And for the record, johnny absolutely doesnt believe im scum right now.
Thats plain in his posts.
Vaimes prolly wouldnt be trying very hard to read me regardless of his alignment but hopping on a tom wagon for the lulz is solidly in his town range
Heres where id be discrediting grapes read if he had literally anything to discredit.
Can kind of see his pushes on me/dv being emboldened by his "conftown" status and that might actually be a townie look for him. Which is a pleasant surprise i still find him scummier than anyone in this game other than mindreaver
So
Fun wagon guys woohoo you might get another vote or two especially if anak/lngrr/kami/tubba are acum have fun with that
I think you could be a wolf. That part is plain in my posts.
And for the record, johnny absolutely doesnt believe im scum right now.
Thats plain in his posts.
Vaimes prolly wouldnt be trying very hard to read me regardless of his alignment but hopping on a tom wagon for the lulz is solidly in his town range
Heres where id be discrediting grapes read if he had literally anything to discredit.
Can kind of see his pushes on me/dv being emboldened by his "conftown" status and that might actually be a townie look for him. Which is a pleasant surprise i still find him scummier than anyone in this game other than mindreaver
So
Fun wagon guys woohoo you might get another vote or two especially if anak/lngrr/kami/tubba are acum have fun with that
I think you could be a wolf. That part is plain in my posts.
yes you felt the need to say i could be
Because of course i could be aint no one gonna argue I'm out of my wolf range
But ive absolutely done more solving than anyone in this game, no one has posited a reason i could be scum that doesnt involve disagreeing with my reads, and the number of teams that makes sense with me on them are objectively shrinking.
Gtfo of course i can be a wolf. Its just less likely because im townie af
And for the record, johnny absolutely doesnt believe im scum right now.
Thats plain in his posts.
Vaimes prolly wouldnt be trying very hard to read me regardless of his alignment but hopping on a tom wagon for the lulz is solidly in his town range
Heres where id be discrediting grapes read if he had literally anything to discredit.
Can kind of see his pushes on me/dv being emboldened by his "conftown" status and that might actually be a townie look for him. Which is a pleasant surprise i still find him scummier than anyone in this game other than mindreaver
So
Fun wagon guys woohoo you might get another vote or two especially if anak/lngrr/kami/tubba are acum have fun with that
I think you could be a wolf. That part is plain in my posts.
yes you felt the need to say i could be
Because of course i could be aint no one gonna argue I'm out of my wolf range
But ive absolutely done more solving than anyone in this game, no one has posited a reason i could be scum that doesnt involve disagreeing with my reads, and the number of teams that makes sense with me on them are objectively shrinking.
Gtfo of course i can be a wolf. Its just less likely because im townie af
If you think i should be townreading you, go do something townie.
And for the record, johnny absolutely doesnt believe im scum right now.
Thats plain in his posts.
Vaimes prolly wouldnt be trying very hard to read me regardless of his alignment but hopping on a tom wagon for the lulz is solidly in his town range
Heres where id be discrediting grapes read if he had literally anything to discredit.
Can kind of see his pushes on me/dv being emboldened by his "conftown" status and that might actually be a townie look for him. Which is a pleasant surprise i still find him scummier than anyone in this game other than mindreaver
So
Fun wagon guys woohoo you might get another vote or two especially if anak/lngrr/kami/tubba are acum have fun with that
tom wagons are usually good for something!
I think your towniness took a nosedive after D1. I can't really point to any evidence ITT aside from you losing your cool for a hot second. You were much townier in Secret Agents, even when I lost faith in that read.
Grape being such a hard scumread just kinda comes off as complete white noise.
Like literally, everything you posted that you don't like from me doesn't make sense from a wolf perspective. You aren't playing this game, you are just raging and thinking illogically. It's actually quite sad.
Maybe you are actually a wolf. Maybe Grape can't be wrong about everything.
if i wanted a truce, id have one Its been clear for quite some time that all i have to do is townread you and you'll return the favor
Im gonna keep voting for scumreads though
I thought LnGrrrr was one of your scumreads? Did I miss another post where that changed?
That highlighted part has nothing to do with ANYTHING YOU SAID.
