Yeah, your read/commentary on Wisp, but I don't think it's selling enough to make you scum. The logic doesn't make sense to me, but I could just be seeing it differently. Would need a different topic to make a better assessment of you.
Well, I think if I try to explain it more it'll just come out even more convoluted, so you might as well forget it.
Wisp: I'm saying if you ruin the game for everyone else, even if you've won, then thats toxic and will likely result in multiple people calling for your probabtion/blacklisting.
Vaimes: He's being very bold. Just seems an odd entrance for scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wisp: I'm saying if you ruin the game for everyone else, even if you've won, then thats toxic and will likely result in multiple people calling for your probabtion/blacklisting.
Vaimes: He's being very bold. Just seems an odd entrance for scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If anyone.
Highroller was wondering why, if someone won, they wouldn't just out their team and say **** it because they won.
in the case of alt win-cons, winning one does not remove you from the game, so you have an obligation from the standpoint of either alignment to keep with game health, either way, the issue of game throwing isn't a problem that should be dealt with on a player level (or even something we as a player can decide on, whether something constitutes as game-throwing), rather so its an issue for the Mods of the game
Just gonna claim a faction v faction based wincon cuz I'm trying to setupgame but it's hard because i dont know the alignments of folk in my faction or identities/ alignments of the faction we're allied against but won't stop me from trying
Anyway overall I'm expecting scum to be in separate factions so rarely multiple scum in the same one...
There should be some all town factions too but yeah
If anyone.
Highroller was wondering why, if someone won, they wouldn't just out their team and say **** it because they won.
in the case of alt win-cons, winning one does not remove you from the game, so you have an obligation from the standpoint of either alignment to keep with game health, either way, the issue of game throwing isn't a problem that should be dealt with on a player level (or even something we as a player can decide on, whether something constitutes as game-throwing), rather so its an issue for the Mods of the game
I agree about that obligation. That's kinda what I'm saying. Players should keep playing the game if they've achieved their wincon because why are you playing this game if not to play it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Just gonna claim a faction v faction based wincon cuz I'm trying to setupgame but it's hard because i dont know the alignments of folk in my faction or identities/ alignments of the faction we're allied against but won't stop me from trying
Anyway overall I'm expecting scum to be in separate factions so rarely multiple scum in the same one...
There should be some all town factions too but yeah
I'd assume so too, but there might be one multiple scum faction.
Also, in the game I had that mirrors this my SK was part of the faction which facilitated the mafia day chat and the mafia would have been told that. Food for thought on that one.
@Vaimes yeah you're right. To quote Tom in a summary fashion(IE I'm to lazy to find the exact quote) "The way DV solves games leads to feels bad" So with that in mind I'm sitting it out to an extent. That's not to say I'm not looking at information. I am, but there isn't enough of it for me to feel its useful.
That being said I've got a slight town read on you. IE Vaimes, and a couple of lesser town reads on Grape and Re.
I'm currently watching Tubba, Sir Chris and Shinichi(But on the last one hes bad at reading me and I'm bad at reading him). Just to say how bad it was I literally just sheeped Last's read on Shinichi in the team game and didn't try and figure the slot out at all. I think Shinichi sheeped Osie's read on me. So LoL at that.
Ehh this is a stretch and i don't think you've played enough mafia with last to actually believe this so why in the world do you think it hold any water?
This smacks of an opportunistic mafia trying too hard. Especially since you then go on to attack LastWhisper.
@Highroller, you usually are one to claim town should mass claim. Why not this game?
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While flavor is not relevant to traditional alignment, it may be relevant to another player or house’s alternate Wincon, and revealing it may not be in your best interest. You have been warned.
The white walker comment feels like you are trying to
A: confuse everyone
B: pretend you don’t know about the scumteam
On top of that your case on LW is bad and you should feel bad for even trying to lynch that low hanging fruit.
Highroller I'm pretty sure if you start throwing the game at any point to ruin the fun for everyone else, you're getting instantly blacklisted... even if you've already won.
Uh, if the game gives you the option of two different win conditions, and you go after a win condition, that is, by definition, not throwing the game. That is the exact opposite of throwing the game. The game is mechanically disincentivizing you to work with the other team.
