if you believe what you said
then do mission 3.3 + urself
if it passes with a majority of votes, then you are scum, if not
if the votes are divided than you are probably town and rhand is the only scum on the team, with shadow being the other scum
Given what happened with Rhand, Wisp, is not wisp unless this fails then it's 100% wisp. So if we just don't send Lngrrr and Rhand, we win?
... no because I am not an informant. So I don't think that holds.
Also, I find it weird you have Wisp in two of your choices, and yet say it is me. Even though Rhand just got dummied, and VOTED PASS. And LW supposedly dummied Rhand who voted fail. Given that informants had to fail last mission, why do you trust LW at this point?
Why are you so quick to take Shadow's word that he really dummied Rhand?
if you believe what you said
then do mission 3.3 + urself
if it passes with a majority of votes, then you are scum, if not
if the votes are divided than you are probably town and rhand is the only scum on the team, with shadow being the other scum
If this mission fails, we have to send all four town and successfully dummy the scum. A test that (maybe) identifies whether Riku is town or scum after the mission is accepted or rejected doesn't fill me with warm fuzzies. Plus, if both you and Shadow are telling the truth, then there are definitely at least two scum on that team (Rhand failing Mission 2 and ??? failing Mission 3). I'm not sure I trust Riku to dummy Rhand.
That said, as before, the only real improvements I can think of would be a) exclusion of Rhand altogether, and/or b) inclusion of me. That gives me a strong start of town with you and me, and then we only need one more town and a successfully dummied informant. I still think LnG is more likely town than scum. So send Wisp/Lng/Cantrip/Riku and one of KJ/Shadow, and let Riku dummy who he wants. If there's two fails, I think it's likely that Riku is scum. And if only one fail (or none), we win.
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@KJ
if you trust me, you will accept this mission that Riku has proposed
I know outside gut I haven't really given many reasons for my reads, and I know you aren't on this mission @Shadow, I would probably feel better if you were, but I trust Riku, I am sure there are only two scum on this mission, and I am sure that without you and killjoy this mission will certainly not go through
or we can fail up until I get picked again if that somehow makes you feel better
but if cantrip or LnG are the leaders this will mission will surely fail if it passes, which means we have to win this on mission 5
Why do I trust killjoy, why do i trust Riku? I cant really give you an answer, except that they have given me more that I actually believe, over Grr or Cantrip
So... Riku proposes a mission without Shadow and all of a sudden LW trusts Riku and doubts Shadow.
Those 3 are the team.
I’m obviousy not accepting a mission with both Riku and LW on it with one of them in the lead.
So... Riku proposes a mission without Shadow and all of a sudden LW trusts Riku and doubts Shadow.
Those 3 are the team.
I’m obviousy not accepting a mission with both Riku and LW on it with one of them in the lead.
where am I doubting shadow?
I think shadow is still town...
dont put words in my mouth
@Shadow
if I lose this game because of either you or Riku, blood will be spilled in words... I can promise you that
@Last: I trust you, but I’m never voting for a mission I know will fail. There is one between KJ and lng, and one between Ruma and Cantrip, this mission will fail.
Also, what are you trusting Ruma for exactly? I don’t trust you to read him better than I can honestly.
@Last: I trust you, but I’m never voting for a mission I know will fail. There is one between KJ and lng, and one between Ruma and Cantrip, this mission will fail.
Also, what are you trusting Ruma for exactly? I don’t trust you to read him better than I can honestly.
maybe you should then
and thats fine, if we fail this mission, I am failing every mission till its my turn to pick again
how do you expect Riku to think you are town with him with the way you a treating him
and I am not condoning the way he plays, I am just trying to win this game
maybe I just play differently, since I place a lot of things on gut, and its hard to convey my feeling into actual reads that people can follow, which I guess makes me a failure
I ask you to go through both your groupings, grr/kj, and cantrip/riku, and tell what you find
Cantrip/Riku might be hard, but if you compare both grr and killjoy, its clear as day who has the higher chance of being wolf
honestly I am interested enough in the teams that Cantrip and Grr will propose which along with you having a high chance of being town, i'll fail this proposal, not because I do not like Riku but because I need more information
@Last: I trust you, but I’m never voting for a mission I know will fail. There is one between KJ and lng, and one between Ruma and Cantrip, this mission will fail.
