Rodemy shaded me heavily for not claiming my flavor to the targ chat.
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Hunger said it made sense and he talked about claiming his flavor right away.
Was actually more paranoid about Hunger for awhile
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I am playing Dragon Quest you cannot harm me anymore, Tom.
Also x=y has only looked worse since the terrible vig shot. See no reason to go for Hunger. Plus him being scum would mean a lot of town points to be had.
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What are the odds that we're being dunked by a Cantrip/RE wolfteam?
Dont know the combo for certain but lynching town Chris day 2 is going to be pretty hilariously bad.
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What are the odds that we're being dunked by a Cantrip/RE wolfteam?
0, I am town.
I've given you options for scum, and you're not listening. You're townreading my strongest suspect. I'd be down with killing Hunger - and it would help with the gamestate.
If you want to tinfoil though, best read all my posts and figure out why I'm doing what I'm doing.
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I mean, I am voting x=y so can we please not do dumb things for the sake of your dumb wincon?
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I mean, I am voting x=y so can we please not do dumb things for the sake of your dumb wincon?
With or without my vote, someone is likely to be lynched. If it's you, I'm not missing out.
vote: xequalsy
I swear though, if someone puts you in L-2 range again, I'm going to get very testy. Will take this moment to say I don't care for the manner of Kami's vote either. I've always hated "answer my question" votes, or "do this or else my vote stays" votes. Most of the time it's scum looking for excuses to place an unwarranted vote.
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At the end of the day I am fine with my effort here. Last game gutted me for multiple reasons. This one? Eh. Not on me if people arent listening just because I cant be A game Chris.
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Is this the way Town!Chris deals with getting mislynched?
apparently he hasn't been mislynched for 8 years since last game where he was hammered in lylo before given the chance to say anything so who knows
(sorry i could not resist)
That is actually true btw.
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I am not entirely ok with it but I am tired and maybe I should be put out to pasture.
Like two of my best town reada drop first two days. Always sad times.
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RE, can you talk about your reads that don't involve the Targaryens?
Do you actually think all 3 of them are wolves? Are you fully caught up after being gone a while?
It's not that I've been gone for a while. I check the thread periodically when I'm not posting. I'm just burnt out, to be honest.
I've read everything, some parts in less detail.
Actually developed a pretty large town and maybe town pile but scrapped it since it was lazy. Essentially consisted of everyone except for Kami, Hunger, xequalsy, Sir Chris (though he's been slightly more townie the past 2 pages), and GJ, with KJ, Tubba, Rhand, and Cantrip being in the maybe pile.
KJ's there mostly for his treatment of Rhand. The hesitation in lynching/pushing Rhand feels genuine.
Rhand I don't feel that strongly about and probably should boot to the PoE. I think I liked that he requested to be added to someone else's house but that was it; scum typically wouldn't want to be forced to communicate with town at night (at least I wouldn't). Something possibly worth noting is Highroller and 1053 expressed suspicion of that slot primarily.
Cantrip's a mechanical read and I'm being lazy at this point. Have half the mind to sheep tom on him though.
I liked Tubba's read of LnGrrrR from day 1 - but otherwise I'm not picking up much.
Shinichi is a pretty agreed upon scumread and I think the split's a result of players who've played with him several times opposed to those who have not. So like, I don't think he's flipping scum, but I'm not confident he's someone I can clear before an inevitable mislynch or misfire. I want him sorted so the players focused on him, if town, can do something productive, or if scum, have fewer places to hide.
I don't think all 3 are wolves. Nah. I'm hoping two are, but I think one's the more realistic number.
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@Lngr: did you miss my question?
Also, are you consciously playing differently than usual? My meta read on you doesn’t work this game and that bothers me.
Doesn't really feel like half the game has any real interest in solving.
Unfortunately not half the game is wolves.
Starting to think the alt win condition thing just isn't a good idea in a mafia game, especially if it leads to situations like the above where RE just wants to kill any of those three from a faction.
It's impacting me a little bit, since there probably is a wolf in Tom, KJ, Shinichi, (other player whose name I know is in one of my target factions), but I don't think it's really feasible for there to be 2+ and my win condition to be achievable so. Meh. 3 other wolves to find, it's just kinda hard to find them when there's a lot of people with other agendas.
