Rodemy is still scummy, and Tau moves down because that felt forced
Personally I didn't like any of the entrances outside Tom
I'm gonna take this game slower than I've previously done in past games on this site, and to answer your question, I was focusing on another game, which I botched at EoD, losing to Mafia
You ignored my question, called me “still scummy”, it sounds like you switched views from “I can’t find any scum in these TVs votes” to “ these are all scummy (except tom”
I just...
vote lastwhisper
I feel good about this vote
I missed your question, yes, I'm at work, and I don't specifically look at my quotes, but to answer your question, I'm look at people's entrances, they speak louder than people think, yours specifically...
Also I didn't find scum in those early posts, it was you... Am I making your nervous? Does it feel bad that I caught you already?
Rodemy is still scummy, and Tau moves down because that felt forced
Personally I didn't like any of the entrances outside Tom
I'm gonna take this game slower than I've previously done in past games on this site, and to answer your question, I was focusing on another game, which I botched at EoD, losing to Mafia
You ignored my question, called me “still scummy”, it sounds like you switched views from “I can’t find any scum in these TVs votes” to “ these are all scummy (except tom”
I just...
vote lastwhisper
I feel good about this vote
I missed your question, yes, I'm at work, and I don't specifically look at my quotes, but to answer your question, I'm look at people's entrances, they speak louder than people think, yours specifically...
Also I didn't find scum in those early posts, it was you... Am I making your nervous? Does it feel bad that I caught you already?
Tom didn't say he disliked the state of the game tho. So how is he losing townpoints?
That post got moderately mangled between thought and keyboard, what I meant to say was "tomsloger and LastWhisper both made the conspicuous choice not to move the game forward, such as by not using their votes effectively."
LastWhisper demonstrated he disliked the gamestate by saying it, while tomsloger made several low-impact posts + has enough experience I expect him to identify the tepid thread mood as bad for Town. (Notice in #18 he states that not random voting is his meta, rather than arguing whether it's good or bad for Town.)
LastWhisper's version of slacking off struck me as less consistent with a Town mindset. If a Townie was about to post #20, I would expect them to attempt to directly solve the problem (make a good RVS vote) or dig deeper into why the RVS state was bad and give a more nuanced response. (Maybe, "I'll be back in a few hours when the game has actually started" or such)
tomsloger meanwhile could be making low-effort posts because they're easy, because they enjoy them, etc. I don't have citations, but from my vague impression of reading tomsloger's games this fits my mental model of him as either alignment. This still makes it scumtell - I would still expect more effort to make an impact on the game from a Town!tomsloger than a Scum!tomsloger, because Town!tomsloger has more reasons to do so - but a less reliable one.
--- @Killjoy Yes in my mind everybody starts with townpoints.
--- @LastWhisper Can you go into more detail on your Rodemy read?
@Killjoy
Hmmm... I guess I’d like to hear Whisper’s thoughts on Rod. I’m not seeing anything blatant that would warrant the way they’ve discussed him. I also tentatively agree with Kami about this not being the same Rod from Ghostbusters. That seems to be about the only thing that’s really gone on, IMO.
I too, would like more info on his reasons as to why I am so 100% scum.
man it will ******* bothers you enough that you've already expressed it 4-5 times, and I've also expressed that I will answer all questions when I get home
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yeah I just saw scum Rodemy in ghostbusters, this isn't it. That #57 tho
unvote vote Lastwhisper
So what makes for a scum Rodemy, Kami?
Also explain your vote pl0x.
Same to you @Riku
@Tau: Have you never played with tom before? I'll agree that nothing he's done yet (possibly ever?) is AI. There's a reason I solve him the way I do. Nothing else works for me.
