Well so much for that Grape ISO it appears. Claim sounds legit, but NAI. Could go either way, though I'm inclined to lean towards the scum not being in their own factions, but I'm not really basing that off anything other than what I think would be most balanced/interesting setup wise. Although, KA's question would be poignant had the hammer not already fell, I'd liked to have heard Grape's explanation for tom having two factions.
@Grape - If you are town, can you provide any info on tom having a second faction? Did you get a choice or any indication that was the case?
@RE - I'd like to hear about your thoughts on why you wanted him to join Rod? I had a different opinion.
@Grape
nothing was going to change...
at minimum there's 1 scum on your train, at max there's 2, I doubt it took 3 or more to take you done
the rest are off wagon somewhere
@RE - Not entirely sure what your motive is here for wanting me to go first or what it is you are trying to hide, but I guess this is pretty harmless to share...I thought the obvious shot should go at LnG to see what happens given his no faction claim. Either you get a faction and prove him lying or...something?
if Grape flips town after what just happened... I will probably cry
after what just happened?
A nullish claim and 2 null people hammering?
I'm very curious as to why you think I'm null.
you think you should be otherwise?
I'd be open to hear reasons as to why you're hesitating on reading me. When I subbed into DitF, you were really quick to townread me, and even though it wasn't day 1, it was the first day for me. Why is it different here?
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My apologies wisp. Fine instead of hammering your insistence on not moving.
off what? that claim? lmao
anyways I will talk to KJ in my chat tonight, and get something real out of him
and hopefully my brother
I think im going to ignore most if not all of the things Tom has to say, I want him to get shot by a vigi at this point
@Grape
nothing was going to change...
at minimum there's 1 scum on your train, at max there's 2, I doubt it took 3 or more to take you done
the rest are off wagon somewhere
There is a real chance it's zero. The top wagons were all townish and no one was justifying votes. Scum would have had a field day trying to mess with expectations. And if scum were less active they may have just missed it. The wagon (literally for me) popped up overnight.
@RE - Not entirely sure what your motive is here for wanting me to go first or what it is you are trying to hide, but I guess this is pretty harmless to share...I thought the obvious shot should go at LnG to see what happens given his no faction claim. Either you get a faction and prove him lying or...something?
Ah, that's fair.
I was being entirely selfish in wanting Grape to join Rod's faction. I think you can read between the lines.
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My apologies wisp. Fine instead of hammering your insistence on not moving.
off what? that claim? lmao
anyways I will talk to KJ in my chat tonight, and get something real out of him
and hopefully my brother
I think im going to ignore most if not all of the things Tom has to say, I want him to get shot by a vigi at this point
literally based on what?
everything you do
@Grape
ok ill humor the possibility of none as well
@RE - Not entirely sure what your motive is here for wanting me to go first or what it is you are trying to hide, but I guess this is pretty harmless to share...I thought the obvious shot should go at LnG to see what happens given his no faction claim. Either you get a faction and prove him lying or...something?
If I'd survived tonight I was 100% using the faction cop on him. Probably would have said he was factionless but confirmation would have been good. For a hail mary survive/gain a acheivable win con though he was a lower priority.
if Grape flips town after what just happened... I will probably cry
after what just happened?
A nullish claim and 2 null people hammering?
I'm very curious as to why you think I'm null.
you think you should be otherwise?
I'd be open to hear reasons as to why you're hesitating on reading me. When I subbed into DitF, you were really quick to townread me, and even though it wasn't day 1, it was the first day for me. Why is it different here?
you were towny there and havent been here?
Like, what kind of question is that domt think youre playing similar but also why would you be you had many flips to work with that game
Kinda feels like last outed himself in this twilight... like i asked a super reasonable question and he cant answer it and just suddenly wants me dead for no reason
Kinda feels like last outed himself in this twilight... like i asked a super reasonable question and he cant answer it and just suddenly wants me dead for no reason
suddenly I think I've expressed through out the last hours of the day phase how much I want u shot
I think it's obnoxious how you called RE a neutral
Grapes claim was garbage, and then he immediately votes Rhand for the starks win-con
Like if I hadn't had it I would have immediately started speculating about a mercanary role. The fact that Rhand believed DV's fake recruitment shot so easily being another datapoint in favor of there being faction joining as a likelihood (regardless of their own t/s alignment).
RE was jealous I didn't join her faction? KJ and Wisp are playing against their (alt) win cons?
kj has been prostark so far afaict
Last doesnt seem to be playing to any win conditions
Shin is representing that hes only going for town wincon which id call objectively fake/scummy for most people but shin... lolidk
I'd be open to hear reasons as to why you're hesitating on reading me. When I subbed into DitF, you were really quick to townread me, and even though it wasn't day 1, it was the first day for me. Why is it different here?
you were towny there and havent been here?
Like, what kind of question is that domt think youre playing similar but also why would you be you had many flips to work with that game
It's not really that though. Your read of me in that game was meta-based, since you believed my scum game was weak (and it is, due to inconsistency with my town meta). Like, I guess I can wait a day? But it's strange you're not holding me to same standard you did in a fairly recent game.
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I just don't trust that we could get a cfd to Rhand before deadline. I've tried twice today to get a wagon on him and only ones made any progress. But not enough. It was between Rhand and Grape with a side order of re based on behavior. But obviously, that wasn't a thing.
1053 is a person I'll look at now closely tomorrow.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Shin is representing that hes only going for town wincon which id call objectively fake/scummy for most people but shin... lolidk
like literally the only *good* reason to ignore your other wincons is of youre scum and need people to thibk youre really towny
And even then it should be a lie i dont trust anyone thats openly game throwing
But lolshin
This entire game has just been a ***** show to me, and the whole alt win cons kinda break the integrity of the game. Town should be trying to lynch town not people of the factions that represent their extra win con. I will not be voting people because of their faction only their alignment. If you don't like it lynch me tom, but I will not vote someone off because they're the faction we need to remove for our 2nd win con.
