Possible buddy in dvslot/rod. Im usually down to open wolf like that.
Any of tauslot, kami, etrslot, tubba, vez could work. I know full well ive had them higher than they prolly deserve. Though i pretty thoroughly yelled at kami after he pushed me for being vla so thats less likely.
Anakslot, osislot, and vaimes lock clear if im scum
Lngrr ive pushed a bunch but never actually tried to lynch, so that works
Think i still work with kj but not grape but let's just set that aside since youre asking
So, like
Tom+lngrr+vez+[rod or chris]
Swap out for tubba/highroller.
Etr could be on there but im already planning to put the screws to RE eventually
I wanted Chris's opinion. This does nothing to help me figure you out.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Possible buddy in dvslot/rod. Im usually down to open wolf like that.
Any of tauslot, kami, etrslot, tubba, vez could work. I know full well ive had them higher than they prolly deserve. Though i pretty thoroughly yelled at kami after he pushed me for being vla so thats less likely.
Anakslot, osislot, and vaimes lock clear if im scum
Lngrr ive pushed a bunch but never actually tried to lynch, so that works
Think i still work with kj but not grape but let's just set that aside since youre asking
So, like
Tom+lngrr+vez+[rod or chris]
Swap out for tubba/highroller.
Etr could be on there but im already planning to put the screws to RE eventually
I wanted Chris's opinion. This does nothing to help me figure you out.
Chris can you point to the post? I can't find.
it should!
Thats an honest answer regardless
Chris/rod/vez/highroller/lngrr/tubba my most viable buddies.
Ill add if im scum that contains either all my buddies or i left 2 out, because 2 of 6 options and 1 left off is too easy to grok wifom-wise
Read vez's ISO, I think he's town. Especially for #1679.
Also thinking the analogy used in #2156 is pretty strong if he's a wolf and osie is town.
May do a meta dive? I could be underestimating him as scum and there are a couple things that ping me, like the ease in switching between suspects (Kami -> GJ /osie-> Anak), so I'd like him to give an exact stance on osie and Anak (like, do they fit on the same team, etc). Basically, world building.
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RE seems to be trying to solve. In my previous experience with scum RE they don't do that much. Light lean mind you.
Anyway KJ I'll say it: I said exactly Tom/KA/Vez/Anak because I threw out Vez/KA as chum to sate Tom's lust for non-Osi targets and he passed. So scum Tom really had to go out of his way to get to scum Anak if KA and Vez are town.
It's a world that exists, but it is a world that I mow through the other names before getting to Tom 100% of the time.
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Achromatic on MU, I can see why you wouldn't recognize me I am actually good here lol.
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RE seems to be trying to solve. In my previous experience with scum RE they don't do that much. Light lean mind you.
Anyway KJ I'll say it: I said exactly Tom/KA/Vez/Anak because I threw out Vez/KA as chum to sate Tom's lust for non-Osi targets and he passed. So scum Tom really had to go out of his way to get to scum Anak if KA and Vez are town.
It's a world that exists, but it is a world that I mow through the other names before getting to Tom 100% of the time.
to be honest...
This is already more than id expect out of scumRE today so im sorta inclined to agree.
The two of us absolutely wrecked scumRE in hydra game but
Well you know
Think that team might be viable based on that action alone. But i do think im soldily unaligned with anak apart from that and me/kami makes sense by both our stances prolly but it would be a lot of theater that doesnt even have real benefit. Eod1 i got (to be fair, NAI) pissed at him. And me and your predeccessor ganged up on him pretty hard...
Think it would just be in the 6 people i listed for kj
Sure, this is what I'm seeing that I am calling "sheeping": voting X with little or no explanation, specifically when X just got wagon traction or just got votes from another source, and especially when your justification adds up to "I agree with what others say".
2304: Your vote on Anak as the Anak wagon gets rolling (explicitly a "those other people are right" vote)
2019: Your vote on Osie following Tom's 2011.
1891: Your vote on Tom following Grapefruit's 1888.
1077: Your vote on Rhand as the Rhand wagon gets rolling.
440: Your vote on EtR following my own 426.
362: Your vote on LnGrrr following Tau's 359 (in this one you explicitly call it a sheep!)
