure there a scum in our faction.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Tbh I'm actually getting a little concerned Chris might flip town reading through some of this like.
The people hard unaligned with him (GJ, X=Y) aren't exactly filling me with confidence this day phase, and other PoE wolves are perfectly happy to be lynching Chris over me, or manufactured it so it'd be those two options in first place.
Still think that's unlikely, given the way Chris is playing this game out, but it's a small concern. One I'd feel a lot better about if GJ and X=Y slot had been more independently villagery.
Tbh I'm actually getting a little concerned Chris might flip town reading through some of this like.
The people hard unaligned with him (GJ, X=Y) aren't exactly filling me with confidence this day phase, and other PoE wolves are perfectly happy to be lynching Chris over me, or manufactured it so it'd be those two options in first place.
Still think that's unlikely, given the way Chris is playing this game out, but it's a small concern. One I'd feel a lot better about if GJ and X=Y slot had been more independently villagery.
basically my whole day has been shades of "but what if chris just lost his spark?"
Tbh I'm actually getting a little concerned Chris might flip town reading through some of this like.
The people hard unaligned with him (GJ, X=Y) aren't exactly filling me with confidence this day phase, and other PoE wolves are perfectly happy to be lynching Chris over me, or manufactured it so it'd be those two options in first place.
Still think that's unlikely, given the way Chris is playing this game out, but it's a small concern. One I'd feel a lot better about if GJ and X=Y slot had been more independently villagery.
basically my whole day has been shades of "but what if chris just lost his spark?"
But, like
Whatever
Then we get to deal with him blaming us for not listening to him in postgame while he takes no accountability for his own play.
it's not cftwr it's you're too sure there a scum in our faction.
listen man
Thats not a thing i particularly pushed after day 1, i only see it as the simplest solution. Its not why i think youre scum to any meaningful degree.
I am stoked my early setupgaming looks more and more like it was correct, but thats about the extent of it
If johnny is too he can protect him?
Maybe throne him too to guarantee it goes off?
Idk im still really thrown
I am assuming no one is claiming roleblock, because I was likely screwed with last night.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Vote: Sirchris
In fact, can we maybe get just a few more votes on Tom? Probably pointless, but it doesn't cost anything to try!
We have like 3? more days until the deadline, I believe.
Tom, it would probably help you to know that
"I always wanted to be a wizard."
--Samwell Tarly
No hard feelings?
I'm ready to lynch Chris whenever. Do we have more to discuss first?
Wait is this our Lynch for the day or do we get Rhand as well?
That person is probably scum. I recall something in the new player articles that specifies a person suggesting that town and scum should work together, and that being a scum mindset.
When chris flips scum x=y/gj/shin move up various amounts leaving a pool of kj/lngrr/rhand/hunger
Vaimes/cantrip town, winds neutral
Almost like I've been saying the bolded all day (though I don't think Shin is completely clear, rolecop is still a scum role 95% of the time, and Chris pushed Shin d1 and then...stopped, that progression is worth looking at again, I don't remember exactly why it happened)
Couldnt have been with lngrr either or would have done it pre-trial, had to still be with chris because of the reaction to claim
Agreeish on rolecop. Only other info is RE's gifts but maybe shadow is just so sick of n1 cop checks he delayed them all a night...
Idk about shin man
Mislynch, you and scum both kill town
Would be 4v1v4
Could see that counting as a loss maybe? You win with scum because 3 stark/nw guaranteed alive with 5 at current
Kj i just think is a wolf.
Beyond that, mostly shrugs, moderate unalignments, and setupgaming
You're one of the scum I expect. Just not Mafia.
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Personally I think setup gaming is a huge mistake here. Would be quite a lot they made sure it wasn't breakable/solvable by that or by 'there has to be 1 wolf in each faction/can't be multiple wolves in one faction' type things. Proph reviewed this, and I have some idea on how Shadow things. Feel like they'd both take delight in 'outsmarting' players who think they can outsmart them by trying to solve via anything but behavior.
Would be great if rhand didnt get shot so we can lynch him as a family
Noted.
I do still think 1 in each in of starks and lannisters/freys is likely, but thats not primary reasoning on rhand or kj its just working out.
I'll bite.
Assume Sir Chris flips wolf here.
What have you done this game that you think you should be read as town for?
Who are the remaining 3-4 wolves in a Chris wolf world?
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Yeah that's fair.
I'm uh.
A bit concerned about GJ in general and if Chris wasn't so obviously checked out I'd be even more concerned but... our hand was kind of forced with the trial by combat anyways.
If LnG is a wolf and forced the lynch between villager Chris and the SK who could kill a wolf at night, I'm honestly kind of impressed with the balls displayed. And less than impressed with the role itself, though it requires a very, very specific circumstance where it has value. Which is exactly this one where all lynches and kills at night hit town, but before it reached the 50% marker.
(Watch Cantrip end up being a deep wolf or something and this is why the PoE doesn't quite fully make 100% sense)
Also has GJ been...more active in NW chat than he has been in the thread?
Are faction chats only at night? That kinda blows if so tbh.
Lmao.
I forgot I said this last twilight in an attempt to not get NK'd. I figured if Chris was town, they'd want it to happen, and if Chris was scum, his ego wouldn't let him shoot me.
How uh. Appropriate that turned out to be?
The people hard unaligned with him (GJ, X=Y) aren't exactly filling me with confidence this day phase, and other PoE wolves are perfectly happy to be lynching Chris over me, or manufactured it so it'd be those two options in first place.
Still think that's unlikely, given the way Chris is playing this game out, but it's a small concern. One I'd feel a lot better about if GJ and X=Y slot had been more independently villagery.
But, like
Whatever
Then we get to deal with him blaming us for not listening to him in postgame while he takes no accountability for his own play.
It'll be "fun".
Thats not a thing i particularly pushed after day 1, i only see it as the simplest solution. Its not why i think youre scum to any meaningful degree.
I am stoked my early setupgaming looks more and more like it was correct, but thats about the extent of it