Really need to stop getting drawn in but yall seem to fall so easily for his nonsensical emotional manipulation.
Hes hiding even more in his faux indignation since it started working.
Like, realize what he could be doing instead of whining at me and cherry picking posts.
He has no response to anything relevant. Hes amended his top townread to scum with me *guess the ******* scum motivation*
Johnny cared more about being townread than solving. Thats irrefutable fact.
Osi cares more about playing the victim than reading enough to make his "worldview" make sense
Dont fall for it
*Sigh* I'm sorry that you feel persecuted by your idea that I have a persecution complex, Tom. Can we get back to the game? I've been looking at other people and trying to move on if you're willing.
Chris: How do you square a scum!anak read with a scum!tom read? Yes, bussing exists - but do you think their interactions specifically have been a likely situation for bussing, and why? Do you see anything in the posts that points to them being bus/distancing?
I don't, it is why I was asking Osi to explain their read. It makes no sense for scum tom to be with scum Anak.
Could you explain this, actually? Because I wasn't really seeing that. Maybe I'm just always open to more worlds and am missing something obvious, but several people have discounted a Tom-Anak world and especially on the Anak side I wasn't seeing it, and Tom's play is usually versatile enough that I wouldn't be surprised here. But I may have missed something glaring for a more experienced or more entrenched player.
@Osie I can see the tom/anak being ruled out by anak being scum because tom was the first, loudest, and most consistent voice pushing Mindreaver. To me an Anak scum flip doesn't completely scratch tom off the list but it would until a game losing situation. I tried to push Mind as town and tom was all over me forcing me to justify my read and pushing back on it.
@Osie I can see the tom/anak being ruled out by anak being scum because tom was the first, loudest, and most consistent voice pushing Mindreaver. To me an Anak scum flip doesn't completely scratch tom off the list but it would until a game losing situation. I tried to push Mind as town and tom was all over me forcing me to justify my read and pushing back on it.
Also when I asked who I should murder in order for him to leave Osi he said Anak.
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Basically in no worlds does a scum tom sic a town chris on a scumbuddy if he wants that scumbuddy to be anything but fine paste.
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I'm convinced Kami doesn't actually know what a sheep vote is.
Unpacking this: You're saying I'm using terminology incorrectly, using that to implicitly shade my play, and implicitly dismiss my suspicion of your actions. You don't actually address the problem with your actions and why I dislike them.
Yeah that's a strong reason as well, especially when his reasoning is that he thinks that slot is more likely to be a scum PR.
Anyway let's just see where I'm at.
I'm town, KJ knows my flavor and protected me D1 so he's town. Rod has been tonally right and hasn't betrayed any sort of mindset slips. He's been absent which is a slight worry but when he was around he felt right. Sir Chris is town because everyone but me town read DV and I'm trusting that.
Grape
KJ, Rod, Chris
Tau's gambit was most likely to come from town and Highroller feels like his stubborn, principled self. Tubba had a strongly townie tone in the mid game but his lack of activity early or late is a worry. Vaimes has been in this category. His recent pop in was wolfy but his vibe when going back and forth with GJ was townie enough that I'm happy to keep him here for now.
Highroller, Tubba, Vaimes
Tom and Osie are their own special bundle. I firmly believed that one of them is likely to be scum based on the first half of the game but Chris's strong town reads on both have been persuasive. I'm not there yet but I'm doubting my "One of these is always scum" stance now, but am not ready to completely give up on it yet. If it wasn't obvious I think Osie is vastly more likely to be scum of the two.
Tomsie
That leaves us with KA, RE, Anak, LnG, and Vez. RE is a weird one. I have had serious misgivings about the slot throughout the game. I kind of want to ignore it for now and see what RE does. EtR's response to the Tau play was bizarre for either alignment. I'm inclined to think the slot is town just by the number of players in my PoE who pushed it hard. But I really don't have a strong read on it from it's own play. A few things have felt townie, a few have felt scummy.
I think Vez has been all over the place in my reads. I really need to refresh on this slot. The only thing in my mind without checking has been his play since Chris entered the thread which is giving me a strong scum vibe but a lot of that is from the bloodthirstiness and Vez is generally bloodthirsty as an NAI thing.
