Vaimes, the accuser will choose a champion. Then LnGrrrR, the accused, will chose a champion. They may not choose each other.
No player other than the two champions may be lynched today.
Vaimes, who is your champion?
(Together you have a combined 24 hours to choose. You may choose sooner, simply post in bold “I choose [playername] as my champion.”)
Ok. So who are the two people we are going to pick between? Shadow didn't give me a deadline of when exactly we need to pick, but I assume it is soonish.
@GJ claim - I think that kinda has to be town if he doesn't get cc'd. With all the killing abilities in the game town needed to have some protection that's not behind a throne unlock.
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A un counterclaimed doc is town? Is that really all you feel about that?
I mean. There is a bulletproof claim, so it's not fully un-cc'd. And the setup is pretty light on power from what we've seen so far.
I am going to pretend I didn't read that. At least two extra killing abilities in a game is not what I could call light powered. It might not be role madness, but.....sheeeeesh.
tom in my experience is often shot early when he is being read as town. I considered SC the first night, and RE the 2nd night, but tom felt better to me night 1, and I don't think RE gets shot unless Cantrip flips.
I'm actually getting slightly concerned about it being Chris vs. GJ now. Full doc with no conditions to it seems a little odd in this setup relative to other roles I've seen.
But man does it feel like Chris is phoning it in and making no attempt to solve.
Winds, thanks for that clarification. I'm trying to figure out how bad you being compulsory is for us if we lynch correctly/if we need to tell you not to shoot. But if you can shoot into the Stark/Watch faction without consequence (maybe double-check that with Shadow/see if you can just not shoot), then I can (sorta) count on that not being a deciding factor. I guess I'd have to trust you to be telling the truth when you say you'd rather win with town. Good news is that if you're just a traditional SK, you really really want to be hitting scum toNight, anyway.
I totally forgot that HR flipped unlocked double-doc. Really reinforces the probability that one of Chris or GJ is scum. Also this...
I'm actually getting slightly concerned about it being Chris vs. GJ now. Full doc with no conditions to it seems a little odd in this setup relative to other roles I've seen.
But man does it feel like Chris is phoning it in and making no attempt to solve.
you said earlier one or the other
Was gonna ask why not both but
Well now theres another ~killing role im recalculating...
I kinda wanted to get run up and use this, but I don't want Starks/Wolves/NightWatch to snap vote someone late toDay to accomplish their wincon.
I have to go to bed soon, so if town wants to help out with discussion of the 2nd choice, I am for it. I am not down for just accomplishing a Stark wincon if it doesn't advance the town wincon.
@Rhand, if you feel like sharing, what's your wincon again? I need to find the post that collects faction win conditions.
I'm actually getting slightly concerned about it being Chris vs. GJ now. Full doc with no conditions to it seems a little odd in this setup relative to other roles I've seen.
But man does it feel like Chris is phoning it in and making no attempt to solve.
you said earlier one or the other
Was gonna ask why not both but
Well now theres another ~killing role im recalculating...
Don't think he ever claims full doc if he's with Chris who claimed bulletproof. Tbh it sounded like he didn't even know Chris claimed bulletproof when saying he's un-cc'd.
I'm actually getting slightly concerned about it being Chris vs. GJ now. Full doc with no conditions to it seems a little odd in this setup relative to other roles I've seen.
But man does it feel like Chris is phoning it in and making no attempt to solve.
you said earlier one or the other
Was gonna ask why not both but
Well now theres another ~killing role im recalculating...
Think one of them has to be town. Highroller's kill protection is conditional on him having the throne, so he's close to vanilla imo. With my role + possibly a 5 man wolf team I think there just...has to be kill protection on town in some form. GJ probably makes a little more sense even if the 'standard' role feels a little weird. Eh.
Alright first blush for this gladiator role was "theres the scum killing role to go with neutral winds and town kami/x=y" but thinkimg about some more the restrictions for it to be scum would have to be pretty crazy for him to be able to use in apparent lylo.
Like, he couldnt target a buddy or they could both choose townies and it's gg after 2 mislynches in a 19er?
Nah
If lngrr is town, think that makes x=y a little more likely scum. Which would make chris town and im not sure what thst means for gj
And if hes scum, at minimum its not with vaimes. Which isnt super helpful im pretty sold on vaimes just being town but it still exists...
So 1-2 in chris/x=y/gj/lngrr probably?
Specifically 1 in chris/x=y, and lngrr probably not with gj?
Lngrr expanding out the stark wincon gaming too...
Thats now 5 people we gotta kill 2 of. Theres gotta be scum there...
By setup/flavor/flips it should be vaimes but by behavior that's way less likely than rhand or lngrr...
Interesting turn of events, i would be fine with rhand or chris being the champions that are chosen. Also town does seem to have alot of protection but that is about it? Besides my role cop that is there is very little information to actually go around.