Also, what are you trusting Ruma for exactly? I don’t trust you to read him better than I can honestly.
maybe you should then
and thats fine, if we fail this mission, I am failing every mission till its my turn to pick again
I’ve only called him scum incorrectly once, and it wasn’t even a game I was playing in, spectating.
Why exactly? What would you be proposing that you don’t trust anyone else to do?
@Last: I trust you, but I’m never voting for a mission I know will fail. There is one between KJ and lng, and one between Ruma and Cantrip, this mission will fail.
Also, what are you trusting Ruma for exactly? I don’t trust you to read him better than I can honestly.
maybe you should then
and thats fine, if we fail this mission, I am failing every mission till its my turn to pick again
I’ve only called him scum incorrectly once, and it wasn’t even a game I was playing in, spectating.
Why exactly? What would you be proposing that you don’t trust anyone else to do?
I dont trust Cantrip and Grr as far as I can throw them at this point, and I am a very very weak man
how do you expect Riku to think you are town with him with the way you a treating him
and I am not condoning the way he plays, I am just trying to win this game
O.o I’ve literally tried to draw him out and get thoughts from him, and here we are at quest 4 and he’s doing actually nothing. So no, I don’t care if he doesn’t like how I’m calling him out, but saying “he can’t read you correctly cause you’re being mean” is wrong, because I’m not, and he’s not actually showing any indication that he’s town. I asked straightforward questions, and he literally said “nah bro”. If he’s town, then I’m going to have to figure it out in quest 5, because I will vote against any quest with him in it after this crap he’s pulling.
if you cant get a read from Riku's post then the only option is to read off the missions at this point
I do get a read off of him, and it’s scum. I’m annoyed that I’m being called out by him (and sort of you) for being correct. Like, literally could he answer a question? No, he couldn’t, or didn’t anyway. So yeah, no offense but your gut isn’t gonna do it for me.
Thing is, Shadow, the things you are saying you'd say as scum.
Oooohhhh, scaaary. You've got my alignment right a lot of times. Guess what, it doesn't apply to this game. Can you guess what reasons those are?
Oh wait, it's resistance not mafia. A different style with different gameplay.
Why don't you do the rest a favour and tell them all the reason you always claim when you scum read me, huh? Why don't you share to them the magical reason you share everytime? Why not? It's not like it's a BS reason that as scum you wouldn't admit to using it?
Oh wait, it's always activity. The reason you didn't share that reason this time? You're scum.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
You asked why I scumread you? That's why. Your complete lack of integrity.
The rest of the team? Was from a mechanical viewpoint which I explained in that 'wall of text' that you dismissed as a wall of text. Oh yay, mechanic analysis in a game which is reliant on mechanical analysis.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
(It’s not just activity, that’s certainly a great starting point. And these are things I’d say regardless of alignment, because I play the same as both alignments. So yeah, I’d probably say similar things as scum, though I’m not sure I would be this annoyed. Maybe? Either way, care to answer any of my questions about your reads or your motivations for doing anything?)
My motivations are trying to win.
Now, I'm an idiot, yes. That doesn't mean my actions are scummy. Just dumb.
Claiming that 'I didn't do any analysis' simply antagonises me, and tries to diminish the value anything I have to say in the eyes of others. Classic scum tactic. And you did this the entire time. If you don't see why your actions have made it hard for me to share any thoughts I have, it's a problem, and makes you either scum, or failing to understand the damage you were doing. There is a reason that people get pissed off with people shading.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
You asked why I scumread you? That's why. Your complete lack of integrity.
Excuse me? My lack of integrity!? Bull fricking crap dude. You do not get to sit there, regardless of your alignment and say I lack integrity based on literally nothing.
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The rest of the team? Was from a mechanical viewpoint which I explained in that 'wall of text' that you dismissed as a wall of text. Oh yay, mechanic analysis in a game which is reliant on mechanical analysis.
It was a wall of text that was all public info. You listed what happened, listed out info, and did nothing with it. That’s not analysis.
I don't see how many times I need to admit I'm an idiot before you realise that I did share what I got out of it, and I just don't have the ability to share giant paragraphs.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
My motivations are trying to win.
Now, I'm an idiot, yes. That doesn't mean my actions are scummy. Just dumb.
