first you are doing exactly what grr was doing, and second, "Oh, so the Riku slot is town. Thanks, Rhand.", is such a scummy comment to his post
shade, shade, shade, Rhand actually made a handful of decent posts, go read them and don't be obnoxious
Because scum can't make decent posts? What?
OK, SO THAT MEANS WHAT, IGNORING POSTS IS OK? why the hell are you even scum reading him? since you so interested in proving to us rhand is lock scum, i expect a response to his wall post
Like really? Do not put words in my mouth. Do not yell at me. I didn't ignore anything, nor did I say he's lock scum. What is your problem.
im sorry, but when you say, "i guess that means riku is town, insinuates that you believe rhand always flips red here, and hence riku is town... im sorry but I cant see that post coming off in any other way
im sorry, but when you say, "i guess that means riku is town, insinuates that you believe rhand always flips red here, and hence riku is town... im sorry but I cant see that post coming off in any other way
I don't know what to tell you, man. I like making snarky posts sometimes. But yelling a bunch of nonsense at me and then "demoting" me when I say I don't like your behavior is way more obnoxious, so please stop it.
im sorry, but when you say, "i guess that means riku is town, insinuates that you believe rhand always flips red here, and hence riku is town... im sorry but I cant see that post coming off in any other way
I don't know what to tell you, man. I like making snarky posts sometimes. But yelling a bunch of nonsense at me and then "demoting" me when I say I don't like your behavior is way more obnoxious, so please stop it.
its not non-sense, and you already shaded me by saying everytime I post it ****s with your reads on other people, and thats not obnoxious? im sorry, but what? I can be way more obnoxious trust me, and im not even being that bad, just cause I "all-capts", you play falls back to, "stop yelling at me", like somehow that invalidates my post, or makes my thoughts any less correct, or changes my opinion on you
its not non-sense, and you already shaded me by saying everytime I post it ****s with your reads on other people, and thats not obnoxious? im sorry, but what? I can be way more obnoxious trust me, and im not even being that bad, just cause I "all-capts", you play falls back to, "stop yelling at me", like somehow that invalidates my post, or makes my thoughts any less correct, or changes my opinion on you
If I upset you or hurt your feelings with that comment, then I apologize. What I meant to convey was you seem to latch onto arguments about things that don't really matter from an alignment perspective, and so when someone defends themselves against you, their points look very reasonable, which tends to get townread.
I didn't ignore any posts, and I didn't call Rhand lock scum. Those are things you incorrectly interpreted. Don't pretend caps lock isn't the Internet version of yelling; no one likes being yelled at.
I thought it was pretty obviously not a literal statement.
"I hated how Rhand was linking LnGR and vezok, and believe it makes vezok's slot more likely to be town since I'm scumreading Rhand."
There.
Maybe try big bold letters. And write it in phonetics. I hear that works.
Also if it makes you feel better I'm town reading you more for this exchange Vaimes. OR am I?
I think its interesting that Last is pressuring you, meanwhile I ignore anything Rhand has written and he's like NP DV.
Also, Rhand keeps saying I have a crazy case on him. I don't know why people keep misrepresenting me. Am I ******* high or did I not write a case on Rhand.
I think my case amounts to, his behavior is scummy and his attacks on Tau/EtR are bad. Rhand's refusal to acknowledge anything I've written and dismiss it as a "Crazy DV case" is bizarre to me. If he was town he would have read what I wrote and responded accordingly. Instead he is dodging any interaction with me and calling it a "crazy" case. I've never seen town Rhand do this. This means it is scum Rhand.
yes, ill argue that i do get annoyed with comments like that, even on my homesite, and there is nothing wrong with saying that, x being scum is pretty strong reason to believe x is town, but there are ways to go about it, that arent attacking someones thought process, I mindmelded with Rhand, and I think its disgusting to read riku town based off anyone else, and that if Grr or Vezok flip scum, I can see them both being scum, soley based off that interaction, b/c it was awkward
I think you should be evaluating people on an individual level, which is another reason why I got mad at Kami... and I dont think you are giving a fair evaluation of Rhand
yes, ill argue that i do get annoyed with comments like that, even on my homesite, and there is nothing wrong with saying that, x being scum is pretty strong reason to believe x is town, but there are ways to go about it, that arent attacking someones thought process, I mindmelded with Rhand, and I think its disgusting to read riku town based off anyone else, and that if Grr or Vezok flip scum, I can see them both being scum, soley based off that interaction, b/c it was awkward
I think you should be evaluating people on an individual level, which is another reason why I got mad at Kami... and I dont think you are giving a fair evaluation of Rhand
Okay. That's your interpretation. I have mine. It's kind of a leap to say that it's "disgusting" to think Rhand's treatment of Riku doesn't make Rikuslot likely to be town specifically for me and people who agree with me.
