His entrance into today is kind of bad; it’s almost scolding when that isn’t the mood I would expect from a townie.
Ok, so looking back on the times of posts, that was the night I had a bunch of things to do and came home at 11 PM, so I rescind the previous comment. But still, it's frustrating when you're being criticized for not posting substantially when you guys decided to end day so abruptly.
HR: do you have any wholistic thoughts on the game that might be helpful?
I mean, I'm not sure what there even is to analyze. Day 1 was 3 pages and not even 3 full ones at that, and it ended in what was essentially a policy lynch for Osieorb (thank you for doing that, by the way, his gimmicks were really annoying, and I'm frankly amazed that Soundcloud posting is even allowed. It shouldn't be.) that ended up coming up lucky. Prior to that we had much ado about your comment of not picking Bur as the King, which I didn't think was anything more than WIFOM. Did anything else meaningful even happen?
Then we started today learning that Grapefruit was town. Great. Let's go back and reanalyze Day 1 with that in mind - oh wait, that's not going to do anything because we rushed through day 1. What else is there to even scrutinize?
I'm not saying I'm a fan of it but we could no lynch today. We'd basically be playing F4 but with one scum.
No, objectively a terrible decision.
If there's 4 people alive, we'd need 3 to lynch. That means all 3 towns must unanimously agree on the mafia or fail. It's the least advantageous position for us to be in.
Yes, the remaining mafia would probably choose to kill anyone and put us into that situation anyway were we to lynch today. EXCEPT, there would be two key differences:
1. We'd gain no information reveals on our terms, only the mafia's terms.
2. We'd lose out on any chance of winning the game today.
No, no lynch is a terrible idea.
I would love Vezok to justify his rationale for saying I'm 99% likely to be mafia. You gathered that from all three of those posts I've made up until this point?
Yeah alright, I’m down to wait this out and make the best decision.
HR, can I ask why you didn’t vote Osie at all? Without having gone back to verify you posted at points where it made sense, I recognize that that might be the answer.
@HR: you are the only person who didn't vote scum in the first 3 pages and isn't confirmed tosn. You could have a million posts or 0 posts and the situation sould still be the same.
Also 4 p MyLo requires the king plus a townie to vote for a lynch to occur so there's that. 3p LyLo requires only the king to vote to end thr day while the other two people can't do anything.
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HR, can I ask why you didn’t vote Osie at all? Without having gone back to verify you posted at points where it made sense, I recognize that that might be the answer.
When was I going to vote for Osie?
I'd come home at around 11 PM the day that he was lynched, and I hadn't checked the game prior on that day. By the time I came home, Osie was already dead. You placed your vote at 2:45 PM of that day, and D_V placed his vote at 6:15 PM of that day.
Osie's other two votes were from page 1 due to his Soundcloud posting:
I'm voting osie until he stops with the bull***** sound bytes. I'm not willing to listen to anyone's voice and if osie is not going to post anything relevant I'd rather have him dead.
vote osie
I totally sympathize with people voting osieorb for the Soundcloud posting, I would have done that myself had he continued, but he'd stopped doing that, an I actually thought the first few image posts were kind of funny. By the time the image posts got irritating, you and D_V had already voted him and the lynch occurred. I never actually had a chance to vote or scrutinize the bandwagon because there wasn't any time to. He'd already had two votes on him that had not been removed, and the other 2 votes happened in a span of less than 4 hours.
@HR: you are the only person who didn't vote scum in the first 3 pages and isn't confirmed tosn. You could have a million posts or 0 posts and the situation sould still be the same.
That's a hell of a reach, vezok.
First of all, you're acting like bussing isn't a thing.
Which, considering that everyone who voted osieorb voted for him with the rationale of a policy vote/policy lynch, and osieorb had ample opportunity to mend his posting habits to avoid a lynch yet proceeded to double down in increasingly absurd ways, we can tell that osieorb deliberately got himself killed. So, it's really weird that you're acting like I'm definitely mafia because I didn't vote for osieorb when (A) there was no indication that I wasn't just unavailable to, something that my lack of post count might suggest, and (B) osieorb did pretty much everything he could to get lynched.
Second, I couldn't have voted osieorb on 2/27 because I didn't have access to the game and by the time I'd come home he was already dead. And why would I have voted him prior? His Soundcloud posting was indeed worthy of policy votes, but he already had two of them and he'd stopped. His behavior didn't get particularly egregious until that day with his weird misspellings. So when and for what reason would I have voted him?
Also 4 p MyLo requires the king plus a townie to vote for a lynch to occur so there's that. 3p LyLo requires only the king to vote to end thr day while the other two people can't do anything.
I see all your point hr, but at the end of the day the other people were om the wagon and you weren't. The PoE restricts on you.
Bussing is a possibility, but it makes no sense for shadow to vote osie at that time. A policy lynch is not a good emough reason to vote someone and shadow knows it. Makes no sense to vote your buddy in this game at such a time.
DV has the exact same reason eccept he hammered scum by mistake. And if you think it was a ploy, you have to agree that it's better to settle it tomorrow than right now.
It's a combination of you not doing anything notable (I'm not blaming you for not having time, just stating a fact) and the other people alive being excluded due to voting patterns and behaviour.
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A policy lynch is not a good emough reason to vote someone and shadow knows it.
Wait, what? You want to run that by me again?
It's a combination of you not doing anything notable (I'm not blaming you for not having time, just stating a fact) and the other people alive being excluded due to voting patterns and behaviour.