@Tom: I'm inclined to agree that someone on that wagon is scum. My initial thoughts would be Riku and Kami. What are your thoughts here?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Killjoy, and Riku have RVS'd me in almost every game I've played on here, since our first games together, Grapefruits was a little weird, it felt tonally nervous to me... I also find it a little odd because I would think he would RVS someone else he knows more personally on this site, rather than me
Kami
Why does my friendly tone ping you? it's so common of me to get a ***** ton of RVS votes, that it actually gets infuriating in a friendly sense
What exactly do you like about tau? I haven't really liked any of his posts
im not sure if random voting is part of my character either way
Unless you have some bizarre reading where "character" isn't a synonym to "meta"? Also, I don't know how to respond to the request to "explain again" without a hint on how the first explanation didn't work.
PS: I'd prefer to stop talking about my tomsloger read, it's pretty weak. I've been talking about it because other players have been asking questions on it.
Lol Reaverb. I've made two posts in the game: One was an RVS on wisp which is an absolutely clear RVS, even without context. Where do you get a proper vote out of that? What a riot.
I do not see how character and meta are a synonym.
PS: I'd prefer if you didn't call me out for something as I think it's weak. I've been talking about my vote as other players asked me questins on it. People are going to talk about actions you've done, there's no point asking them not to.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
I little bit on how I play, I think you can get a lot from someones entrance, sometimes it isnt always accurate, and Im more so a believer of every post means something, not that I am able to find a reason behind every post... Scum like to make entrances into the game that give off a more comical vibe, it helps them enter the thread, and thats what I see here, I thought many others did the same thing, but I honestly cant push them all
Bon Giorno! That's like half the Italian I know, with Gratzi and Scusi.
Vote Rhandfor not doing tours in Stuttgart.
Also, I highly suggest visiting Rome. That city is amazing. Florence ain't too bad either. Venice is.. overrated.
didnt like this post for the same reason, he is also a little lower on my scale, for exactly the same reason, why I jumped on Rodemy over him was because I thought Rods was a little more forced
im not sure if random voting is part of my character either way
True, I just find it like, slightly noteworthy? But not enough to be like “TOM SCUM KILLDIE”
was not a fan of this post, think it more proves my point that he is just posting for the sake of looking towny, as he agrees with Toms answer so easily, and has to state that its still noteworthy
Rodemy is still scummy, and Tau moves down because that felt forced
Personally I didn't like any of the entrances outside Tom
I'm gonna take this game slower than I've previously done in past games on this site, and to answer your question, I was focusing on another game, which I botched at EoD, losing to Mafia
You ignored my question, called me “still scummy”, it sounds like you switched views from “I can’t find any scum in these TVs votes” to “ these are all scummy (except tom”
I just...
vote lastwhisper
I feel good about this vote
I found you didnt I, idk why it bothers you so much? do you think I am trying to bury you right out of the gate? Im glad you feel good about your votes, but I feel like that statement, is just scummy, "Hey im placing my vote here, and I want you all to know that I am really ok with it", like for some reason you needed to state how strongly you felt about it, which gives off the opposite effect in my opinion
vote: rodemy
this dude is scum, y'all can sheep this
also its nice to be back again
His calling be scummy was based off of nothing. (Unless he wants to explain)
And then he states “rod is STILL scummy” as in he saw something scummy before, yet he doesn’t mention it.. just wanted to vote me.
Also in the same mindset, declares everyone scummy except Tom.
So he doesn’t like TAU, for voting him and having a legit reason for doing so, and like Tom because Tom is kind of nice to him.
It feels like new scum to me.
First of all, dont assume its nothing, I was at work and didnt feel like taking the time to elaborate it at the time
again still attacking me before I even had the chance to explain
not everyone, thats silly, just a few, and I liked Toms entrance, im still not moving him out of neutral because hes Tom
Only scum need to elaborate that much to justify an early vote, this is a level-0 read, and I dont necessarily believe it anymore, because his large post, that I read at work, was very clear, with concise thoughts, and didnt come off as him trying to jump the gun on anyone
last point which I quoted before, but dont shade my ability to play as any alignment, or you be in for a rough time, this is fake read, try again
but now that I gave my thoughts, go ahead, you can refute them, but dont insult my intelligence before i even get to make my thoughts, and complain how I still havent given them, when I clearly made a post stating I would elaborate later, more than one time actually.