It sounds like you just don't like playstyles involving associatives, and all I can really say to that is "okay, sorry," because people are going to keep doing it. Even if you personally don't.
What made me ignoring Rhand and Vaimes ignoring Rhand any different.
Also, what do you think about Rhand painting my case on him as "Crazy" when I don't really think I've presented a case. Its just gut and some minor tells. I guess that's a case, but a case from me typically is at least a semi wall.
It doesn't make me feel better at all, but I do appreciate the civility this game, so that's at least something.
You're moms civil.
Gotteeem.
I've been frustrated with you because you normally don't seem like you are putting enough effort into the game.... BUT I realized I'm wrong and also I don't get to talk ***** after that GREAT Ghostbuster play by me. I played outstandingly there. Not outstandingly well, but outstandingly something.
I think you are town, and it feels like you actually believe your read on Rhand, I think there is still scum!equity coming from Rhand's slot, but I think hes has a handful of good posts overall, unlike vaimes
I voted Rhand, but again it just feels like people I are just jumping on anyone thats a top train, though if I recall you didnt vote Rhand till after I did, which aligns with the your statement above, that it wasnt a super strong case
I went through Vaime's posts and there wasnt one that I liked, I dont think he is putting effort into this game like you seem to think, at least not in a townie way
@GJ: I’m alive and you unvoted. Also, I’m not at this part of the game yet with my read.
@DV: I’ll get to your case and why it’s weird in my reads prt 2.
@Vaimes: LW asked you multiple times where your scumread on me comes from, but you never answered that. Why?
@GJ: I’m alive and you unvoted. Also, I’m not at this part of the game yet with my read.
@DV: I’ll get to your case and why it’s weird in my reads prt 2.
@Vaimes: LW asked you multiple times where your scumread on me comes from, but you never answered that. Why?
So, I was the wolfiest vote on your wagon (how I interpret your "if I die, go after GJ" comment. But if I move off, I no longer have wolf equity?
I am not asking you to join the rest of the game, I asking what happened between my vote and unvote that would cause such a read change. I dont normally post on the weekends, so I know it wasn't a post I made. That means one of two things happened: 1). You are either hardcore OMGUSing me, or 2). The four people you listed racked up enough equity to overtake me in your reads.
Or, if I am wrong, feel free to tell me why, but this dodge is not making me feel great about you.
You totally misunderstood my statement there.
I know you respect my town game. And I know you have an at least decent grasp on how to read me.
Voting me to add pressure is within your town range, but I’m sure you would never approve of my lynch Day 1 as town without being sure I am scum because you know my value as town.
So your unvote when my wagon started growing out of proportion looks very good: town!GJ would want to keep me alive while scum!GJ would be very happy to see me get lynched.
You are saying I don't ever misread you as town if I am also town?
It's 1:30am, so I am crashing, but that's what you are going with it feels. Really, only reason I moved off is you had a few decent posts + I didn't care for a couple people on the wagon. You aren't my choice, but I won't cry if you end up sinking.
Lngrr or Mind I'd say for the day. I want to throw Etr there as well as I feel like he is just coasting when he isn't getting votes, but we need to start moving forward with the game.
Either GJ is scum and is... WAY more obvious about it than I've ever seen him... (And I'm remembering STMU...3? when I lynched Rhand over him in Lylo...) or he's doing a thing that if I say it he won't be able to do it anymore, and is town.
So lemme try this... GJ: Would you say you're getting your reads based on a specific kind of behavioral analysis?
