Yeah, it seems like Targaryen, Lannister, and probably Baratheon? have the similar/same alt wincons. One of my posts yesterday and earlier in the game I hinted at being on the throne being beneficial to me as well. I'm the Targaryen that unlocks an ability by being on the throne and I'd be happy to see what that ability is.
”Can a man still be brave if he is afraid?”
-Bran Stark ”That is the only time a man can be brave.”
-Ned Stark
KamikazeArchon (7): Hunger, Vaimes, Vaimes*, LnGrrrR, Thousand_Winds, Cantripmancer, XequalsY (Lynch -1)
XequalsY (5): Sir Chris, Shinichi, RE1031, KamikazeArchon, Tubba Fett
Sir Chris (1): Rhand
Vaimes (1): Gentleman Johnny
Killjoy (1): tomsloger
Not Voting (1): Killjoy
With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is May 30 at 1700 MST. 8.5 hours from now
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Yeah, it seems like Targaryen, Lannister, and probably Baratheon? have the similar/same alt wincons. One of my posts yesterday and earlier in the game I hinted at being on the throne being beneficial to me as well. I'm the Targaryen that unlocks an ability by being on the throne and I'd be happy to see what that ability is.
Oh Hunger would be good too. But I think it’s too late to change now :/
I reeeeally don’t like slash don’t understand prioritizing secondary wincons over the main one.
Like??? It’s a mafia game. I didn’t think the other wincons counted for anything aside from fun little bonuses. Not things to make your primary purpose.
Also since I’m obviously a Lannister, I’m gonna come out and say that our other buddy has an ability to handpick the king. And that will complete our wincon (one person as king for three days OR two people from our group on the throne).
We were going to pick Kami since he’s the only one with a throne-locked ability, but I’m less enthusiastic about that now. And it certainly isn’t gonna impede our wincon if buddy #3 ascends to the throne instead of Kami.
I was originally gonna keep campaigning for votes because I like being king, but it makes more sense to just let my buddy take over because it completes our wincon in one less Day and leaves the throne open for non-Lannisters down the line.
I really wanted to be a Tyrell but then I guess shadow said “nah **** Vaimes let’s give him the opposite house.”
Ok, I'm back home and can post from my laptop finally!
Given that I have like 30 hours before deadline, I figure I'll catch up quickly to the rest of D2 and then do skim ISOs as I see helps.
I dislike RE's entrance and reaction to me shooting 1053. #2233 and #2234 as a combo felt gross to me - the vote on me is whatever if their 1053 town read was super strong. But their shade on Hunger is pinging me, unless I skimmed over an explanation they gave at some point in D1.
Out of the others, Rhand just /barning RE and Thousand Winds on me is a bit ???
@RE's #2292:
At that point in time, I felt I could maybe get a discussion going with Shinichi to get a solid read on him/get him lynched (whereas I think I had yet to see anything from 1053 D2), so went for a lurking scum read instead. Also being honest, I knew the faction of Shinichi already which contributed to why I shot elsewhere. I went ahead with a shot early today without other people's input because the game state at that point was basically glacial, just looking at how the wagons went today I doubted we were getting anywhere until right before deadline so maybe the shot attempt could generate discussion.
No, my role doesn't have a reason to need to hide my kill target before I make it. It's basically just a 50% shot with a caveat - I can't kill a certain person.
I think overall, I'm still town-reading RE. The open declaration of their win con is NAI, but I liked their probe and exchange with Chris. It felt like trying to solve Chris despite the alt win con meaning that RE would theoretically be ok with a shrug lynch/wagon on Chris. That plus the mysterious Cantrip clear thing I guess.
Not sure what to think of Chris at the current moment. I liked their start of D1, but I don't really remember much else they did after that so that read dropped off a little. Rod voted for Chris today because of his weird cage-y behaviour overnight regarding not wanting to flavour claim. I think overall it's probably NAI, but it did read a little theatrically (i.e. his paranoia was a bit overblown but I guess stuff like tom having two factions is a thing).
Not a fan of his reaction to people questioning his vote more than any actual reason he's laid out in the thread so far. His reaction to people wanting to discuss his Vaimes read in particular is what's most suspicious to me but then his stubbourness I'm not sure can come from scum!Chris. I know pride etc... but not changing the Vaimes read after multiple people went ??? at him for it then his last couple posts regarding people's comments on his play feels genuine in tone.
I'm not really sure I understand Kami's progression on me/Shin in D2. It makes sense why he's voting for me (i.e. the other wagon so he survives), but his progression from #2245 to #2468 is ???. He's super set on this dichotomy (then adds Chris for the trichotomy) but it doesn't really feel like he developed a read on me at all apart from more people having voted for me over Shin at this current point in time. Also his #2464 role speculation and his certainty that I'm the right lynch for today in #2468 is also a bit baffling to me.