I honestly still think you are scum at this point, and Idk know how meta means anything from just a few posts, and meta is never concrete, just a building block, and kinda stupid to argue it gives anything but maybe a light ping in any direction at his point in the game
Lol Reaverb. I've made two posts in the game: One was an RVS on wisp which is an absolutely clear RVS, even without context. Where do you get a proper vote out of that? What a riot.
I do not see how character and meta are a synonym.
PS: I'd prefer if you didn't call me out for something as I think it's weak. I've been talking about my vote as other players asked me questins on it. People are going to talk about actions you've done, there's no point asking them not to.
1. idk thats how it came off, why did you rvs me?
2. Voting KJ is bad? Why exactly, have his posts given off any town pings?
3. Riku is probably the only one I would read solely off meta, yes a contradiction to my lost post, but hey, this dude is probably only readable off meta IMO, and as of right now, he is leaning town
Tom didn't say he disliked the state of the game tho. So how is he losing townpoints?
That post got moderately mangled between thought and keyboard, what I meant to say was "tomsloger and LastWhisper both made the conspicuous choice not to move the game forward, such as by not using their votes effectively."
LastWhisper demonstrated he disliked the gamestate by saying it, while tomsloger made several low-impact posts + has enough experience I expect him to identify the tepid thread mood as bad for Town. (Notice in #18 he states that not random voting is his meta, rather than arguing whether it's good or bad for Town.)
LastWhisper's version of slacking off struck me as less consistent with a Town mindset. If a Townie was about to post #20, I would expect them to attempt to directly solve the problem (make a good RVS vote) or dig deeper into why the RVS state was bad and give a more nuanced response. (Maybe, "I'll be back in a few hours when the game has actually started" or such)
tomsloger meanwhile could be making low-effort posts because they're easy, because they enjoy them, etc. I don't have citations, but from my vague impression of reading tomsloger's games this fits my mental model of him as either alignment. This still makes it scumtell - I would still expect more effort to make an impact on the game from a Town!tomsloger than a Scum!tomsloger, because Town!tomsloger has more reasons to do so - but a less reliable one.
--- @Killjoy Yes in my mind everybody starts with townpoints.
--- @LastWhisper Can you go into more detail on your Rodemy read?
My vote was good... what scale are you rating it on? Honestly I like your thoughts here, you are still wrong on how you are trying to read me posts, and I think you honestly shouldnt bother trying to read me at all this early, because you arent going to find anything to push, that I wont refute
Also how can you go from saying you thought it felt nervous to not being sure how you felt about it?
How exactly do you interpret my post like that? "Thats just how I felt", gives a clear meaning, and Im assuming you arguing the "idk" part, which holds no relevance at all when defining the sentence, its just how I talk
as of right now Tau is at a light town lean, reading his posts at work, they seemed really forced, but rereading them again while having the time to actually evaluate them, they just see super natural, I just dont really agree with them
@Whisper
Can you provide me with an example of a “good” entry post? Make one up or use one from this game, I’m just trying to gauge what you’re looking for.
@Whisper
Can you provide me with an example of a “good” entry post? Make one up or use one from this game, I’m just trying to gauge what you’re looking for.
just vote? dont tryi to hard to make the post come off as comical? dont give some deep reason for why you are voting someone? like its ******* RVS, if your gunna join it, then make it random, also mafia like to enter the thread first, you can try to argue thats not always the case, but I think otherwise
I think grapes kj read of "watching him try to inprove his town game" is likely a good one. I dont know to what advice hes referring, but grape clearly does and its not the sort of read grape makes on a buddy so think it can be trusted as correct regardless of grape.
Prolly jumping the gun on that but its just that kind of read
Also I didn't find scum in those early posts, it was you... Am I making your nervous? Does it feel bad that I caught you already?