LnG probably should have died D1. Still would be happy to resolve that slot but it's been surpassed by others (anak and Osie).
KA I actually have felt really good about in the past 6 hours. I kind of want to town read him but I haven't done the diligence and don't have the time to reread so he can be nil for now, which is probably the best ranking I've given him all game.
Anak has been discussed enough recently.
Grape
KJ, Rod, Chris
Highroller, Tubba, Vaimes
Tomsie
EtR
KA
Vez/LnG
Anak
Let's be real here: I've already put Anak in my top three most suspicious people prior to the GJ meltdown/osieorb debacle. Not sure where I'd rank him now, but the answer's pretty high.
But I don't trust this sudden bandwagon at all, and I don't like Sir Chris's I-will-lynch-anyone-else-including-myself to save osieorb. Sir Chris is definitely working an angle, but I don't know what it is.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Tom What bumped KJ and me back up in your eyes tom? iirc we'd been slipping down your reads for a while.
Checking that last two times you colored we were in our own tier below DV and Rod.
Similarly what improved KA and Tubba in your eyes?
meh?
Kjs not filling me with confidence but ive mostly liked you today. Mostly just feeling the mechanics a little less
Kami and tubba didnt really improve so much as vaimes dipping
Then the tiers looking off.
But as implied, middle tiers are real muddy and gray rn
You'd consistently had Highroller above KA and Tubba. I was much more interested in the HR fall than the vaimes one which I could track easily. Especially with you seeming to agree with Chris' Tau read/excitement. I can get behind the middle being a mess, I just didn't think you had HR as part of it.
*furrows eyebrows and wishes I'd colored your 'm' orange*
@Tom What bumped KJ and me back up in your eyes tom? iirc we'd been slipping down your reads for a while.
Checking that last two times you colored we were in our own tier below DV and Rod.
Similarly what improved KA and Tubba in your eyes?
meh?
Kjs not filling me with confidence but ive mostly liked you today. Mostly just feeling the mechanics a little less
Kami and tubba didnt really improve so much as vaimes dipping
Then the tiers looking off.
But as implied, middle tiers are real muddy and gray rn
You'd consistently had Highroller above KA and Tubba. I was much more interested in the HR fall than the vaimes one which I could track easily. Especially with you seeming to agree with Chris' Tau read/excitement. I can get behind the middle being a mess, I just didn't think you had HR as part of it.
*furrows eyebrows and wishes I'd colored your 'm' orange*
its not a fall though? Hr is the same place, tubba/kami joined him because i have enough people im negative on
Dont really understand your eyebrow furrowing though its more clerical than anything else. Would prolly say kami is actually uo with highroller and tubba is lower than the two but i still didnt want to put him the next one down?
Still standing by it. Though the only important move to me was vaimes down
Real talk grape i dont think youre showing enough recency bias
Theres... some number of worlds where scum didnt really have to do *anything* until chris replaced in...
Even scumETR worlds they would have mostly pretty easy stuff to react to.
So yeah i think youve got too much d1 going into your vaimes and kami reads basically. Maybe me too tbh but whatever
I was trying really hard not to give into recency bias in that post because I wanted to put KA even higher than I did. Vaimes I'm not really to make a recency read on because he's mostly just absent and while his pop-in was wolfy it was just a one pop-in.
You? Ehhhhhh... My read of you is all over the place (hence all the colors). I'm of so many different minds about you and Osie right now that I'm just not trying to sort through it because I need to do a full deep dive. Which I don't really have time to do.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Tom What bumped KJ and me back up in your eyes tom? iirc we'd been slipping down your reads for a while.
Checking that last two times you colored we were in our own tier below DV and Rod.
Similarly what improved KA and Tubba in your eyes?
meh?
Kjs not filling me with confidence but ive mostly liked you today. Mostly just feeling the mechanics a little less
Kami and tubba didnt really improve so much as vaimes dipping
Then the tiers looking off.
But as implied, middle tiers are real muddy and gray rn
You'd consistently had Highroller above KA and Tubba. I was much more interested in the HR fall than the vaimes one which I could track easily. Especially with you seeming to agree with Chris' Tau read/excitement. I can get behind the middle being a mess, I just didn't think you had HR as part of it.