Hence my confusion from a game design perspective, because you haven't just created a game in which the town is disincentivized to work with each other, but the mafia team are as well. Which would create pandemonium.
I'd propose that we keep these things underwraps this way we can simply evaluate roles.
1. Case by case basis I guess, can the role confirm himself? does the mechanical claim out weigh how scummy they are?
2. Depends
3. I don't plan on saying anything even up the point of me being in L2 or L1
and that's good to hear, your last post I mean, I would love to finish a game with you... kek
I'd propose that we keep these things underwraps this way we can simply evaluate roles.
1. Case by case basis I guess, can the role confirm himself? does the mechanical claim out weigh how scummy they are?
2. Depends
3. I don't plan on saying anything even up the point of me being in L2 or L1
and that's good to hear, your last post I mean, I would love to finish a game with you... kek
You got kicked out of the last MAL game we were in. Don't look at Role PM's.
If you were a SK this game who would you kill tonight right now and why? Asking for a friend.
@highroller
are they? I'm going for my town win-con, I don't plan on going for my factional win-con at any point unless by accident... Actually, I won't say anymore because that requires me to state information on my alternate win-con
also, I'm not taking much likeness with your abrasive, smart ass behavior towards me, don't work with me, but this game will get hard if we are both town
My brother aka Shinichi is usually lynch bait, but I'm not getting those usual vibes that mafia love to jump on from him, rather quite the opposite, like the post you quoted which hints at the commentary that wolves love to employ to look like they actively care about anything that happens in the thread
but you do you, you can play ring around the rosy with the factional win-con and see where it gets you
I'd propose that we keep these things underwraps this way we can simply evaluate roles.
1. Case by case basis I guess, can the role confirm himself? does the mechanical claim out weigh how scummy they are?
2. Depends
3. I don't plan on saying anything even up the point of me being in L2 or L1
and that's good to hear, your last post I mean, I would love to finish a game with you... kek
You got kicked out of the last MAL game we were in. Don't look at Role PM's.
If you were a SK this game who would you kill tonight right now and why? Asking for a friend.
I didn't get kicked out of *****, that was Chad's fault for coming into my room knowing I was the mod of the game he was in, possible responding or reading something he shouldn't see
@HR, sure, but I didn't know if you thought that the mass claim was worth one or two people getting burned. Plus, it doesn't necessarily say bad for town only. I missed where you cited it already though; my bad.
I don’t see it, can you elaborate?
I don’t like the town clears without much to back them up but it’s meh-shrug to me.
He speaks too quickly and certainly of LW and HR not being aligned; and if he believes them unaligned, then one must be the enemy, yes? Yet he does not follow on that.
"Not knowingly aligned" is how I'd generally mean it. But that's a lot to type and has the same acronym as night kill analysis so
I use it the same way tom suggests. Town players are technically aligned with others, but they don't know it. Also KA why did you hop on my usage of unaligned and not Vaimes?
@Wisp/Shin Can one of please for the love of the seven give me an up to date break down of RE's scum meta? I realized that between DitF and her Champs game nomination (Congrats RE!) that I was working on severely out of date information.
Grape Talk to me about your reads. What's Wisp looking like to you? Also Shinichi.
So I'm going to hold onto my Rhand read for a bit to make sure it keeps developing but at this stage I feel strongly about it. I'll explain it later whether or not I still feel strongly about it.
With Vaimes he's just not someone who enjoys playing scum. And there isn't a team in this player list (Tom, Cobalt, Vaimes, x, x is the closest) that would overcome his despair at rolling scum twice in a row. Maybe he's riding high from Rod pulling the last game out and the despair hasn't set in yet, but I just don't see it. His tone is just to engaged. Unless he drops off the face of the earth I'm likely to keep this read.
Highroller doesn't feel different to me from his other game entrances. Which given he hasn't been scum since rejoining the community is a good sign. Not a firm read but it's something to work with. He just feels solvey in his process but not in his conclusions which is more contradictory than I'd like it to be.
I feel like I should have a lean on DV. I don't.