Starting to think the alt win condition thing just isn't a good idea in a mafia game, especially if it leads to situations like the above where RE just wants to kill any of those three from a faction.
You're discrediting my reasoning on xequalsy. You're discrediting the possibility of a scum!Hunger.
If you can't see it, then that's on you. Rather, I think you're blinded by solving via probability of scum in any one house. Which unlike my reasons for scumreading xequalsy, cannot be used by anyone other than yourself and maybe tom.
My lack of interest is not due to the alternate win conditions. And I doubt the lack of solving from half the game has to do with it either.
You asked for reads, I gave them to you. I have players I have no issue killing - and it's those I think are less than town than not - all whom I've listed. And then there are players who, if they are going to lynched - see Chris at L-2 not too long ago, I HAVE to vote.
Game stagnation isn't my fault.
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I didn't like the reaction because it felt like he knew it wouldn't flip scum.
Yeah, I got that, but why? (I don't see how you come to that conclusion. What about his reaction is unnatural/points to him knowing 1053 wouldn't flip scum?)
Chris, you didn't answer my question in 2237, and I feel like you're resorting to WIFOM in 2248. You're a strong player; I feel like scum!you could pretty easily jump on any wagon and feel like you could town!justify it if you were really called on it. Why resort to "why would scum!me do this?"
Shinichi, I want you to show me where you've taken stances because I don't feel like you've taken very many. You have a lot of wordy words, but I don't really get a sense of where you stand on many people. Regarding the RE read: it's mechanical. Hence me talking about me doing a Thing.
LnG, did you ever respond to Rhand's 2273? Also, FTR, there is absolutely zero conflict between my alt wincons and my primary wincon of ending scum.
GJ, I still don't like the way you went about "announcing" how my ability might work; it felt like you looking for me to confirm/correct. And the question at the end of this post was the one I didn't see you answer:
GentlemanJ, I'm definitely enjoying King Vaimes, and I still have Chris in my undecided pile. I didn't vote you for that; I voted you because you fished for information two posts in a row, and that's not cool. Why did you jump to the conclusion that I was voting you because of my position on Vaimes/Chris?
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I am not opposed to a Chris lynch, not after his reactions to getting multiple votes. Lots of AtE and fearmongering. And refusing to claim + "teaching town a lesson in humility" is not a series of townie choices.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Starting to think the alt win condition thing just isn't a good idea in a mafia game, especially if it leads to situations like the above where RE just wants to kill any of those three from a faction.
You're discrediting my reasoning on xequalsy. You're discrediting the possibility of a scum!Hunger.
If you can't see it, then that's on you. Rather, I think you're blinded by solving via probability of scum in any one house. Which unlike my reasons for scumreading xequalsy, cannot be used by anyone other than yourself and maybe tom.
My lack of interest is not due to the alternate win conditions. And I doubt the lack of solving from half the game has to do with it either.
You asked for reads, I gave them to you. I have players I have no issue killing - and it's those I think are less than town than not - all whom I've listed. And then there are players who, if they are going to lynched - see Chris at L-2 not too long ago, I HAVE to vote.
Game stagnation isn't my fault.
I think your reasoning on x=y being scum is bad. I think everyone's reasoning on him being scum is bad. Think there's almost 0% chance he's a wolf this game and that's a terrible lynch. Hunger definitely has wolf equity - though I don't think he's a wolf with KA, who I think is a slightly more likely wolf.
I wouldn't be opposed to a Hunger lynch, really, but on a practical level that's not something we're going to get 8 votes for in a day or so. Think if KA and Hunger both die, there's a wolf in those two 95%+ of the time (but not both).
I am not opposed to a Chris lynch, not after his reactions to getting multiple votes. Lots of AtE and fearmongering. And refusing to claim + "teaching town a lesson in humility" is not a series of townie choices.
I disagree. Wisp did practically the same thing. Combined with restricted time + IRL priorities, I don't think this reaction is impossible to come from town. It's not really an uncommon way for town to react in this situation :I
Though refusing to claim, that's really not good.
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I think your reasoning on x=y being scum is bad. I think everyone's reasoning on him being scum is bad. Think there's almost 0% chance he's a wolf this game and that's a terrible lynch.
I think your reasoning on x=y being scum is bad. I think everyone's reasoning on him being scum is bad. Think there's almost 0% chance he's a wolf this game and that's a terrible lynch.
yo is the bolded hyperbole?
