I definitely got more of the vibes of keeping his options open to lynch anyone; the Unvote after his vote just feeling sort of unsure how to proceed/knowing you’re not getting lynched today.
Kevin James' character in King of Queens, Doug Heffernan, makes appearances in three other '90's sitcoms. Which three?
Yes, yes, and...yes. How is it that Becker ran for six seasons and stars Ted Danson and I've never even heard of it???
Not fresh, not improved, and not Barr-ed.
Gah, quit with the vampires already!
Ffffffffffffffff....nope!
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Not Voting (3): Bur, Highroller, shadowlancerx
With 5 alive; it takes 3 to lynch.
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(It does though, if we double lynch today and get it wrong, game is over. I mean, it’s probable that we lynch vez/highroller anyway, but there are some corner cases where going to tomorrow is still better if we miss today)
We could double lynch today too cantrip so I don't think that solves the problem.
One of these players is dangerously close to getting himself a modkill for being an obnoxious smarty-pants; which one is it?
No.
Nope.
Not this one, either.
Just kidding; it's D_V.
Rest assured that any attempts to end the game in a way that doesn't involve an equitable chance for either team will be frustrated with extreme prejudice.
Just read DV’s iso. Half of it makes me think I’m just being pocketed, the other half makes me swear I’m reading him correctly town. And the pocketing could be town pocketing anyway.
And really, if he’s not town, he’s played well enough that I’m willing to take the risk here.
Let there be great mourning throughout the land, as King Bur, aka King Suleiman, aka the Burger King, aka King Penguin was assassinated last night in his royal bedchambers! The perpetrator is still at large, but eyewitnesses describe him as being, *quote* a king something of some sort *end quote*. The local squire has reached out to all peasantry of the land asking those with information to come forward so as to hasten the apprehension of said perp.
In other news, the king is dead, long live King Shadow!
(shadowlancerx is now confirmed town; however, in a terrible twist of Murphonic irony, he still doesn't get two votes because there are only three players left in the game.)
It's now Day 3. With 3 alive, it takes 2 votes to lynch!
So shadow, how do you think we should do this? I'll try to reread DV to see if I can find anything that might make it obvious he is scum, but I doubt that I will find anything so clear cut. DV played well all game. It's just that the accidental hammer was probably not accidental.
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Shadow I hope you realise I'm not masochistic and I would've shot you with no regrets and let Bur figure us out. Shooting Bur is the worst way I could go about it.
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Shadow I hope you realise I'm not masochistic and I would've shot you with no regrets and let Bur figure us out. Shooting Bur is the worst way I could go about it.
Yeah me too Shadow
Its crazy but if I had to point to one thing it be Bur's Iso(IE the only reads he has shared). That plus so much WIFOM on WIFOM and I think its an awesome play by vezok at the very least.
FYPOV he had to pick either you or me anyway.
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Alright, couple of things, I’ve already go so much wine in front of me that I might as well get some more. Will both of you do the following:
-find me 1 or 2 specific posts you’ve made that you don’t think you ever make as scum (or are less likely to make as scum)
-give me what you would have done if you were scum last night.
-tell me your flavor (for fun, I’m a king cobra)
@DV: Talk to me about your Osie vote; if it hadn’t been a hammer (which regardless of your alignment, I don’t think you realized it was) what did you expect the vote to do?
@Vez: after you voted Osie you said you didn’t plan to keep your vote parked their, but he got hammered, and your vote never moved. If you had moved it, what would you have done at the time?
@DV:Osie had you as town for “reads”, what are your thoughts on that?
I haven’t pushed you, only threatened to lynch you to get you to do things, different.
Your inability to see that, and calling me scum for it is making me more likely to push you though.
Sincerely Shadow.Vez, that’s a pretty weak sauce response to pressure. What do you think of the people who think you’re scum?
DV is just climbing the town ladder even though he is attacking me. Osie is osie and I'm not sure what to make of the gimmick. It's just a bit +scum as I feel osie isn't confident with his scum ability and trying to make it harder for the town to read him.
Grape is gut scum, but I'm waiting for more.
You (shadow) are still pretty much null cause you're shadow and HR is MIA.
This is the only post I could find that I probably wouldn't have made as mafia just cause I only have dv as a townread. I usually try to fake at least two town reads as scum for wifom, but with how the game was going it's not impossible to come from scum me.
