KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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Uh... highroller you are the weirdest person. My first post is an intent to vote Tom, very clearly. However I do something called "playing mafia" where I look and review. I ask for input in how I may be wrong. "Break my poe" I ask in prudence.
Not that hard of a concept!
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Hes prolly a PR worried about looking bad and tryharding. If i were scum id kill him early
@mafia
this is super gross. Unvote, Vote Tom #riprvs
I really don't like the follow up convo with whisper either. But I do appreciate getting the Rhand and Grape defenses, that will make PoE easier down the line. Speaking of...
I mean, the option that goes along with him not believing it is just saying stuff to go with blustery confidence im scum so you should wait to see if he just keeps pushing me and looking for connections or is actually thinking things through
But now you have to watch how he reacts to being called out too so that should be fun
I mean, the option that goes along with him not believing it is just saying stuff to go with blustery confidence im scum so you should wait to see if he just keeps pushing me and looking for connections or is actually thinking things through
But now you have to watch how he reacts to being called out too so that should be fun
Jesus Tom. You're spilling all the beans.
I count probably 8 or 9 people in this thread that I know, that know Tom well enough, to know that we aren't gonna get a good read on him in the first few pages, even when he does something ridiculously scummy. Fair enough?
So is it necessary to actually say that in thread?
Now, the only two people who spoke up about that fact, when Tom did his PR-fishing (which wasn't helpful, especially because the follow up made it super obvious he found one (or did he? Or does LW want scum to think so? WIFOM fo dayz)) were Grape and Rhand.
So in the worlds where I see Tom is scum, doing some kind of weirdo gambit (which to be fair is in his wheelhouse), I don't see Rhand proclaiming him town and also being a scumbuddy. I think that we would see buddies distancing themselves from something like that, which makes Grape's defense a little harder to swallow (he's probably town, BUT TWO RED FLAGS). That's a fence sit if I've ever seen one. Combined with his opportunistic 4th vote on LW, to keep that wagon rolling, doesn't look good.
In the world where Tom is town and is just being Tom, Rhand's read is probably not alignment indicative either way. Scum could be buddying, or town could just be not "reading tom at level 0". Grape's comment still looks gross. Like "here is a little shade for tom, who is probably town"? I don't think that comes from town mindset. Like, I just don't see how it's helpful to state that.
Anyway, my take-away at the moment was I don't like Grape.
So my question for Grape is, when will you share what these red flags are? Can it be now?
@Tom, you feel towny enough. I have you in my townbloc along with LW. Not saying you're easy to read, but I think I can read you... decently?
@Rhand, what makes you say that? Also, since you mentioned being drunk, what's a good Dutch drink to try? I ran out of limoncello this weekend and need to get something new.
@Rodemy... uhm... LW/Tom town? Others... maybe not? *shrug* Can you form your question in the form of a better question?
@Tom, see, this is why people aren't nice to you. You were upset that I didn't mention you, I mention you, you vote me. *smh*
God i had half the team early day 1 and they both just wanted me to go away.
Also not gonna look right now but when anak replaced in I gave him zero ******* quarter and he treated me the same.
Like I get I'm too good as scum for anyone to want to read into my side, even though i actively scumread mindslot from page 3 on, and am (imo) at least as responsible for the anak lynch as Chris. I never townread vaimes and in fact tried to talk both grape and kj out of townreading him.
My vaimes/lngrr unalignment was wrong and quite unfortunate. But outside that i was on lngrr a long time as well.
My townreads have been good afaict. Last, grape, RE. As well as kj and the chris/dv slot for a long time if theyre both town as well.
Yes i joined the rhand and tubba mislynches. And pushed osi and vez. But that's still a damn good percentage on scumreads imo.
Uh... highroller you are the weirdest person. My first post is an intent to vote Tom, very clearly. However I do something called "playing mafia" where I look and review. I ask for input in how I may be wrong. "Break my poe" I ask in prudence.
Not that hard of a concept!
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You yesterday: If LnGrrrR's mafia, tomsloger is 100% definitely mafia, we lynch him and gg.
You today: Well hang on, give me some time to think about things.
It's pretty crazy to me I spent all these years developing a reputation as a powerwolf and now im having a pretty good town game and people think im a busser for some reason.
Like I served up anak slot on a platter even when dealing with osi's intentionally scummy ass, and hammered him and lngrr. Think its pretty clear I would have done the same to vaimes.
(All that said whatever just lynch me before lylo you're clearly all scared of me.