The hell are you talking about? "Excluded due to voting patterns and behavior?" You concluded this in less than three pages? What possible justification could you have for clearing 80% of the people on page 4?
"Oh but they voted a mafia!" So? It's a game with 7 total people, a loss of a mafia only adds one additional day until lynch-or-lose. Furthermore, it is undeniable that osieorb was doing everything he could to get lynched. Why would he do that if 100% of the people voting him were town, and if doing this cleared everyone who was voting for him?
What two animal sounds were used to create King Kong's roar in the original 1933 production? For all you phonophiles, here's a compilation of all the roars from the major Kong productions; the first two are the ones you're trying to pin down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36pC9ugLUC4.
Ooooh, close, but no Macaw!
Hmm, that would bee bearzzare.
What? That's just gibberish!
Yup, this one. It was a combination of tiger and lion roars, but played in reverse at slow speed.
Lol, did you come here after clicking on Tiger and Macaw? Sucker.
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Highroller (1): vezokpiraka
Not Voting (4): Bur, D_V, Highroller, shadowlancerx
He can vote for two different people or he can place both votes on one person.
Ok, wow... I didn't realize he could do that.
That's actually really helpful when it's 3 towns and 1 mafia, as only 2 of the towns need to correctly identify the mafia provided one of them is the king. It's something, at least.
A policy lynch is not a good emough reason to vote someone and shadow knows it. Makes no sense to vote your buddy in this game at such a time.
Um...my Vote was more policy than anything else, did you think otherwise?
That came out wrong. What I meant to say is that if shadow was scum, he wouldn't have to vote osie in order to appear townie. A policy lynch doesn't really give you bus cred, because the wagon usually dissipates.
What I'm trying to say is that scum wouldn't bus a buddy for a policy lynch. It's just -EV all around.
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Look, let's be real here. We all know osieorb took a dive. The question is who he took a dive for. It sure as hell wasn't for me, I wasn't voting for him. It obviously wasn't for Bur, Bur is confirmed town and also wasn't voting for him. It can't have been Grapefruit, he's confirmed town by being dead, so it's either vezok, shadowlancerx, or D_V.
Your mafia is within that group. We should be looking within that group.
Of the three, I think vezokpiraka is the most suspicious.
His arguments for going after me are terrible and require him to be clairvoyant;
he's not even considering the possibility that osieorb was bussed when there should be no question in anyone's mind that osieorb deliberately got himself killed;
he said, I quote, "I don't actually intend to park my vote there," when that's exactly what he did;
and osieorb spent a lot of time casting vezok as the number one mafia suspect.
That came out wrong. What I meant to say is that if shadow was scum, he wouldn't have to vote osie in order to appear townie. A policy lynch doesn't really give you bus cred, because the wagon usually dissipates.
And yet you're voting me because I wasn't on the policy lynch, and you're claiming that everyone else is cleared. So apparently a policy lynch doesn't really give you bus cred except when it does and when it does is lynching Highroller.
Not to mention you even outright acknowledge Bur wasn't on the policy lynch, so saying not being on the policy lynch was a mafia thing makes even less sense. We KNOW he's town.
So maybe me not being on the policy lynch wasn't so much a matter of mafia as it was a matter of arithmetic? 7 - 4 = 3, which means if the day ends when 4 votes are cast on a person, yeah, it's pretty likely that 2 non-osieorb people were going to end up having not placed their votes on him, and it is inevitable at least one of them would be town.
You can't have it both ways, vezok. You can't argue a policy lynch doesn't really give you town cred, but also, a policy lynch totally gives you town cred.
Also I concluded that based on 2 posts, the other 3 pages are superfluous.
Yeah sure. I mean, if you're going to make a ridiculous claim like, "I know everyone's alignment after 2 pages," might as well go the extra mile and make it even more absurd.
Vote vezok. You're too smart to be playing this silly.
I don't feel like I have anything to respond to. I've made myself pretty clear. Lynch hr or lynch someone else, but I'm not going to vote anyone else except hr.
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What mythical monster may have been inspired by King Kong, with no reported sightings prior to 1933, but the first one being within six months after the film's release?
Nah, this guy's reportedly been around for longer than that.
Ha, these guys date back to at least the 14th century.
Dude, this is the same as Bigfoot!
These suckers are 18th century concepts. And there aren't any vampires in King Kong!
Hmm, the answer has to be around here somewhere...
Answer: The Lock Ness Monster. Really hard to spot, wasn't she? Yes, Ol' Nessie may have been inspired by the diplodocus that attacks searchers on a raft. Votecount 2.2
I'm currently doing internship interviews/applications and have two midterms and a 30 page paper due this week.
HR makes the argument that Vezok would need to be clairvoyant in order to make some of the arguments he makes. But, HR shows his own psychic abilities by knowing Osie was a bus target and saying it has to be Vezok.
I want to lynch either of them today, but feel if they flip town I'm just going to want to lynch the other one tomorrow.
I'm not a huge fan of that reasoning and feel that it doesn't set up tomorrow well if I'm wrong.
The fact that they’ve cross voted makes me feel reasonably good that it’s not you DV, so that’s helpful. Probably will do another reread just to finalize who I want to lynch.
@DV: if you’re town and we mislynch today, then either you’ll be dead or the game will be solved for you. Final 3 means the last townie will always know who’s scum, and it’ll come down to bur.
