KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@KJ: walk me through your suspicion of Last here. He dummy’s Rhand, then votes pass and claims a fail on Rhand because...?
In the short term, to get past Rhand's mission lead. He was next.
In the long term, it creates trust for wisp because obviously he's passed all his missions and no one can disprove his claim about Rhand so this dichotomy isn't a huge risk. Especially if he pushes the same mission. If he plans to fail my mission, then the next two (if I'm right) will be proposed by spies. There's a decent chance he wins if that's the case.
The behavioral reason I'm suspicious is because he's harping on Scott how I changed the mission after saying he liked the post where I proposed the two I was considering, neither of which was the one he wanted.
I think his long short term goal is to get control over the mission that requires two fails. They can't win without that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Last: I don't understand what you're doing. You proposed mission 2.1 (LnGrrrR, Rhand, KJ, and Wisp). It passed, and you said you dummied Rhand, who voted fail. Rhand was up next, proposal (Rhand, LnGrrrR, KJ, Cantrip) didn't get passed (a good thing if Rhand is an informant). Then KJ proposes mission 2.1 without the guy you said was an informantANDindicating he will likely dummy the new guy (Riku). So this is EXACTLY the same mission proposal, but without the guy YOU said was scum. How is KJ's proposal bad???
Like...if you're telling the truth, then how is it not better to test someone else instead of sending Rhand again? If you, LnG, and KJ are all town, the mission passes and we win. If the mission fails, then then (unless KJ's scum), we learn something about Riku (tempered by the knowledge that it's filtered through possible-scum!KJ). I just...don't understand why you think sending a known informant (according to YOU) on another mission, even with the intent to dummy him.
Sorry...last line should be "...don't understand why you think sending a known informant (according to YOU) on another mission is a good thing, even with the intent to dummy him."
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@KJ: how is it ever easier for him to plan to fail mission 4, vs failing 2 and having the easier path to victory? Especially since I was probably his biggest doubted and had mostly come around on him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If scum only every did the easiest thing they'd always get caught.
@Shadow: Why is wisp acting the way he is with regards to my mission? It doesn't make sense for town to say you like my post then shade me for not proposing another (viable) mission.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Alright, at some point today I’m gonna do a skim/reread just to make sure I’m not crazy, but last being anything but town and Rhand being anything but scum would be utterly shocking to me.
I do not have time to go back and forth with you right now, half the ***** I responded with, was while I was at work and skimming rapidly, I liked the post, but clearly said I disagreed with it, so please just leave me alone, I'm just going to close this tab, till the next mission
Tell me to my face that you aren't just arguing with me, cause you think I am scum, cause at this point it's literally just opinions vs opinions, I've explained a hundred times why I want this, and you are nitpicking at one pre-emptive post, that I'm known for making and using it to create a narrative
@shadow
Like tell me I'm not crazy, if we do the same mission again, we either win or confirm there's another scum here, and it makes everything easier going forward
Alright, at some point today I’m gonna do a skim/reread just to make sure I’m not crazy, but last being anything but town and Rhand being anything but scum would be utterly shocking to me.
Alright, at some point today I’m gonna do a skim/reread just to make sure I’m not crazy, but last being anything but town and Rhand being anything but scum would be utterly shocking to me.
So you simply changed your whole worldview on mechanics?
I don’t buy that.
It’s you/LW/?, ? probably being Riku.
Tell me to my face that you aren't just arguing with me, cause you think I am scum, cause at this point it's literally just opinions vs opinions, I've explained a hundred times why I want this, and you are nitpicking at one pre-emptive post, that I'm known for making and using it to create a narrative
I've said that what you said would have been a viable mission. But you keep saying that, because I didn't propose a mission that was not one of the two missions I was gonna propose that I'm scum. That's my issue here
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Im saying you are scum, because you didnt propose the same mission again
Let me write this out for you, from my POV, Rhand is lock scum, and am the world's most obvious town
so now we have two unknowns on this mission
If you are a wolf, and you keep rhand, then you have to fail, so that confirms you and Rhand are wolves together... Seriously all you had to do was propose the same mission if you were town, now I am so god damn confused
If we remove Rhand, and switch him with riku, we are back to having 3 unknowns, and now if the mission fails, I gotta think, hmm... is KJ scum or Riku scum, cause as it stands I dont think its Grr, but if you had done the previous mission again, we have two unknowns, you and Grr, and if it failed I would always think you were scum in every world...