I do think Chris trying to lynch me over vaimes or lngrr (or even vez/kami) a couple days ago is kinda so bad and he's too good as town and that should make him scum but God dv was townie...
Just realized i dont need striketrhoughs if im only coloring myself and dead people...
D1 lngrr wagon peak:
LnGrr (5): HR, Last, vaimes, tubba, tom
Grape (3): Rhand, anak, Rod
Kami (1): Grape
Kj (1): vez
Last (1): Kami
Rhand (1): LnGrr
tom (1): chris
Tubba (1): Kj
Not voting: RE, osi
Right after this is the tau gambit.
Leading to
RE (6): HR, grape, Mind, kami, vaimes, Last
LnGrr (1): tubba
Mind (1):tom
Grape (2): Rhand, Rod
Kj (1): vez
Rhand (1): LnGrr
tom (1): chris
Tubba (1): Kj
Not voting: re, osi
Oh, you said you were going to go back to some interesting ones, so I thought there was going to be like a moment of, "these lists, therefore ___".
i vaguely plan to keep going through stuff with our 3 scum flips but I'm not predeciding my conclusions obviously...
That lngrr wagon peaking literally posts before the tau gambit is a bit awkward for analysis purposes, but we can see anak and vaimes happily jumped on etr slot and lngrr was just solo voting dead town at the time as well.
Especially if kami is scum too the tau gambit actually functioned... in that it was so stupid that a bunch of scum piled on
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Kj and Kami look the scummiest from it.
Kj just staying out of wagons and casing towntubba as well as discrediting the lngrr wagon. Still doesn't make sense for him to have had a n0 on grape with lngrr flip, and iirc he confirmed he knew flavor. So thinking just town playing proscum
Kami claiming 2 shot vig and HR claiming to unlock a shot probably means there's always scum in those 2? Except that Chris could be mafia BP and the claim makes sense with lngrr flipping scum...
Ugh
Crazy now that im thinking about it that no one even talked about the second vig claim but I didn't either too focused on being stupidly suspected
Did... highroller kill Tom when he claims to get a vig shot which amounts to him counter claiming KA?
... well that is interesting. I missed that.
Hi Tom I am assuming you arent playing 4d chess we can discuss some things post game about town play!
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Yeah no way town had 3 vig shots so town wins on ka/highroller. Your sacrifice is appreciated tom
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
With most of the residents dead, the remaining few all seemed to be very anxious. The deaths had certainly taken their toll on everyone, and at this point, people just wanted to be over with all this. There was no more discussion or arguing. At this point, people were willing to kill just anyone slightly suspicious as long as it was someone else than them.
And considering that the previous traitor had been the old butler of the house, it was only natural that they other elder employee of this house came under some heavy suspicion. If a butler was one of the traitors, then why couldn't the head maid also be part of the traitors?
The day had barely even started when one of you just darted at the gun, and without even any attempt at discretion, aimed it at the head maid's forehead and pulled the trigger once more:
tomsloger has been lynched! They were:
Consuelo (Town)
If Oriana is the steadfast pillar of the Family, you are the mason that maintains that pillar. The two of you met when you were both just girls, growing up together, falling in love side-by-side, serving each other as damigelle d'onore. And when your husband, Vicente, turned out to be as quick with his fists as he was in wit and seduction, Oriana had whispered in Enrico's ear...and you no longer had to worry about Vicente. In the aftermath of that horrible time, Oriana took you into her own home, the only place you've since felt safe, and gave you purpose and a livelihood as her maid and attendant.
Over the years, you've demonstrated both your worth and devotion, learning the little peccadilloes of everyone under this roof, finding carrots and sticks to be used as appropriate, and ensuring that only concerns of significance are even voiced in Oriana's presence. This allows her to run her household without being bothered by the little trifles of life, of which, unfortunately, there are many.
Your husband was a pig, but Oriana's husband, despite being a killer, was a man of honor who respected his wife. In this desperate hour, you know your duty: to stand by the woman you've called friend for all your life and do whatever you can to ease her suffering. At least, you think she is suffering. As soon as Oriana was told that Enrico was dead, she shut down and shut everyone--including you--out. You'll continue to be at her beck and call regardless, but her actions, indeed, the actions of everyone in this house, have you wondering if even half of what you thought you knew is actually true.
You have no abilities besides your vote.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
Looking at the yet another dead body in your feet, then at the remaining other people, you were once again reminded of the cold truth of your predicament. It wasn't still over. There was still going to be more deaths, and with only handful of people alive, your own chances of survival were getting smaller and smaller with every death...
It's now Night 6. Day 7 will start in ~24 hours.