*furrows eyebrows and wishes I'd colored your 'm' orange*
its not a fall though? Hr is the same place, tubba/kami joined him because i have enough people im negative on
Dont really understand your eyebrow furrowing though its more clerical than anything else. Would prolly say kami is actually uo with highroller and tubba is lower than the two but i still didnt want to put him the next one down?
Still standing by it. Though the only important move to me was vaimes down
Meh... It probably doesn't matter but like I'm pretty sure that's a contradiction. Like HR had always been higher in your reads than KA and Tubba and if he didn't fall and they didn't rise having them together doesn't add up. But again, pretty sure Osie is just scum and it doesn't matter.
Basically in no worlds does a scum tom sic a town chris on a scumbuddy if he wants that scumbuddy to be anything but fine paste.
scum Tom would totally do this. I think Tom can solo a have if he needs to. Do you think he can't?
its not a matter of could
Ive had plenty of buddies let me down and i have to carry.
But i usually wouldnt because i play to my win condition.
Attempting to get Chris of your trail by throwing one if the scummier members of your team to him would be playing to your win con though.
It's a bit risky but not out of the realm of possibility id say.
like, sure that individual action. Any individual action should be possible from me
But ive been doing it all game.
And frankly if it was a planned bus/distancing thing he prolly wouldnt just vaguely townread me while saying im wrong. Much more profit in pushing back
Believe what you want i guess. If he does, in fact, flip scum... come at me bro
@Tom What bumped KJ and me back up in your eyes tom? iirc we'd been slipping down your reads for a while.
Checking that last two times you colored we were in our own tier below DV and Rod.
Similarly what improved KA and Tubba in your eyes?
meh?
Kjs not filling me with confidence but ive mostly liked you today. Mostly just feeling the mechanics a little less
Kami and tubba didnt really improve so much as vaimes dipping
Then the tiers looking off.
But as implied, middle tiers are real muddy and gray rn
You'd consistently had Highroller above KA and Tubba. I was much more interested in the HR fall than the vaimes one which I could track easily. Especially with you seeming to agree with Chris' Tau read/excitement. I can get behind the middle being a mess, I just didn't think you had HR as part of it.
*furrows eyebrows and wishes I'd colored your 'm' orange*
its not a fall though? Hr is the same place, tubba/kami joined him because i have enough people im negative on
Dont really understand your eyebrow furrowing though its more clerical than anything else. Would prolly say kami is actually uo with highroller and tubba is lower than the two but i still didnt want to put him the next one down?
Still standing by it. Though the only important move to me was vaimes down
Meh... It probably doesn't matter but like I'm pretty sure that's a contradiction. Like HR had always been higher in your reads than KA and Tubba and if he didn't fall and they didn't rise having them together doesn't add up. But again, pretty sure Osie is just scum and it doesn't matter.
no contradiction at all!
Be me
Move vaimes down
Move vezok down
Decide its cleaner and feels righter to combine chris/rod with grapejoy
Do the same for highroller and the two below
Briefly consider moving tubba down or giving him his own tier
Decide to just not color the middle because its muddy
All of this with far less thought than you've given my choice lol
Finally caught up. I'm going to do individual ISOs tomorrow morning.
I have a list of notes, but they're a bit unreadable right now.
I was of the mind that D_V was strongly town (partially for some of his attacks on others, also had #559 and #625 highlighted for some reason), and somewhat GJ (though less so upon finding out their anger was NAI), so I think I want to take a look at osie's posts more closely since that'd be more doable at this time.
I don't recall anything much from Anak, but will definitely look there since his train today felt like it grew out of nowhere, so maybe I'm missing something or something else is up.
I have a suspicion of a Kami/Tom team, due to tom's approach with that slot. They were a gray area for him for a long time, IIRC, and yet his train was used as reason to push others.
I also strongly disliked Kami's stance on my slot's play day 1, but I don't think I can get anything useful out of pushing them for that today, since the original theory has been debunked.