@DV: if you’re town and we mislynch today, then either you’ll be dead or the game will be solved for you. Final 3 means the last townie will always know who’s scum, and it’ll come down to bur.
Oh right.
That makes me feel better.
I should have caught that.
I guess I'd like to get it right today then, but I won't have the time till later this week.
@DV: if you’re town and we mislynch today, then either you’ll be dead or the game will be solved for you. Final 3 means the last townie will always know who’s scum, and it’ll come down to bur.
Oh right.
That makes me feel better.
I should have caught that.
I guess I'd like to get it right today then, but I won't have the time till later this week.
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@DV: if you’re town and we mislynch today, then either you’ll be dead or the game will be solved for you. Final 3 means the last townie will always know who’s scum, and it’ll come down to bur.
Oh right.
That makes me feel better.
I should have caught that.
I guess I'd like to get it right today then, but I won't have the time till later this week.
LOL I was meaning if I make it to tomorrow I don't need to worry about figuring anything out the game is solved for me.
But also if it makes it to tomorrow I can't be blamed for the loss.
HR makes the argument that Vezok would need to be clairvoyant in order to make some of the arguments he makes. But, HR shows his own psychic abilities by knowing Osie was a bus target and saying it has to be Vezok.
I'm not saying it has to be Vezok. I'm saying it has to be shadowlancerx, you, or Vezok.
What I am saying is vezok is acting like a weirdo for the reasons already mentioned, and that makes me think it's vezok.
@Highroller: Talk to me more about why you’re so sure Osie took a dive, rather than getting lynched without expecting to be?
... Seriously?
Page 1: osieorb posts a bunch of Soundcloud posts. Grapefruit and vezok both vote osieorb, their posted reasoning being that osieorb is posting Soundcloud posts. After vezok's vote on him, osieorb switches to image posts.
Page 2: osieorb continues to post image posts. This annoys people. You actually outright say to him that you would policy lynch him.
Page 3: osieorb posts horribly misspelled posts. You say "You know what, no, I’m not dealing with this," and vote him. osieorb continues to post horrendously misspelled posts multiple times before D_V policy votes him as well (allegedly an "accidental hammer," time will tell whether he's telling the truth or not.)
I'm not sure why I'm recapping events for you that you were a part of, but yeah. At any point during all of this, osieorb could have just made normal posts and things would have been fine. He'd gotten two policy votes in the first page, which made him change posting style but change it to something that's arguably more annoying, and just continued the trolling on page three to something even worse. His posts became over-the-top in how bad they were.
osieorb was inviting a lynch. There should be absolutely no question about this.
And the only reason a mafia would do that on day one in a game with only two mafia is to hopefully solidify victory for the other mafia. In other words, osieorb was bussed, and that was part of his plan. Ergo, it must be one of the people voting for him. cantripmancer is dead, which means it has to be either vezok, you, or D_V.
@HR: knowing Osie, the gimmicking until being lynched isn’t actually indicative of taking a dive, especially since he could have, you know, not kept it up and actually had a decent shot at a mislynch.
You being the only non Bur player off wagon means fypov he was bussed, but that’s not actually indicative of intentionally getting himself lynched.
@DV: what makes the post a slip? Walk me through it.
@HR: knowing Osie, the gimmicking until being lynched isn’t actually indicative of taking a dive, especially since he could have, you know, not kept it up and actually had a decent shot at a mislynch.
You being the only non Bur player off wagon means fypov he was bussed, but that’s not actually indicative of intentionally getting himself lynched.
@DV: what makes the post a slip? Walk me through it.
Its Grape?
DV theory time.
I really should be finishing this will before doing this but YOLO.
So, HR has shown game summary and that he has read the thread. See above posts where he does walk through.
If he has done this then he has read the game. If I'm scum I don't really care what the dead townie said. If I am town I do care what Grape has said.(To be fair grape hasn't said much here)
In making his summary posts, HR didn't care what Grape had to say, because he has an agenda and that agenda does not align with a dead townie. Thus, he didn't read and didn't take note of what Grape said. If he was town, he would have taken a least some care to read what Grape had to say, and thus remember that it was Grape talking and not the moderator Cantripmancer.
So, to me this is a slip because he has mixed up our moderator with a player in the game. Meaning he didn't care that much on the reread and was just looking for dirt.
I'm being really bad at applying the "I'm town so it has to be one of you guys" argument.
Like no ***** DV of course HR thinks it has to be one of us.
I'm scapegoating school and claiming that's why I'm failing horribly. It can't possibly be that I'm trash. Nope nope nope.
cantripmancer is dead, which means it has to be either vezok, you, or D_V.
I find Vezoks arguments better, and I haven't seen anything to make me think Vezok is scum.
Plus this above quote I'm going to count as an important slip.
Vote HR
You know, you were at the top of my list going into today, and I think it's safe to say you're back there now.
Unvote. vezok's doubling-down on me actually makes me less likely to think he's mafia, and apparently being oblivious to osieorb's obvious, obvious gambit is NAI. Vote D_V.
@HR: knowing Osie, the gimmicking until being lynched isn’t actually indicative of taking a dive, especially since he could have, you know, not kept it up and actually had a decent shot at a mislynch.
Wait, I'm confused. Because it sounds like this is saying, "osieorb gimmicking until being lynched isn't indicative of his intentionally being lynched, because he could have at any point stopped and not been lynched."
