Yeah, no, I don't believe for a second that ALL of LnGR/Anak/GJ are town.
Unvote, vote Anak
I am getting areal big tinfoil of Vaimes GJ and Grr. Like, they are throwing mud at each other and none of them are voting the other. What. In the. Heck.
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Current impressions: Whole lot of GJ up in this thread. I get frustration with others not posting, but at the same time, flooding the thread actually discourages others from posting (because it gives them more stuff they need to catch up on, etc) so the approach is counterproductive to stated intent. However, that could very easily be a legit disagreement on how to handle things. Would really like a whole lot more out of Highroller - he seemed to be much more active in GB. The failure of the EtR-scumteam theory buys him time, but not a lot.
Someone asked why I have scumreads on me. My approach to the "EtR scumteam" is an obvious source - basically, my D1 stance was not based on post-by-post behavioral analysis. So (A) lots of people dislike that approach and think it's scummy; (B) it's easy for scum to blend with (A). Even (especially?) from my perspective it's hard or impossible to tell the difference between type-A and type-B votes on me, so I'm not going to try to analyze them further - have to rely on the rest of my reads on those people.
@dv talking to you, some thinking, and a decision to treat kamis d1 as one decision, that he could make as either alignment, and let him literally *start* playing the game now
I asked Kami why people scumread him to see how he viewed it and overall to get a good idea at what was going on. Instead of asking each individual voting him why they think kami is scum, i asked him directly to see how he saw it. and his reaction was good. It wasn't biased and it was informative. I think that Scum would be a little more biased towards why people are voting them, trying to push the blame onto a person starting a wagon.
I just can't see a scum caught. *shrug*
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I am getting areal big tinfoil of Vaimes GJ and Grr. Like, they are throwing mud at each other and none of them are voting the other. What. In the. Heck.
I can't remember what LnGR did when he was around, but I don't think that's how things went down.
I asked Kami why people scumread him to see how he viewed it and overall to get a good idea at what was going on. Instead of asking each individual voting him why they think kami is scum, i asked him directly to see how he saw it. and his reaction was good. It wasn't biased and it was informative. I think that Scum would be a little more biased towards why people are voting them, trying to push the blame onto a person starting a wagon.
Guys, I really want to scum read DV but I'm going to keep trusting all of you...
If I had two votes right now they would be on Vez and Johnny.
This is the only time I'm going to address this.
Grape you don't have any reason to town read me that's great.
You equally, don't have any reason to scum read me. So, STOP ******* saying your ego isn't letting this go. What you are worried about is me playing a scum game like I did in that micro that just finished. That's fine, but what that means is that your ego is worried about me pulling one over on you, NOT that you have a scum read on me that you want to pursue.
You're literally trying to force me into a scum read because you're worried I might be pulling one over on you, you're not worried that I'm scum because of any reason at all.
Like jesus ******* christ. You don't want to town read me that's ******* fine mate, but stop saying it ever other time I god damn post. And stop trying to ******* force a god damn scum read when you have literally nothing to point to.
@dv talking to you, some thinking, and a decision to treat kamis d1 as one decision, that he could make as either alignment, and let him literally *start* playing the game now
Yeah, I'm having doubts now lol. So there is that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
DV I keep bringing it because I have so many reasons I'm actively scum reading you but I've always been bad at reading you and there are so many town reads on you that it's pointless. It is ego, but I'm having the ego trip about it because I'm actively scum reading everything you did D1 except defend EtR. Your push on Rhand was the single scummiest thing that has happened all game. By far. If I was a vig I'd have strongly considered considered shooting you last night. But as has been pointed out why would sucm!you derail the EtR wagon? And unless the team is something like you, Tom, EtR, x I don't know why you would. Combine that with the strong town reads from other sources and I'm not going to actively push it, but I want it in the forefront because so much of accepting you as town is based on other people's reads of you.
But I'll stop because it's annoying you and I can keep an eye on it in other ways.
Anyway LnG vs Vez wagons makes me happy.