Vote: Kami
I feel like Re's Entrance is justified based on how you came into the thread with a shot on someone that I don't think anyone encouraged to be shot. If you honestly believe i am scum it made no sense to shoot outside of me unless your abiility is unique or something? Its like why take a risk of shooting town when you can shoot someone that you seem to think is confirmed lurking town. As well even if the game state was frozen that doesnt justify shoting whoever you want lol.
Everyones open win cons have to be nai because if we let those control our decsion it leads to situation like for Re, where shhe clearly stated she will lynch town just for her alt win con.
I can't fathom chris read on vaimes but that alone would not make a person scum, it be even more weird if he just dropped that hard tunnel on him..
@LnG - Umm I think the fact that he goes out of his way to say, "buddy #3" means he isn't keen on giving up who it is yet.
I just got hit with a bunch of stuff at work and also my wife is heading out of town for the weekend so I'm on solo dad duty and probably won't have time to be here the last couple hours up to deadline. I'll be checking the thread still throughout the day and can comment, but won't have time for much else.
Pretty sure we are just going to end up with a Kami lynch toDay even though I'm having some doubts about the ease of how it has built and lack of real stances on it. Like, Rhand saying, "I'm not seeing it, but will do it anyway," and Vaimes saying he isn't that into it, Chris saying he isn't pushing it but isn't opposed, and pretty much no one else has offered anything very concrete either. So not sure what else there really is to say anyway, but it's feeling a lot like another deadline settle lynch. Hopefully he flips scum otherwise we are going to need to have a really productive Night.
Also since I’m obviously a Lannister, I’m gonna come out and say that our other buddy has an ability to handpick the king. And that will complete our wincon (one person as king for three days OR two people from our group on the throne).
We were going to pick Kami since he’s the only one with a throne-locked ability, but I’m less enthusiastic about that now. And it certainly isn’t gonna impede our wincon if buddy #3 ascends to the throne instead of Kami.
I could be misreading, but I'm pretty sure that said ability is already locked in as targeting me, and besides I doubt that that ability can self-target. I believe that if you go through with this we will not win tonight, and risk not winning at all.
Also for the record: said third buddy should be considered town, because Mafia having an ability to select the Throne would be weird/OP.
As for prioritization of wincons: it's absolutely a personal choice and I don't think anyone is doing it wrong. If someone disagrees with me, that's fine for them. Speaking for myself: yeah it's a mafia game, but I could play basics anytime I wanted. I prefer FTQs, specialties, etc. because of the weird and unique mechanics, so I prioritize those aspects of the game.
Regarding deadline: Vaimes, if you just switch your votes, X=Y is also at K-1.
@xequalsy
Why would knowing Shinichi's faction influence your shot? Faction shouldn't be relevant to alignment?
If you hoped to get discussion going, shooting a lurker was not the way to do it. Shinichi was frequently the candidate people defaulted to scumreading - killing him would have at least forced them to look elsewhere. So avoiding shooting Shinichi is exactly what I'd expect scum to do :I
1053 was nearly confirmed town to me. I also think asking who would be a worthy shot is a good way of generating discussion?
I think I've been explicit about this, but shooting a confirmed Stark doesn't help my alt win con whereas shooting someone who wasn't confirmed a faction that didn't advance my alt win con does. To be even more explicit - targs need to kill baratheons (the other clause doesn't feel achievable in the current game state).
Also, people were already discussing good shots in the thread before I went ahead and did it. Many of them said that they were considering shooting into the lurker pile.
I was originally gonna keep campaigning for votes because I like being king, but it makes more sense to just let my buddy take over because it completes our wincon in one less Day and leaves the throne open for non-Lannisters down the line.
I really wanted to be a Tyrell but then I guess shadow said “nah **** Vaimes let’s give him the opposite house.”
I was originally gonna keep campaigning for votes because I like being king, but it makes more sense to just let my buddy take over because it completes our wincon in one less Day and leaves the throne open for non-Lannisters down the line.
I really wanted to be a Tyrell but then I guess shadow said “nah **** Vaimes let’s give him the opposite house.”
Wherever you are Tyrells, I love you.
unvote you ninny, I can’t self nominate
Ugh, you implied you could in factionchat.
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xy is like, the one wagon I’m against but I’ll vote there to avoid a No Lynch.
I'll be around for another hour or two. I really don't want to lynch X=Y though... if anything, we could use his shot as a lynch during D3. I mean, at some point he'll have to hit scum just by odds.
I'll be around for another hour or two. I really don't want to lynch X=Y though... if anything, we could use his shot as a lynch during D3. I mean, at some point he'll have to hit scum just by odds.
That's very optimistic. Even if he is town, it's only 50%.
Figured Targs would want Baratheons dead.