If that's what you're saying, then it makes exactly zero sense. osieorb being able to stop at any point and not be lynched is the reason why it's obvious he was deliberately trying to be lynched. 3/4 votes on osieorb were contingent on his annoying as ***** playing style. If he had just not been annoying as *****, he wouldn't have gotten lynched. Hell, you yourself said that you were surprised he was mafia. It was a policy lynch that could have been avoided.
Yet, he didn't. You cannot read the posts he made on page 3 and tell me that the possibility of him being lynched if he didn't knock it the hell off with the dumb gimmicks wasn't abundantly clear to him because that was his third dumb gimmick that was pissing people off enough to vote for him.
Why would one of two mafia throw himself under the bus if his buddy wasn't on the bus? He wouldn't. So someone's on the bus.
In making his summary posts, HR didn't care what Grape had to say, because he has an agenda and that agenda does not align with a dead townie. Thus, he didn't read and didn't take note of what Grape said. If he was town, he would have taken a least some care to read what Grape had to say, and thus remember that it was Grape talking and not the moderator Cantripmancer.
So, to me this is a slip because he has mixed up our moderator with a player in the game. Meaning he didn't care that much on the reread and was just looking for dirt.
I make mistakes in my posts all the damn time. The hell are you talking about?
No, I just got the two names mixed up. But nice try. Although, you really didn't think your line of attack through. Because if your rationale is that I've mixed up names because I don't actually care if I get the name right when I wrote the name, what happens when we apply that same rationale to your alleged "accident" of lynching osieorb? By that same logic, doesn't that prove you voted him without really caring if he'd be killed?
I’ll say it again, and you can argue until your blue in the face, but Osie gimmicking wasn’t something he did to get intentionally lynched. That’s just not a thing.
I’ve seen him pull similar dumb crap as town.
So I had a hilarious idea that I’m pretty sure won’t actually be allowed because it would completely break the setup, but since Bur can technically vote two separate people, there is no reason he couldn’t double hammer both other players in a 3 person LyLo and guarantee the win, by how the rules currently stand.
Anyway...
I am not sure if Scum!highroller is actually likely to swap and omgus onto DV, or if that’s just brash town!highroller. I’m not really sure of anything frankly, and I’m unconvinced that I’m going to feel better about things with another reread. But I’m gonna anyway. But not tonight, I need to sleep.
I’ll say it again, and you can argue until your blue in the face, but Osie gimmicking wasn’t something he did to get intentionally lynched. That’s just not a thing.
Allowing yourself to get bussed is not a thing?
Unvote. Damn I have no idea at this point. I could build a substantial case on any one of you three. Two of you are just making it WAY too easy for the third.
C'mon guys, heads in the game! You're seriously going to argue that osieorb didn't know with complete clarity that he was going to get himself lynched, even after shadowlancerx voted him (his third vote) and he continued to post in horribly mangled spelling? Is this actually a thing we're arguing?
Also I don't think Shadow or Grape realized I hammered either.
Shadow didn't realize it was Grape, either.
Here's what's bothering me:
If osieorb is clearly trying to get himself killed,
and he starts going excessive and over-the-top with this at 4:12 PM on the 27th,
and shadowlancerx comes in and votes him at 4:25 pm,
and D_V hammers at 6:57 pm,
how can D_V be the mafia?
If the plan is for osieorb to get lynched in order to make his mafia buddy look town, but D_V votes him at 2 hours and 45 minutes after osieorb just goes freaking bonkers, what guarantee did osieorb have that neither Bur nor I would vote him in the interim?
So I don't think it's D_V. It has to be either vezokpiraka or shadowlancerx.
I’ll say it again, and you can argue until your blue in the face, but Osie gimmicking wasn’t something he did to get intentionally lynched. That’s just not a thing.
I’ve seen him pull similar dumb crap as town.
So I had a hilarious idea that I’m pretty sure won’t actually be allowed because it would completely break the setup, but since Bur can technically vote two separate people, there is no reason he couldn’t double hammer both other players in a 3 person LyLo and guarantee the win, by how the rules currently stand.
Anyway...
I am not sure if Scum!highroller is actually likely to swap and omgus onto DV, or if that’s just brash town!highroller. I’m not really sure of anything frankly, and I’m unconvinced that I’m going to feel better about things with another reread. But I’m gonna anyway. But not tonight, I need to sleep.
If I had to choose only between shadow and DV, I'd go with DV, but by a small and irrelevant margin. I simply can't see anyone else as scum except HR.
As for your idea, I think the votes come in order so the first person voted gets hammered.
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I say go for it. See what comes out of that, but you're just going to be wrong.
sleep at 2 thru pr chang wa good ides i tink ur ate is petty vad but i thinl u do simiat in a game so i dunno if scummy u or no but bad ate shadow i guess wait for d2 even tho i dont lik it so u can die scum
Highroller, stop pretending getting buzzed and taking a fall are the same. They’re not.
Stop pretending that he didn't take a fall. osieorb is not a fool, nor is he a madman, nor a four-year old. He knew what would happen to him and proceeded to let it.
There is only one rational reason for this: he was setting himself up to be killed, at least by the time you voted him.
To add on, I agree that Osie isn’t a fool, and going out of his way to get lynched day one would be foolish. Making a buddy look good isn’t a thing that actually makes sense for the scenario. Can you at least try to look at that perspective?
I'm actually a little upset I didn't listen to these before. That was funny as *****.
Although, I might not have voted Osie though if I had listened to them. That was actually funny...
In that one Osie claims, and says they are both town.
Honestly I could go either way on that post. It seems fake, BUT it could just be him faking his town claim.