Wisp is kind of the inverse of my HR read. He doesn't seem solvely in the way I'd expect town to be, but he seems to be coming to the right answers in a way that doesn't feel TMI'y. The main red flag for me isn't the TMI potential, it's the heavily expressed frustration. Frustration is NAI, but that felt performative to me.
Shin feels like his normally contradictory enigmatic self. I'm not going to try to read him yet.
... No, the entirely unique mechanical element of this game that affects everyone and determines how they win is not important at all. Feel free to continue ignoring it. [/sarcasm]
@HR, sure, but I didn't know if you thought that the mass claim was worth one or two people getting burned. Plus, it doesn't necessarily say bad for town only. I missed where you cited it already though; my bad.
"One or two getting burned?"
What do you mean one or two? Because I've read my faction's win-cons, and if my faction's win-cons have any resemblance to the win cons of any other faction - and I have no doubt they do - declaring your faction openly will lead to a giant target painted on your back.
So now I'm even more suspicious of you, because what faction are you that you don't know this already?
I'd propose that we keep these things underwraps this way we can simply evaluate roles.
The same as usual, no? If someome's about to be lynched, they claim, and we re-evaluate if need be.
No, why would we?
Same as above, really.
I'm not sure why you're trying to dictate this discussion over scumhunting. I see little benefit in claiming our flavor. Perhaps you're attempting to flavor-fish in hopes it helps with your alt win con?
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Thanks! Likewise. I was nominated via an anonymous voting process, but I think it's pretty obviously so if you were to look at my games on my homesite that I was voted for my town game, not so much scum. My scum game's significantly weaker than my town, due to a combo of anxiety + boredom, but certain things have improved since then, like the time it takes for my anxiety to kick in (if it does). Wolfing during shorter phases appeals to me, and I'm slowly beginning to enjoy it again with the help of MU's turbos.
When I get back onto the comp, I can link a couple of more recent wolf games if need be.
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I'd propose that we keep these things underwraps this way we can simply evaluate roles.
The same as usual, no? If someome's about to be lynched, they claim, and we re-evaluate if need be.
No, why would we?
Same as above, really.
I'm not sure why you're trying to dictate this discussion over scumhunting. I see little benefit in claiming our flavor. Perhaps you're attempting to flavor-fish in hopes it helps with your alt win con?
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@Grape
Thanks! Likewise. I was nominated via an anonymous voting process, but I think it's pretty obviously so if you were to look at my games on my homesite that I was voted for my town game, not so much scum. My scum game's significantly weaker than my town, due to a combo of anxiety + boredom, but certain things have improved since then, like the time it takes for my anxiety to kick in (if it does). Wolfing during shorter phases appeals to me, and I'm slowly beginning to enjoy it again with the help of MU's turbos.
When I get back onto the comp, I can link a couple of more recent wolf games if need be.
Well that's a solid plummet for you.
Yeah that's not what I'm talking about at all.
I'm saying when people are claiming should they also claim their Faction/Names of Characters.
I'm proposing that they don't so that alternate win conditions don't have any effect.
In fact I say that in the quote you have. Its like you read my post, quit reading when you saw that you could make an attack and didn't read the entire thing.
... No, the entirely unique mechanical element of this game that affects everyone and determines how they win is not important at all. Feel free to continue ignoring it. [/sarcasm]
this is a game of mafia, the only win-cons that matter are, the town win-con, the scum win-con, and the 3p win-con (if one exists), but feel free, to strive for the less beneficial one to your main alignment, if you are town, you aren't helping town while on your current path. If you want to play to a secondary win-con so you can be like, "I AM A WINNER", then feel free to do you, but my secondary win-con isn't a win to me
I think it's too soon to jump on him for that though when others have done less.
The good ole, X is doing scummy things, but Y is also doing fewer towny things
what kind of arguement is that even? it doesnt change the fact that Shin is basically in commentary mode, and this is weird, since you shaded me for not having a decent enough meta read on you to just outright say you are town, but the meta-queen thinks this is town!shin? I refuse to believe that
I'd propose that we keep these things underwraps this way we can simply evaluate roles.
The same as usual, no? If someome's about to be lynched, they claim, and we re-evaluate if need be.