You only have a couple of votes that don't follow this pattern. Your #1802 (still almost no explanation, but at least it's not following anyone or on an existing wagon); and your #312 and #314 at the very start of the game, which are the best votes you've had.
I dislike this because you're not pushing your own thoughts on these votes. You're just going with what's happening. You have posts in between that look like analysis but they don't seem connected to your actual voting.
Mm, okay.
I'm pretty fluid with my not-townreads. If someone else is pushing them, I'll go along with it. I don't consider that sheeping because I have my own reasons for wanting player xyz lynched; for it to be a sheep, I'd have to only be lynching them because of reasons other players have given. I'm not gonna check 362, but there's like a ~50% chance I was being ironic. I remember explicitly sheeping Tau on Mindreaver, but that's about it.
This is something I do pretty much all the time (a mix of real sheeping and faux-sheeping, maybe like 20% and 80% respectively), but we don't play together often so I can understand if you don't buy the Self-Meta I'm selling. Other players who know me can chime in if they feel differently.
I'm pretty fluid with my not-townreads. If someone else is pushing them, I'll go along with it. I don't consider that sheeping because I have my own reasons for wanting player xyz lynched; for it to be a sheep, I'd have to only be lynching them because of reasons other players have given.
Okay, so where do you express those reasons? If you're saying that you just have reasons in your head and you haven't posted them in the thread, that's not convincing.
RE seems to be trying to solve. In my previous experience with scum RE they don't do that much. Light lean mind you.
Anyway KJ I'll say it: I said exactly Tom/KA/Vez/Anak because I threw out Vez/KA as chum to sate Tom's lust for non-Osi targets and he passed. So scum Tom really had to go out of his way to get to scum Anak if KA and Vez are town.
It's a world that exists, but it is a world that I mow through the other names before getting to Tom 100% of the time.
to be honest...
This is already more than id expect out of scumRE today so im sorta inclined to agree.
The two of us absolutely wrecked scumRE in hydra game but
Well you know
Think that team might be viable based on that action alone. But i do think im soldily unaligned with anak apart from that and me/kami makes sense by both our stances prolly but it would be a lot of theater that doesnt even have real benefit. Eod1 i got (to be fair, NAI) pissed at him. And me and your predeccessor ganged up on him pretty hard...
Think it would just be in the 6 people i listed for kj
In fairness if I got the exact scum team right here I can see scumtom going BE CASUAL, ADD A SHRUG SMILIE
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Okay, so where do you express those reasons? If you're saying that you just have reasons in your head and you haven't posted them in the thread, that's not convincing.
They're usually spread out among my posts. Sometimes I do traditional cases.
In that world my plan is probably keep pushing whichever anak/osi survives the day since both are town, bus whichever buddies are in lnggr/vez, plan to win with some combo of chris/rod/highroller/tubba/kj
"I'm here" doesn't answer whether you're going to vote.
Saying that I would vote Anak over Osie does though, no?
Okay let me be more explicit.
Please vote Anak now, I don't want a down-to-the-wire oopsie.
Just let the record show this feels like scum "Oh I know what I will do, I will show concern that something bad might happen!" This rings very false to me just like Vezo's post rang very false to me when he voted Osi and then when he again voted Anak.
Just let the record show that. Also why I like RE: I think KA is scum tryharding on a town RE being like "why didnt you vote? you gonna vote? WHY HAVEN'T YOU VOTED HUH!?"
I have a lot of ISOs to do tbf though so I may be skewed, we'll see.
Chris note: 0 danger of anak not being lynched here. If Osi is lynched and is town while Tom votes them I do not think there is a force on this earth capable of saving Tom.
Also Anak is a frozen statue lol. Completely just gave up.
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I came into this Day wanting to focus on the off-wagon voters from D1, because there were more flipped villagers, which meant a narrower lynch pool.
iirc all of the wagons today have been on one of those four players, and I didn't really have the energy to pick out which one I thought was most likely scum. GJ slot gave me a bit of whiplast, due to a combination of osie being scummy on purpose and tom pushing really hard on that slot, but other than that I let myself coast this Day phase. Whip me for it later.