Most others have been either not too impressionable (or they're KJ/Grape), or I have suspicions of them but having not taken much time to read deeply into the posts that pinged me, I don't want to pursue currently.
I'm probably sleeping soon unless something more entertaining happens..? I should have a couple hours before phase change to settle on someone though.
Questions whose answers will be helpful but not completely necessary -
Is Vaimes as bouncy/sheepy with his votes as town as he has been in this game?
Is there a strong case for a town!Kami out there?
Are people primarily reading Rodemy as town off his past scum games, and is this the limit of his capabilities as town?
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
[color=green]@Chris[/color]: You were the older player other than Azrael who expressed really liking Town gambits, right?
Okay, well, I think this has run its course so I should probably claim it and say what I got out of it.
I proposed replacing into a game but not reading it to Bur and Shadow. Meanwhile I thought about how that could actually be a gambit as a way to make oneself into LHF bait for people of the opposite alignment to grab at. I didn't think much about the scum world (I legitimately didn't believe I was going to be replaced in), but in the town world, it provides a lot of read potential from reactions. So when I suddenly found myself replaced in, I figured "Why not?" and got right to it.
So what results did I get from this?
Well, I'll go down the player list, then sort it into a real readlist.
Anaklusmos - Anak feels very fabricated for reasons that myself and others have brought up already. But I'm not actually totally convinced that he's scum from his response to the votes on him. A CFD to someone else such as Vezok might make sense, and I'm starting to be a little more certain that Vezok is scum and not totally certain that the way Anak pushed him is a bus. Anak is low in my reads, but is certainly not the lowest. I'd still be willing to lynch here, but I think there exist better choices.
Grapefruit - Outside of his Killjoy pairing, which does legitimately look town, his approach to me, tom, and others looks more likely town than not. Strong Townread.
Highroller - His general lack of activity looks REALLY bad for him. His indignation towards me isn't completely AI. I dislike his recent comment on myself and Chris, though I could see that being him sucked thoroughly into the gambit. I think overall I'd have a slight scumlean on the slot, with potential to go either way, mostly dependent on activity. Not my first choice for a lynch today.
KamikazeArchon - Kami's vote/read on me and the game is pretty bad. I felt like his post of associatives was trying to push dichotomies and links where they didn't necessarily exist, his questions to Chris look like a reverse distancing attempt on me, and, in general, his posts look like taking the easy route out. Kami is solidly in my scumreads.
Killjoy - Killjoy is probably town for the Grape check and for his questioning in the thread. I particularly like post 2357, because it means he was paying attention throughout instead of at more targeted points. Strong Townread.
LnGrrrR - LnGrrrR looks pretty good to me. His approach to questioning and reconsidering reads looks quite genuine. I'm down for a Townread here.
RE1031/EtR - RE needs to participate more, but I'm not opposed to townleaning this slot for their response to Tau's gambit. If RE doesn't put effort into this slot, it shouldn't make it to LYLO. She has a bit of a lurker-tell as scum usually (albeit less so than Rumanshi).]
Rodemy - I think Rodemy is more town than not here. I'm not totally convinced, but his posting does feel decent, mostly. There's blips here and there. His past few posts have wined me into a bit of concern, but his reads themselves feel real. Rodemy can be hard for me to read due to playstyle, but I think I'm okay placing him at a townlean.
Sir Chris - While the potential that he's attempting to just be right on me is a thing, it's SO much easier for scum replacing in like Chris did to just scumread me and push for my lynch. I'm pretty sold on this slot being town with slight paranoia that he's scum trying to pocket multiple people by saving a townie, just because of how good Chris is supposed to be as a player. And while he does have the experience to potentially catch on to what I was doing. (He might have; still looking at 2311's "enough from you as well" and scratching my head a bit on if Chris is just that smart.) I'm going to put this slot as a townread, not quite strong yet but getting there.