I AM NOT LOSING THIS GAME BECAUSE OF YOU, SO EITHER STEP UP OR GET OUT OF MY WAY, there is almost no way I think you are town now, never in a 100 years, so the game is pretty much already over if you are town from my perspective if we make it to mission 5
LW spent a lot of time saying how KJ was scum before his mission, then supposedly sends me on a dummy instead of his scumread and now calls KJ scum again.
This is painfully obvious. Although I guess it’s easy to say that from my position :/
@Rhand: This is literally a game about mechanics, so yes
@Killjoy: 99% a world with Rhand scum and probably including you around 70% of the time (based on your treatment of me after that mission and your weirdness regarding Last).
The other world is last doing some crazy FPS as scum.
If you decide to stop playing the game last and just resign me to scum then if you're town, the loss is on you not me. I'm actively trying to figure people out. Resigning people to one alignment is how you lose this game.
I've told you why I wasn't choosing Rhand to go in that mission. If you wanna say I'm scum for putting my thoughts in the thread and you just ignoring them that's up to you.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Do you think there is a 2nd scum in the mission 2.2? if not, explain to me, wtf is the point of this nonsense, it only hinders my opinion of you...
We are doing mission 2.2 again, if any mission passes going forward (that is not that), remember that it was decided by scum majority and not town majority
dont have the time or patient to care about this game anymore...
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@LW, let's say KJ is scum here. From your perspective:
If Riku is scum, KJ has to dummy him so they don't crossfire. If he says he dummied someone else, he loses credibility.
If Riku is town... he still dummies Riku, and if there's a fail, then KJ is probably completely untrusted moving forwards anyways.
I don't think scum!KJ gets as much out of this as you think.
(There are theoretical worlds where you are scum, and vote fail, but then you're "burned" to both Rhand and KJ and will pretty much never get voted on a mission.)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
As much as it goes completely against my entire idea of how this game should be played, I’m tempted to literally send Last, KJ, Lng, Rhand and just dummy Rhand.
Also thinking last, KJ, lng, me and not saying who I’m gonna dummy. I don’t particularly trust Ruma and I’m having oscillating feelings regarding Cantrip, so I’d really like to get something approvable here so we get something good to go through.
As much as it goes completely against my entire idea of how this game should be played, I’m tempted to literally send Last, KJ, Lng, Rhand and just dummy Rhand.
Also thinking last, KJ, lng, me and not saying who I’m gonna dummy. I don’t particularly trust Ruma and I’m having oscillating feelings regarding Cantrip, so I’d really like to get something approvable here so we get something good to go through.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
As much as it goes completely against my entire idea of how this game should be played, I’m tempted to literally send Last, KJ, Lng, Rhand and just dummy Rhand.
Also thinking last, KJ, lng, me and not saying who I’m gonna dummy. I don’t particularly trust Ruma and I’m having oscillating feelings regarding Cantrip, so I’d really like to get something approvable here so we get something good to go through.
Why does the first team go against your idea of how this should be played?
The first one I think I will accept because it should prove my case. It will fail but gives the info that will help us forward.
The second I'm not sure. In my worldview it will fail too, but with Shadow as the leader, he can dummy LW and make sure there's exactly one fail, and LW wouldn't be proven scum.
@Cantrip: if we would keep denying missions until it's your turn, what would you propose?
As much as it goes completely against my entire idea of how this game should be played, I’m tempted to literally send Last, KJ, Lng, Rhand and just dummy Rhand.
This is appealing, but the question would be whether I can trust you to actually dummy Rhand. Especially with KJ's rejected mission in mind, this feels like the team to send, which means that the only more sure thing than allowing you or Riku to send that team would be to hold out until I propose the same team in 3.5, and then I can be sure that Rhand gets dummied.
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Also thinking last, KJ, lng, me and not saying who I’m gonna dummy. I don’t particularly trust Ruma and I’m having oscillating feelings regarding Cantrip, so I’d really like to get something approvable here so we get something good to go through.