I'm still like 60-70% sure that 1 of tom and GJ is always scum. Am I alone in that thought?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I was wondering if they both could be for a bit. But I kinda like GJ
I don't think they are buddies based on their weird locking in on each other D1 and backing off today. But maybe they think the can power through it after a powow overnight. Dunno what that team would look like though and I don't really believe it. It's partially why I kind of wouldn't mind condemning Anak today, Tom has been really confident about that read all game and seeing if he's right would help sort him.
Hey Johnny whats the big difference between anak and tubbas reads post that made you say you like anak but called tubbas post wolfy?
Lot of reasons. I don't really see a reason to break it down. There isn't an answer I can give to change your mind, and frankly, regardless of Kami's alignment, that comment about me pushing the thread tilted more than every single one of Grape's post combined. I want to see one of LnGrrr/Kami swing right now. If I have to go tomorrow, so be it. If I have to go today, I don't really care anymore. I wouldn't be pushing so hard if there was a even an iota of effort from half the players in the game. The only people actively engaging me are likely town. If you want my honest opinion, I could probably flip a coin on half the players in the game right now and not be surprised.
@KJ They were the same, but Kami kept harping on it for longer past rhat point than Tubba did. Tubba got more popin-y which isnt good either, but at least sort kf started discussing other things.
Ultimately I have issue with pressure being applied on either of them currently.
It might be a cop out but i would use my oracle shot on the Tau post outing his gambit. One for the small chance of knowing it was true and winning the game, but also for the larger chance of it not being true and we could just move on without having to think about ir anymore.
@Tubba I don't think you're useless, i think you are using memes along with popins to make yourself look more active than you are. I read your posts and think "Die scum!" Because there is more in there about making a good post than trying to actually solve the game.
@Vaimes Are you voting me for Mind related posts or for me? Pretty naked vote there, but if its about what Mind did then i won't even bother because theres nothing i can really do outside of just generally being townie.
Grape what alignment would i have to flip for you to be more confident in Tom's alignment? Considering you would be willing to flip me to get that information I'm curious how you would use it in reference to him
DV I keep bringing it because I have so many reasons I'm actively scum reading you but I've always been bad at reading you and there are so many town reads on you that it's pointless. It is ego, but I'm having the ego trip about it because I'm actively scum reading everything you did D1 except defend EtR. Your push on Rhand was the single scummiest thing that has happened all game. By far. If I was a vig I'd have strongly considered considered shooting you last night. But as has been pointed out why would sucm!you derail the EtR wagon? And unless the team is something like you, Tom, EtR, x I don't know why you would. Combine that with the strong town reads from other sources and I'm not going to actively push it, but I want it in the forefront because so much of accepting you as town is based on other people's reads of you.
But I'll stop because it's annoying you and I can keep an eye on it in other ways.
Anyway LnG vs Vez wagons makes me happy.
I'm still like 60-70% sure that 1 of tom and GJ is always scum. Am I alone in that thought?
Its not ego.
I can quote zero scum reasons to read me because you've written zero down.
That Rhand push was pure. Just because Rhand played like hot dog***** and got called out on it isn't my fault. The ending by him was so bad, he ******* threw his own lynch by his own terrible play.
Once again, build a case on me or stop bringing up or I'll replace out.
Guys, I really want to scum read DV but I'm going to keep trusting all of you...
If I had two votes right now they would be on Vez and Johnny.
This is the only time I'm going to address this.
Grape you don't have any reason to town read me that's great.
You equally, don't have any reason to scum read me. So, STOP ******* saying your ego isn't letting this go. What you are worried about is me playing a scum game like I did in that micro that just finished. That's fine, but what that means is that your ego is worried about me pulling one over on you, NOT that you have a scum read on me that you want to pursue.
You're literally trying to force me into a scum read because you're worried I might be pulling one over on you, you're not worried that I'm scum because of any reason at all.
Like jesus ******* christ. You don't want to town read me that's ******* fine mate, but stop saying it ever other time I god damn post. And stop trying to ******* force a god damn scum read when you have literally nothing to point to.
this post is also from me to Newcomb in every game ever.
I was wondering if they both could be for a bit. But I kinda like GJ
I don't think they are buddies based on their weird locking in on each other D1 and backing off today. But maybe they think the can power through it after a powow overnight. Dunno what that team would look like though and I don't really believe it. It's partially why I kind of wouldn't mind condemning Anak today, Tom has been really confident about that read all game and seeing if he's right would help sort him.
hi grape
I agree. My scumreads are often pretty good, and were i scum they would be on all/mostly townies.