No, why would we?
Same as above, really.
I'm not sure why you're trying to dictate this discussion over scumhunting. I see little benefit in claiming our flavor. Perhaps you're attempting to flavor-fish in hopes it helps with your alt win con?
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@Grape
Thanks! Likewise. I was nominated via an anonymous voting process, but I think it's pretty obviously so if you were to look at my games on my homesite that I was voted for my town game, not so much scum. My scum game's significantly weaker than my town, due to a combo of anxiety + boredom, but certain things have improved since then, like the time it takes for my anxiety to kick in (if it does). Wolfing during shorter phases appeals to me, and I'm slowly beginning to enjoy it again with the help of MU's turbos.
When I get back onto the comp, I can link a couple of more recent wolf games if need be.
Well that's a solid plummet for you.
Yeah that's not what I'm talking about at all.
I'm saying when people are claiming should they also claim their Faction/Names of Characters.
I'm proposing that they don't so that alternate win conditions don't have any effect.
In fact I say that in the quote you have. Its like you read my post, quit reading when you saw that you could make an attack and didn't read the entire thing.
Vote RE
Contextually, that was absolutely unclear. You asked the questions in three seperate lines. They read as independent of each other.
Good to know you haven't been reading my posts either.
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I'd propose that we keep these things underwraps this way we can simply evaluate roles.
The same as usual, no? If someome's about to be lynched, they claim, and we re-evaluate if need be.
No, why would we?
Same as above, really.
I'm not sure why you're trying to dictate this discussion over scumhunting. I see little benefit in claiming our flavor. Perhaps you're attempting to flavor-fish in hopes it helps with your alt win con?
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@Grape
Thanks! Likewise. I was nominated via an anonymous voting process, but I think it's pretty obviously so if you were to look at my games on my homesite that I was voted for my town game, not so much scum. My scum game's significantly weaker than my town, due to a combo of anxiety + boredom, but certain things have improved since then, like the time it takes for my anxiety to kick in (if it does). Wolfing during shorter phases appeals to me, and I'm slowly beginning to enjoy it again with the help of MU's turbos.
When I get back onto the comp, I can link a couple of more recent wolf games if need be.
Well that's a solid plummet for you.
Yeah that's not what I'm talking about at all.
I'm saying when people are claiming should they also claim their Faction/Names of Characters.
I'm proposing that they don't so that alternate win conditions don't have any effect.
In fact I say that in the quote you have. Its like you read my post, quit reading when you saw that you could make an attack and didn't read the entire thing.
Vote RE
Contextually, that was absolutely unclear. You asked the questions in three seperate lines. They read as independent of each other.
Good to know you haven't been reading my posts either.
Contextually wise its highly clear. Context literally means to include the circumstances. The last line is context that informs the rest of the post.
When you say I have not read your posts what exactly do you mean by that? Is there something I'm missing? Or are you just trying to be a jerk with that? You clearly didn't read what I wrote. Twice. I'm unsure what you mean when you say I have not read your posts. I've read everything you've written so far. You have spoken about claiming that is true. But, that has no bearing at all on taking my own posts out of context.
I don't think anything RE has done is that far from rand, but i also wouldn't really expect them to preflips. their day 1 is pretty easy it's the stuff they do when the game changes that's harder to replicate
I think it's too soon to jump on him for that though when others have done less.
The good ole, X is doing scummy things, but Y is also doing fewer towny things
what kind of arguement is that even? it doesnt change the fact that Shin is basically in commentary mode, and this is weird, since you shaded me for not having a decent enough meta read on you to just outright say you are town, but the meta-queen thinks this is town!shin? I refuse to believe that
You haven't been reading my posts either. I said IF I were to rely on meta, this would be his town game, but also that meta's iffy. I'm not clearing him by any means.
What's there to believe? It means just because Shinichi hasn't arrived at any conclusions YET doesn't make him scum. There are others who've said less despite being around to give something. I think you're making a false equivalency between a lack of conclusive stance at this point in the game and scum.
Is what I wanted to say. I don't think Shinichi has said anything scummy on his own. Rather, once he starts pushing, which if he doesn't when enough adequate time has passed, he can be scum or deadweight town, that's when a better evaluation of him can be formed.