That feels like starting over when we already have a base team that's passed two missions. I don't think a team that doesn't include Last+KJ+LnG is ideal, and we just proved that Last+KJ+LnG+AnyoneButRhand is contentious.
@Cantrip: if we would keep denying missions until it's your turn, what would you propose?
See above, but really, I can't answer this before I see what 3.3 is/results of that, and after that, possibly not until I see what 3.4's proposal (or a floated hypothetical from Riku) is.
@Riku: Is 494 your hypothetical mission proposal if Shadow's gets rejected and it comes to you?
@KJ: You keep harping on Wisp not saying anything when you pre-proposed your team, but I went and looked at that series of posts. You made 386, which Wisp said he really liked (but then said in 391 that he liked it but didn't necessarily agree with it), but 386 didn't have that proposed team. 402 you floated the idea of you, LnG, Wisp, and Riku, 3.1 was announced as rejected in 405, you reiterated your plan in 406, swapped me in for Riku in 409, then proposed the mission in 416. Wisp didn't post at all between 402 and when you made the official proposal in 416. So why are you finding him suspicious for not questioning your floated proposal when he didn't even have a chance to before you officially proposed it?
@Rhand: In the interest of not just completely ignoring you, it goes against my nature because this game allows me to put myself on the mission, so not doing that when it guarantees 1 pass is awkward.
@Ruma: I literally don’t have any good feelings from your posts. And because this game plays differently than mafia (as you’ve said) I don’t trust that at all. Sure, you don’t have anything glaryingly bad, but I’m not going to sit on that and call it good.
@cantrip: I could quite literally say the same thing to you. I think if you are town, we need to get there on each other like now.
Why did you not raise some sort of objection to the post where I suggested it?
In the long term, it creates trust for wisp because obviously he's passed all his missions and no one can disprove his claim about Rhand so this dichotomy isn't a huge risk. Especially if he pushes the same mission. If he plans to fail my mission, then the next two (if I'm right) will be proposed by spies. There's a decent chance he wins if that's the case.
The behavioral reason I'm suspicious is because he's harping on Scott how I changed the mission after saying he liked the post where I proposed the two I was considering, neither of which was the one he wanted.
I think his long short term goal is to get control over the mission that requires two fails. They can't win without that.
This is ridiculous.
@Last: I don't understand what you're doing. You proposed mission 2.1 (LnGrrrR, Rhand, KJ, and Wisp). It passed, and you said you dummied Rhand, who voted fail. Rhand was up next, proposal (Rhand, LnGrrrR, KJ, Cantrip) didn't get passed (a good thing if Rhand is an informant). Then KJ proposes mission 2.1 without the guy you said was an informant AND indicating he will likely dummy the new guy (Riku). So this is EXACTLY the same mission proposal, but without the guy YOU said was scum. How is KJ's proposal bad???
Like...if you're telling the truth, then how is it not better to test someone else instead of sending Rhand again? If you, LnG, and KJ are all town, the mission passes and we win. If the mission fails, then then (unless KJ's scum), we learn something about Riku (tempered by the knowledge that it's filtered through possible-scum!KJ). I just...don't understand why you think sending a known informant (according to YOU) on another mission, even with the intent to dummy him.
Jesus it's not rocket science, Idk why everyone is looking at me like I have 2 heads
If he thought that, then he should have given some input about that instead of saying he liked my idea then shading me for implementing it.
@Shadow: Why is wisp acting the way he is with regards to my mission? It doesn't make sense for town to say you like my post then shade me for not proposing another (viable) mission.
Like tell me I'm not crazy, if we do the same mission again, we either win or confirm there's another scum here, and it makes everything easier going forward
So you simply changed your whole worldview on mechanics?
I don’t buy that.
It’s you/LW/?, ? probably being Riku.
Let me write this out for you, from my POV, Rhand is lock scum, and am the world's most obvious town
so now we have two unknowns on this mission
If you are a wolf, and you keep rhand, then you have to fail, so that confirms you and Rhand are wolves together... Seriously all you had to do was propose the same mission if you were town, now I am so god damn confused
If we remove Rhand, and switch him with riku, we are back to having 3 unknowns, and now if the mission fails, I gotta think, hmm... is KJ scum or Riku scum, cause as it stands I dont think its Grr, but if you had done the previous mission again, we have two unknowns, you and Grr, and if it failed I would always think you were scum in every world...
