KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
And protected the town roleblocker and town osi from death from scum anak lynch and an eventual scum vaimes lynch.
Because "scum like to do something or another"
Your vase against me is horribly flawed.
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Actually for it to be me and ka scum had to try to kill lngrr night 2. If you think I am scum and ka is scum explain nk n2?
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KJ, Sir Chris is voting me. Why would you think I am out of his POE?
You have been doing these weird pokes all game at me and others, but I don't know if you have committed to a single read and pushed it.
I still don't quite understand you saving Grape, but maybe you just figured you would get town cred then and later after you NK'D him.
Between you, Chris and Tom, the latter two have been pushing and lynched scum. Whereas you have been active but I don't feel like you have really made a mark.
Actually for it to be me and ka scum had to try to kill lngrr night 2. If you think I am scum and ka is scum explain nk n2?
That... is a fair point. I'd forgotten about that.
Yeah you're right. You're not scum together.
When did you move LnGrrR out of PoE?
KJ I know you don't like it when I accuse you of not reading the game but in my series of posts I laid out how I thought lngrr/tom was the poe. I was just speculating in "your world" of chris/KA that the only possible way that pairing works is if scum shot lngrr and he was protected by rodemy's jk which, as you have now realized, makes no sense.
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Also I am sorry Lngrrr but I don't think this situation looks good for you as while KJ has been a silly guy in regards to me don't think that vote is going to work out for you very well.
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@Chris, eh, maybe, maybe not. When I have more time (read: my 2 year old sleeps more than 3 hours at a time), I will ISO him. But I am fine here for now. He has given me a weird vibe these past 2 Days, and I feel like if KJ were town, GF'S flip would embolden him to be like, "See told you" and start treating himself like confirmed town. Instead he has pretty much seemed the same, letting you and Tom do the heavy lifting.
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Eh, I don't really team building like that. If for some reason it makes absolutely no sense, then I note it. Otherwise, I usually don't really pay attention to that until ISO, and even then it is mostly interactions with conformed slots.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You presented a Chris/KA scum team, so since there are only two scum Lngrrr would then be town under that scenario.
So I asked you about my claim as it relates to a world where Lngrrr is town. I am unsure if I was unclear, I do tend to say a lot.
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I'm fine following Sir Chris for the rest of the game, unless something presents itself against his favor, which nothing damning has so far and likely will never.
It might just be LnGrrrR/tom. Insanely curious as to what abilities the neighbors unlock, but don't think we'll find out before the end of the game. Not at all hoping it's a vig shot (creds to vez) so I can get Kami.
KJ vote from LnGrrrR is bad. Highroller pursuing KJ is probably within his town meta, not so much LnGrrrR. Again, his case can be literally summarized as "they haven't done much." (When arguably, this is the towniest game I've seen from KJ, sample size 2.) Also him giving Kami a pass for his claim over KJ's, when Kami claimed during a safe zone (there was no evidence a vig existed in the set up), while KJ claimed day 1 with no counterclaim to his investigative ability, is just wrong.
So I'm not sure what the VC is, but I'm probably voting LnGrrrR today.
Sure I'll feel foolish if KJ is actually scum... But something something Occam's Razor. Also I should probably double check to see which of EtR/Tau claimed the hidden ability first.
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... Are we seriously going to have another day in which everyone agrees that KamikazeArchon is suspicious and yet he still survives at the end of the day?
Well 2/4 days are lynched scum also he isnt in my scum team so
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
... Are we seriously going to have another day in which everyone agrees that KamikazeArchon is suspicious and yet he still survives at the end of the day?
Vaimes' abilities change my mind a little on Kami, and tom looks cornered.
It makes little sense for mafia to have a protect (jailkeep) ability on their team without there being another killing power out there.
This isn't a lock clear or anything, there's a decent chance one of our own abilities may even overlap without something claimed now. But I think it's something in favor of his claim being real, and makes it worth looking elsewhere for now because there should be at least one more out there.
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@Re, while I haven't particularly liked Kamis play, Vaimes flipping redirector/jailer means that Kami likely is a vig. Otherwise, what's the redirect for?
@KJ, eh, I don't have you on lockscum, you just keep pinging me weirdly. I'm a little flailly. Re: Tom's analysis, I know I am not scum so somewhat hard to analyze it properly. I mean, I would think pushing him for the last 3 days and being the l2 vote on him would get people to pay attention, but *shrug*
@Re, while I haven't particularly liked Kamis play, Vaimes flipping redirector/jailer means that Kami likely is a vig. Otherwise, what's the redirect for?
You had Kami as town long before Vaimes flipped.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If someone had a role that would "solve the protectives," I feel like they would have claimed by now?
So what is it - 1-shot jailkeeper, full roleblocker, and a bodyguard that can't be protected (does this mean even from a roleblocked mafia member performing the kill?)
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If someone had a role that would "solve the protectives," I feel like they would have claimed by now?