Eh. Maybe a tiny bit hyperbole, but Prophylaxis reviewed this game, and I think odds there's a 50/50 scum dayvig are pretty ******* close to zero given that. It's so insanely swingy, and restricts so much you can do design wise.
I think your reasoning on x=y being scum is bad. I think everyone's reasoning on him being scum is bad. Think there's almost 0% chance he's a wolf this game and that's a terrible lynch.
yo is the bolded hyperbole?
Eh. Maybe a tiny bit hyperbole, but Prophylaxis reviewed this game, and I think odds there's a 50/50 scum dayvig are pretty ******* close to zero given that. It's so insanely swingy, and restricts so much you can do design wise.
even that level if certainty is mindboggling to me
Even ignoring some pretty questionable behavior...
It could have been fake d1 and real d2, flavor win considering the dragons gotta grow up
Theres another extra shot going around if that were to flip town hows that change things?
Scum having any additional KP is very powerful making it inconsistent and public seems very balancing on how it can be used
And i know i said ignore tge behavior but god 1053 is such a scum shot there
My post wasnt wifom. Someone said I was scum for doing it so I asked what my motive was from their perspective.
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Was actually more paranoid about Hunger for awhile
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vote: Hunger
Thinking. Also looking for a good gif of a toothless dragon to taunt chris with
Also x=y has only looked worse since the terrible vig shot. See no reason to go for Hunger. Plus him being scum would mean a lot of town points to be had.
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vote: Sir Chris
What are the odds that we're being dunked by a Cantrip/RE wolfteam?
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Dont know the combo for certain but lynching town Chris day 2 is going to be pretty hilariously bad.
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I've given you options for scum, and you're not listening. You're townreading my strongest suspect. I'd be down with killing Hunger - and it would help with the gamestate.
If you want to tinfoil though, best read all my posts and figure out why I'm doing what I'm doing.
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Though my scumreads of xequalsy and Hunger are independent of that. It doesn't help that my motivation is through the floor for [redacted].
I really would rather vote Hunger or xequalsy. But I need to be on your train if you're getting lynched.
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With or without my vote, someone is likely to be lynched. If it's you, I'm not missing out.
vote: xequalsy
I swear though, if someone puts you in L-2 range again, I'm going to get very testy. Will take this moment to say I don't care for the manner of Kami's vote either. I've always hated "answer my question" votes, or "do this or else my vote stays" votes. Most of the time it's scum looking for excuses to place an unwarranted vote.
At the end of the day I am fine with my effort here. Last game gutted me for multiple reasons. This one? Eh. Not on me if people arent listening just because I cant be A game Chris.
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(sorry i could not resist)
That is actually true btw.
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As a wolf I could at least see you going for a type of play where you pretend to be okay with it in a way that like 'a wolf would never do this', idk.
Do you actually think all 3 of them are wolves? Are you fully caught up after being gone a while?
Like two of my best town reada drop first two days. Always sad times.
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I've read everything, some parts in less detail.
Actually developed a pretty large town and maybe town pile but scrapped it since it was lazy. Essentially consisted of everyone except for Kami, Hunger, xequalsy, Sir Chris (though he's been slightly more townie the past 2 pages), and GJ, with KJ, Tubba, Rhand, and Cantrip being in the maybe pile.
KJ's there mostly for his treatment of Rhand. The hesitation in lynching/pushing Rhand feels genuine.
Rhand I don't feel that strongly about and probably should boot to the PoE. I think I liked that he requested to be added to someone else's house but that was it; scum typically wouldn't want to be forced to communicate with town at night (at least I wouldn't). Something possibly worth noting is Highroller and 1053 expressed suspicion of that slot primarily.
Cantrip's a mechanical read and I'm being lazy at this point. Have half the mind to sheep tom on him though.
I liked Tubba's read of LnGrrrR from day 1 - but otherwise I'm not picking up much.
Shinichi is a pretty agreed upon scumread and I think the split's a result of players who've played with him several times opposed to those who have not. So like, I don't think he's flipping scum, but I'm not confident he's someone I can clear before an inevitable mislynch or misfire. I want him sorted so the players focused on him, if town, can do something productive, or if scum, have fewer places to hide.