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Because you're one of the people who has generated strong reactions in people and I am befuddled that I don't have one. I'm not sure if that's saying somehting about those reads or something about me.
@Grape
Thanks! Likewise. I was nominated via an anonymous voting process, but I think it's pretty obviously so if you were to look at my games on my homesite that I was voted for my town game, not so much scum. My scum game's significantly weaker than my town, due to a combo of anxiety + boredom, but certain things have improved since then, like the time it takes for my anxiety to kick in (if it does). Wolfing during shorter phases appeals to me, and I'm slowly beginning to enjoy it again with the help of MU's turbos.
When I get back onto the comp, I can link a couple of more recent wolf games if need be.
Thanks RE, I don't need a specific game for now, just confirmation that you'd evolved past the lurking=scum stage. If you have one handy I'd take a look but it's not really important for now.
if I had a dollar for every time someone said my emotion was a performance...
I mean I get frustration. It happens. But it's more likely to be perceived as performance when you're contradicting yourself to make points and objecting to people making simple, logical, and easy to understand reads. I understand why DV got upset at my repeated "I'm listing DV as town but only because that's consensus, I don't see it." You flipped out at a read (that while probably incorrect) was correctly observing differences in behavior. Doesn't seem worth getting bent out of shape over.
I think it's too soon to jump on him for that though when others have done less.
The good ole, X is doing scummy things, but Y is also doing fewer towny things
what kind of arguement is that even? it doesnt change the fact that Shin is basically in commentary mode, and this is weird, since you shaded me for not having a decent enough meta read on you to just outright say you are town, but the meta-queen thinks this is town!shin? I refuse to believe that
You haven't been reading my posts either. I said IF I were to rely on meta, this would be his town game, but also that meta's iffy. I'm not clearing him by any means.
What's there to believe? It means just because Shinichi hasn't arrived at any conclusions YET doesn't make him scum. There are others who've said less despite being around to give something. I think you're making a false equivalency between a lack of conclusive stance at this point in the game and scum.
Is what I wanted to say. I don't think Shinichi has said anything scummy on his own. Rather, once he starts pushing, which if he doesn't when enough adequate time has passed, he can be scum or deadweight town, that's when a better evaluation of him can be formed.
"if you were to rely on meta he would be town", you should stop using meta then if that's the case...
so you are arguing that his alignment becomes more obvious as the game moves on? but also arguing that he could still go either way? If the game goes on, and he is not dead, he is scum... plain and simple, you cant argue that once late game comes, that his lack of conclusions points to anything but scum, never deadweight town, since by meta, shin is just as abrupt as I am when hes town
and ive read every post, whether I remember them is a whole other ball game
Grape you didn't have a problem sitting with your scum read on me in multiple other games recently despite people having very strong town reads one me. Why is this different?
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Any thoughts so far? Light town or scum pings?
Vaimes: He's being very bold. Just seems an odd entrance for scum.
Highroller was wondering why, if someone won, they wouldn't just out their team and say **** it because they won.
Not sure what I'll do tbh
Anyway overall I'm expecting scum to be in separate factions so rarely multiple scum in the same one...
There should be some all town factions too but yeah
Also, in the game I had that mirrors this my SK was part of the faction which facilitated the mafia day chat and the mafia would have been told that. Food for thought on that one.
@Vaimes yeah you're right. To quote Tom in a summary fashion(IE I'm to lazy to find the exact quote) "The way DV solves games leads to feels bad" So with that in mind I'm sitting it out to an extent. That's not to say I'm not looking at information. I am, but there isn't enough of it for me to feel its useful.
That being said I've got a slight town read on you. IE Vaimes, and a couple of lesser town reads on Grape and Re.
I'm currently watching Tubba, Sir Chris and Shinichi(But on the last one hes bad at reading me and I'm bad at reading him). Just to say how bad it was I literally just sheeped Last's read on Shinichi in the team game and didn't try and figure the slot out at all. I think Shinichi sheeped Osie's read on me. So LoL at that.
How are we handling claims?
Are people revealing factions?