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You can't sleep. You are not certain how much of it is because of the stress and anxiousness of the past few days and how much due to last evening's attempt to cook dinner by the remaining you (maybe killing the head maid wasn't that good of an idea). Still, you try to calm yourself and catch some sleep. You can go on without a proper dinner for a day or two, but you need some sleep.
You are uncertain when you actually drifted to sleep, but you wake up much later than usually. With only handful of people remaining, there isn't much ruckus in the morning. You make your way to the lobby where the others had gathered (with some snacks and fruits much to your delight). Even with you present, it seems like there are still two more people missing. You all wait a bit longer, but soon atmosphere gets too heavy and one of you heads out of the room towards the rooms of the missing people. Everyone else followed the suit, and it soon becomes apparent why there were two missing people.
You find both Enrico's brother Nicolas dead in his room, full of bullets. Next to him, on the floor you find dead Cecilio, holding an empty gun in his hand...
KamikazeArchon has been found dead! They were:
Nicolas (Town)
“Nico! Oh Nico, always so serious, why don’t you sit down, have a drink with us to remember your brother’s life.” Ah family, always the same, “Nico,” or “uncle” or whatever else you were to them. You’d think they’d leave this issue alone by now, everyone knows you don’t drink; you find in your line of work it gets in the way. Of course they may say you’re not working, after all, your brother was the one writing your checks, proverbially anyway. And giving you names. But of course you’re working, you haven’t stopped working in decades; how could you? Once you started fixing for your older brother, you made a lot of enemies.
It doesn’t bother you though, you liked the killing even. You were always good at it. You’ve spent much less time actually killing as you’ve gotten older, and more time avoiding getting killed. Age is catching up to you, even as the younger brother, you’re greying. And yet, just like Enrico ahead of you, you’ll probably die long before you really retire. You have no false hope about it, you’ll probably not die of old age either, as you suspect happened to your brother. But for now, you’ll keep working, because if you’re going to go, someone is going to work for it.
Oh you’ll play this little game; part of a great family, with all its history and legacy; but not your legacy. You respected your brother, and you benefitted greatly from his endeavors, but he’s dead. And you’re not here to pay respects, you’ve seen and caused too much death for that; you’re here to find out what really happened to him, and if necessary, repay in kind.
You have the following abilities:
Fixer (2-shot): Each night you may target a player and teach them how to swim...with the fishes. (You kill them)
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
Highroller has been found dead! They were:
Cecilio (Town)
Your fiancée Beatrice has a really nice family. That was your first thought when she introduced her family to you some time after you had begun dating. You still remember how you had been really anxious to meet them, but that soon had melted away when you met them in person. Sure, the whole family seemed bit eccentric with their huge collection of guns (both ancient and brand-new ones), torture devices and other things that might've seemed bit weird to someone else, but not you!
Your late grandfather had also been a historian and had amassed a huge collection of similar objects back when he was alive! That's why you knew right from the start that Beatrice's father was also a huge fan of history and collector. He seemed really exhilarated when you had told him that your late grandfather had also been in the same business as he was in right now and showed him your knowledge about all kinds of guns. It surprised even you how quickly he had accepted you as a part of his family.
While Beatrice's brothers had been mostly working on their family business (And you still had no clear idea what exactly that is, as every time you asked them, they just jokingly answered "mafia business" every time) and Beatrice and her mother had been in charge of running the mansion, you had taken upon yourself to help the family with their finances. You did have a degree in accounting and it would've been really shameful if you couldn't help your fiancée's family at all, especially now that you had been accepted into their family.
Still, the sudden death of Beatrice's father had somehow caused a huge change in the atmosphere. Everyone seemed much more tense now. Everyone, even your beloved Beatrice, seemed much more secretive and less talkative now. You decided in your mind that you should talk to her about this whole matter when the night comes and it's just you two in your own private room. Maybe that'll help her to relax and put her mind to ease for now...
You have the following ability:
Private Quarters (passive): You can chat freely here with your fiancée Beatrice during nights:
You have another ability that will unlock after Beatrice dies.
Vendetta (1-shot): You may target and kill a player at night.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
With only 3 of you alive, you all know that this is it. It's kill or be killed. The last day has arrived.
It's now Day 7. With 3 alive, it’s 2 to lynch. Deadline is on May 5th
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
With two more deaths, people started panicking! Obviously, you were all going to be next, right? That's when you realised, that the grandson of Enrico was still looking rather sleepy! Certainly, he was sleepy since he had stayed up and killed the other two, right? Before he actually wakes up, you better get rid of him you all think, and shoot him without giving it a second thought!