So what is it - 1-shot jailkeeper, full roleblocker, and a bodyguard that can't be protected (does this mean even from a roleblocked mafia member performing the kill?)
In addition to whatever the hell we are.
Does anyone have a list of the claimed power roles?
I am a Bulletproof who chooses to activate my guards, and if I am not shot I lose the ability.
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Honestly my role is very weak aside from the fact that it was me who inherited it. Why I believed a lot of protection.
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I am a Bulletproof who chooses to activate my guards, and if I am not shot I lose the ability.
Right, I forgot about you
WOw that's a lot actually
What do mafia have exactly, I have to wonder, if these are all real o.O
Tbh I think if they aren't all real, the one who should get the most scrutiny is Rodemy. Since he could have claimed Vaimes' ability with little accountability, and as scum, would know that the factional kill was aimed elsewhere (and so whoever actually stopped the kill would claim it). Another reason LnGrrrR is the best lynch for today.
May just be paranoia, but a game I was in just ended where scum claimed tracker day 3 in a neighbor chat and used it to make himself look townie by trying to clear a town player based on his own results. So something's off here.
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Did Rodemy claim his flavor? May be nothing, but may be something
Also, why?
You're probably right (in that there may be fake claims available), but flavor does tie to abilities.
Sir Chris' bulletproof ability - he loses it if no one attacks him the night he uses it because his bodyguards get annoyed.
My flavor is the fiance of Highroller's flavor - hence the neighbor chat (and the unknown factor in each other's alignments).
I think Vaimes' jailkeep gave him the ability to invite someone over to their room, roleblocking them and protecting them from kills.
I'd be curious of your story, if your claim is true. My tinfoil theory on you being scum requires you to have claimed Vaimes' ability for yourself, without risk of a counterclaim since scum possessed the original. That means you don't have a story, and would need to create one - making room for mistakes.
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Did Rodemy claim his flavor? May be nothing, but may be something
Also, why?
You're probably right (in that there may be fake claims available), but flavor does tie to abilities.
Sir Chris' bulletproof ability - he loses it if no one attacks him the night he uses it because his bodyguards get annoyed.
My flavor is the fiance of Highroller's flavor - hence the neighbor chat (and the unknown factor in each other's alignments).
I think Vaimes' jailkeep gave him the ability to invite someone over to their room, roleblocking them and protecting them from kills.
I'd be curious of your story, if your claim is true. My tinfoil theory on you being scum requires you to have claimed Vaimes' ability for yourself, without risk of a counterclaim since scum possessed the original. That means you don't have a story, and would need to create one - making room for mistakes.
aaaaaand....
If he were scum he would know Lngrrr was not involved in the lack of kills, but rather they shot me and it didn't go through.
It's not the worst tinfoil theory actually.
Having a roleblocker and a 1 use jailkeeper is pretty strange, I've ignored that because well I mean Rodemy has been thought of as town. But he hasn't been killed yet either.
hoho, maybe 4 protection was off all along...!
Also, why not tell us your flavor, Rodemy? Rather rude of you if I do say so myself. Tell us a story, good sir.
I am at the very least intrigued.
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Also yeah. I claim vaimes ability and then... push for his lynch to intentionally out myself?
Where the hell is that scum?
Vaimes was crumbling, you were nearly lock clear by most of the game. Confirmation bias is a thing and would have gotten you far, very far. Tom, LnGrrrR, myself, and maybe Highroller and Kami may have been lynched before you. Which is enough people for you to win, as scum. It's a risky gambit, but plausible given the mechanical overlapping in this game. Claiming first is usually +town, but comes with a cost when all of this happens. Bussing when it's not necessary, the meta clears you were receiving for approaching the game differently this time around (from Ghostbusters) when it was your aggressive/overeager approach that caused you to slip in that game - it's not crazy other than there are scummier players around currently.
So LnGrrrR always comes first.
I'd ask you what your reads are right now, but I haven't reread in days, so I'll do that first.
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And protected the town roleblocker and town osi from death from scum anak lynch and an eventual scum vaimes lynch.
Because "scum like to do something or another"
Your vase against me is horribly flawed.
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Would be awesome if my tom/Kami team from earlier was a thing, but scum jailkeep ability without a vig seems unlikely.
tom feels cornered :I
Can't push me because it'd out him to me, and there aren't other places to go.
Yeah you're right. You're not scum together.
When did you move LnGrrR out of PoE?
KJ, Sir Chris is voting me. Why would you think I am out of his POE?
You have been doing these weird pokes all game at me and others, but I don't know if you have committed to a single read and pushed it.
I still don't quite understand you saving Grape, but maybe you just figured you would get town cred then and later after you NK'D him.
Between you, Chris and Tom, the latter two have been pushing and lynched scum. Whereas you have been active but I don't feel like you have really made a mark.