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I was originally gonna keep campaigning for votes because I like being king, but it makes more sense to just let my buddy take over because it completes our wincon in one less Day and leaves the throne open for non-Lannisters down the line.
I really wanted to be a Tyrell but then I guess shadow said “nah **** Vaimes let’s give him the opposite house.”
Wherever you are Tyrells, I love you.
unvote you ninny, I can’t self nominate
Ugh, you implied you could in factionchat.
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xy is like, the one wagon I’m against but I’ll vote there to avoid a No Lynch.
I did and I was wrong and no I know better. Sorry my liege.
I reeeeally don’t like slash don’t understand prioritizing secondary wincons over the main one.
Like??? It’s a mafia game. I didn’t think the other wincons counted for anything aside from fun little bonuses. Not things to make your primary purpose.
@RE - What's your point with Targs wanting Baratheon's dead? Like, if we do, what are you implying?
I'm against an xy lynch still. His 1053 shot was bad, but until we have an idea where the extra kill came from, I don't want to lynch a potential town vig. We can probably just leash him tomorrow.
EBWOP: @RE - ahh I see, two Baratheons have died. That's actually a good point. No, we haven't received confirmation of meeting our wincon. Which means that at the very least if HR was the scum kill it's very unlikely that there is a Targaryen on the scum team?
Chris is serious. GJ seems to be going for something more jovial.
A bit argumentative, dontchathink?
Pretty much a blind sheepvote, if you must know. Also dislike SC wagon, so voting with him on a counterwagon seems the best way to make my point. Might even read your iso if I feel like it.
Mindmeld tom though. I tried to get through Tubba's iso, and just stopped. He seemed like he was making posts and asking questions, but doesn't really feel dazzling. I would gut lean town, but I can't imagine his wolf range is that much different.
I think the only other wagons that would be viable are Tubba or Hunger, but don't think the votes are there 2-3 hours before deadline.
Why do you think I am a viable wagon? Multiple people have mentioned liking me in the last few pages and I've never had more than two votes on me. I think same with Tubba actually.
Rhand and Shin have been been primary wagons and probably still could be. Why leave them out?
Pretty sure if you are going to say Tubba is viable the same could be said about KJ too. I think more people have said they don't have a town read on KJ and/or would vote him. Tom is currently.
Speaking of tom, did he say anything about being absent recently? He is always around and seems to be conveniently MIA while actual things need to happen after jumping from the lead wagon to a one-off.
Yeah, I guess Rhand and Shin could be viable? I don't know, it's 10PM here and I'm checking this in between coding stuff for college. Not really 100% focused here. I don't particularly like Rhand or Shin as a wagon, though Shin wouldn't be... horrible, I guess.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I really don’t think lynching x=y toDay is a good idea.
And neither is no lynching.
vote Kami
Getting convinced Vaimes is scum. But too late for that toDay :/
Im still not really following the whole KA is scum, at day start sure i saw it but not really anymore. Espically since hes voting XY though i guess that is his coounter train.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I really don’t think lynching x=y toDay is a good idea.
And neither is no lynching.
vote Kami
Getting convinced Vaimes is scum. But too late for that toDay :/
Still disagree. It looks like Vaimes is just pushing his alt wincon.
He most certainly is. What do you make of the fact I previously pointed out that he poo-poo'd people going for their alt wincons and then on the same page when he found out his alt wincon that he had secured was no longer secured he abandoned his vote in favor of his alt wincon.
I really don’t think lynching x=y toDay is a good idea.
And neither is no lynching.
vote Kami
Getting convinced Vaimes is scum. But too late for that toDay :/
Im still not really following the whole KA is scum, at day start sure i saw it but not really anymore. Espically since hes voting XY though i guess that is his coounter train.
For me, his reaction to Winds that I quoted, and in general his demenor seems... I guess like, look at his response to Rhand above yours. It looks more like he wants to get Rhand off him than analyzing what Rhand is doing.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
-Bran Stark
”That is the only time a man can be brave.”
-Ned Stark
KamikazeArchon (7): Hunger, Vaimes, Vaimes*, LnGrrrR, Thousand_Winds, Cantripmancer, XequalsY (Lynch -1)
XequalsY (5): Sir Chris, Shinichi, RE1031, KamikazeArchon, Tubba Fett
Sir Chris (1): Rhand
Vaimes (1): Gentleman Johnny
Killjoy (1): tomsloger
Not Voting (1): Killjoy
With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is May 30 at 1700 MST. 8.5 hours from now
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That’s why I am voting KJ.
Intent to hammer. I’ll wait a few hours.
Oh Hunger would be good too. But I think it’s too late to change now :/
Like??? It’s a mafia game. I didn’t think the other wincons counted for anything aside from fun little bonuses. Not things to make your primary purpose.