LastWhisper demonstrated he disliked the gamestate by saying it, while tomsloger made several low-impact posts + has enough experience I expect him to identify the tepid thread mood as bad for Town. (Notice in #18 he states that not random voting is his meta, rather than arguing whether it's good or bad for Town.)
LastWhisper's version of slacking off struck me as less consistent with a Town mindset. If a Townie was about to post #20, I would expect them to attempt to directly solve the problem (make a good RVS vote) or dig deeper into why the RVS state was bad and give a more nuanced response. (Maybe, "I'll be back in a few hours when the game has actually started" or such)
tomsloger meanwhile could be making low-effort posts because they're easy, because they enjoy them, etc. I don't have citations, but from my vague impression of reading tomsloger's games this fits my mental model of him as either alignment. This still makes it scumtell - I would still expect more effort to make an impact on the game from a Town!tomsloger than a Scum!tomsloger, because Town!tomsloger has more reasons to do so - but a less reliable one.
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@Killjoy Yes in my mind everybody starts with townpoints.
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@LastWhisper Can you go into more detail on your Rodemy read?
Vote: Wisp for science.
Lastwhisper (4): Reaverb Tau, Rumanshi, Rodemy, Grapefruit21
LnGrrrR (2): Vaimes, Rhand
Rhand (1): LnGrrrR
Rodemy (1): Lastwhisper
Grapefruit21 (1): M1ndreaver
Killjoy (1): KamikazeArchon
tomsloger (1): EtR
Not Voting (6): Tubba Fett, tomsloger, zdtsd, Killjoy, August
With 16 alive, it’s 9 to lynch.
Yes:
His calling be scummy was based off of nothing. (Unless he wants to explain)
And then he states “rod is STILL scummy” as in he saw something scummy before, yet he doesn’t mention it.. just wanted to vote me.
Also in the same mindset, declares everyone scummy except Tom.
So he doesn’t like TAU, for voting him and having a legit reason for doing so, and like Tom because Tom is kind of nice to him.
It feels like new scum to me.
unvote
vote Lastwhisper
Well that's good it makes finding scum easier(for me).
I'll make a real post when enough posts are posted for my post to analyze enough posts.
Deal with it.
For example, what do you think of Rodemy and Lastwhisper?
Hmmm... I guess I’d like to hear Whisper’s thoughts on Rod. I’m not seeing anything blatant that would warrant the way they’ve discussed him. I also tentatively agree with Kami about this not being the same Rod from Ghostbusters. That seems to be about the only thing that’s really gone on, IMO.
We'll see how that develops.
Rod can be town.
I have no actual opinion on last but reading my entrance town could be TMI.
No one that knows me thinks that was AI at all, right?
Kj pinged me scum that usually means hes town.
I know its early but id be really surprised by no scum on thst wagon regardless of last's alignment.
Also explain your vote pl0x.
Same to you @Riku
@Tau: Have you never played with tom before? I'll agree that nothing he's done yet (possibly ever?) is AI. There's a reason I solve him the way I do. Nothing else works for me.
@Tom: I'm inclined to agree that someone on that wagon is scum. My initial thoughts would be Riku and Kami. What are your thoughts here?
KJ feels town. I think I finally know how to read him.
vote:killjoy
Except he didn’t mention it was his meta. Soooooo, explain again how tom is losing “townpoints”
Kami
Why does my friendly tone ping you? it's so common of me to get a ***** ton of RVS votes, that it actually gets infuriating in a friendly sense
What exactly do you like about tau? I haven't really liked any of his posts
For poorly explained votes (particularly the Lastwhisper one) and low-impact activity.
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tomsloger stuff:
I'm pretty sure I have never played with tomsloger before. Except he did: Unless you have some bizarre reading where "character" isn't a synonym to "meta"? Also, I don't know how to respond to the request to "explain again" without a hint on how the first explanation didn't work.
PS: I'd prefer to stop talking about my tomsloger read, it's pretty weak. I've been talking about it because other players have been asking questions on it.