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KJ I know you don't like it when I accuse you of not reading the game but in my series of posts I laid out how I thought lngrr/tom was the poe. I was just speculating in "your world" of chris/KA that the only possible way that pairing works is if scum shot lngrr and he was protected by rodemy's jk which, as you have now realized, makes no sense.
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Eh, I don't really team building like that. If for some reason it makes absolutely no sense, then I note it. Otherwise, I usually don't really pay attention to that until ISO, and even then it is mostly interactions with conformed slots.
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@LnGrrR: How can you think I'm scum? I haven't mislynched anyone this game at all. Remember how I'm on a roll this game?
You presented a Chris/KA scum team, so since there are only two scum Lngrrr would then be town under that scenario.
So I asked you about my claim as it relates to a world where Lngrrr is town. I am unsure if I was unclear, I do tend to say a lot.
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Because I am having a hard time finding scum. I really need to reread. But the past two Days you have been feeling weird to me.
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It might just be LnGrrrR/tom. Insanely curious as to what abilities the neighbors unlock, but don't think we'll find out before the end of the game.
Not at all hoping it's a vig shot (creds to vez) so I can get Kami.KJ vote from LnGrrrR is bad. Highroller pursuing KJ is probably within his town meta, not so much LnGrrrR. Again, his case can be literally summarized as "they haven't done much." (When arguably, this is the towniest game I've seen from KJ, sample size 2.) Also him giving Kami a pass for his claim over KJ's, when Kami claimed during a safe zone (there was no evidence a vig existed in the set up), while KJ claimed day 1 with no counterclaim to his investigative ability, is just wrong.
So I'm not sure what the VC is, but I'm probably voting LnGrrrR today.
Sure I'll feel foolish if KJ is actually scum... But something something Occam's Razor. Also I should probably double check to see which of EtR/Tau claimed the hidden ability first.
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It makes little sense for mafia to have a protect (jailkeep) ability on their team without there being another killing power out there.
This isn't a lock clear or anything, there's a decent chance one of our own abilities may even overlap without something claimed now. But I think it's something in favor of his claim being real, and makes it worth looking elsewhere for now because there should be at least one more out there.
I think pushing me based on my reads is ludicrous. Think ive been objectively townie/solvey. Haven't seen a legitimate reason to suspect me.
@KJ, eh, I don't have you on lockscum, you just keep pinging me weirdly. I'm a little flailly. Re: Tom's analysis, I know I am not scum so somewhat hard to analyze it properly. I mean, I would think pushing him for the last 3 days and being the l2 vote on him would get people to pay attention, but *shrug*
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I will sit down tomorrow and dedicate some time to this, scouts honor.
Happy Easter. It sucks for my job though so I will likely not post the rest of today. Waiting on claims anyway.
Already claimed.
I'm VT though. Just fyi
So what is it - 1-shot jailkeeper, full roleblocker, and a bodyguard that can't be protected (does this mean even from a roleblocked mafia member performing the kill?)
Does anyone have a list of the claimed power roles?
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WOw that's a lot actually
What do mafia have exactly, I have to wonder, if these are all real o.O
Tbh I think if they aren't all real, the one who should get the most scrutiny is Rodemy. Since he could have claimed Vaimes' ability with little accountability, and as scum, would know that the factional kill was aimed elsewhere (and so whoever actually stopped the kill would claim it). Another reason LnGrrrR is the best lynch for today.
May just be paranoia, but a game I was in just ended where scum claimed tracker day 3 in a neighbor chat and used it to make himself look townie by trying to clear a town player based on his own results. So something's off here.
Nor am I gonna. Because that won’t give you anything: flavorgaming is wrong.
Also, why?
Sir Chris' bulletproof ability - he loses it if no one attacks him the night he uses it because his bodyguards get annoyed.
My flavor is the fiance of Highroller's flavor - hence the neighbor chat (and the unknown factor in each other's alignments).
I think Vaimes' jailkeep gave him the ability to invite someone over to their room, roleblocking them and protecting them from kills.
I'd be curious of your story, if your claim is true. My tinfoil theory on you being scum requires you to have claimed Vaimes' ability for yourself, without risk of a counterclaim since scum possessed the original. That means you don't have a story, and would need to create one - making room for mistakes.
aaaaaand....
If he were scum he would know Lngrrr was not involved in the lack of kills, but rather they shot me and it didn't go through.
It's not the worst tinfoil theory actually.
Having a roleblocker and a 1 use jailkeeper is pretty strange, I've ignored that because well I mean Rodemy has been thought of as town. But he hasn't been killed yet either.
hoho, maybe 4 protection was off all along...!
Also, why not tell us your flavor, Rodemy? Rather rude of you if I do say so myself. Tell us a story, good sir.
I am at the very least intrigued.
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I’m a doctor. My younger brother was killed. But I have no idea by who.
I have the opportunity to lock one person in a room and “interrogate” (beat the ***** out of) them.
Where the hell is that scum?
So LnGrrrR always comes first.
I'd ask you what your reads are right now, but I haven't reread in days, so I'll do that first.