Also putting you to null after calling you slight scum is not really my scum MO. I just try to escalate my early reads instead of changing them at a whim.
Even so I wouldn't even townfirm myself if I was reading this game without knowing my alignment.
Also I'm the king vulture or eagle. Forgot exactly what.
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Also I already said what I would've done last night. Shoot you and try to convince Bur to lynch dv. I'm much more confident that I can fool Bur than you.
I also thought shooting Bur is -EV as scum and didn't expect this.
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-find me 1 or 2 specific posts you’ve made that you don’t think you ever make as scum (or are less likely to make as scum)
-give me what you would have done if you were scum last night.
-tell me your flavor (for fun, I’m a king cobra)
I wouldn't have voted Osie to begin with. The the thing its just minus EV to lynch my scum partner. Also just to answer your other question, I was hoping he would stop gimicking, and that the vote/subsequent reactions would generate content and reads.
I also would have elected Vezok and made him pick between us. Or killed Vezok last night.
I'm the Red King Crab.
As for Osie's read on me IDK? I was sort of being town read by everyone. Osie isn't one to go against the grain as scum much.
As for the no lynch, parts for the lols(It was strictly bad and I knew that). But I also wanted to see reactions. I really didn't expect anything to come of it.
@Vez: after you voted Osie you said you didn’t plan to keep your vote parked their, but he got hammered, and your vote never moved. If you had moved it, what would you have done at the time?
@DV:Osie had you as town for “reads”, what are your thoughts on that?
Not sure. I was still waiting for hr to post more and my grapefruit scum read was increasing, but I hated osie's starting gimmick that I didn't feel the need to move my vote.
I will also point to every town thing I'm doing like answering the questions first before seeing DV's answers.
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DV, you would have chosen to thunderdome me? Really? You surely remember that you have lost [i]every single one on one[/b] between you and I right? Regardless of our alignments.
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DV, you would have chosen to thunderdome me? Really? You surely remember that you have lost [i]every single one on one[/b] between you and I right? Regardless of our alignments.
Have I?
I have no memory of this ever happening.
But yeah, I'd just take the person most likely to be power wolfing. That would be you. Every time someone would say I think DV's scum game is good I would just point at you and go "His isn't?"
@Vez: after you voted Osie you said you didn’t plan to keep your vote parked their, but he got hammered, and your vote never moved. If you had moved it, what would you have done at the time?
@DV:Osie had you as town for “reads”, what are your thoughts on that?
Not sure. I was still waiting for hr to post more and my grapefruit scum read was increasing, but I hated osie's starting gimmick that I didn't feel the need to move my vote.
I will also point to every town thing I'm doing like answering the questions first before seeing DV's answers.
And mostly I was just talking about specific instances of me vs you
Is there any world where scum you doesn’t kill Bur?
Yeah I listed it.
I kill Vezok and take you into end game with Bur as king.
But maybe killing you there would be good too.
I think optimal game for me though goes back two days.
Lets say I push Osie(Which is still minus EV IMO), then I'd kill you.
Then I'd push Grapefruit. And optimally end up with Vezok or HR in the thunderdome.
But really I'd tell Osie to go **** himself. Then push someone day one, defend Osie and then play the rest of the game out based on that.
I skipped over that, because the mod told us you were town, but you NOT waiting for Bur I was like WTF?
If I was king I might have just voted you for that hammer as soon as day started.
Yeah? I was sick of waiting.
*resists urge to hammer you in response to this cause it’d be funny*
Talk to me about your vote and Unvote on me day one? What had you that pocketed by me?
Well that was just me pretending to be mad about being told I was easy to pocket.
But in general I've been town reading you for,
Tone
General Flow of the Game(You don't seem opportunistic, other than the hammer yesterday)
And in general the way have been reasoning things. For example, the read on Bur as king. Like YEAH you could fake it, but when you combine it with the other two factors, I just don't see you as scum.
Dangit DV...I feel like there are several things that really point to you being scum, but I just want you to be town and I enjoy hopping right in your pocket.
I feel like you definitely benefit more from Bur dying than vez, but the flip side of that, is that vez isn’t a slouch about WIFOM.
Grape died and the last things he said were that he was getting simulpocketed by you and me.
You’ve said some things that seem less likely to occur to town (brought up killing Bur, etc)
Voting Osie in a way that could absolutely you being frustrated at a buddy and wanting the credit later, while not actually realizing it was a hammer.