Tomsloger - Out of the people actively pushing me, I've come to the conclusion that Tom is a little less likely to be scum than a bunch of the others. His indignation at my responses to him and his maintaining of his vote felt potentially genuine. I wouldn't completely remove him from the POE, though. In particular, I don't like the focus on his idea that I had a persecution complex or was playing the victim. That felt really shaky. And if he is scum!Tom who realized that I was running a gambit, then his approach looks particularly disingenuous as a way of dismantling it while trying to appear like he's just keeping an aloof, arrogant higher ground. I'm a little bit below null here. Probably a scumlean overall. But I don't think Tom is the correct lynch for today, and if he does decide to focus on the game outside of pushing this slot due to his claimed read on GJ, then maybe we can get somewhere. Tom, one way or another, I do feel like I kinda took some cheap shots at you to try to get you emotional, so I do apologize for that in general, and particularly if you are in fact town.
Tubba Fett - Tubba's a mix for me. His relatively low posting is concerning, but I'm not actively scumreading him for anything. I don't like that he's coasting/lurking. I'm going to put him at a lurker category just between null and scumlean, to be sorted more when he mosts more.
Vaimes - Vaimes's Day 1 looked somewhat decent and if I recall correctly, he's usually not very good at Day 1s. That said, his Day 2 was much less impressive, and his jump onto me looked pretty opportunistic. Overall, I'm at a scumread; I'm marginally more concerned about Vaimes than I am about Anak.
Vezokpiraka - Vezok's been confrontational, over-reacting to the slightest little thing, took a very easy flying jump onto me and onto Anak, and is scum in most of the worlds. His suddenly dropping his read on tom and then calling it evolution. His ad-hom metaphors talking to me. His general lack of posting. His crazy reaction to Chris calling him out... This slot is scummy as all get-out and I'd absolutely prefer for this slot to be the lynch for today than any other slot.
That leaves me with:
[color=purple]Osieorb18[/color]
[color=blue]Grape/Killjoy[/color]
[color=cyan]LnGrrrR
Sir Chris[/color]
[color=green]RE1031/Rodemy Tubba Fett
[color=gold]Highroller/Tomsloger[/color] (Highroller is directly useless but I have some healthy paranoia of Tom.)
[color=orange]Anaklusmos
Vaimes[/color]
[color=maroon]KamikazeArchon
Vezokpiraka[/color]
I'll keep my vote on Anak (or move it to Kami) if nobody else will vote Vezok with me, but if we can lynch Vezok, I'd be SO down for it.
EBWODP (Though mods may just edit the original post or something, especially if this game thread has potential issues with being too long, as the ad-bot suggests):
@Chris: You were the older player other than Azrael who expressed really liking Town gambits, right?
Okay, well, I think this has run its course so I should probably claim it and say what I got out of it.
I proposed replacing into a game but not reading it to Bur and Shadow. Meanwhile I thought about how that could actually be a gambit as a way to make oneself into LHF bait for people of the opposite alignment to grab at. I didn't think much about the scum world (I legitimately didn't believe I was going to be replaced in), but in the town world, it provides a lot of read potential from reactions. So when I suddenly found myself replaced in, I figured "Why not?" and got right to it.
So what results did I get from this?
Well, I'll go down the player list, then sort it into a real readlist.
Anaklusmos - Anak feels very fabricated for reasons that myself and others have brought up already. But I'm not actually totally convinced that he's scum from his response to the votes on him. A CFD to someone else such as Vezok might make sense, and I'm starting to be a little more certain that Vezok is scum and not totally certain that the way Anak pushed him is a bus. Anak is low in my reads, but is certainly not the lowest. I'd still be willing to lynch here, but I think there exist better choices.
Grapefruit - Outside of his Killjoy pairing, which does legitimately look town, his approach to me, tom, and others looks more likely town than not. Strong Townread.
Highroller - His general lack of activity looks REALLY bad for him. His indignation towards me isn't completely AI. I dislike his recent comment on myself and Chris, though I could see that being him sucked thoroughly into the gambit. I think overall I'd have a slight scumlean on the slot, with potential to go either way, mostly dependent on activity. Not my first choice for a lynch today.
KamikazeArchon - Kami's vote/read on me and the game is pretty bad. I felt like his post of associatives was trying to push dichotomies and links where they didn't necessarily exist, his questions to Chris look like a reverse distancing attempt on me, and, in general, his posts look like taking the easy route out. Kami is solidly in my scumreads.