I AM NOT LOSING THIS GAME BECAUSE OF YOU, SO EITHER STEP UP OR GET OUT OF MY WAY, there is almost no way I think you are town now, never in a 100 years, so the game is pretty much already over if you are town from my perspective if we make it to mission 5
This is painfully obvious. Although I guess it’s easy to say that from my position :/
@Killjoy: 99% a world with Rhand scum and probably including you around 70% of the time (based on your treatment of me after that mission and your weirdness regarding Last).
The other world is last doing some crazy FPS as scum.
I've told you why I wasn't choosing Rhand to go in that mission. If you wanna say I'm scum for putting my thoughts in the thread and you just ignoring them that's up to you.
fine this game is over then, since you cant seem to understand where I am coming from
We are doing mission 2.2 again, if any mission passes going forward (that is not that), remember that it was decided by scum majority and not town majority
dont have the time or patient to care about this game anymore...
I still think there's probably a scum on this mission. It basically is almost always Riku in that case
If Riku is scum, KJ has to dummy him so they don't crossfire. If he says he dummied someone else, he loses credibility.
If Riku is town... he still dummies Riku, and if there's a fail, then KJ is probably completely untrusted moving forwards anyways.
I don't think scum!KJ gets as much out of this as you think.
(There are theoretical worlds where you are scum, and vote fail, but then you're "burned" to both Rhand and KJ and will pretty much never get voted on a mission.)
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
3.2: KJ, LnGrrrR, Wisp, Riku
Yes (2): Cantrip, LnG
No (5): KJ, Rhand, Riku, Shadow, Wisp
It is now Shadow's turn to propose.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
why the hell did you disprove your own mission....
I literally dont get you
Also thinking last, KJ, lng, me and not saying who I’m gonna dummy. I don’t particularly trust Ruma and I’m having oscillating feelings regarding Cantrip, so I’d really like to get something approvable here so we get something good to go through.
What, from you're unbroken record of telling my alignment (/s), makes you think I am untrustworthy.
Also sorry for my snippyness.
Why does the first team go against your idea of how this should be played?
The first one I think I will accept because it should prove my case. It will fail but gives the info that will help us forward.
The second I'm not sure. In my worldview it will fail too, but with Shadow as the leader, he can dummy LW and make sure there's exactly one fail, and LW wouldn't be proven scum.
@Cantrip: if we would keep denying missions until it's your turn, what would you propose?
That feels like starting over when we already have a base team that's passed two missions. I don't think a team that doesn't include Last+KJ+LnG is ideal, and we just proved that Last+KJ+LnG+AnyoneButRhand is contentious.
See above, but really, I can't answer this before I see what 3.3 is/results of that, and after that, possibly not until I see what 3.4's proposal (or a floated hypothetical from Riku) is.
@Riku: Is 494 your hypothetical mission proposal if Shadow's gets rejected and it comes to you?
@KJ: You keep harping on Wisp not saying anything when you pre-proposed your team, but I went and looked at that series of posts. You made 386, which Wisp said he really liked (but then said in 391 that he liked it but didn't necessarily agree with it), but 386 didn't have that proposed team. 402 you floated the idea of you, LnG, Wisp, and Riku, 3.1 was announced as rejected in 405, you reiterated your plan in 406, swapped me in for Riku in 409, then proposed the mission in 416. Wisp didn't post at all between 402 and when you made the official proposal in 416. So why are you finding him suspicious for not questioning your floated proposal when he didn't even have a chance to before you officially proposed it?
@Ruma: I literally don’t have any good feelings from your posts. And because this game plays differently than mafia (as you’ve said) I don’t trust that at all. Sure, you don’t have anything glaryingly bad, but I’m not going to sit on that and call it good.
@cantrip: I could quite literally say the same thing to you. I think if you are town, we need to get there on each other like now.
Ugh, let’s do this then.
Propose KJ, Lng, Last, Rhand
You have 24 hours. Please vote by PM.
im trusting you...