Several other small things. I will keep going over stuff though, I want to win.
You’ve said some things that seem less likely to occur to town (brought up killing Bur, etc)
I was putting a lot of thought into this pre-game.
I was wondering if killing the king each day might be optimal. I'm not convinced, because it lowers the POE, but so does killing into the POE.
So, I think its half a dozen of one, six of the other sort of the scenario.
That being said if you ******* hammer me I'm going to lord this loss over you and how you could have won this for us, because I've played incredibly townie this game.
That being said if you ******* hammer me I'm going to lord this loss over you and how you could have won this for us, because I've played incredibly townie this game.
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That being said if you ******* hammer me I'm going to lord this loss over you and how you could have won this for us, because I've played incredibly townie this game.
That being said if you ******* hammer me I'm going to lord this loss over you and how you could have won this for us, because I've played incredibly townie this game.
Quality content right here.
Your whole plan was WIFOM and its working.
I hate you right now.
It's not my plan, it's yours and it's not working.
It's a game where both me and you have perfect information. Shadow knows this. Saying scum's plan was WIFOM is something almost universally true, but in this situation it's the only reason why scun would kill Bur instead of shadow.
It's also appeal to emotion in a game where you should be pretty distant from the thread, because you already know everything and the decision is not under your control.
Hate is also much too strong a word to use in this context. I haven't done anything immoral that could warrant hate even if I was scum.
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It's not my plan, it's yours and it's not working.
That's nice.
It's a game where both me and you have perfect information. Shadow knows this. Saying scum's plan was WIFOM is something almost universally true, but in this situation it's the only reason why scun would kill Bur instead of shadow.
Or they kill Bur because they are not sure what his reads are. Or his only reads posted point to him thinking of you as scum.
It's also appeal to emotion in a game where you should be pretty distant from the thread, because you already know everything and the decision is not under your control.
How is this ATE at all?
Hate is also much too strong a word to use in this context. I haven't done anything immoral that could warrant hate even if I was scum.
I disagree that this isn't within my control at all.
Consequently I'm casing Vezoks Day One.
Post One
Vezok votes Osie for the gimicking.
Post Two
Gives me town points/Gives shadow Scum points.
Talks about how he is trying to be imposing to Osie and how he doesn't want to park his vote on Osie. At this point he might have been looking to bail his vote and been trying to signal to Osie that he needed to stop the gimick.
Post Three
Fluff post. Says he's not scum and dares us to go for it.
Post Four
Scum reads osie a little, but not a lot. Its pretty weak once again it seems like he is trying to pump the brakes on his Osie vote and trying to get out of it.
I wish I could quote things, but I'm phone posting and that seems to be a mess in doing so.
I feel as though Vezok got locked into voting Osie when he didn't mean to, and was trying his hardest to back out of voting Osie as fast as possible, but my accidental hammer, forced it through before he could back out.
I'd encourage you to read Vezok's Iso.
Main thing that Vezok has that I think is a red flag is.
Vezok has that Osie plant vote.
Additionally, I think Vezok's made multiple statements today that don't make sense.
I think the Biggest Strike against me is the Bur kill. But, I'd argue that Bur's only read(Which was early on) favored me. Vezok might have decided to not roll the dice with Bur or felt that it was not in his favor versus either of us. Actually, does Vezok survive today, with either of us and Bur as king probably not. Its actually his best option, I think.
Osie is osie and I'm not sure what to make of the gimmick. It's just a bit +scum as I feel osie isn't confident with his scum ability and trying to make it harder for the town to read him.
Vez, talk to me about this, why do you think Osie isn’t confident with his scum ability?
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Shadow would you classify your scum as exact or more in the moment?
DV, what were you hoping to get/did you get out of this question?
Osie is osie and I'm not sure what to make of the gimmick. It's just a bit +scum as I feel osie isn't confident with his scum ability and trying to make it harder for the town to read him.
Vez, talk to me about this, why do you think Osie isn’t confident with his scum ability?
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Shadow would you classify your scum as exact or more in the moment?
DV, what were you hoping to get/did you get out of this question?
I was in the team with osie during team mafia where he was scum. I'm not sure if he said he liked town more than scum in the private thread explicitly, but he certainly implied that. It's also not enough for a serious read on osie as he can play both well, but it's just another reason.