In that world my plan is probably keep pushing whichever anak/osi survives the day since both are town, bus whichever buddies are in lnggr/vez, plan to win with some combo of chris/rod/highroller/tubba/kj
Actually me/you/re/??? prolly makes sense rn too
FTR if Anak is town I am hellmurdering you tomorrow. Not because I don't agree but because that would mean you've been nothing but wrong in my world view. So if sneaky Scum Tom thinks this game will go his way 'oh boy' to that.
But uh..Anak is an ice cube so that paranoia is kind of moot.
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Happy with End time here tbh, visiting my girlfriend on the weekend so I get to bask in glory that is successfully balling out to save Osi from the evil scum. Or I have this very wrong and we get to make fun of me post game always viable options I guess.
Vezo you're next, hope you've got better than "MUST BE SOME POWER WOLVES"
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In that world my plan is probably keep pushing whichever anak/osi survives the day since both are town, bus whichever buddies are in lnggr/vez, plan to win with some combo of chris/rod/highroller/tubba/kj
Actually me/you/re/??? prolly makes sense rn too
FTR if Anak is town I am hellmurdering you tomorrow. Not because I don't agree but because that would mean you've been nothing but wrong in my world view. So if sneaky Scum Tom thinks this game will go his way 'oh boy' to that.
But uh..Anak is an ice cube so that paranoia is kind of moot.
Hot take: If Anak is scum there are FOR SURE 2 scum on him. 100% of the time.
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I feel like if I am right about 2 then Rod has 0% scum equity. You either stay on Osi and have conviction or go to Anak and bus. Being 'eh' is purely town.
Interesting take, Tom-kun.
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I’m not voting because I was reading. And I am against an anuk Lynch. Still don’t see how he is scum.
But I guess it doesn’t matter anyway.
@Rodemy what do you think of the fact that he was gone for over 24 hours after he asked for more time to defend himself?
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I am actually getting packed for a flight so I can't sand by but I will let Killjoy stand by for me.
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So Vaimes... any further comment on me calling you bad?
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It’s only as much of a problem as “everyone scumreading me is scum” was: mostly just comes off as hyper-fixated, missing the forest for some trees.
How am I missing the forest for the trees? I'm pointing out osieorb is being completely hypocritical in a very obvious way. He is being completely hypocritical in a very obvious way. There's no hidden layers of nuance to this, it's just that straightforward.
@Highroller talk to me more about KJ. You deflected last time I asked you to explain the scum read and I gave you parts of why I'm town reading him. It's your turn to justify this scum read because to me he's very obviously town.
I didn't deflect anything. Killjoy's entire playstyle this game can be summed up as, "Hang back, ask questions here and there, take no real hard stances on anything." That hang-in-the-background style of play is a definite mafia tactic. Add to that the fact that he was on the completely baseless LastWhisper wagon and yeah, I'ma find him suspicious.
Eh that wasn't self promotion. Me being the best player in this game is self promotion. That's an observation of how my presence changed the day with my world view. Cant argue I impacted the game good or bad.
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If you think it is Oai tomorrow then hohoho do I have a surprise for you.
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Chris can you point to the post? I can't find.
Why you like RE?
Thats an honest answer regardless
Chris/rod/vez/highroller/lngrr/tubba my most viable buddies.
Ill add if im scum that contains either all my buddies or i left 2 out, because 2 of 6 options and 1 left off is too easy to grok wifom-wise
Also thinking the analogy used in #2156 is pretty strong if he's a wolf and osie is town.
May do a meta dive? I could be underestimating him as scum and there are a couple things that ping me, like the ease in switching between suspects (Kami -> GJ /osie-> Anak), so I'd like him to give an exact stance on osie and Anak (like, do they fit on the same team, etc). Basically, world building.
Anyway KJ I'll say it: I said exactly Tom/KA/Vez/Anak because I threw out Vez/KA as chum to sate Tom's lust for non-Osi targets and he passed. So scum Tom really had to go out of his way to get to scum Anak if KA and Vez are town.
It's a world that exists, but it is a world that I mow through the other names before getting to Tom 100% of the time.
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This is already more than id expect out of scumRE today so im sorta inclined to agree.