Lastwhisper ( 3 ): Rodemy (45); Grapefruit21 (56); KamikazeArchon (61);
LnGrrrR ( 2 ): Rhand (10); Vaimes (9);
Grapefruit21 ( 1 ): M1ndreaver (19);
Killjoy ( 1 ): Rumanshi (73);
Rhand ( 1 ): LnGrrrR (8);
Rodemy ( 1 ): Lastwhisper (15);
Rumanshi ( 1 ): Reaverb Tau (80);
I do not see how character and meta are a synonym.
PS: I'd prefer if you didn't call me out for something as I think it's weak. I've been talking about my vote as other players asked me questins on it. People are going to talk about actions you've done, there's no point asking them not to.
@riku voting KJ is bad. Don't do that.
I little bit on how I play, I think you can get a lot from someones entrance, sometimes it isnt always accurate, and Im more so a believer of every post means something, not that I am able to find a reason behind every post... Scum like to make entrances into the game that give off a more comical vibe, it helps them enter the thread, and thats what I see here, I thought many others did the same thing, but I honestly cant push them all
didnt like this post for the same reason, he is also a little lower on my scale, for exactly the same reason, why I jumped on Rodemy over him was because I thought Rods was a little more forced
In what way?
hi
this is actually really forced, but I liked your thoughts in a more later post which ill get to
I really didnt like these thoughts, they just felt like scum interjecting to keep their presence in the thread
I did like his question here, it feels a better, I'm looking at how people enter the game
was not a fan of this post, think it more proves my point that he is just posting for the sake of looking towny, as he agrees with Toms answer so easily, and has to state that its still noteworthy
I like this question as well
I found you didnt I, idk why it bothers you so much? do you think I am trying to bury you right out of the gate? Im glad you feel good about your votes, but I feel like that statement, is just scummy, "Hey im placing my vote here, and I want you all to know that I am really ok with it", like for some reason you needed to state how strongly you felt about it, which gives off the opposite effect in my opinion
First of all, dont assume its nothing, I was at work and didnt feel like taking the time to elaborate it at the time
again still attacking me before I even had the chance to explain
not everyone, thats silly, just a few, and I liked Toms entrance, im still not moving him out of neutral because hes Tom
Only scum need to elaborate that much to justify an early vote, this is a level-0 read, and I dont necessarily believe it anymore, because his large post, that I read at work, was very clear, with concise thoughts, and didnt come off as him trying to jump the gun on anyone
last point which I quoted before, but dont shade my ability to play as any alignment, or you be in for a rough time, this is fake read, try again
but now that I gave my thoughts, go ahead, you can refute them, but dont insult my intelligence before i even get to make my thoughts, and complain how I still havent given them, when I clearly made a post stating I would elaborate later, more than one time actually.
I honestly still think you are scum at this point, and Idk know how meta means anything from just a few posts, and meta is never concrete, just a building block, and kinda stupid to argue it gives anything but maybe a light ping in any direction at his point in the game
1. idk thats how it came off, why did you rvs me?
2. Voting KJ is bad? Why exactly, have his posts given off any town pings?
3. Riku is probably the only one I would read solely off meta, yes a contradiction to my lost post, but hey, this dude is probably only readable off meta IMO, and as of right now, he is leaning town
And KJ is screaming town KJ trying to apply advice from spec chats. He reads exactly like he's trying to do 5 different things Eco suggested.
Question, have you played with Tom before?
and fair enough, I wouldnt say Killjoy is polarized, but Ill state that in the last game I played with him, he just radiated scum
again, why did you vote me?
I would’ve accepted “K. I’ll do it even harder.”
@Grape
What’s firming your town read on Killjoy?
*Voting killjoy intensifies*
Can you provide me with an example of a “good” entry post? Make one up or use one from this game, I’m just trying to gauge what you’re looking for.
Prolly jumping the gun on that but its just that kind of read
Hes prolly a PR worried about looking bad and tryharding. If i were scum id kill him early
@mafia