I think the overall thing is to look the overall posting.
HR's Theory that Osie purposefully was trying to get himself lynched. I get what he is trying to say, but lets look at pregame chat options.
Its either You, Me, or Vezok by HR views. HR doesn't know this about me, but I'd tell Osie to **** off if that was his plan. Personally, if that was the plan its strictly minus EV. Getting town lynched day one drastically increases the EV for the scum team in this setup.
I have a feeling just based on personal preference that you would also tell Osie to screw off in pre-game chat.
That leaves Vezok. Does Vezok approve this plan? Probably not either. Out of all the votes Maybe Vezoks was the worst, due to parking the vote(ISH) and his seemed to be the most on "Principle" but not really as serious.
Does HR approve this plan? Maybe, out of all the players in the game I actually think HR is the most likely to have proposed this plan. He comes in with this theory and I was all like "No way brah". But, I could totally see Osie pushing this on him and him agreeing to it.
I'm really down to HR and Vezok. I know it isn't Bur(Even though he hasn't been in the thread). And I don't think its you. The way you have been asking questions feels town to me. Your progression on me feels town to me, unlike Vezoks. The one thing I can point to on this is that Vezok keeps sort of leaving me out as a misslynch for day three. Where you I feel are sort of suspicious of me, but you haven't been like vocally trying to set it up to look townie. At least that's the feeling I'm getting.
So, really its a positioning thing. I feel like Vezok is getting himself ready for day three, and I feel like HR is the most likely to have approved the gambit.
I guess it could be argued that HR is also getting ready for day three since he seems to not be questioning you at all, but I'm not so sure on that.
Yeah, I need to do some isos, probably gonna do those today; I want to look at grape again just to try and glean why he might have been killed, and go from there.
I don’t expect if we get it wrong today that both of us will be alive tomorrow, I think Scum is just in vez/HR, but if it’s you, I think you have enough sense to kill me tonight.
Yeah, I need to do some isos, probably gonna do those today; I want to look at grape again just to try and glean why he might have been killed, and go from there.
I don’t expect if we get it wrong today that both of us will be alive tomorrow, I think Scum is just in vez/HR, but if it’s you, I think you have enough sense to kill me tonight.
If it was me you'd already be dead.
In fact the fact that Grape was the kill is the ONLY hesitation I have about you. That being said I'm trying to ignore that because its a lot of WIFOM.
For the record I thought it was five votes to lynch.
Also I don't think Shadow or Grape realized I hammered either.
LOL.
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That may be a townie response by HR. Be back tomorrow sometime, I hope Bur comes in here and makes some arguments I know at least come from town.
Can you extrapolate on this a bit? I’m not sure I agree that it’s a particularly townie reply that he gave.
I’m finding myself leaning toward a highroller lynch, but I still want Bur to actually come in here with some thoughts, and I’m not quite ready to call it.
Grapefruit said he wanted to lynch highroller just a few posts before night, but he also had a scum read on vez throughout yesterday. So not overly helpful. I could try reading into things, but I don’t particularly think that will do me much good overall.
Yeah, I need to do some isos, probably gonna do those today; I want to look at grape again just to try and glean why he might have been killed, and go from there.
I don’t expect if we get it wrong today that both of us will be alive tomorrow, I think Scum is just in vez/HR, but if it’s you, I think you have enough sense to kill me tonight.
If it was me you'd already be dead.
In fact the fact that Grape was the kill is the ONLY hesitation I have about you. That being said I'm trying to ignore that because its a lot of WIFOM.
Oh I’d have killed the balls out of you after that hammer. Plus Grape is easier to keep pocketed than you are in general.
I guess his OMGUS vote on me sort of seems slightly town to me?
But it could be your mitigating post where afterwords he unvotes me.
That being said he sort of votes me in a way that I'm not a fan of. He just skips you goes to me and doesn't give a reason why I'm worse than you. Its sort of seeing what sticks.
What I was seeing was that the Unvote seemed pure. But really it could just be frustration of "I don't know how to play this as scum."
At the end of the day I think HR is the most likely. His theory about bussing doesn't make a lot of sense other than what I see as frustration that the plan Osie and he concocted didn't go through. See his first post of the day where he is frustrated that he missed it. He then immediately, says that this had to be the plan and then uses it to attack us. Which does make sense from his perspective, but also with that first post reads almost as if it is frustration that he couldn't get town cred for doing so. On top of that he seems like the most likely to have approved that plan with Vezok being a distant second.
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Ok, so looking back on the times of posts, that was the night I had a bunch of things to do and came home at 11 PM, so I rescind the previous comment. But still, it's frustrating when you're being criticized for not posting substantially when you guys decided to end day so abruptly.
I mean, I'm not sure what there even is to analyze. Day 1 was 3 pages and not even 3 full ones at that, and it ended in what was essentially a policy lynch for Osieorb (thank you for doing that, by the way, his gimmicks were really annoying, and I'm frankly amazed that Soundcloud posting is even allowed. It shouldn't be.) that ended up coming up lucky. Prior to that we had much ado about your comment of not picking Bur as the King, which I didn't think was anything more than WIFOM. Did anything else meaningful even happen?
Then we started today learning that Grapefruit was town. Great. Let's go back and reanalyze Day 1 with that in mind - oh wait, that's not going to do anything because we rushed through day 1. What else is there to even scrutinize?
No, objectively a terrible decision.