Gonna see if I can telepathically communicate without potentially ruining something? And hoping I'm not being TOO obvious with this.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
It's based in the fact that I believe based on past play with him that, at the core of his play, he doesn't (perhaps didn't now?) participate D1 for the reason of (a bit of laziness and) the fact that there wasn't any flips D1, and therefore no hard info to analyze. He is very distinctly not doing that this game and is making assumptions that aren't like him.
There's also something to be said for his accusations that I'm lying about my role. He's very... certain about that, and certainty typically comes more from scum than town.
However, that could all turn on it's head if GJ is doing that thing I think he might be doing? Stay tuned.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Finished page 3 and two things stood out: tom is acting way scummier than expected. Calling out prs and having a start very reminiscent to ghostbusters.
Rodemy is town as town can be. I also like that he was upset/noticed tom calling put prs day 1.
I'll try to roleplay more after I finish my reread cause I'm more focused on reading quickly than roleplaying.
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Anyways the case for Rhand. When I Iso'd Rhand I thought I was going to see 5 posts total, but he actual has 24!
It already starts out with DV clearly having no idea how much I had posted.
In Rhands first meaningful post after the RVS he Votes grapefruit for meta reasons.
This is where I was sure I caught Grape. He doesn’t give an opinion on it at all and just brushes it off.
Then follows it up with a "Tom is town" on post 120 YEAH ok LOL.
He doesn’t explain why I shouldn’t call tom town in his eyes, only a “YEAH ok LOL”. What is that even supposed to mean?
He then follows up with a Bad vote on Tom so ztstd is town. Which I think is really bad reasons.
Rhands next three posts he takes no stances at all.
In one of those I agree with tom that I was too fast in clearing ztstd for that bad vote.
The other two are me responding to questions about people I didn’t yet have an opinion on. What did DV want me to do there? Make up stances on Tubba and Mind without having a real opinion?
Claims scum lngr, doesn't ever purse.
Spends the rest of his posts talking about his Grape Meta read.
I was convinced I caught Grape and wanted him lynched, which should be abundantly clear in my posts there, and is the reason I’m not pursuing my lngr read at this point.
Again, DV just mentions my Grape push as a fact without analyzing whether this push can come from scum.
Then does the EtR, Tau "Discrediting all the top town"
That’s initially how I felt after that post, yes. I’m townreading tom and LW and know I’m town, and if you would look into the game at that point, almost everyone was townreading the 3 of us. And all of a sudden there’s this magical scumteam popping up that consists of all 3 of us, destroying all the town cred we had built. So yeh, it felt like a discredit.
Again here, he just mentions this. DV is not showing any reasons why this would make me scum.
Says he wants to sort out if there is a dichotomy, then I guess at some point concludes that there is and votes EtR.
Why? because of town Neighbor to town(Even though this was never claimed by EtR) and the extra ability(Which because EtR hadn't full claimed we never knew about).
Its such a weak point.
This is not true. I voted EtR for a very different (granted bad) reason: I thought he botched his claim. That had nothing to do with me deciding there’s a dichotomy, and I don’t think there is.
Turns out he didn’t botch his claim, and I did unvote when I realized my wrongness. (this happens after DV’s case though)
Talks about Kami wanting the lynch cascade being worrying and then ATTEMPTS HIS OWN lynch cascade. Onto Kami.
You do realize that for this statement, which for you seems to be the damning point in my case, to be true, EtR has to flip scum, right?
Because I’m saying that Kami is scum if EtR is scum because he’s attempting to get us to resign to an auto-lynch of me, tom or LW when EtR flips scum.
You are saying that what I’m doing is to get Kami lynched instead when EtR flips scum.
Ergo, for me to be scum in your case, EtR has to be scum, so you should be pushing him and not me.
Tl;dr: DV at no point explains why any of what he lists would make me scum, makes a few false assumptions and makes a damning statement at the end that should end in him voting EtR rather than me.
So yeh, it’s a weird case and I didn’t feel the need to respond to it at that time, especially because I concluded tau/EtR is likely t/t and I didn't want to get DV to turn on EtR. Turns out he did convince quite some people with it, so now I am responding.
Does this make DV scum? I don't know. I kind of want him to be scum for this, but town makes bad cases too.
Vez can be town. Also I'm very proud of that list thank you very much.