Sir Chris has been lynched! They were:
Gian (Town)
You’ve spent most of your life without having to lift a finger. As the firstborn grandson to Enrico, you always knew that if you wanted something, it was yours. As you’ve grown into young adulthood, this has made you somewhat insulated to the real world, and the troubles that can and have manifested from the death of your grandfather have been quite the shock on you.
You’re being restricted, you’ve not been able to go out with you friends, your father Alfonzo even told you to shut up a few nights ago, and you weren’t even asking that much, just to take the car out for some joy riding to blow off some steam.
And the worst part is that because of the possible “danger” (whatever, old people die all the right?) you’re being forced to wear a Kevlar vest at all times. What a buzzkill.
Safety Measures (passive): The first kill attempted against you will fail.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
Now, the traitors and most certainly disposed of and you can rest assured and focus on splitting the inheritance between the remaining two of you.
"Hey, so do you think we can split the inh--" starts the sharp-looking woman, but never finished her sentence as a scalpel is rammed into her chest with all of the might of the other person.
Killjoy has been endgamed! They were:
Manuela (Town)
You've always had it easy when it came to reading people. Ever since you were young, you could always instinctively tell whether or not someone was lying to you or tried to hide something from you. Friends and family alike learned quickly that it was useless to try to hide things from you. Perhaps it were these things that lead you to pursuit the career choice that seemed bit weird to your family back then: lawyer.
However, your skill soon turned out to a huge boon for you, as it allowed skillfully to rip down your opponents defenses and make them lose their face in the court room. You could always dig up some mud on your opponents and even when they had a point, you could sling mud and taint their reputation so badly that in the end, it didn't even matter that they were right you and you were wrong.
Even after you lent your services to this family, they soon learned to respect (and fear) you and your skills. You could always tell if someone was hiding something from you and if you wanted, you could dig up what exactly was that thing that they tried to hide away from you. Most of the time you didn't bother, as you quite quickly learned that everyone in this family had some secrets they didn't want to be exposed to the public or to the rest of the family. And be keeping your mouth shut, you earned friends (or maybe it was better to say that you didn't actively earn enemies) and you had much easier time asking people in this family for small favours, since no one wanted you to go ahead and blabber about the things they wanted to remain secrets.
Still, having been working for this family for someone time, you have gotten to know all the people here quite well. While you know that most of the people here have all kinds of secrets that makes reading them much harder than most people you meet, you also know that there are people that you can read like a book and can't hide anything from you. Maybe you should focus on those people first and then go from there, as you try to discern whose secret is "wanting to murder everyone in this house" and whose is something less deadly for you like "hidden stash of antique wines".
You have the following ability:
Le Familiarità (passive): At the beginning of a game, you will be told the identity and alignment of another player in this game.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
"Whew. That was quite stressful, but now you can rest in peace, my dear brother" whispered the only person alive. With everyone related to Enrico dead, you know your revenge is finally done. You have paid it all back tenfold and with interests!
Rodemy has survived! They were:
Rafaele (Mafia)
"You are my most trusted and valuable aide". You can't even count how many times you were told those words by the late head of the family. You've faithfully tended his and others wounds, done the check-ups and otherwise guaranteed that everyone in this family stays in good shape. Still, the pretty words won't help you pay your bills and make a living. It would've been nice if this "most trusted and valuable aide" crap had also shown up on your salary, considering that working as a person physician to mafia family meant that you were always under constant danger. You never knew when a hitman from competing mafia family might show up and decide to get rid of you.
You've dedicated your life to this family and still, it feels like they are taking you and your services for granted. You've been around longer than most of the people here, only rivaled by now-dead Enrico and his widowed wife Oriana. It wouldn't kill them to give you an inch of respect and maybe even listen to you and your opinions at times, but no, apparently too much asked from this family.
You had already pondered about quitting working for this family and moving some other place, far away from this family, when couple of weeks ago, Enrico ordered a fellow doctor of you to be killed, only since he had helped a rivaling mafia family in the past. No matter how you asked and pleaded, no one listened to you and your fellow doctor was killed. What they did not know (apart from Enrico, who you told about this), that doctor was your youngest brother.
That was the last straw that turned this all into personal for you. At this point, you want nothing more than to see this whole family along with its mansion to be wiped from face of the Earth. Maybe they will finally start to appreciate you a bit in their last moments when they no longer have nor your services at their disposal...
You have the following abilities:
Difendere: Target a player. Tonight, you will use protect that player from all killing abilities.