Killjoy - Killjoy is probably town for the Grape check and for his questioning in the thread. I particularly like post 2357, because it means he was paying attention throughout instead of at more targeted points. Strong Townread.
LnGrrrR - LnGrrrR looks pretty good to me. His approach to questioning and reconsidering reads looks quite genuine. I'm down for a Townread here.
RE1031/EtR - RE needs to participate more, but I'm not opposed to townleaning this slot for their response to Tau's gambit. If RE doesn't put effort into this slot, it shouldn't make it to LYLO. She has a bit of a lurker-tell as scum usually (albeit less so than Rumanshi).
Rodemy - I think Rodemy is more town than not here. I'm not totally convinced, but his posting does feel decent, mostly. There's blips here and there. His past few posts have wined me into a bit of concern, but his reads themselves feel real. Rodemy can be hard for me to read due to playstyle, but I think I'm okay placing him at a townlean.
Sir Chris - While the potential that he's attempting to just be right on me is a thing, it's SO much easier for scum replacing in like Chris did to just scumread me and push for my lynch. I'm pretty sold on this slot being town with slight paranoia that he's scum trying to pocket multiple people by saving a townie, just because of how good Chris is supposed to be as a player. And while he does have the experience to potentially catch on to what I was doing. (He might have; still looking at 2311's "enough from you as well" and scratching my head a bit on if Chris is just that smart.) I'm going to put this slot as a townread, not quite strong yet but getting there.
Tomsloger - Out of the people actively pushing me, I've come to the conclusion that Tom is a little less likely to be scum than a bunch of the others. His indignation at my responses to him and his maintaining of his vote felt potentially genuine. I wouldn't completely remove him from the POE, though. In particular, I don't like the focus on his idea that I had a persecution complex or was playing the victim. That felt really shaky. And if he is scum!Tom who realized that I was running a gambit, then his approach looks particularly disingenuous as a way of dismantling it while trying to appear like he's just keeping an aloof, arrogant higher ground. I'm a little bit below null here. Probably a scumlean overall. But I don't think Tom is the correct lynch for today, and if he does decide to focus on the game outside of pushing this slot due to his claimed read on GJ, then maybe we can get somewhere. Tom, one way or another, I do feel like I kinda took some cheap shots at you to try to get you emotional, so I do apologize for that in general, and particularly if you are in fact town.
Tubba Fett - Tubba's a mix for me. His relatively low posting is concerning, but I'm not actively scumreading him for anything. I don't like that he's coasting/lurking. I'm going to put him at a lurker category just between null and scumlean, to be sorted more when he mosts more.
Vaimes - Vaimes's Day 1 looked somewhat decent and if I recall correctly, he's usually not very good at Day 1s. That said, his Day 2 was much less impressive, and his jump onto me looked pretty opportunistic. Overall, I'm at a scumread; I'm marginally more concerned about Vaimes than I am about Anak.
Vezokpiraka - Vezok's been confrontational, over-reacting to the slightest little thing, took a very easy flying jump onto me and onto Anak, and is scum in most of the worlds. His suddenly dropping his read on tom and then calling it evolution. His ad-hom metaphors talking to me. His general lack of posting. His crazy reaction to Chris calling him out... This slot is scummy as all get-out and I'd absolutely prefer for this slot to be the lynch for today than any other slot.
That leaves me with:
Osieorb18
Grape/Killjoy
LnGrrrR
Sir Chris
RE1031/Rodemy Tubba Fett
Highroller/Tomsloger (Highroller is directly useless but I have some healthy paranoia of Tom.)
Anaklusmos
Vaimes
KamikazeArchon
Vezokpiraka
I'll keep my vote on Anak (or move it to Kami) if nobody else will vote Vezok with me, but if we can lynch Vezok, I'd be SO down for it.
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Highroller - His general lack of activity looks REALLY bad for him.
Ok, I've been nice and letting this slide for a while now, but this is what? The fifth time you've spouted this garbage? You're really coming off as a jerk here, man.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Okay, well, I think this has run its course so I should probably claim it and say what I got out of it.