Are we going to try and keep names under wrap?
I'd propose that we keep these things underwraps this way we can simply evaluate roles.
This smacks of an opportunistic mafia trying too hard. Especially since you then go on to attack LastWhisper.
Explain that contradiction.
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I've even cited this before. FOS: LnGrrrR
And just when I was wondering whether my vote would be better served elsewhere, you post something suspicious.
Why am I so keened to talk about alt win-cons? Gee, I dunno. Maybe because they're a huge ******* deal?
Was going to switch my vote to him before you made this post.
... Or I'm thinking about the game.
Uh, if the game gives you the option of two different win conditions, and you go after a win condition, that is, by definition, not throwing the game. That is the exact opposite of throwing the game. The game is mechanically disincentivizing you to work with the other team.
Hence my confusion from a game design perspective, because you haven't just created a game in which the town is disincentivized to work with each other, but the mafia team are as well. Which would create pandemonium.
1. Case by case basis I guess, can the role confirm himself? does the mechanical claim out weigh how scummy they are?
2. Depends
3. I don't plan on saying anything even up the point of me being in L2 or L1
and that's good to hear, your last post I mean, I would love to finish a game with you... kek
You got kicked out of the last MAL game we were in. Don't look at Role PM's.
If you were a SK this game who would you kill tonight right now and why? Asking for a friend.
are they? I'm going for my town win-con, I don't plan on going for my factional win-con at any point unless by accident... Actually, I won't say anymore because that requires me to state information on my alternate win-con
also, I'm not taking much likeness with your abrasive, smart ass behavior towards me, don't work with me, but this game will get hard if we are both town
My brother aka Shinichi is usually lynch bait, but I'm not getting those usual vibes that mafia love to jump on from him, rather quite the opposite, like the post you quoted which hints at the commentary that wolves love to employ to look like they actively care about anything that happens in the thread
but you do you, you can play ring around the rosy with the factional win-con and see where it gets you
if I was SK, or Mafia, or w/e with KP that was evil aligned, I would always kill Chris, if he was not aligned with me
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ill lynch you last because you're my brother if you hint me at who the other mafia are
I use it the same way tom suggests. Town players are technically aligned with others, but they don't know it. Also KA why did you hop on my usage of unaligned and not Vaimes?
@Wisp/Shin Can one of please for the love of the seven give me an up to date break down of RE's scum meta? I realized that between DitF and her Champs game nomination (Congrats RE!) that I was working on severely out of date information.
This is some classic game of thrones *****.
We really should make today Brother on Brother lynch wagons.
@Tom Lynching Shinichi is against my win con. You know the one that says "Town win at the top"
@Grape
no idea on her scum meta, I'm just as outdated as you
So I'm going to hold onto my Rhand read for a bit to make sure it keeps developing but at this stage I feel strongly about it. I'll explain it later whether or not I still feel strongly about it.
With Vaimes he's just not someone who enjoys playing scum. And there isn't a team in this player list (Tom, Cobalt, Vaimes, x, x is the closest) that would overcome his despair at rolling scum twice in a row. Maybe he's riding high from Rod pulling the last game out and the despair hasn't set in yet, but I just don't see it. His tone is just to engaged. Unless he drops off the face of the earth I'm likely to keep this read.
Highroller doesn't feel different to me from his other game entrances. Which given he hasn't been scum since rejoining the community is a good sign. Not a firm read but it's something to work with. He just feels solvey in his process but not in his conclusions which is more contradictory than I'd like it to be.
I feel like I should have a lean on DV. I don't.
Wisp is kind of the inverse of my HR read. He doesn't seem solvely in the way I'd expect town to be, but he seems to be coming to the right answers in a way that doesn't feel TMI'y. The main red flag for me isn't the TMI potential, it's the heavily expressed frustration. Frustration is NAI, but that felt performative to me.
Shin feels like his normally contradictory enigmatic self. I'm not going to try to read him yet.
"One or two getting burned?"
What do you mean one or two? Because I've read my faction's win-cons, and if my faction's win-cons have any resemblance to the win cons of any other faction - and I have no doubt they do - declaring your faction openly will lead to a giant target painted on your back.