You win when mafia has gained control of the game.
Even though the taste of victory is sweet, there's no time to be lost. Certainly, someone will notice sooner or later that the mansion has been quite quiet lately and you don't have time to hide the bodies, so you better make sure you are faraway from here (with all the money) before that happens. Luckily, you don't need to share it with anyone anymore. It's all yours. You earned it.
Death in the Family Mafia has ended in Mafia Win! Thank you for everyone participating in this game!
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm currently thinking it's Tom. It's never KA I don't think with Lngrrr. He had his vote on Lngrrr basically from start of day.
It could still be Chris. But much less so than Tom.
Also, RE was suspicious of tomsloger, and he also suspected LnGrrrR, whereas LnGrrrR's mafia reveal surprised me, so I'ma defer to his judgement.
I am a gaffe machine this game.
vote tomsloger
I think youre all bad for not seeing how obviously town i am from mindreavers posts alone, but hey. It's all gucci
vote kami
Gut says kami>hr>chris>kj>rod
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Proceeds to make five posts, none of which involve voting tomsloger.
Yeah, I'm totally ok with saying lynch Sir Chris if tomsloger flips town. Something weird's going on here.
tomsloger, point to me which post clears you again?
I'll go find them after work
Not that hard of a concept!
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2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
God i had half the team early day 1 and they both just wanted me to go away.
Also not gonna look right now but when anak replaced in I gave him zero ******* quarter and he treated me the same.
Like I get I'm too good as scum for anyone to want to read into my side, even though i actively scumread mindslot from page 3 on, and am (imo) at least as responsible for the anak lynch as Chris. I never townread vaimes and in fact tried to talk both grape and kj out of townreading him.
My vaimes/lngrr unalignment was wrong and quite unfortunate. But outside that i was on lngrr a long time as well.
My townreads have been good afaict. Last, grape, RE. As well as kj and the chris/dv slot for a long time if theyre both town as well.
Yes i joined the rhand and tubba mislynches. And pushed osi and vez. But that's still a damn good percentage on scumreads imo.
So yeah why the **** am I getting voted again?
You yesterday: If LnGrrrR's mafia, tomsloger is 100% definitely mafia, we lynch him and gg.
You today: Well hang on, give me some time to think about things.
I'm the weird one?
Like I served up anak slot on a platter even when dealing with osi's intentionally scummy ass, and hammered him and lngrr. Think its pretty clear I would have done the same to vaimes.
I'm really just never scum here git gud
I do think Chris trying to lynch me over vaimes or lngrr (or even vez/kami) a couple days ago is kinda so bad and he's too good as town and that should make him scum but God dv was townie...
Idk its whatever
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Last(5): hr,vez, rod,Grape, kami321
Grape(5):rhand,anak, tom,Vaimes, rod366
Lngrr(5): hr,Last,Vaimes,tubba, tom469
RE(8): hr,Grape,anak, Kami,Vaimes,Last, rhand, tubba1467
rhand(9):RE, Chris,Vaimes, Kami,tubba, vez, rod, tom,Last1812
Kami (5):
Lngrr, Anak,osi, vez, chris2149
Osi(7): rod,vez,Lngrr, tom, Hr,Vaimes,Grape2712
Lngrr(5):tubba,Vaimes, Hr, kami, rod3199
Vez(5): Hr, tom, Kj,Vaimes, kami3265
Vaimes(6):vez, tom,Grape, rod,Lngrr, Kami3316
tubba(7): Chris, tom,Vaimes,grape, rod,Lngrr,vez3663
Vaimes(6):Vez, Chris,Lngrr, Kami, Rod,Vaimes3835
Lngrr(5): Kami, Chris,RE, Rod, tomD1 lngrr wagon peak:
LnGrr (5): HR, Last, vaimes, tubba, tom
Grape (3): Rhand, anak, Rod
Kami (1): Grape
Kj (1): vez
Last (1): Kami
Rhand (1): LnGrr
tom (1): chris
Tubba (1): Kj
Not voting: RE, osi
Right after this is the tau gambit.
Leading to
RE (6): HR, grape, Mind, kami, vaimes, Last
LnGrr (1): tubba
Mind (1):tom
Grape (2): Rhand, Rod
Kj (1): vez
Rhand (1): LnGrr
tom (1): chris
Tubba (1): Kj
Not voting: re, osi
I’m iffy about you now
What ability did you get?
1-shot nightkill.