If there's 4 people alive, we'd need 3 to lynch. That means all 3 towns must unanimously agree on the mafia or fail. It's the least advantageous position for us to be in.
Yes, the remaining mafia would probably choose to kill anyone and put us into that situation anyway were we to lynch today. EXCEPT, there would be two key differences:
1. We'd gain no information reveals on our terms, only the mafia's terms.
2. We'd lose out on any chance of winning the game today.
No, no lynch is a terrible idea.
I would love Vezok to justify his rationale for saying I'm 99% likely to be mafia. You gathered that from all three of those posts I've made up until this point?
HR, can I ask why you didn’t vote Osie at all? Without having gone back to verify you posted at points where it made sense, I recognize that that might be the answer.
Also 4 p MyLo requires the king plus a townie to vote for a lynch to occur so there's that. 3p LyLo requires only the king to vote to end thr day while the other two people can't do anything.
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I'd come home at around 11 PM the day that he was lynched, and I hadn't checked the game prior on that day. By the time I came home, Osie was already dead. You placed your vote at 2:45 PM of that day, and D_V placed his vote at 6:15 PM of that day.
Osie's other two votes were from page 1 due to his Soundcloud posting:
I totally sympathize with people voting osieorb for the Soundcloud posting, I would have done that myself had he continued, but he'd stopped doing that, an I actually thought the first few image posts were kind of funny. By the time the image posts got irritating, you and D_V had already voted him and the lynch occurred. I never actually had a chance to vote or scrutinize the bandwagon because there wasn't any time to. He'd already had two votes on him that had not been removed, and the other 2 votes happened in a span of less than 4 hours.
First of all, you're acting like bussing isn't a thing.
Which, considering that everyone who voted osieorb voted for him with the rationale of a policy vote/policy lynch, and osieorb had ample opportunity to mend his posting habits to avoid a lynch yet proceeded to double down in increasingly absurd ways, we can tell that osieorb deliberately got himself killed. So, it's really weird that you're acting like I'm definitely mafia because I didn't vote for osieorb when (A) there was no indication that I wasn't just unavailable to, something that my lack of post count might suggest, and (B) osieorb did pretty much everything he could to get lynched.
Second, I couldn't have voted osieorb on 2/27 because I didn't have access to the game and by the time I'd come home he was already dead. And why would I have voted him prior? His Soundcloud posting was indeed worthy of policy votes, but he already had two of them and he'd stopped. His behavior didn't get particularly egregious until that day with his weird misspellings. So when and for what reason would I have voted him?
Wait...
Hey Cantripmancer? Clarification:
Does "separately" mean he has to vote for two separate people, or can he vote someone and then vote them again?
Bussing is a possibility, but it makes no sense for shadow to vote osie at that time. A policy lynch is not a good emough reason to vote someone and shadow knows it. Makes no sense to vote your buddy in this game at such a time.
DV has the exact same reason eccept he hammered scum by mistake. And if you think it was a ploy, you have to agree that it's better to settle it tomorrow than right now.
It's a combination of you not doing anything notable (I'm not blaming you for not having time, just stating a fact) and the other people alive being excluded due to voting patterns and behaviour.
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The hell are you talking about? "Excluded due to voting patterns and behavior?" You concluded this in less than three pages? What possible justification could you have for clearing 80% of the people on page 4?
"Oh but they voted a mafia!" So? It's a game with 7 total people, a loss of a mafia only adds one additional day until lynch-or-lose. Furthermore, it is undeniable that osieorb was doing everything he could to get lynched. Why would he do that if 100% of the people voting him were town, and if doing this cleared everyone who was voting for him?
Votecount 2.1
Highroller (1): vezokpiraka
Not Voting (4): Bur, D_V, Highroller, shadowlancerx
With 5 alive; it takes 3 to lynch.
He can vote for two different people or he can place both votes on one person.
That's actually really helpful when it's 3 towns and 1 mafia, as only 2 of the towns need to correctly identify the mafia provided one of them is the king. It's something, at least.
That came out wrong. What I meant to say is that if shadow was scum, he wouldn't have to vote osie in order to appear townie. A policy lynch doesn't really give you bus cred, because the wagon usually dissipates.
What I'm trying to say is that scum wouldn't bus a buddy for a policy lynch. It's just -EV all around.
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Your mafia is within that group. We should be looking within that group.
Of the three, I think vezokpiraka is the most suspicious.
And yet you're voting me because I wasn't on the policy lynch, and you're claiming that everyone else is cleared. So apparently a policy lynch doesn't really give you bus cred except when it does and when it does is lynching Highroller.
Not to mention you even outright acknowledge Bur wasn't on the policy lynch, so saying not being on the policy lynch was a mafia thing makes even less sense. We KNOW he's town.
So maybe me not being on the policy lynch wasn't so much a matter of mafia as it was a matter of arithmetic? 7 - 4 = 3, which means if the day ends when 4 votes are cast on a person, yeah, it's pretty likely that 2 non-osieorb people were going to end up having not placed their votes on him, and it is inevitable at least one of them would be town.
You can't have it both ways, vezok. You can't argue a policy lynch doesn't really give you town cred, but also, a policy lynch totally gives you town cred.
Yeah sure. I mean, if you're going to make a ridiculous claim like, "I know everyone's alignment after 2 pages," might as well go the extra mile and make it even more absurd.
Vote vezok. You're too smart to be playing this silly.
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I’m actually sort of watching this highroller and vez back and forth, trying to parse them.