Claiming that 'I didn't do any analysis' simply antagonises me, and tries to diminish the value anything I have to say in the eyes of others. Classic scum tactic. And you did this the entire time. If you don't see why your actions have made it hard for me to share any thoughts I have, it's a problem, and makes you either scum, or failing to understand the damage you were doing. There is a reason that people get pissed off with people shading.
This is a game about finding liars; if you feel antagonized over me falling you out, that’s not my problem. And faking it is not good either. I’m not here to diminish the value of what you say, my goal is to show the exact value for everyone else to see.
Who exactly is getting ticked off? You? It’s a game.
My motivations are trying to win.
Now, I'm an idiot, yes. That doesn't mean my actions are scummy. Just dumb.
Claiming that 'I didn't do any analysis' simply antagonises me, and tries to diminish the value anything I have to say in the eyes of others. Classic scum tactic. And you did this the entire time. If you don't see why your actions have made it hard for me to share any thoughts I have, it's a problem, and makes you either scum, or failing to understand the damage you were doing. There is a reason that people get pissed off with people shading.
This is a game about finding liars; if you feel antagonized over me falling you out, that’s not my problem. And faking it is not good either. I’m not here to diminish the value of what you say, my goal is to show the exact value for everyone else to see.
Who exactly is getting ticked off? You? It’s a game.
? I don't feel antagonised. I feel like you're not actually reading what I say, and are slandering me.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Would you care to go into the detail of your reads before quest three ran, why you made a couple “woe is me” posts, why you still voted yes to that mission, and how the quest impacted your thoughts?
Would you care to go into the detail of your reads before quest three ran, why you made a couple “woe is me” posts, why you still voted yes to that mission, and how the quest impacted your thoughts?
Because.
Of.
You.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
My motivations are trying to win.
Now, I'm an idiot, yes. That doesn't mean my actions are scummy. Just dumb. Claiming that 'I didn't do any analysis' simply antagonises me, and tries to diminish the value anything I have to say in the eyes of others. Classic scum tactic. And you did this the entire time. If you don't see why your actions have made it hard for me to share any thoughts I have, it's a problem, and makes you either scum, or failing to understand the damage you were doing. There is a reason that people get pissed off with people shading.
This is a game about finding liars; if you feel antagonized over me falling you out, that’s not my problem. And faking it is not good either. I’m not here to diminish the value of what you say, my goal is to show the exact value for everyone else to see.
Who exactly is getting ticked off? You? It’s a game.
? I don't feel antagonised. I feel like you're not actually reading what I say, and are slandering me.
Its literally in the post nested in this quote dude.
Would you care to go into the detail of your reads before quest three ran, why you made a couple “woe is me” posts, why you still voted yes to that mission, and how the quest impacted your thoughts?
Because.
Of.
You.
So if you think I’m scum, how exactly does anything I say cause you to give up hope? This thought process does not track.
My motivations are trying to win.
Now, I'm an idiot, yes. That doesn't mean my actions are scummy. Just dumb. Claiming that 'I didn't do any analysis' simply antagonises me, and tries to diminish the value anything I have to say in the eyes of others. Classic scum tactic. And you did this the entire time. If you don't see why your actions have made it hard for me to share any thoughts I have, it's a problem, and makes you either scum, or failing to understand the damage you were doing. There is a reason that people get pissed off with people shading.
This is a game about finding liars; if you feel antagonized over me falling you out, that’s not my problem. And faking it is not good either. I’m not here to diminish the value of what you say, my goal is to show the exact value for everyone else to see.
Who exactly is getting ticked off? You? It’s a game.
? I don't feel antagonised. I feel like you're not actually reading what I say, and are slandering me.
Its literally in the post nested in this quote dude.
Have you ever actually read the definitions of the word?
"to make hostile or unfriendly; make an enemy or antagonist of:
His speech antagonized many voters.
to act in opposition to; oppose."
I might not feel antagonised, but it does antagonise me. Semantics, I know. But important. I personally am unaffected. I am trying to make sure people who read the post understand why I am saying you are scum in my opinion.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
you know whats fun, having to read you off your emotional behavior rather than your analysis
I agree with shadow
answer his question
then do mission 3.3 + urself
if it passes with a majority of votes, then you are scum, if not
if the votes are divided than you are probably town and rhand is the only scum on the team, with shadow being the other scum
If I wasn't confident in the theory, I wouldn't have posted it.
Why are you so quick to take Shadow's word that he really dummied Rhand?