That lngrr wagon peaking literally posts before the tau gambit is a bit awkward for analysis purposes, but we can see anak and vaimes happily jumped on etr slot and lngrr was just solo voting dead town at the time as well.
Especially if kami is scum too the tau gambit actually functioned... in that it was so stupid that a bunch of scum piled on
(You wanted the bike? Now you’ve got to ride it!)
tomsloger (2): Highroller, KamikazeArchon
KamikazeArchon (1): tomsloger
Not Voting (3): Rodemy, Sir Chris, Killjoy
V/LA: KamikazeArchon (April 26th-28th, May 3rd-5th)
With 6 alive, it’s 4 to lynch. Deadline is on May 6th.
vote tom
Still think its incredibly stupid and it's super obvious that im town by interactions and pushes.
Have a fun lylo if game doesn't end with hr shooting kami (which he should if that claim was real)
Kj and Kami look the scummiest from it.
Kj just staying out of wagons and casing towntubba as well as discrediting the lngrr wagon. Still doesn't make sense for him to have had a n0 on grape with lngrr flip, and iirc he confirmed he knew flavor. So thinking just town playing proscum
Kamis entire day 1 is straight garbage
Ugh
Crazy now that im thinking about it that no one even talked about the second vig claim but I didn't either too focused on being stupidly suspected
tomsloger (4): Highroller, KamikazeArchon, Rodemy, Killjoy
KamikazeArchon (1): tomsloger
Not Voting (1): Sir Chris
Thats a lynch, twilight will likely last a few hours.
Highroller doing anything with his shot other than shooting Kami is a scumclaim
... well that is interesting. I missed that.
Hi Tom I am assuming you arent playing 4d chess we can discuss some things post game about town play!
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Me being town is legitimately one of the easiest reads in this thread
otherwise I guess it's HR?
anyway I'm sick so this is good timing. GLGL all
With most of the residents dead, the remaining few all seemed to be very anxious. The deaths had certainly taken their toll on everyone, and at this point, people just wanted to be over with all this. There was no more discussion or arguing. At this point, people were willing to kill just anyone slightly suspicious as long as it was someone else than them.
And considering that the previous traitor had been the old butler of the house, it was only natural that they other elder employee of this house came under some heavy suspicion. If a butler was one of the traitors, then why couldn't the head maid also be part of the traitors?
The day had barely even started when one of you just darted at the gun, and without even any attempt at discretion, aimed it at the head maid's forehead and pulled the trigger once more:
tomsloger has been lynched! They were:
If Oriana is the steadfast pillar of the Family, you are the mason that maintains that pillar. The two of you met when you were both just girls, growing up together, falling in love side-by-side, serving each other as damigelle d'onore. And when your husband, Vicente, turned out to be as quick with his fists as he was in wit and seduction, Oriana had whispered in Enrico's ear...and you no longer had to worry about Vicente. In the aftermath of that horrible time, Oriana took you into her own home, the only place you've since felt safe, and gave you purpose and a livelihood as her maid and attendant.
Over the years, you've demonstrated both your worth and devotion, learning the little peccadilloes of everyone under this roof, finding carrots and sticks to be used as appropriate, and ensuring that only concerns of significance are even voiced in Oriana's presence. This allows her to run her household without being bothered by the little trifles of life, of which, unfortunately, there are many.
Your husband was a pig, but Oriana's husband, despite being a killer, was a man of honor who respected his wife. In this desperate hour, you know your duty: to stand by the woman you've called friend for all your life and do whatever you can to ease her suffering. At least, you think she is suffering. As soon as Oriana was told that Enrico was dead, she shut down and shut everyone--including you--out. You'll continue to be at her beck and call regardless, but her actions, indeed, the actions of everyone in this house, have you wondering if even half of what you thought you knew is actually true.
You have no abilities besides your vote.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
Looking at the yet another dead body in your feet, then at the remaining other people, you were once again reminded of the cold truth of your predicament. It wasn't still over. There was still going to be more deaths, and with only handful of people alive, your own chances of survival were getting smaller and smaller with every death...
It's now Night 6. Day 7 will start in ~24 hours.
You can't sleep. You are not certain how much of it is because of the stress and anxiousness of the past few days and how much due to last evening's attempt to cook dinner by the remaining you (maybe killing the head maid wasn't that good of an idea). Still, you try to calm yourself and catch some sleep. You can go on without a proper dinner for a day or two, but you need some sleep.