That's what I'm doing.
Was trying to get you into the fray too.
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Votecount 2.2
Highroller (1): vezokpiraka
vezokpiraka (1): Highroller
Not Voting (3): Bur, D_V, shadowlancerx
With 5 alive; it takes 3 to lynch.
HR makes the argument that Vezok would need to be clairvoyant in order to make some of the arguments he makes. But, HR shows his own psychic abilities by knowing Osie was a bus target and saying it has to be Vezok.
I want to lynch either of them today, but feel if they flip town I'm just going to want to lynch the other one tomorrow.
I'm not a huge fan of that reasoning and feel that it doesn't set up tomorrow well if I'm wrong.
That makes me feel better.
I should have caught that.
I guess I'd like to get it right today then, but I won't have the time till later this week.
LOL I was meaning if I make it to tomorrow I don't need to worry about figuring anything out the game is solved for me.
But also if it makes it to tomorrow I can't be blamed for the loss.
So its all about today then.
I'm not saying it has to be Vezok. I'm saying it has to be shadowlancerx, you, or Vezok.
What I am saying is vezok is acting like a weirdo for the reasons already mentioned, and that makes me think it's vezok.
... Seriously?
Page 1: osieorb posts a bunch of Soundcloud posts. Grapefruit and vezok both vote osieorb, their posted reasoning being that osieorb is posting Soundcloud posts. After vezok's vote on him, osieorb switches to image posts.
Page 2: osieorb continues to post image posts. This annoys people. You actually outright say to him that you would policy lynch him.
Page 3: osieorb posts horribly misspelled posts. You say "You know what, no, I’m not dealing with this," and vote him. osieorb continues to post horrendously misspelled posts multiple times before D_V policy votes him as well (allegedly an "accidental hammer," time will tell whether he's telling the truth or not.)
I'm not sure why I'm recapping events for you that you were a part of, but yeah. At any point during all of this, osieorb could have just made normal posts and things would have been fine. He'd gotten two policy votes in the first page, which made him change posting style but change it to something that's arguably more annoying, and just continued the trolling on page three to something even worse. His posts became over-the-top in how bad they were.
osieorb was inviting a lynch. There should be absolutely no question about this.
And the only reason a mafia would do that on day one in a game with only two mafia is to hopefully solidify victory for the other mafia. In other words, osieorb was bussed, and that was part of his plan. Ergo, it must be one of the people voting for him. cantripmancer is dead, which means it has to be either vezok, you, or D_V.
I'm being really bad at applying the "I'm town so it has to be one of you guys" argument.
Like no ***** DV of course HR thinks it has to be one of us.
I'm scapegoating school and claiming that's why I'm failing horribly. It can't possibly be that I'm trash. Nope nope nope.
I find Vezoks arguments better, and I haven't seen anything to make me think Vezok is scum.
Plus this above quote I'm going to count as an important slip.
Vote HR
You being the only non Bur player off wagon means fypov he was bussed, but that’s not actually indicative of intentionally getting himself lynched.
@DV: what makes the post a slip? Walk me through it.
Its Grape?
DV theory time.
I really should be finishing this will before doing this but YOLO.
So, HR has shown game summary and that he has read the thread. See above posts where he does walk through.
If he has done this then he has read the game. If I'm scum I don't really care what the dead townie said. If I am town I do care what Grape has said.(To be fair grape hasn't said much here)
In making his summary posts, HR didn't care what Grape had to say, because he has an agenda and that agenda does not align with a dead townie. Thus, he didn't read and didn't take note of what Grape said. If he was town, he would have taken a least some care to read what Grape had to say, and thus remember that it was Grape talking and not the moderator Cantripmancer.
So, to me this is a slip because he has mixed up our moderator with a player in the game. Meaning he didn't care that much on the reread and was just looking for dirt.
Unvote. vezok's doubling-down on me actually makes me less likely to think he's mafia, and apparently being oblivious to osieorb's obvious, obvious gambit is NAI. Vote D_V.
Wait, I'm confused. Because it sounds like this is saying, "osieorb gimmicking until being lynched isn't indicative of his intentionally being lynched, because he could have at any point stopped and not been lynched."
If that's what you're saying, then it makes exactly zero sense. osieorb being able to stop at any point and not be lynched is the reason why it's obvious he was deliberately trying to be lynched. 3/4 votes on osieorb were contingent on his annoying as ***** playing style. If he had just not been annoying as *****, he wouldn't have gotten lynched. Hell, you yourself said that you were surprised he was mafia. It was a policy lynch that could have been avoided.
Yet, he didn't. You cannot read the posts he made on page 3 and tell me that the possibility of him being lynched if he didn't knock it the hell off with the dumb gimmicks wasn't abundantly clear to him because that was his third dumb gimmick that was pissing people off enough to vote for him.
Why would one of two mafia throw himself under the bus if his buddy wasn't on the bus? He wouldn't. So someone's on the bus.
I make mistakes in my posts all the damn time. The hell are you talking about?
No, I just got the two names mixed up. But nice try. Although, you really didn't think your line of attack through. Because if your rationale is that I've mixed up names because I don't actually care if I get the name right when I wrote the name, what happens when we apply that same rationale to your alleged "accident" of lynching osieorb? By that same logic, doesn't that prove you voted him without really caring if he'd be killed?
I’ve seen him pull similar dumb crap as town.