I proposed replacing into a game but not reading it to Bur and Shadow. Meanwhile I thought about how that could actually be a gambit as a way to make oneself into LHF bait for people of the opposite alignment to grab at. I didn't think much about the scum world (I legitimately didn't believe I was going to be replaced in), but in the town world, it provides a lot of read potential from reactions. So when I suddenly found myself replaced in, I figured "Why not?" and got right to it.
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Tomsloger - Out of the people actively pushing me, I've come to the conclusion that Tom is a little less likely to be scum than a bunch of the others. His indignation at my responses to him and his maintaining of his vote felt potentially genuine. I wouldn't completely remove him from the POE, though. In particular, I don't like the focus on his idea that I had a persecution complex or was playing the victim. That felt really shaky. And if he is scum!Tom who realized that I was running a gambit, then his approach looks particularly disingenuous as a way of dismantling it while trying to appear like he's just keeping an aloof, arrogant higher ground. I'm a little bit below null here. Probably a scumlean overall. But I don't think Tom is the correct lynch for today, and if he does decide to focus on the game outside of pushing this slot due to his claimed read on GJ, then maybe we can get somewhere. Tom, one way or another, I do feel like I kinda took some cheap shots at you to try to get you emotional, so I do apologize for that in general, and particularly if you are in fact town.
So your gambit was you were scummy on purpose, in order to become lhf and attract suspicion
Literally giving yourself a persecution complex
And im scummy for... finding you scummy, noting your *intentional and now admittedly strategic persecution complex* and focusing on it too much... and... realizing that was a gambit from town osi and keeping the higher ground?
I also strongly disliked Kami's stance on my slot's play day 1, but I don't think I can get anything useful out of pushing them for that today, since the original theory has been debunked.
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Is Vaimes as bouncy/sheepy with his votes as town as he has been in this game?
Is there a strong case for a town!Kami out there?
why is pushing kami not useful today?
There is no town case out there
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well this has to be a high watermark for entrance gambits. We've had 3 (at wildly different stages of the game at that) and they seem to have amounted to nothing.
Anyway I think I'm happier with my vote than I was 3 hours ago. So thinking this through it had to be before knowing alignment or being sure he was getting replaced in so the action itself is NAI. The fact is any impact it could have had is destroyed by the fact that GJ was already an easy push for the way things finished. So like being scummier doesn't really change that much.
Highroller - His general lack of activity looks REALLY bad for him.
Ok, I've been nice and letting this slide for a while now, but this is what? The fifth time you've spouted this garbage? You're really coming off as a jerk here, man.
Highroller ISO, so people (hopefully if Highroller is town, Highroller too) can see where I'm coming from:
Post 1583: Introduction and claim. NAI, not solving, fluff at best.
Post 1710: "I'm not posting anything substantial today."
Post 1762: (To Killjoy) "I don't understand your question."
Post 1823: "Thread's too long."
Post 1960: Repeating someone else's point.
Post 1970: "Give an example, please!"
Post 1976: "I have no reads. Still catching up."
Post 1981: "Still catching up."
Post 1992: Game rules question.
Post 2012: "You're being mean to me!"
//% CONTENT ALMOST STARTS HERE %//
Post 2036: Strange question based on a worse, nearly entirely out-of-game, and very openly insulting premise to me about my play in a different game.
Post 2040: Making more incorrect assumptions about my play in another game.
Post 2043: Asking for definitions of terminology.
//% CONTENT ACTUALLY STARTS HERE %//
Post 2052: "Why are stylistic choices and gambits okay in a social activity?"
Also, more definition questions and level -1 meta read on me. And then quick, low info, possibly fearmongering tidbits about random bits of the game.
Post 2091: Most of this post is a self-aggrandizing response to me pushing his buttons. The parts that aren't are pretty small and not super significant, to the degree that he doesn't press them at all.
//% CONTENT ENDS FOR A WHILE %//
Post 2123: More self-aggrandizement, and ignoring the most significant content of the very post he quoted.
Post 2129: Suggesting to a player to sub out and trying to push for a game-throwing hole in the game from the other players.
Post 2139: Bandwagoning onto tom's point that I dismissed offhand (because it was ridiculous).