I don't think all 3 are wolves. Nah. I'm hoping two are, but I think one's the more realistic number.
@Lngr: did you miss my question?
Also, are you consciously playing differently than usual? My meta read on you doesn’t work this game and that bothers me.
X=Y (3): Chris, Shin, RE
GJ (2): Cantrip, LnGrr
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Vaimes (1): GJ
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Not Voting (1): KJ
Unfortunately not half the game is wolves.
Starting to think the alt win condition thing just isn't a good idea in a mafia game, especially if it leads to situations like the above where RE just wants to kill any of those three from a faction.
It's impacting me a little bit, since there probably is a wolf in Tom, KJ, Shinichi, (other player whose name I know is in one of my target factions), but I don't think it's really feasible for there to be 2+ and my win condition to be achievable so. Meh. 3 other wolves to find, it's just kinda hard to find them when there's a lot of people with other agendas.
Also having some trouble believing Chris does this as a wolf.
Lastwhisper (presumably) being the N1 kill makes very little sense in a universe where Chris has control over the night kill.
If you can't see it, then that's on you. Rather, I think you're blinded by solving via probability of scum in any one house. Which unlike my reasons for scumreading xequalsy, cannot be used by anyone other than yourself and maybe tom.
My lack of interest is not due to the alternate win conditions. And I doubt the lack of solving from half the game has to do with it either.
You asked for reads, I gave them to you. I have players I have no issue killing - and it's those I think are less than town than not - all whom I've listed. And then there are players who, if they are going to lynched - see Chris at L-2 not too long ago, I HAVE to vote.
Game stagnation isn't my fault.
Chris, you didn't answer my question in 2237, and I feel like you're resorting to WIFOM in 2248. You're a strong player; I feel like scum!you could pretty easily jump on any wagon and feel like you could town!justify it if you were really called on it. Why resort to "why would scum!me do this?"
Shinichi, I want you to show me where you've taken stances because I don't feel like you've taken very many. You have a lot of wordy words, but I don't really get a sense of where you stand on many people. Regarding the RE read: it's mechanical. Hence me talking about me doing a Thing.
LnG, did you ever respond to Rhand's 2273? Also, FTR, there is absolutely zero conflict between my alt wincons and my primary wincon of ending scum.
GJ, I still don't like the way you went about "announcing" how my ability might work; it felt like you looking for me to confirm/correct. And the question at the end of this post was the one I didn't see you answer:
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Weekend was long, and about to go to sleep, but I will definitely be around the next 40ish hours until deadline if anyone wants to ask questions.
Either tomorrow morning or Wed I'll catch up Today and give thoughts and reads and such.
Sory folks
I think your reasoning on x=y being scum is bad. I think everyone's reasoning on him being scum is bad. Think there's almost 0% chance he's a wolf this game and that's a terrible lynch. Hunger definitely has wolf equity - though I don't think he's a wolf with KA, who I think is a slightly more likely wolf.
I wouldn't be opposed to a Hunger lynch, really, but on a practical level that's not something we're going to get 8 votes for in a day or so. Think if KA and Hunger both die, there's a wolf in those two 95%+ of the time (but not both).
Though refusing to claim, that's really not good.
Bad play =/= wolf, unfortunately, or mafia in general would be a lot easier.
Eh. Maybe a tiny bit hyperbole, but Prophylaxis reviewed this game, and I think odds there's a 50/50 scum dayvig are pretty ******* close to zero given that. It's so insanely swingy, and restricts so much you can do design wise.
Why are Kami and Hunger unlikely to be aligned? Remind me - sorry if I missed it recently.
They've been pushing each other a fair bit. Possible it's distancing, but doesn't really feel like it.
I was referring to Sir CHris with the first part, but the second part applies to both, yeah.
Even ignoring some pretty questionable behavior...
It could have been fake d1 and real d2, flavor win considering the dragons gotta grow up
Theres another extra shot going around if that were to flip town hows that change things?
Scum having any additional KP is very powerful making it inconsistent and public seems very balancing on how it can be used
And i know i said ignore tge behavior but god 1053 is such a scum shot there
Anyway I got some sleep. I am Jorah, bulletproof. Yes I laughed when I got my role PM.
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Also lol
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Unvote, vote Kami
Unvote, vote Kami
I'm weak, don't @ me.