So I had a hilarious idea that I’m pretty sure won’t actually be allowed because it would completely break the setup, but since Bur can technically vote two separate people, there is no reason he couldn’t double hammer both other players in a 3 person LyLo and guarantee the win, by how the rules currently stand.
Anyway...
I am not sure if Scum!highroller is actually likely to swap and omgus onto DV, or if that’s just brash town!highroller. I’m not really sure of anything frankly, and I’m unconvinced that I’m going to feel better about things with another reread. But I’m gonna anyway. But not tonight, I need to sleep.
Unvote. Damn I have no idea at this point. I could build a substantial case on any one of you three. Two of you are just making it WAY too easy for the third.
C'mon guys, heads in the game! You're seriously going to argue that osieorb didn't know with complete clarity that he was going to get himself lynched, even after shadowlancerx voted him (his third vote) and he continued to post in horribly mangled spelling? Is this actually a thing we're arguing?
Also I don't think Shadow or Grape realized I hammered either.
LOL.
Unvote
That may be a townie response by HR. Be back tomorrow sometime, I hope Bur comes in here and makes some arguments I know at least come from town.
Here's what's bothering me:
If osieorb is clearly trying to get himself killed,
and he starts going excessive and over-the-top with this at 4:12 PM on the 27th,
and shadowlancerx comes in and votes him at 4:25 pm,
and D_V hammers at 6:57 pm,
how can D_V be the mafia?
If the plan is for osieorb to get lynched in order to make his mafia buddy look town, but D_V votes him at 2 hours and 45 minutes after osieorb just goes freaking bonkers, what guarantee did osieorb have that neither Bur nor I would vote him in the interim?
So I don't think it's D_V. It has to be either vezokpiraka or shadowlancerx.
If I had to choose only between shadow and DV, I'd go with DV, but by a small and irrelevant margin. I simply can't see anyone else as scum except HR.
As for your idea, I think the votes come in order so the first person voted gets hammered.
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Umm ...
... Really?
Highroller, stop pretending getting buzzed and taking a fall are the same. They’re not.
There is only one rational reason for this: he was setting himself up to be killed, at least by the time you voted him.
I listened to the soundcloud.
I'm actually a little upset I didn't listen to these before. That was funny as *****.
Although, I might not have voted Osie though if I had listened to them. That was actually funny...
In that one Osie claims, and says they are both town.
Honestly I could go either way on that post. It seems fake, BUT it could just be him faking his town claim.
I think the overall thing is to look the overall posting.
HR's Theory that Osie purposefully was trying to get himself lynched. I get what he is trying to say, but lets look at pregame chat options.
Its either You, Me, or Vezok by HR views. HR doesn't know this about me, but I'd tell Osie to **** off if that was his plan. Personally, if that was the plan its strictly minus EV. Getting town lynched day one drastically increases the EV for the scum team in this setup.
I have a feeling just based on personal preference that you would also tell Osie to screw off in pre-game chat.
That leaves Vezok. Does Vezok approve this plan? Probably not either. Out of all the votes Maybe Vezoks was the worst, due to parking the vote(ISH) and his seemed to be the most on "Principle" but not really as serious.
Does HR approve this plan? Maybe, out of all the players in the game I actually think HR is the most likely to have proposed this plan. He comes in with this theory and I was all like "No way brah". But, I could totally see Osie pushing this on him and him agreeing to it.
I'm really down to HR and Vezok. I know it isn't Bur(Even though he hasn't been in the thread). And I don't think its you. The way you have been asking questions feels town to me. Your progression on me feels town to me, unlike Vezoks. The one thing I can point to on this is that Vezok keeps sort of leaving me out as a misslynch for day three. Where you I feel are sort of suspicious of me, but you haven't been like vocally trying to set it up to look townie. At least that's the feeling I'm getting.
So, really its a positioning thing. I feel like Vezok is getting himself ready for day three, and I feel like HR is the most likely to have approved the gambit.
I guess it could be argued that HR is also getting ready for day three since he seems to not be questioning you at all, but I'm not so sure on that.
I don’t expect if we get it wrong today that both of us will be alive tomorrow, I think Scum is just in vez/HR, but if it’s you, I think you have enough sense to kill me tonight.
If it was me you'd already be dead.
In fact the fact that Grape was the kill is the ONLY hesitation I have about you. That being said I'm trying to ignore that because its a lot of WIFOM.
I’m finding myself leaning toward a highroller lynch, but I still want Bur to actually come in here with some thoughts, and I’m not quite ready to call it.
Grapefruit said he wanted to lynch highroller just a few posts before night, but he also had a scum read on vez throughout yesterday. So not overly helpful. I could try reading into things, but I don’t particularly think that will do me much good overall.
I guess his OMGUS vote on me sort of seems slightly town to me?
But it could be your mitigating post where afterwords he unvotes me.
That being said he sort of votes me in a way that I'm not a fan of. He just skips you goes to me and doesn't give a reason why I'm worse than you. Its sort of seeing what sticks.
What I was seeing was that the Unvote seemed pure. But really it could just be frustration of "I don't know how to play this as scum."
At the end of the day I think HR is the most likely. His theory about bussing doesn't make a lot of sense other than what I see as frustration that the plan Osie and he concocted didn't go through. See his first post of the day where he is frustrated that he missed it. He then immediately, says that this had to be the plan and then uses it to attack us. Which does make sense from his perspective, but also with that first post reads almost as if it is frustration that he couldn't get town cred for doing so. On top of that he seems like the most likely to have approved that plan with Vezok being a distant second.
Vote HR