WHY DID YOU HIGHLIGHT THAT?
WHY?
Vote GJ
I'm over it.
**** this *****. I'm going to oppose anything Grape says or does until this game is over.
**** this *****, I am going to oppose anything DV says or does until this game is over.
Voting me for mis bolding a line. I can't believe you have the nerve to call other players bad, look at you man.
On my worse days I'm better than your best.
Don't even ******* try mate.
Pretty much everything you've said has taken me a Rosetta stone to comprehend today.
Dude, don't even.
You had some paranoia bull***** that I as a mod was out to get you.
Want to know a secret?
I didn't give a ***** when I used to moderate. The fact that you thought I gave a ***** about you during those games was so beyond funny, it was a JOKE in the moderator lounge.
Like literally, everything you posted that you don't like from me doesn't make sense from a wolf perspective. You aren't playing this game, you are just raging and thinking illogically. It's actually quite sad.
Maybe you are actually a wolf. Maybe Grape can't be wrong about everything.
What?
My problem with your case on Tom is that none of it makes any sense.
Like literally, everything you posted that you don't like from me doesn't make sense from a wolf perspective. You aren't playing this game, you are just raging and thinking illogically. It's actually quite sad.
Maybe you are actually a wolf. Maybe Grape can't be wrong about everything.
What?
My problem with your case on Tom is that none of it makes any sense.
I thought LnGrrrr was one of your scumreads? Did I miss another post where that changed?
That highlighted part has nothing to do with ANYTHING YOU SAID.
WHY DID YOU HIGHLIGHT THAT?
WHY?
Vote GJ
I'm over it.
**** this *****. I'm going to oppose anything Grape says or does until this game is over.
**** this *****, I am going to oppose anything DV says or does until this game is over.
Voting me for mis bolding a line. I can't believe you have the nerve to call other players bad, look at you man.
On my worse days I'm better than your best.
Don't even ******* try mate.
Pretty much everything you've said has taken me a Rosetta stone to comprehend today.
Dude, don't even.
You had some paranoia bull***** that I as a mod was out to get you.
Want to know a secret?
I didn't give a ***** when I used to moderate. The fact that you thought I gave a ***** about you during those games was so beyond funny, it was a JOKE in the moderator lounge.
That highlighted part has nothing to do with ANYTHING YOU SAID.
WHY DID YOU HIGHLIGHT THAT?
WHY?
Vote GJ
I'm over it.
**** this *****. I'm going to oppose anything Grape says or does until this game is over.
**** this *****, I am going to oppose anything DV says or does until this game is over.
Voting me for mis bolding a line. I can't believe you have the nerve to call other players bad, look at you man.
On my worse days I'm better than your best.
Don't even ******* try mate.
Pretty much everything you've said has taken me a Rosetta stone to comprehend today.
Dude, don't even.
You had some paranoia bull***** that I as a mod was out to get you.
Want to know a secret?
I didn't give a ***** when I used to moderate. The fact that you thought I gave a ***** about you during those games was so beyond funny, it was a JOKE in the moderator lounge.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
**** this *****, I am going to oppose anything DV says or does until this game is over.
Voting me for mis bolding a line. I can't believe you have the nerve to call other players bad, look at you man.
On my worse days I'm better than your best.
Don't even ******* try mate.
Pretty much everything you've said has taken me a Rosetta stone to comprehend today.
Dude, don't even.
You had some paranoia bull***** that I as a mod was out to get you.
Want to know a secret?
I didn't give a ***** when I used to moderate. The fact that you thought I gave a ***** about you during those games was so beyond funny, it was a JOKE in the moderator lounge.
Do you have me confused with someone else?
I'm not even sure what you're talking about here.
Get the Rosetta stone.
Also straight up dude, I don't even think I played when you were a moderator. Nor did I know you were a moderator.
So, I just don't know what you're talking about here.
Usual not posting on weekends comment. I will vote for LnGrrr if you would rather wagon that. I think tom is a wolf, I think LnGrr is more likely a wolf.
Pretty much everything you've said has taken me a Rosetta stone to comprehend today.
Dude, don't even.
You had some paranoia bull***** that I as a mod was out to get you.