The two of us absolutely wrecked scumRE in hydra game but
Well you know
Think that team might be viable based on that action alone. But i do think im soldily unaligned with anak apart from that and me/kami makes sense by both our stances prolly but it would be a lot of theater that doesnt even have real benefit. Eod1 i got (to be fair, NAI) pissed at him. And me and your predeccessor ganged up on him pretty hard...
Think it would just be in the 6 people i listed for kj
I'm pretty fluid with my not-townreads. If someone else is pushing them, I'll go along with it. I don't consider that sheeping because I have my own reasons for wanting player xyz lynched; for it to be a sheep, I'd have to only be lynching them because of reasons other players have given. I'm not gonna check 362, but there's like a ~50% chance I was being ironic. I remember explicitly sheeping Tau on Mindreaver, but that's about it.
This is something I do pretty much all the time (a mix of real sheeping and faux-sheeping, maybe like 20% and 80% respectively), but we don't play together often so I can understand if you don't buy the Self-Meta I'm selling. Other players who know me can chime in if they feel differently.
Like when I tried to mislynch tom in Secret Agents!
I'm working less next week so I'm excited to have like. Actual energy for the game.
In fairness if I got the exact scum team right here I can see scumtom going BE CASUAL, ADD A SHRUG SMILIE
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Please vote Anak now, I don't want a down-to-the-wire oopsie.
Yes I know it's horribly inconvenient.
Actually me/you/re/??? prolly makes sense rn too
Just let the record show this feels like scum "Oh I know what I will do, I will show concern that something bad might happen!" This rings very false to me just like Vezo's post rang very false to me when he voted Osi and then when he again voted Anak.
Just let the record show that. Also why I like RE: I think KA is scum tryharding on a town RE being like "why didnt you vote? you gonna vote? WHY HAVEN'T YOU VOTED HUH!?"
I have a lot of ISOs to do tbf though so I may be skewed, we'll see.
Chris note: 0 danger of anak not being lynched here. If Osi is lynched and is town while Tom votes them I do not think there is a force on this earth capable of saving Tom.
Also Anak is a frozen statue lol. Completely just gave up.
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I came into this Day wanting to focus on the off-wagon voters from D1, because there were more flipped villagers, which meant a narrower lynch pool.
iirc all of the wagons today have been on one of those four players, and I didn't really have the energy to pick out which one I thought was most likely scum. GJ slot gave me a bit of whiplast, due to a combination of osie being scummy on purpose and tom pushing really hard on that slot, but other than that I let myself coast this Day phase. Whip me for it later.
FTR if Anak is town I am hellmurdering you tomorrow. Not because I don't agree but because that would mean you've been nothing but wrong in my world view. So if sneaky Scum Tom thinks this game will go his way 'oh boy' to that.
But uh..Anak is an ice cube so that paranoia is kind of moot.
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vote: Anak
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Vezo you're next, hope you've got better than "MUST BE SOME POWER WOLVES"
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Dont think that world exists though
Hammertime!
vote anak
osi (4): LnGrr, Highroller, Anak, grape
Not Voting (2): Tubba, Rod
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Lngrr and the nonvoters are just... not around to do the things they should be doing if scum
Separate from what feels like a pretty easy townread on rod, his "fine unvote osi" but no move to anak has some equity
Interesting take, Tom-kun.
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But I guess it doesn’t matter anyway.
Disregard
@Rodemy what do you think of the fact that he was gone for over 24 hours after he asked for more time to defend himself?
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Anaklusmos (8): Sir Chris, osieorb18, Killjoy, Vaimes, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, RE1031, tomsloger
osieorb18 (4): LnGrrrR, Highroller, Anaklusmos, Grapefruit21
Not Voting (2): Tubba Fett, Rodemy
Thats a lynch! Standby for scene.
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2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
I haven't really bothered reading into him in detail, there are people who seem far more mafia than he does.
I didn't deflect anything. Killjoy's entire playstyle this game can be summed up as, "Hang back, ask questions here and there, take no real hard stances on anything." That hang-in-the-background style of play is a definite mafia tactic. Add to that the fact that he was on the completely baseless LastWhisper wagon and yeah, I'ma find him suspicious.
What pushes him to definitely town in your boat?
How is it D_V managed to get replaced with someone with the same level of self-promotion, I wonder?
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player