You are uncertain when you actually drifted to sleep, but you wake up much later than usually. With only handful of people remaining, there isn't much ruckus in the morning. You make your way to the lobby where the others had gathered (with some snacks and fruits much to your delight). Even with you present, it seems like there are still two more people missing. You all wait a bit longer, but soon atmosphere gets too heavy and one of you heads out of the room towards the rooms of the missing people. Everyone else followed the suit, and it soon becomes apparent why there were two missing people.
You find both Enrico's brother Nicolas dead in his room, full of bullets. Next to him, on the floor you find dead Cecilio, holding an empty gun in his hand...
KamikazeArchon has been found dead! They were:
“Nico! Oh Nico, always so serious, why don’t you sit down, have a drink with us to remember your brother’s life.” Ah family, always the same, “Nico,” or “uncle” or whatever else you were to them. You’d think they’d leave this issue alone by now, everyone knows you don’t drink; you find in your line of work it gets in the way. Of course they may say you’re not working, after all, your brother was the one writing your checks, proverbially anyway. And giving you names. But of course you’re working, you haven’t stopped working in decades; how could you? Once you started fixing for your older brother, you made a lot of enemies.
It doesn’t bother you though, you liked the killing even. You were always good at it. You’ve spent much less time actually killing as you’ve gotten older, and more time avoiding getting killed. Age is catching up to you, even as the younger brother, you’re greying. And yet, just like Enrico ahead of you, you’ll probably die long before you really retire. You have no false hope about it, you’ll probably not die of old age either, as you suspect happened to your brother. But for now, you’ll keep working, because if you’re going to go, someone is going to work for it.
Oh you’ll play this little game; part of a great family, with all its history and legacy; but not your legacy. You respected your brother, and you benefitted greatly from his endeavors, but he’s dead. And you’re not here to pay respects, you’ve seen and caused too much death for that; you’re here to find out what really happened to him, and if necessary, repay in kind.
You have the following abilities:
Fixer (2-shot): Each night you may target a player and teach them how to swim...with the fishes. (You kill them)
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
Highroller has been found dead! They were:
Your fiancée Beatrice has a really nice family. That was your first thought when she introduced her family to you some time after you had begun dating. You still remember how you had been really anxious to meet them, but that soon had melted away when you met them in person. Sure, the whole family seemed bit eccentric with their huge collection of guns (both ancient and brand-new ones), torture devices and other things that might've seemed bit weird to someone else, but not you!
Your late grandfather had also been a historian and had amassed a huge collection of similar objects back when he was alive! That's why you knew right from the start that Beatrice's father was also a huge fan of history and collector. He seemed really exhilarated when you had told him that your late grandfather had also been in the same business as he was in right now and showed him your knowledge about all kinds of guns. It surprised even you how quickly he had accepted you as a part of his family.
While Beatrice's brothers had been mostly working on their family business (And you still had no clear idea what exactly that is, as every time you asked them, they just jokingly answered "mafia business" every time) and Beatrice and her mother had been in charge of running the mansion, you had taken upon yourself to help the family with their finances. You did have a degree in accounting and it would've been really shameful if you couldn't help your fiancée's family at all, especially now that you had been accepted into their family.
Still, the sudden death of Beatrice's father had somehow caused a huge change in the atmosphere. Everyone seemed much more tense now. Everyone, even your beloved Beatrice, seemed much more secretive and less talkative now. You decided in your mind that you should talk to her about this whole matter when the night comes and it's just you two in your own private room. Maybe that'll help her to relax and put her mind to ease for now...
You have the following ability:
Private Quarters (passive): You can chat freely here with your fiancée Beatrice during nights:
You have another ability that will unlock after Beatrice dies.
Vendetta (1-shot): You may target and kill a player at night.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
With only 3 of you alive, you all know that this is it. It's kill or be killed. The last day has arrived.
It's now Day 7. With 3 alive, it’s 2 to lynch. Deadline is on May 5th
vote chris
vote Chris
(The hasty cat gave birth to blind kittens.)
Sir Chris (2): Rodemy, Killjoy
Not Voting (1): Sir Chris
Thats a lynch, End of Game scene coming soon!
I won.
Oh I meant we won. Sorry I’m excited that I made it to the end
With two more deaths, people started panicking! Obviously, you were all going to be next, right? That's when you realised, that the grandson of Enrico was still looking rather sleepy! Certainly, he was sleepy since he had stayed up and killed the other two, right? Before he actually wakes up, you better get rid of him you all think, and shoot him without giving it a second thought!
Sir Chris has been lynched! They were:
You’ve spent most of your life without having to lift a finger. As the firstborn grandson to Enrico, you always knew that if you wanted something, it was yours. As you’ve grown into young adulthood, this has made you somewhat insulated to the real world, and the troubles that can and have manifested from the death of your grandfather have been quite the shock on you.