This is a fine way to read me when you clearly have no actual reasons.
Obviously i think/hope im right. But i can definitely be wrong on things and im town so quit making up dichotomies
Hey Johnny whats the big difference between anak and tubbas reads post that made you say you like anak but called tubbas post wolfy?
Lot of reasons. I don't really see a reason to break it down. There isn't an answer I can give to change your mind, and frankly, regardless of Kami's alignment, that comment about me pushing the thread tilted more than every single one of Grape's post combined. I want to see one of LnGrrr/Kami swing right now. If I have to go tomorrow, so be it. If I have to go today, I don't really care anymore. I wouldn't be pushing so hard if there was a even an iota of effort from half the players in the game. The only people actively engaging me are likely town. If you want my honest opinion, I could probably flip a coin on half the players in the game right now and not be surprised.
got it you just say things with no reason
Real talk those posts dont look that different to me. I liked tubbas a little more, just because anaks was so passionless and consensusy. But neither seemed particularly needle movey and your reactions to them seem pretty random to me.
Why does me saying youre pushing more than solving tilt you? You essentially admitted it was true but not AI, i wasnt gonna bring it up again really. What up?
@KJ They were the same, but Kami kept harping on it for longer past rhat point than Tubba did. Tubba got more popin-y which isnt good either, but at least sort kf started discussing other things.
Ultimately I have issue with pressure being applied on either of them currently.
It might be a cop out but i would use my oracle shot on the Tau post outing his gambit. One for the small chance of knowing it was true and winning the game, but also for the larger chance of it not being true and we could just move on without having to think about ir anymore.
@Tubba I don't think you're useless, i think you are using memes along with popins to make yourself look more active than you are. I read your posts and think "Die scum!" Because there is more in there about making a good post than trying to actually solve the game.
@Vaimes Are you voting me for Mind related posts or for me? Pretty naked vote there, but if its about what Mind did then i won't even bother because theres nothing i can really do outside of just generally being townie.
Grape what alignment would i have to flip for you to be more confident in Tom's alignment? Considering you would be willing to flip me to get that information I'm curious how you would use it in reference to him
Finishing reads off:
Vaimes and tubba are both people that i know what im looking for. Theyve both shown some flashes, tubba more than vaimes, but theres worlds where theyre scum (also tubba moreso)
Sticking them in "pending"
Lngrr just kinda looks like scum, and (lack of) wagon movement against him compared to [grape, etr, rhand, vezok, kami] feels weird.
Rod still feels like townrod. Was forgetting that a little, but recent activity confirms
dv/rod
grapejoy
highroller
kami/tubba/vaimes
ETR/vez
johnny/lngrr
anak
Got a bit lazy towards the end there. Skipped isoing kj, kami, and rod. Will keep trying to sort the middle
But thats more or less where im at.
Ultimately I have issue with pressure being applied on either of them currently.
What does this mean?
It might be a cop out but i would use my oracle shot on the Tau post outing his gambit. One for the small chance of knowing it was true and winning the game, but also for the larger chance of it not being true and we could just move on without having to think about ir anymore.
This is weird, because we already know 2 of the 4 implicated in the Tau gambit flipped town, so we obviously can't just win the game with it.
Speaking of Kami, I just had to look to make sure he wasn't one of the replacements.
He was voting me throughout D1 - I'm actually the only person he's voted outside RVS. Why would he not remember me being in the game?
More generally: D1 I do see questions being asked, which is compatible with a certain style of town (one I play often actually), but by now there should be stronger scumhunting.
Finishing reads off:
Vaimes and tubba are both people that i know what im looking for. Theyve both shown some flashes, tubba more than vaimes, but theres worlds where theyre scum (also tubba moreso)
Sticking them in "pending"
Lngrr just kinda looks like scum, and (lack of) wagon movement against him compared to [grape, etr, rhand, vezok, kami] feels weird.