So now I'm even more suspicious of you, because what faction are you that you don't know this already?
Not that I would have a problem voting Shin, but what prompted you to think he's mafia?
No, why would we?
Same as above, really.
I'm not sure why you're trying to dictate this discussion over scumhunting. I see little benefit in claiming our flavor. Perhaps you're attempting to flavor-fish in hopes it helps with your alt win con?
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@Grape
Thanks! Likewise. I was nominated via an anonymous voting process, but I think it's pretty obviously so if you were to look at my games on my homesite that I was voted for my town game, not so much scum. My scum game's significantly weaker than my town, due to a combo of anxiety + boredom, but certain things have improved since then, like the time it takes for my anxiety to kick in (if it does). Wolfing during shorter phases appeals to me, and I'm slowly beginning to enjoy it again with the help of MU's turbos.
When I get back onto the comp, I can link a couple of more recent wolf games if need be.
I dislike this.
Why did you feel the need to mention me at all?
Well that's a solid plummet for you.
Yeah that's not what I'm talking about at all.
I'm saying when people are claiming should they also claim their Faction/Names of Characters.
I'm proposing that they don't so that alternate win conditions don't have any effect.
In fact I say that in the quote you have. Its like you read my post, quit reading when you saw that you could make an attack and didn't read the entire thing.
Vote RE
this is a game of mafia, the only win-cons that matter are, the town win-con, the scum win-con, and the 3p win-con (if one exists), but feel free, to strive for the less beneficial one to your main alignment, if you are town, you aren't helping town while on your current path. If you want to play to a secondary win-con so you can be like, "I AM A WINNER", then feel free to do you, but my secondary win-con isn't a win to me
I also don't think he knows my scum meta.
If I recall correctly, D_V is a good Shinichi reader? Would be great if this is true.
The fact that I spoke to this less than 25 posts ago makes me think you are cherry picking.
The good ole, X is doing scummy things, but Y is also doing fewer towny things
what kind of arguement is that even? it doesnt change the fact that Shin is basically in commentary mode, and this is weird, since you shaded me for not having a decent enough meta read on you to just outright say you are town, but the meta-queen thinks this is town!shin? I refuse to believe that
Good to know you haven't been reading my posts either.
I thought she was pretty obviously scum in game, but it was based on votes and interactions with wisp not, like, some specific behavior
Contextually wise its highly clear. Context literally means to include the circumstances. The last line is context that informs the rest of the post.
When you say I have not read your posts what exactly do you mean by that? Is there something I'm missing? Or are you just trying to be a jerk with that? You clearly didn't read what I wrote. Twice. I'm unsure what you mean when you say I have not read your posts. I've read everything you've written so far. You have spoken about claiming that is true. But, that has no bearing at all on taking my own posts out of context.
RE/DV are probably never W/W after this
What's there to believe? It means just because Shinichi hasn't arrived at any conclusions YET doesn't make him scum. There are others who've said less despite being around to give something. I think you're making a false equivalency between a lack of conclusive stance at this point in the game and scum.
Is what I wanted to say. I don't think Shinichi has said anything scummy on his own. Rather, once he starts pushing, which if he doesn't when enough adequate time has passed, he can be scum or deadweight town, that's when a better evaluation of him can be formed.
Thanks RE, I don't need a specific game for now, just confirmation that you'd evolved past the lurking=scum stage. If you have one handy I'd take a look but it's not really important for now.
I mean I get frustration. It happens. But it's more likely to be perceived as performance when you're contradicting yourself to make points and objecting to people making simple, logical, and easy to understand reads. I understand why DV got upset at my repeated "I'm listing DV as town but only because that's consensus, I don't see it." You flipped out at a read (that while probably incorrect) was correctly observing differences in behavior. Doesn't seem worth getting bent out of shape over.
so you are arguing that his alignment becomes more obvious as the game moves on? but also arguing that he could still go either way? If the game goes on, and he is not dead, he is scum... plain and simple, you cant argue that once late game comes, that his lack of conclusions points to anything but scum, never deadweight town, since by meta, shin is just as abrupt as I am when hes town
and ive read every post, whether I remember them is a whole other ball game