I need to read LW/Vaimes again to make sure I'm actually happy with town Vaimes (I think I am). And I need to actually read Rhand/GJ. My skin says it's probably a not knowingly aligned wall fight but I'm not sure if there is enough there to lock that in. And I should really actually read LnGrrrR like I've been promising to.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Bye.
this isnt even a "I guess" riku is town, its "riku is town" solely because you believe Rhand is always scum here, or you can tell me im wrong
"I hated how Rhand was linking LnGR and vezok, and believe it makes vezok's slot more likely to be town since I'm scumreading Rhand."
There.
I didn't ignore any posts, and I didn't call Rhand lock scum. Those are things you incorrectly interpreted. Don't pretend caps lock isn't the Internet version of yelling; no one likes being yelled at.
We're kinda getting off topic here.
Maybe try big bold letters. And write it in phonetics. I hear that works.
Also if it makes you feel better I'm town reading you more for this exchange Vaimes. OR am I?
I think its interesting that Last is pressuring you, meanwhile I ignore anything Rhand has written and he's like NP DV.
Also, Rhand keeps saying I have a crazy case on him. I don't know why people keep misrepresenting me. Am I ******* high or did I not write a case on Rhand.
I think my case amounts to, his behavior is scummy and his attacks on Tau/EtR are bad. Rhand's refusal to acknowledge anything I've written and dismiss it as a "Crazy DV case" is bizarre to me. If he was town he would have read what I wrote and responded accordingly. Instead he is dodging any interaction with me and calling it a "crazy" case. I've never seen town Rhand do this. This means it is scum Rhand.
I think you should be evaluating people on an individual level, which is another reason why I got mad at Kami... and I dont think you are giving a fair evaluation of Rhand
It sounds like you just don't like playstyles involving associatives, and all I can really say to that is "okay, sorry," because people are going to keep doing it. Even if you personally don't.
Also Vaimes can be town.
Bold of you to assume there is a scum RB.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Was talking about Kami pretty directly, maybe that was lost in the fact and I should just quoted his first line.
And the 2nd line obviously directed at you.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Personally, I hope you are the vig.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Bold of you to assume there is a vig.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Because I am not, I think you are town, and I like your reads?
Pocket Application accepted?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'll slap fight you hard.
You wanna go?
What made me ignoring Rhand and Vaimes ignoring Rhand any different.
Also, what do you think about Rhand painting my case on him as "Crazy" when I don't really think I've presented a case. Its just gut and some minor tells. I guess that's a case, but a case from me typically is at least a semi wall.
You're moms civil.
Gotteeem.
I've been frustrated with you because you normally don't seem like you are putting enough effort into the game.... BUT I realized I'm wrong and also I don't get to talk ***** after that GREAT Ghostbuster play by me. I played outstandingly there. Not outstandingly well, but outstandingly something.
I voted Rhand, but again it just feels like people I are just jumping on anyone thats a top train, though if I recall you didnt vote Rhand till after I did, which aligns with the your statement above, that it wasnt a super strong case
I went through Vaime's posts and there wasnt one that I liked, I dont think he is putting effort into this game like you seem to think, at least not in a townie way
vote gj
And id prefer anyone calling it omgus to accept that its the townie kind of omgus
But i dont care that much im still v/la
Bye
@DV: I’ll get to your case and why it’s weird in my reads prt 2.
@Vaimes: LW asked you multiple times where your scumread on me comes from, but you never answered that. Why?
Why so self conscious?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
So, I was the wolfiest vote on your wagon (how I interpret your "if I die, go after GJ" comment. But if I move off, I no longer have wolf equity?
I am not asking you to join the rest of the game, I asking what happened between my vote and unvote that would cause such a read change. I dont normally post on the weekends, so I know it wasn't a post I made. That means one of two things happened: 1). You are either hardcore OMGUSing me, or 2). The four people you listed racked up enough equity to overtake me in your reads.
Or, if I am wrong, feel free to tell me why, but this dodge is not making me feel great about you.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I know you respect my town game. And I know you have an at least decent grasp on how to read me.
Voting me to add pressure is within your town range, but I’m sure you would never approve of my lynch Day 1 as town without being sure I am scum because you know my value as town.