Rod still feels like townrod. Was forgetting that a little, but recent activity confirms
dv/rod
grapejoy
highroller
kami/tubba/vaimes
ETR/vez
johnny/lngrr
anak
Got a bit lazy towards the end there. Skipped isoing kj, kami, and rod. Will keep trying to sort the middle
But thats more or less where im at.
I'd move EtR up infront of Kami and maybe put GJ somewhere in the neutral reads otherwise I agree with most of this.
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Vezokpiraka (3): Grapefruit21, Killjoy, EtR
KamikazeArchon (3): LnGrrrR, Anaklusmos, Gentleman Johnny
Gentleman Johnny (2): vezokpiraka, D_V
LnGrrrR (1): Vaimes
Anaklusmos (1): tomsloger
Gentleman Johnny (1): Rodemy
Not Voting (3): Tubba Fett, KamikazeArchon, Highroller
V/LA: Rodemy (March 11th - 17th), EtR (March 11th - 17th)
With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch. Deadline is on March 22nd.
Unvote, vote Anak
@GJ Why are you voting with two people you're scum reading (or at least have below your null line)?
I don't know. Wasn't really paying attention to who was voting Kami. I was reconsidering Vezok though.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
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The GJ way path to no lynching:
Ask me again when he answers the question.
I am getting areal big tinfoil of Vaimes GJ and Grr. Like, they are throwing mud at each other and none of them are voting the other. What. In the. Heck.
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Current impressions: Whole lot of GJ up in this thread. I get frustration with others not posting, but at the same time, flooding the thread actually discourages others from posting (because it gives them more stuff they need to catch up on, etc) so the approach is counterproductive to stated intent. However, that could very easily be a legit disagreement on how to handle things. Would really like a whole lot more out of Highroller - he seemed to be much more active in GB. The failure of the EtR-scumteam theory buys him time, but not a lot.
Someone asked why I have scumreads on me. My approach to the "EtR scumteam" is an obvious source - basically, my D1 stance was not based on post-by-post behavioral analysis. So (A) lots of people dislike that approach and think it's scummy; (B) it's easy for scum to blend with (A). Even (especially?) from my perspective it's hard or impossible to tell the difference between type-A and type-B votes on me, so I'm not going to try to analyze them further - have to rely on the rest of my reads on those people.
If I had two votes right now they would be on Vez and Johnny.
Johnny/anak looks like a thing though.
Still only kind of care about vez
It is but GJ isn't scum in those worlds and he's pretty convinced by DV. As are KJ and a few others. I totally believe that team though.
I might be biased against anak because a tiny part of me is holding onto that Mind town read I really shouldn't still have.
How has that changed to non AI?
@dv talking to you, some thinking, and a decision to treat kamis d1 as one decision, that he could make as either alignment, and let him literally *start* playing the game now
I asked Kami why people scumread him to see how he viewed it and overall to get a good idea at what was going on. Instead of asking each individual voting him why they think kami is scum, i asked him directly to see how he saw it. and his reaction was good. It wasn't biased and it was informative. I think that Scum would be a little more biased towards why people are voting them, trying to push the blame onto a person starting a wagon.
I just can't see a scum caught. *shrug*
Not having you as a townread was weird and deserved to be mocked at least a little, but it's not the most efficient hill for scum to die on.
Okay.
I actually like that read.
Mild paranoia assuaged.
This is the only time I'm going to address this.
Grape you don't have any reason to town read me that's great.
You equally, don't have any reason to scum read me. So, STOP ******* saying your ego isn't letting this go. What you are worried about is me playing a scum game like I did in that micro that just finished. That's fine, but what that means is that your ego is worried about me pulling one over on you, NOT that you have a scum read on me that you want to pursue.
You're literally trying to force me into a scum read because you're worried I might be pulling one over on you, you're not worried that I'm scum because of any reason at all.
Like jesus ******* christ. You don't want to town read me that's ******* fine mate, but stop saying it ever other time I god damn post. And stop trying to ******* force a god damn scum read when you have literally nothing to point to.
Yeah, I'm having doubts now lol. So there is that.
Why are we not pursing LnGrrrR?
Pretty much everyone is giving them the eye.
Vote LnGrrrR
I'm curious about those names there. What connects them?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But I'll stop because it's annoying you and I can keep an eye on it in other ways.