I ddont know yet. I would like some discussion here on who town think is the beat candidate. I mainly did this so Starks couldn't just jump on someone to yolo win. I want them to help earn this win. I am not opposed to Starks getting their wincon, heck by outing myself I have pretty much guaranteed that "townsiding" Winds will off me toNight.
So, given if I pick Rhand they will all jump on him even though most peopl think Chris is scum, I have to pick a target that isn't so juicy to them. Leaning between Shin and KJ right now, but I want input from the group.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm sad xequalsy doesn't have another shot because I KINDA feel like the game might end on me being lynched, and I basically lost the town the last two games...
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I guess I could make the ocean by picking someone pretty towny like XY or cantrip, and force scum to give up their own in Chris or come up with some bad reasoning to try not voting him.
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I am Tyrion Lannister. I have no faction and a redacted wincon.
My ability cant be activated D1 or when there are less than 50% people left.
I have a one shot that I can use at any time. When I use it, the earliest person to vote me each choose a person. The lynch must be between those two.
I will not have the Starks town side to win this game without trying to lynch scum once.
Brother Jamie, work with me to ensure the Starks wont use their numbers to push through a lynch just to accomplish their wincon.
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You know what, screw it. Tom, just vote me and I guess I will use it on you if I even still have it and we can just end this pathetic farce of a game.
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Vaimes, the accuser will choose a champion. Then LnGrrrR, the accused, will chose a champion. They may not choose each other.
No player other than the two champions may be lynched today.
Vaimes, who is your champion?
(Together you have a combined 24 hours to choose. You may choose sooner, simply post in bold “I choose [playername] as my champion.”)
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I am going to pretend I didn't read that. At least two extra killing abilities in a game is not what I could call light powered. It might not be role madness, but.....sheeeeesh.
tom in my experience is often shot early when he is being read as town. I considered SC the first night, and RE the 2nd night, but tom felt better to me night 1, and I don't think RE gets shot unless Cantrip flips.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
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Gj is claiming doc
Chris claiming bp
Last flipped nonkilling ascetic
1053 flipped unlockable nonkilling lightning rod
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Uhh.
Highroller flipped what now
This game is wild.
I don't really count 'needs to be on the throne to have the role' as a remotely strong role. They're basically vanilla in terms of game power.
He can show off how much better he is than me while fighting for his life.
But man does it feel like Chris is phoning it in and making no attempt to solve.
I totally forgot that HR flipped unlocked double-doc. Really reinforces the probability that one of Chris or GJ is scum. Also this...
...is hilarious.
Mechanically, I feel like it's more likely for GJ to be scum, but behaviorally, I'd lean Chris.
Was gonna ask why not both but
Well now theres another ~killing role im recalculating...
I kinda wanted to get run up and use this, but I don't want Starks/Wolves/NightWatch to snap vote someone late toDay to accomplish their wincon.
I have to go to bed soon, so if town wants to help out with discussion of the 2nd choice, I am for it. I am not down for just accomplishing a Stark wincon if it doesn't advance the town wincon.
@Rhand, if you feel like sharing, what's your wincon again? I need to find the post that collects faction win conditions.
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Don't think he ever claims full doc if he's with Chris who claimed bulletproof. Tbh it sounded like he didn't even know Chris claimed bulletproof when saying he's un-cc'd.
Think one of them has to be town. Highroller's kill protection is conditional on him having the throne, so he's close to vanilla imo. With my role + possibly a 5 man wolf team I think there just...has to be kill protection on town in some form. GJ probably makes a little more sense even if the 'standard' role feels a little weird. Eh.
Redacted altwincon, or do you not even know if you're town or scum?
These two statements seem contradictory?
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Like, he couldnt target a buddy or they could both choose townies and it's gg after 2 mislynches in a 19er?
Nah
If lngrr is town, think that makes x=y a little more likely scum. Which would make chris town and im not sure what thst means for gj
And if hes scum, at minimum its not with vaimes. Which isnt super helpful im pretty sold on vaimes just being town but it still exists...
Specifically 1 in chris/x=y, and lngrr probably not with gj?
Lngrr expanding out the stark wincon gaming too...
Thats now 5 people we gotta kill 2 of. Theres gotta be scum there...
By setup/flavor/flips it should be vaimes but by behavior that's way less likely than rhand or lngrr...
Jeez
The GJ way path to no lynching:
So, given if I pick Rhand they will all jump on him even though most peopl think Chris is scum, I have to pick a target that isn't so juicy to them. Leaning between Shin and KJ right now, but I want input from the group.
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Readingn ow,.
So I'd prefer that now happen.
I recall someone saying he was falling under the radar but people have been accusing me of that and I'm town so I'm not taking that too seriously.
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