So your unvote when my wagon started growing out of proportion looks very good: town!GJ would want to keep me alive while scum!GJ would be very happy to see me get lynched.
You are saying I don't ever misread you as town if I am also town?
It's 1:30am, so I am crashing, but that's what you are going with it feels. Really, only reason I moved off is you had a few decent posts + I didn't care for a couple people on the wagon. You aren't my choice, but I won't cry if you end up sinking.
Lngrr or Mind I'd say for the day. I want to throw Etr there as well as I feel like he is just coasting when he isn't getting votes, but we need to start moving forward with the game.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But I don’t see you doing that Day1 anymore unless you’re really convinced.
Either GJ is scum and is... WAY more obvious about it than I've ever seen him... (And I'm remembering STMU...3? when I lynched Rhand over him in Lylo...) or he's doing a thing that if I say it he won't be able to do it anymore, and is town.
So lemme try this... GJ: Would you say you're getting your reads based on a specific kind of behavioral analysis?
Gonna see if I can telepathically communicate without potentially ruining something? And hoping I'm not being TOO obvious with this.
There's also something to be said for his accusations that I'm lying about my role. He's very... certain about that, and certainty typically comes more from scum than town.
However, that could all turn on it's head if GJ is doing that thing I think he might be doing? Stay tuned.
Rodemy is town as town can be. I also like that he was upset/noticed tom calling put prs day 1.
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Kinda want to lycnh grape just for this post.
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Why was grape so high in your readlist at the time KJ?
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It already starts out with DV clearly having no idea how much I had posted.
This is where I was sure I caught Grape. He doesn’t give an opinion on it at all and just brushes it off.
He doesn’t explain why I shouldn’t call tom town in his eyes, only a “YEAH ok LOL”. What is that even supposed to mean?
In one of those I agree with tom that I was too fast in clearing ztstd for that bad vote.
The other two are me responding to questions about people I didn’t yet have an opinion on. What did DV want me to do there? Make up stances on Tubba and Mind without having a real opinion?
I was convinced I caught Grape and wanted him lynched, which should be abundantly clear in my posts there, and is the reason I’m not pursuing my lngr read at this point.
Again, DV just mentions my Grape push as a fact without analyzing whether this push can come from scum.
That’s initially how I felt after that post, yes. I’m townreading tom and LW and know I’m town, and if you would look into the game at that point, almost everyone was townreading the 3 of us. And all of a sudden there’s this magical scumteam popping up that consists of all 3 of us, destroying all the town cred we had built. So yeh, it felt like a discredit.
Again here, he just mentions this. DV is not showing any reasons why this would make me scum.
This is not true. I voted EtR for a very different (granted bad) reason: I thought he botched his claim. That had nothing to do with me deciding there’s a dichotomy, and I don’t think there is.
Turns out he didn’t botch his claim, and I did unvote when I realized my wrongness. (this happens after DV’s case though)
You do realize that for this statement, which for you seems to be the damning point in my case, to be true, EtR has to flip scum, right?
Because I’m saying that Kami is scum if EtR is scum because he’s attempting to get us to resign to an auto-lynch of me, tom or LW when EtR flips scum.
You are saying that what I’m doing is to get Kami lynched instead when EtR flips scum.
Ergo, for me to be scum in your case, EtR has to be scum, so you should be pushing him and not me.
Tl;dr: DV at no point explains why any of what he lists would make me scum, makes a few false assumptions and makes a damning statement at the end that should end in him voting EtR rather than me.
So yeh, it’s a weird case and I didn’t feel the need to respond to it at that time, especially because I concluded tau/EtR is likely t/t and I didn't want to get DV to turn on EtR. Turns out he did convince quite some people with it, so now I am responding.
Does this make DV scum? I don't know. I kind of want him to be scum for this, but town makes bad cases too.
KJ claims a N0 town result on Grape later on.
I need to read LW/Vaimes again to make sure I'm actually happy with town Vaimes (I think I am). And I need to actually read Rhand/GJ. My skin says it's probably a not knowingly aligned wall fight but I'm not sure if there is enough there to lock that in. And I should really actually read LnGrrrR like I've been promising to.
I was gonna not answer this to maintain the purity of his reads. He would have gotten there eventually.
I wasn’t thinking