We were going to pick Kami since he’s the only one with a throne-locked ability, but I’m less enthusiastic about that now. And it certainly isn’t gonna impede our wincon if buddy #3 ascends to the throne instead of Kami.
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I really wanted to be a Tyrell but then I guess shadow said “nah **** Vaimes let’s give him the opposite house.”
Wherever you are Tyrells, I love you.
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I feel like Re's Entrance is justified based on how you came into the thread with a shot on someone that I don't think anyone encouraged to be shot. If you honestly believe i am scum it made no sense to shoot outside of me unless your abiility is unique or something? Its like why take a risk of shooting town when you can shoot someone that you seem to think is confirmed lurking town. As well even if the game state was frozen that doesnt justify shoting whoever you want lol.
Everyones open win cons have to be nai because if we let those control our decsion it leads to situation like for Re, where shhe clearly stated she will lynch town just for her alt win con.
I can't fathom chris read on vaimes but that alone would not make a person scum, it be even more weird if he just dropped that hard tunnel on him..
@LnG - Umm I think the fact that he goes out of his way to say, "buddy #3" means he isn't keen on giving up who it is yet.
I just got hit with a bunch of stuff at work and also my wife is heading out of town for the weekend so I'm on solo dad duty and probably won't have time to be here the last couple hours up to deadline. I'll be checking the thread still throughout the day and can comment, but won't have time for much else.
Pretty sure we are just going to end up with a Kami lynch toDay even though I'm having some doubts about the ease of how it has built and lack of real stances on it. Like, Rhand saying, "I'm not seeing it, but will do it anyway," and Vaimes saying he isn't that into it, Chris saying he isn't pushing it but isn't opposed, and pretty much no one else has offered anything very concrete either. So not sure what else there really is to say anyway, but it's feeling a lot like another deadline settle lynch. Hopefully he flips scum otherwise we are going to need to have a really productive Night.
Also for the record: said third buddy should be considered town, because Mafia having an ability to select the Throne would be weird/OP.
As for prioritization of wincons: it's absolutely a personal choice and I don't think anyone is doing it wrong. If someone disagrees with me, that's fine for them. Speaking for myself: yeah it's a mafia game, but I could play basics anytime I wanted. I prefer FTQs, specialties, etc. because of the weird and unique mechanics, so I prioritize those aspects of the game.
Regarding deadline: Vaimes, if you just switch your votes, X=Y is also at K-1.
I think I've been explicit about this, but shooting a confirmed Stark doesn't help my alt win con whereas shooting someone who wasn't confirmed a faction that didn't advance my alt win con does. To be even more explicit - targs need to kill baratheons (the other clause doesn't feel achievable in the current game state).
Also, people were already discussing good shots in the thread before I went ahead and did it. Many of them said that they were considering shooting into the lurker pile.
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xy is like, the one wagon I’m against but I’ll vote there to avoid a No Lynch.
Vote xequalsy
Vote xequalsy
I blame all of you. You have failed your king.
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Figured Targs would want Baratheons dead.
Do you know if your wincon has been achieved yet? Are you notified as much?
^Last question was directed at the Targs.
I did and I was wrong and no I know better. Sorry my liege.
I'm against an xy lynch still. His 1053 shot was bad, but until we have an idea where the extra kill came from, I don't want to lynch a potential town vig. We can probably just leash him tomorrow.
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Lannisters
Targaryens
Starks
LastWshiper, Town, Arya Stark, Ascetic
Baratheon
Highroller, Town, Renly Baratheon ?
1053nm, Town, Stannis Baratheon, ?,
Other
Grapefruit, Town, Varys, the Realm, Faction Cop
Feel free to add on.
Btw Rhand, I think this is the post that triggered me re: GJ on Sir Chris. Not as chainsaw-y though as I remember.
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There’s a huge storm in my area so my café is gonna be pretty empty tonight.
I’m pretty indifferent on KJ.
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A No Lynch isn’t nearly as awful since we get extra kills from both vigs, and I don’t really think xy is gonna flip scum anyways.
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The alternative is voting me to the throne two more times, which is unlikely given that others are starting to campaign to unlock abilities.
Rhand and Shin have been been primary wagons and probably still could be. Why leave them out?
Pretty sure if you are going to say Tubba is viable the same could be said about KJ too. I think more people have said they don't have a town read on KJ and/or would vote him. Tom is currently.
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...caught my attention. Why are you so certain the extra kills we've witnessed are likely to be multi-shot/unlimited?
Actually, Deadline is in 2 hours. Will vote now but I'll be around until close to deadline.
Vote Kami
And neither is no lynching.
vote Kami
Getting convinced Vaimes is scum. But too late for that toDay :/
Im still not really following the whole KA is scum, at day start sure i saw it but not really anymore. Espically since hes voting XY though i guess that is his coounter train.