Anyway LnG vs Vez wagons makes me happy.
I'm still like 60-70% sure that 1 of tom and GJ is always scum. Am I alone in that thought?
I was wondering if they both could be for a bit. But I kinda like GJ
I don't think they are buddies based on their weird locking in on each other D1 and backing off today. But maybe they think the can power through it after a powow overnight. Dunno what that team would look like though and I don't really believe it. It's partially why I kind of wouldn't mind condemning Anak today, Tom has been really confident about that read all game and seeing if he's right would help sort him.
Lot of reasons. I don't really see a reason to break it down. There isn't an answer I can give to change your mind, and frankly, regardless of Kami's alignment, that comment about me pushing the thread tilted more than every single one of Grape's post combined. I want to see one of LnGrrr/Kami swing right now. If I have to go tomorrow, so be it. If I have to go today, I don't really care anymore. I wouldn't be pushing so hard if there was a even an iota of effort from half the players in the game. The only people actively engaging me are likely town. If you want my honest opinion, I could probably flip a coin on half the players in the game right now and not be surprised.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Ultimately I have issue with pressure being applied on either of them currently.
It might be a cop out but i would use my oracle shot on the Tau post outing his gambit. One for the small chance of knowing it was true and winning the game, but also for the larger chance of it not being true and we could just move on without having to think about ir anymore.
@Tubba I don't think you're useless, i think you are using memes along with popins to make yourself look more active than you are. I read your posts and think "Die scum!" Because there is more in there about making a good post than trying to actually solve the game.
@Vaimes Are you voting me for Mind related posts or for me? Pretty naked vote there, but if its about what Mind did then i won't even bother because theres nothing i can really do outside of just generally being townie.
Grape what alignment would i have to flip for you to be more confident in Tom's alignment? Considering you would be willing to flip me to get that information I'm curious how you would use it in reference to him
Its not ego.
I can quote zero scum reasons to read me because you've written zero down.
That Rhand push was pure. Just because Rhand played like hot dog***** and got called out on it isn't my fault. The ending by him was so bad, he ******* threw his own lynch by his own terrible play.
Once again, build a case on me or stop bringing up or I'll replace out.
No joke.
I'm done and I'm trying to be nice.
Wait a second. What about Pirates? and what kind of post are you talking about?
Ya know, for some reason i thought you did.
I agree. My scumreads are often pretty good, and were i scum they would be on all/mostly townies.
This is a fine way to read me when you clearly have no actual reasons.
Obviously i think/hope im right. But i can definitely be wrong on things and im town so quit making up dichotomies
But also yeah lets lynch anak and/or gj
But certainly not with a wagon of 4 people i think are scummier than him + dv
Real talk those posts dont look that different to me. I liked tubbas a little more, just because anaks was so passionless and consensusy. But neither seemed particularly needle movey and your reactions to them seem pretty random to me.
Why does me saying youre pushing more than solving tilt you? You essentially admitted it was true but not AI, i wasnt gonna bring it up again really. What up?
Also that last question is terrible
Vaimes and tubba are both people that i know what im looking for. Theyve both shown some flashes, tubba more than vaimes, but theres worlds where theyre scum (also tubba moreso)
Sticking them in "pending"
Lngrr just kinda looks like scum, and (lack of) wagon movement against him compared to [grape, etr,
rhand, vezok, kami] feels weird.Rod still feels like townrod. Was forgetting that a little, but recent activity confirms
dv/rod
grapejoy
highroller
kami/tubba/vaimes
ETR/vez
johnny/lngrr
anak
Got a bit lazy towards the end there. Skipped isoing kj, kami, and rod. Will keep trying to sort the middle
But thats more or less where im at.
This is weird, because we already know 2 of the 4 implicated in the Tau gambit flipped town, so we obviously can't just win the game with it.
He was voting me throughout D1 - I'm actually the only person he's voted outside RVS. Why would he not remember me being in the game?
More generally: D1 I do see questions being asked, which is compatible with a certain style of town (one I play often actually), but by now there should be stronger scumhunting.
vote LnGrrrR
I'd move EtR up infront of Kami and maybe put GJ somewhere in the neutral reads otherwise I agree with most of this.