I'd be open to hear reasons as to why you're hesitating on reading me. When I subbed into DitF, you were really quick to townread me, and even though it wasn't day 1, it was the first day for me. Why is it different here?
you were towny there and havent been here?
Like, what kind of question is that domt think youre playing similar but also why would you be you had many flips to work with that game
It's not really that though. Your read of me in that game was meta-based, since you believed my scum game was weak (and it is, due to inconsistency with my town meta). Like, I guess I can wait a day? But it's strange you're not holding me to same standard you did in a fairly recent game.
basically my opinion of you is youre easy to read based on how you handle flips. Not really gonna go further into it for obvious reasons, but basically youre pretty easy for me to read day 2 on because of the bad scumgame but i think your "d1 town play" us incredibly easy to fake
I know ive said this before its how i nailed you to the wall in the hydra game its how i knew you were town in ditf
RE was jealous I didn't join her faction? KJ and Wisp are playing against their (alt) win cons?
I think you missed some of my posts earlier. I chose your wagon over the ones on Wisp, Rhand, Highroller, and Shinichi. I had reasons for townleaning all of them (not very strongly though), and I had one tid bit of a reason to townread you. Ended up defaulting to my original read of you, coupled with some of your recent posts pinging me the wrong way.
In retrospect though, I probably should have voted Rhand. For the sake of keeping the game more active.
And I don't think Wisp is would do this as scum. But this is getting really frustrating to deal with.
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I changed my mind because when tom wasn't swayed by me saying I might join the starks I decided to join and sweeten the pot. I joined an outted faction as it was the only way to entice people to choose someone else over me (i.e. Rhand to pursue the alt win con instead of myself).
@RE the problem is everyone had a read that weak or weaker on me. No one except DV provided textual reasons, so trying to find scum on my wagon tomorrow is a bad plan. Treat it as a D1 with night actions. Once there are further flips then try to solve my wagon.
Shin is representing that hes only going for town wincon which id call objectively fake/scummy for most people but shin... lolidk
like literally the only *good* reason to ignore your other wincons is of youre scum and need people to thibk youre really towny
And even then it should be a lie i dont trust anyone thats openly game throwing
But lolshin
This entire game has just been a ***** show to me, and the whole alt win cons kinda break the integrity of the game. Town should be trying to lynch town not people of the factions that represent their extra win con. I will not be voting people because of their faction only their alignment. If you don't like it lynch me tom, but I will not vote someone off because they're the faction we need to remove for our 2nd win con.
the posts youre quoting are me saying i dont think thats scummy for you, specifically, so whats your point?
@Grape - If you are town, can you provide any info on tom having a second faction? Did you get a choice or any indication that was the case?
@RE - I'd like to hear about your thoughts on why you wanted him to join Rod? I had a different opinion.
Or else I would have joined someone random who had a theoretically easier win con than that awful one.
nothing was going to change...
at minimum there's 1 scum on your train, at max there's 2, I doubt it took 3 or more to take you done
the rest are off wagon somewhere
After what?
There is a real chance it's zero. The top wagons were all townish and no one was justifying votes. Scum would have had a field day trying to mess with expectations. And if scum were less active they may have just missed it. The wagon (literally for me) popped up overnight.
I was being entirely selfish in wanting Grape to join Rod's faction. I think you can read between the lines.
@Grape
ok ill humor the possibility of none as well
If I'd survived tonight I was 100% using the faction cop on him. Probably would have said he was factionless but confirmation would have been good. For a hail mary survive/gain a acheivable win con though he was a lower priority.
Like, what kind of question is that domt think youre playing similar but also why would you be you had many flips to work with that game
I think it's obnoxious how you called RE a neutral
Grapes claim was garbage, and then he immediately votes Rhand for the starks win-con
Tell me why I am scum, or you can do it in our faction chat
Ill wait
Last doesnt seem to be playing to any win conditions
Shin is representing that hes only going for town wincon which id call objectively fake/scummy for most people but shin... lolidk
Secondly, why did he wait till not activate his ability, at least it added some confirmation if he did it before... And he chose an outted faction
'hey guys I'm a stark now, let's kill rhand'
@shadowlancer replace me
Replace from this game
I’m out til D2.
@whoever: protect your king.
And even then it should be a lie i dont trust anyone thats openly game throwing
But lolshin
1053 is a person I'll look at now closely tomorrow.
This entire game has just been a ***** show to me, and the whole alt win cons kinda break the integrity of the game. Town should be trying to lynch town not people of the factions that represent their extra win con. I will not be voting people because of their faction only their alignment. If you don't like it lynch me tom, but I will not vote someone off because they're the faction we need to remove for our 2nd win con.
Scum would hammer in any world... regardless of grapes alignment?
RE isnt a neutral afaik?
What opinion am i shoving?
Idk about his ability...
Are you still unable to answer the question?
I know ive said this before its how i nailed you to the wall in the hydra game its how i knew you were town in ditf
In retrospect though, I probably should have voted Rhand. For the sake of keeping the game more active.
And I don't think Wisp is would do this as scum. But this is getting really frustrating to deal with.
-Cersei Lannister to Septa Unella
Grapefruit21 (10): LnGrrrR, 1053nm, Shinichi, Lastwhisper, Vaimes, D_V, KamikazeArchon, Highroller, RE1031, Killjoy
Rhand (2): tomsloger, Grapefruit21
Lastwhisper (2): Rodemy, Tubba Fett
Shinichi (2): Sir Chris, Cantripmancer
Highroller (2): Gentleman Johnny, Rhand
Not Voting (1): Hunger
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