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Highroller (2): vezokpiraka, D_V
Not Voting (3): Bur, Highroller, shadowlancerx
With 5 alive; it takes 3 to lynch.
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And really, if he’s not town, he’s played well enough that I’m willing to take the risk here.
Vote Highroller
Come on, give me that last Scum!
I maintain it is most likely between shadowlancerx or vezokpiraka. Good luck, town.
Highroller (3): vezokpiraka, D_V, shadowlancerx
Not Voting (2): Bur, Highroller
With 5 alive, that's a lynch!
Highroller was:
King Henry the VIIIHank Hill, aka King of the Hill (town)Night kill designation is due within 24 hours of this post.
(shadowlancerx is now confirmed town; however, in a terrible twist of Murphonic irony, he still doesn't get two votes because there are only three players left in the game.)
It's now Day 3. With 3 alive, it takes 2 votes to lynch!
Have at each other!
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So shadow, how do you think we should do this? I'll try to reread DV to see if I can find anything that might make it obvious he is scum, but I doubt that I will find anything so clear cut. DV played well all game. It's just that the accidental hammer was probably not accidental.
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You decided to Thunderdome me?
ME?
You crazy mother ****er.
Vote Vezok
D_V (1): vezokpiraka
vezokpiraka (1): D_V
Not Voting (1): (King) shadowlancerx
Shadow I hope you realise I'm not masochistic and I would've shot you with no regrets and let Bur figure us out. Shooting Bur is the worst way I could go about it.
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Yeah me too Shadow
Its crazy but if I had to point to one thing it be Bur's Iso(IE the only reads he has shared). That plus so much WIFOM on WIFOM and I think its an awesome play by vezok at the very least.
Lets see if it plays out for him.
Alright, I’ll be back later to figure this mess out.
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Alright, couple of things, I’ve already go so much wine in front of me that I might as well get some more. Will both of you do the following:
-find me 1 or 2 specific posts you’ve made that you don’t think you ever make as scum (or are less likely to make as scum)
-give me what you would have done if you were scum last night.
-tell me your flavor (for fun, I’m a king cobra)
@DV:Osie had you as town for “reads”, what are your thoughts on that?
@DV: why did you suggest a no lynch? What was your thought process?
This is the only post I could find that I probably wouldn't have made as mafia just cause I only have dv as a townread. I usually try to fake at least two town reads as scum for wifom, but with how the game was going it's not impossible to come from scum me.
Also putting you to null after calling you slight scum is not really my scum MO. I just try to escalate my early reads instead of changing them at a whim.
Even so I wouldn't even townfirm myself if I was reading this game without knowing my alignment.
Also I'm the king vulture or eagle. Forgot exactly what.
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I also thought shooting Bur is -EV as scum and didn't expect this.
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I wouldn't have voted Osie to begin with. The the thing its just minus EV to lynch my scum partner. Also just to answer your other question, I was hoping he would stop gimicking, and that the vote/subsequent reactions would generate content and reads.
I also would have elected Vezok and made him pick between us. Or killed Vezok last night.
I'm the Red King Crab.
As for Osie's read on me IDK? I was sort of being town read by everyone. Osie isn't one to go against the grain as scum much.
As for the no lynch, parts for the lols(It was strictly bad and I knew that). But I also wanted to see reactions. I really didn't expect anything to come of it.
Not sure. I was still waiting for hr to post more and my grapefruit scum read was increasing, but I hated osie's starting gimmick that I didn't feel the need to move my vote.
I will also point to every town thing I'm doing like answering the questions first before seeing DV's answers.
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DV, you would have chosen to thunderdome me? Really? You surely remember that you have lost [i]every single one on one[/b] between you and I right? Regardless of our alignments.
@Vez: why would shooting Bur be -EV?
Have I?
I have no memory of this ever happening.
But yeah, I'd just take the person most likely to be power wolfing. That would be you. Every time someone would say I think DV's scum game is good I would just point at you and go "His isn't?"
I sorta yolo'd that one though.
?????
WTB double vote.
I’m actually kind of side eyeing that part of vez’s Post you quoted as well.
Wasn't I trying to get myself killed in Cops though? Also we won cops lol.
Shots was LOL.
Haiku really threw me off my game. PR = Hard to scum post. A little PR is fine that much = hard.
And mostly I was just talking about specific instances of me vs you
Is there any world where scum you doesn’t kill Bur?