Want to know a secret?
I didn't give a ***** when I used to moderate. The fact that you thought I gave a ***** about you during those games was so beyond funny, it was a JOKE in the moderator lounge.
Do you have me confused with someone else?
I'm not even sure what you're talking about here.
Get the Rosetta stone.
Also straight up dude, I don't even think I played when you were a moderator. Nor did I know you were a moderator.
So, I just don't know what you're talking about here.
Never mind, I fact checked this.
2012 is what that was from, and if memory serves me right you gave me a warning then another moderator rescinded the warning. But, really that was 7 years ago WHO GIVES A FLYING ****?
Been trying to find the words to describe one thing and failing for awhile
Meanspirited howling
Emotional manipulation
Forcing binary choices
Think i might have said gaslighting at some point
Theyre all kind of true. But...
So like his main contribution, overshadowing everything else hes done at least in my mind, is simply
"Townread me or youre a wolf"
Idk what percentage of his posts, but ot feels like its the lions share of his oomph.
I said earlier it's been townread johnny>he townreads you. Its how hes treated me in the extreme but theres some elements of it throughout all his reads.
And i know its strategic because no way he really believes that regardless and it feels like a really unpleasant version of scumempoof just calling himself town til everyone accidentally starts believeing it in champs
I am a wolf because i refuse to believe johnny is town.
Is that johnny hunting or is that johnny getting people to townread him?
I said earlier it's been townread johnny>he townreads you. Its how hes treated me in the extreme but theres some elements of it throughout all his reads.
And i know its strategic because no way he really believes that regardless and it feels like a really unpleasant version of scumempoof just calling himself town til everyone accidentally starts believeing it in champs
I am a wolf because i refuse to believe johnny is town.
Is that johnny hunting or is that johnny getting people to townread him?
Oh ho ho. Where do I begin?
Grape
Rodemy
DV
you (previously), like early mid day 2)
Tubba (on the wolf read side earlier)
KJ's a mechanical clear.
I don't think Vaimes is 100% clear.
I was wolf reading both of Kami and LnGrr before either one displayed a wolf read on me.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If this is GJ faking emotion it's a fantastic fake. This isn't enough to clear but a solid townlean. That said, tom's reaction could also be genuine. I don't see this wolf read that is coming up from others, so I'll review tom ISO and see if I find anything.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Semi VLA I absolutely hate exercise time. Everyone goes out of their mind wanting to know everything going on in the world that they normally wouldn't care about, and then demand brand new processes/outputs that won't get used two weeks from now.
I promise I will try to catch up and make a meaningful post tomorrow. I have been working 0600 to 1100 ish, and then 1500 to 2030ish. It's... not ideal for free time.
I think you could be a wolf. That part is plain in my posts.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Kami (3): LnGrr, Anak, vezok
LnGrr (1): dv
Anak (1): tom
Gj (1): Rodemy
Vezok (1): EtR
Not Voting (3): Tubba, Kami, Highroller
Whose scummy now, *****?!
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Because of course i could be aint no one gonna argue I'm out of my wolf range
But ive absolutely done more solving than anyone in this game, no one has posited a reason i could be scum that doesnt involve disagreeing with my reads, and the number of teams that makes sense with me on them are objectively shrinking.
Gtfo of course i can be a wolf. Its just less likely because im townie af
Id still rather lynch anak. Probably lngrr too since youre posting at least
If you think i should be townreading you, go do something townie.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Point blank, I'd rather lynch lngrr too.
Truce? (if for no other reason, it will drive Grape crazy?)
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You have been playing with me long enough to know my memory is terrible.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Grape is literally wasting a green checked role to push Tom.
I'm so ******* pissed right now.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
https://youtu.be/UjE-cBDFphQ?t=30
That about somes up everything before this tom wagon.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Its been clear for quite some time that all i have to do is townread you and you'll return the favor
Im gonna keep voting for scumreads though
I thought LnGrrrr was one of your scumreads? Did I miss another post where that changed?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
That highlighted part has nothing to do with ANYTHING YOU SAID.
WHY DID YOU HIGHLIGHT THAT?
WHY?
Vote GJ
I'm over it.