You’re being restricted, you’ve not been able to go out with you friends, your father Alfonzo even told you to shut up a few nights ago, and you weren’t even asking that much, just to take the car out for some joy riding to blow off some steam.
And the worst part is that because of the possible “danger” (whatever, old people die all the right?) you’re being forced to wear a Kevlar vest at all times. What a buzzkill.
Safety Measures (passive): The first kill attempted against you will fail.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
Now, the traitors and most certainly disposed of and you can rest assured and focus on splitting the inheritance between the remaining two of you.
"Hey, so do you think we can split the inh--" starts the sharp-looking woman, but never finished her sentence as a scalpel is rammed into her chest with all of the might of the other person.
Killjoy has been endgamed! They were:
You've always had it easy when it came to reading people. Ever since you were young, you could always instinctively tell whether or not someone was lying to you or tried to hide something from you. Friends and family alike learned quickly that it was useless to try to hide things from you. Perhaps it were these things that lead you to pursuit the career choice that seemed bit weird to your family back then: lawyer.
However, your skill soon turned out to a huge boon for you, as it allowed skillfully to rip down your opponents defenses and make them lose their face in the court room. You could always dig up some mud on your opponents and even when they had a point, you could sling mud and taint their reputation so badly that in the end, it didn't even matter that they were right you and you were wrong.
Even after you lent your services to this family, they soon learned to respect (and fear) you and your skills. You could always tell if someone was hiding something from you and if you wanted, you could dig up what exactly was that thing that they tried to hide away from you. Most of the time you didn't bother, as you quite quickly learned that everyone in this family had some secrets they didn't want to be exposed to the public or to the rest of the family. And be keeping your mouth shut, you earned friends (or maybe it was better to say that you didn't actively earn enemies) and you had much easier time asking people in this family for small favours, since no one wanted you to go ahead and blabber about the things they wanted to remain secrets.
Still, having been working for this family for someone time, you have gotten to know all the people here quite well. While you know that most of the people here have all kinds of secrets that makes reading them much harder than most people you meet, you also know that there are people that you can read like a book and can't hide anything from you. Maybe you should focus on those people first and then go from there, as you try to discern whose secret is "wanting to murder everyone in this house" and whose is something less deadly for you like "hidden stash of antique wines".
You have the following ability:
Le Familiarità (passive): At the beginning of a game, you will be told the identity and alignment of another player in this game.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
"Whew. That was quite stressful, but now you can rest in peace, my dear brother" whispered the only person alive. With everyone related to Enrico dead, you know your revenge is finally done. You have paid it all back tenfold and with interests!
Rodemy has survived! They were:
"You are my most trusted and valuable aide". You can't even count how many times you were told those words by the late head of the family. You've faithfully tended his and others wounds, done the check-ups and otherwise guaranteed that everyone in this family stays in good shape. Still, the pretty words won't help you pay your bills and make a living. It would've been nice if this "most trusted and valuable aide" crap had also shown up on your salary, considering that working as a person physician to mafia family meant that you were always under constant danger. You never knew when a hitman from competing mafia family might show up and decide to get rid of you.
You've dedicated your life to this family and still, it feels like they are taking you and your services for granted. You've been around longer than most of the people here, only rivaled by now-dead Enrico and his widowed wife Oriana. It wouldn't kill them to give you an inch of respect and maybe even listen to you and your opinions at times, but no, apparently too much asked from this family.
You had already pondered about quitting working for this family and moving some other place, far away from this family, when couple of weeks ago, Enrico ordered a fellow doctor of you to be killed, only since he had helped a rivaling mafia family in the past. No matter how you asked and pleaded, no one listened to you and your fellow doctor was killed. What they did not know (apart from Enrico, who you told about this), that doctor was your youngest brother.
That was the last straw that turned this all into personal for you. At this point, you want nothing more than to see this whole family along with its mansion to be wiped from face of the Earth. Maybe they will finally start to appreciate you a bit in their last moments when they no longer have nor your services at their disposal...
You have the following abilities:
Difendere: Target a player. Tonight, you will use protect that player from all killing abilities.
You win when mafia has gained control of the game.
Even though the taste of victory is sweet, there's no time to be lost. Certainly, someone will notice sooner or later that the mansion has been quite quiet lately and you don't have time to hide the bodies, so you better make sure you are faraway from here (with all the money) before that happens. Luckily, you don't need to share it with anyone anymore. It's all yours. You earned it.
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