Yeah I listed it.
I kill Vezok and take you into end game with Bur as king.
But maybe killing you there would be good too.
I think optimal game for me though goes back two days.
Lets say I push Osie(Which is still minus EV IMO), then I'd kill you.
Then I'd push Grapefruit. And optimally end up with Vezok or HR in the thunderdome.
But really I'd tell Osie to go **** himself. Then push someone day one, defend Osie and then play the rest of the game out based on that.
I skipped over that, because the mod told us you were town, but you NOT waiting for Bur I was like WTF?
If I was king I might have just voted you for that hammer as soon as day started.
*resists urge to hammer you in response to this cause it’d be funny*
Talk to me about your vote and Unvote on me day one? What had you that pocketed by me?
Well that was just me pretending to be mad about being told I was easy to pocket.
But in general I've been town reading you for,
Tone
General Flow of the Game(You don't seem opportunistic, other than the hammer yesterday)
And in general the way have been reasoning things. For example, the read on Bur as king. Like YEAH you could fake it, but when you combine it with the other two factors, I just don't see you as scum.
I feel like you definitely benefit more from Bur dying than vez, but the flip side of that, is that vez isn’t a slouch about WIFOM.
Grape died and the last things he said were that he was getting simulpocketed by you and me.
You’ve said some things that seem less likely to occur to town (brought up killing Bur, etc)
Voting Osie in a way that could absolutely you being frustrated at a buddy and wanting the credit later, while not actually realizing it was a hammer.
Several other small things. I will keep going over stuff though, I want to win.
I was putting a lot of thought into this pre-game.
I was wondering if killing the king each day might be optimal. I'm not convinced, because it lowers the POE, but so does killing into the POE.
So, I think its half a dozen of one, six of the other sort of the scenario.
That being said if you ******* hammer me I'm going to lord this loss over you and how you could have won this for us, because I've played incredibly townie this game.
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I hate you right now.
It's not my plan, it's yours and it's not working.
It's a game where both me and you have perfect information. Shadow knows this. Saying scum's plan was WIFOM is something almost universally true, but in this situation it's the only reason why scun would kill Bur instead of shadow.
It's also appeal to emotion in a game where you should be pretty distant from the thread, because you already know everything and the decision is not under your control.
Hate is also much too strong a word to use in this context. I haven't done anything immoral that could warrant hate even if I was scum.
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That's nice.
Or they kill Bur because they are not sure what his reads are. Or his only reads posted point to him thinking of you as scum.
How is this ATE at all?
You must be joking.
This is clearly a joke.
Consequently I'm casing Vezoks Day One.
Post One
Vezok votes Osie for the gimicking.
Post Two
Gives me town points/Gives shadow Scum points.
Talks about how he is trying to be imposing to Osie and how he doesn't want to park his vote on Osie. At this point he might have been looking to bail his vote and been trying to signal to Osie that he needed to stop the gimick.
Post Three
Fluff post. Says he's not scum and dares us to go for it.
Post Four
Scum reads osie a little, but not a lot. Its pretty weak once again it seems like he is trying to pump the brakes on his Osie vote and trying to get out of it.
I wish I could quote things, but I'm phone posting and that seems to be a mess in doing so.
I feel as though Vezok got locked into voting Osie when he didn't mean to, and was trying his hardest to back out of voting Osie as fast as possible, but my accidental hammer, forced it through before he could back out.
If you need me to do work I can do that.
I'd encourage you to read Vezok's Iso.
Main thing that Vezok has that I think is a red flag is.
Vezok has that Osie plant vote.
Additionally, I think Vezok's made multiple statements today that don't make sense.
I think the Biggest Strike against me is the Bur kill. But, I'd argue that Bur's only read(Which was early on) favored me. Vezok might have decided to not roll the dice with Bur or felt that it was not in his favor versus either of us. Actually, does Vezok survive today, with either of us and Bur as king probably not. Its actually his best option, I think.
I’m taking a rest for today, if whichever one of you is scum could self hammer, that’d be great.
New exercise, each of you find me the scummiest post you think you’ve made all game and explain why you’d make it as town.
I was in the team with osie during team mafia where he was scum. I'm not sure if he said he liked town more than scum in the private thread explicitly, but he certainly implied that. It's also not enough for a serious read on osie as he can play both well, but it's just another reason.
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