**** this *****. I'm going to oppose anything Grape says or does until this game is over.
I think your towniness took a nosedive after D1. I can't really point to any evidence ITT aside from you losing your cool for a hot second. You were much townier in Secret Agents, even when I lost faith in that read.
Grape being such a hard scumread just kinda comes off as complete white noise.
**** this *****, I am going to oppose anything DV says or does until this game is over.
Voting me for mis bolding a line. I can't believe you have the nerve to call other players bad, look at you man.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Maybe you are actually a wolf. Maybe Grape can't be wrong about everything.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
On my worse days I'm better than your best.
Don't even ******* try mate.
Pretty much everything you've said has taken me a Rosetta stone to comprehend today.
Dude, don't even.
You had some paranoia bull***** that I as a mod was out to get you.
Want to know a secret?
I didn't give a ***** when I used to moderate. The fact that you thought I gave a ***** about you during those games was so beyond funny, it was a JOKE in the moderator lounge.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What?
My problem with your case on Tom is that none of it makes any sense.
It just reads as a false case with Faux rage.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I am mocking him, I wouldn't say it was rage.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Do you have me confused with someone else?
I'm not even sure what you're talking about here.
Get the Rosetta stone.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Why as a town or wolf would I highlight something when my response was clearly towards either one of the other two lines?
Your reads don't make sense. You are just digging for gotcha tells, like some new player who read a wiki page.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The fact that I haven't pursued that clearly shows that I accept that as a viable answer.
The fact that you are still bringing it up shows that you don't understand that.
Ehh, I'll believe that.
I'm gonna be mad if both Tom and GJ are scum this game.
Also straight up dude, I don't even think I played when you were a moderator. Nor did I know you were a moderator.
So, I just don't know what you're talking about here.
Out Of Game: I was out of line. Don't take this as an alignment read. I am sorry. I started out sassy, and then tipped into anger.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Never mind, I fact checked this.
2012 is what that was from, and if memory serves me right you gave me a warning then another moderator rescinded the warning. But, really that was 7 years ago WHO GIVES A FLYING ****?
But im almost sure meanspirited howling is in his repertoire
Its actually hilarious, because reading through all of that its the same ***** as what I've expressed concerns of now.
Moderators treating players equally. So, its a neat blast to the past for me.
But once again, it was 7 years ago, who gives a **** and why bring it up at all.
Been trying to find the words to describe one thing and failing for awhile
Meanspirited howling
Emotional manipulation
Forcing binary choices
Think i might have said gaslighting at some point
Theyre all kind of true. But...
So like his main contribution, overshadowing everything else hes done at least in my mind, is simply
"Townread me or youre a wolf"
Idk what percentage of his posts, but ot feels like its the lions share of his oomph.
I said earlier it's been townread johnny>he townreads you. Its how hes treated me in the extreme but theres some elements of it throughout all his reads.
And i know its strategic because no way he really believes that regardless and it feels like a really unpleasant version of scumempoof just calling himself town til everyone accidentally starts believeing it in champs
I am a wolf because i refuse to believe johnny is town.
Is that johnny hunting or is that johnny getting people to townread him?
Oh ho ho. Where do I begin?
Grape
Rodemy
DV
you (previously), like early mid day 2)
Tubba (on the wolf read side earlier)
KJ's a mechanical clear.
I don't think Vaimes is 100% clear.
I was wolf reading both of Kami and LnGrr before either one displayed a wolf read on me.
I moved to Kami while Vezok was still pushing me.
So, what exactly is your main point again?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
gotasd piss people opff playiung ranked. I don't know how the ****i I got ancient IV, but I managed
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
He also faked it in Playstation
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/795001-playstation-battle-royale-mafia-endgame-the-power
Which Kami was in.
So Kami has shot down rapidly for that. Sorry I doubted you there Tom.
That behavior is OK to you?
Really?
I promise I will try to catch up and make a meaningful post tomorrow. I have been working 0600 to 1100 ish, and then 1500 to 2030ish. It's... not ideal for free time.
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This seems like usual scum GJ who gets into fights and makes a mountain out of a molehill.
Also that comment about moderating and laughing at DV is completely out of line and I hope it never happens again.
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