Ok, so now you're questioning things.
I really felt like you were going somewhere with your analysis, but then you listed Mission 3 as "Rhand, LnGrrrR, KJ, Cantrip"...wut?
If this mission fails, we have to send all four town and successfully dummy the scum. A test that (maybe) identifies whether Riku is town or scum after the mission is accepted or rejected doesn't fill me with warm fuzzies. Plus, if both you and Shadow are telling the truth, then there are definitely at least two scum on that team (Rhand failing Mission 2 and ??? failing Mission 3). I'm not sure I trust Riku to dummy Rhand.
That said, as before, the only real improvements I can think of would be a) exclusion of Rhand altogether, and/or b) inclusion of me. That gives me a strong start of town with you and me, and then we only need one more town and a successfully dummied informant. I still think LnG is more likely town than scum. So send Wisp/Lng/Cantrip/Riku and one of KJ/Shadow, and let Riku dummy who he wants. If there's two fails, I think it's likely that Riku is scum. And if only one fail (or none), we win.
I want to know what you all feel about Shadow...
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@KJ
if you trust me, you will accept this mission that Riku has proposed
I know outside gut I haven't really given many reasons for my reads, and I know you aren't on this mission @Shadow, I would probably feel better if you were, but I trust Riku, I am sure there are only two scum on this mission, and I am sure that without you and killjoy this mission will certainly not go through
4.1: Riku, Killjoy, Lngrrr, Cantrip and Wisp
Please vote by PM.
You have 24 hours to vote.
Just because I suck at the game, doesn't mean I didn't do it. This is your scum attitude and you know it.
Those 3 are the team.
I’m obviousy not accepting a mission with both Riku and LW on it with one of them in the lead.
where am I doubting shadow?
I think shadow is still town...
dont put words in my mouth
@Shadow
if I lose this game because of either you or Riku, blood will be spilled in words... I can promise you that
Huh?
I will not respond more on the matter till I get my answers
Also, what are you trusting Ruma for exactly? I don’t trust you to read him better than I can honestly.
and thats fine, if we fail this mission, I am failing every mission till its my turn to pick again
and I am not condoning the way he plays, I am just trying to win this game
I ask you to go through both your groupings, grr/kj, and cantrip/riku, and tell what you find
Cantrip/Riku might be hard, but if you compare both grr and killjoy, its clear as day who has the higher chance of being wolf
Why exactly? What would you be proposing that you don’t trust anyone else to do?
also this mission wont fail, because its not going to even get approved
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Oooohhhh, scaaary. You've got my alignment right a lot of times. Guess what, it doesn't apply to this game. Can you guess what reasons those are?
Oh wait, it's resistance not mafia. A different style with different gameplay.
Why don't you do the rest a favour and tell them all the reason you always claim when you scum read me, huh? Why don't you share to them the magical reason you share everytime? Why not? It's not like it's a BS reason that as scum you wouldn't admit to using it?
Oh wait, it's always activity. The reason you didn't share that reason this time? You're scum.
The rest of the team? Was from a mechanical viewpoint which I explained in that 'wall of text' that you dismissed as a wall of text. Oh yay, mechanic analysis in a game which is reliant on mechanical analysis.
Now, I'm an idiot, yes. That doesn't mean my actions are scummy. Just dumb.
Claiming that 'I didn't do any analysis' simply antagonises me, and tries to diminish the value anything I have to say in the eyes of others. Classic scum tactic. And you did this the entire time. If you don't see why your actions have made it hard for me to share any thoughts I have, it's a problem, and makes you either scum, or failing to understand the damage you were doing. There is a reason that people get pissed off with people shading.
Who exactly is getting ticked off? You? It’s a game.
? I don't feel antagonised. I feel like you're not actually reading what I say, and are slandering me.
Would you care to go into the detail of your reads before quest three ran, why you made a couple “woe is me” posts, why you still voted yes to that mission, and how the quest impacted your thoughts?
Because.
Of.
You.
Have you ever actually read the definitions of the word?
"to make hostile or unfriendly; make an enemy or antagonist of:
His speech antagonized many voters.
to act in opposition to; oppose."
I might not feel antagonised, but it does antagonise me. Semantics, I know. But important. I personally am unaffected. I am trying to make sure people who read the post understand why I am saying you are scum in my opinion.