//% CONTENT STARTS AGAIN %//
Post 2142: "Is anyone townreading Kami? Why are people townreading Killjoy? I am caught up." The questions are potentially something, but they kinda just read as a hollow attempt to make a pretense of playing after being called out for not doing much.
Post 2162: Asks Kami (scumread) to explain one of his comments. There's a tiny bit of follow-up to this, though not much. I guess I can give him credit for a real push on someone at this point. Almost 600 posts after he's joined the game, though.
Post 2173: Casting doubts on the most townread players, sniping at me for no reason, and rejecting Chris's townread of me offhand.
//% CONTENT ENDS FOR A POST %//
Post 2182: More sniping at me for no reason.
//% AND WE'RE BACK... %//
Post 2209: Just a /barn. Feels either like newb!town stating the obvious or a level 0 pocket attempt.
Post 2411: YOU GET SOME SHADE, AND YOU GET SOME SHADE! EVERYONE GETS SOME SHADE!
Post 2424: "Killjoy, you're suspicious to me. Tom doesn't think Kami is suspicious." Thanks for the reiteration.
I think you maintained that focus and obsessive wording in a manner that was not very townie. KEEP IN MIND that you are not a heavy scumread, in fact you're barely a scumlean. I'm wavering on you in general. If you're continuing to push me after me extending multiple olive branches, clarifying my behavior in the thread, and pushing for you and others to focus on actually forming reads, then yes, I will be more likely to scumread you. Because that isn't townie behavior.
realizing that was a gambit from town osi and keeping the higher ground?
I don't particularly believe that you realized it, and you certainly didn't keep any form of higher ground. If you're town and realized it, then shame on you. If you're scum and realized it, then congrats.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well this has to be a high watermark for entrance gambits. We've had 3 (at wildly different stages of the game at that) and they seem to have amounted to nothing.
Anyway I think I'm happier with my vote than I was 3 hours ago. So thinking this through it had to be before knowing alignment or being sure he was getting replaced in so the action itself is NAI. The fact is any impact it could have had is destroyed by the fact that GJ was already an easy push for the way things finished. So like being scummier doesn't really change that much.
It helped my reads at least. If noone else made any progress in their reads in the last, what, NINE pages, I'm sorry. But I don't think that's the case, and I somehow doubt that you think that's the case either.
I just keep seeing scum lists looking very similar and I'm not a fan.
good catch
Better start lynching towny people instead of scummy ones
Ok Vote Tom But Not Really.
I mean Chris is right Rule of Whatever is a thing and it's probably Anak but I'm afraid there's more town than we think in there?
This is a normal game. So probably there's 4 scum, unless something weird is going on.
We're currently at 14 players. That means that unless there's some more shenanigans that we haven't seen, we should have 10 town and 4 scum left at this point. That gives us 2 rounds of mislynches before MYLO. Ideally we figure out the scum team before that point. Other than currently disagreeing on LnGrrrR, I think that list of 4 players is a decent POE to start on, and then we should probably expand it out quickly over the next few days.
I would still prefer Vezok, Kami, or somewhat Vaimes to Anak at the moment, but I'm willing to compromise if other town members are more sure.
Highroller ISO, so people (hopefully if Highroller is town, Highroller too) can see where I'm coming from:
You come in here and complain about the fact that you're actually being asked to play a mafia game, say that you're not about to expend the effort of reading 2000 posts, and then you have the gall, the sheer audacity to complain about someone who took awhile to post because he was busy actually taking the time and the effort to get caught up?
What is wrong with you? Are you just asking for a second policy lynch?
Osie that feels like a big misread of what I was saying. The game has obviously advanced, I don't think your gambit particularly changed it because the slot you inherited was so easy to push regardless.
Like you couldn't have known that at the time (barring a scum chst or you breaking your own gimmick) but yeah. Everyone was going to either push you or shrug. It's where the game was. I am actually confident that's why you drew so many emotional responses.
I think I needed to reread your ISO.
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Checking that last two times you colored we were in our own tier below DV and Rod.
Similarly what improved KA and Tubba in your eyes?
I won't be around until few hours before DL, so go bother shadow about vote counts meanwhile.
*Sigh* I'm sorry that you feel persecuted by your idea that I have a persecution complex, Tom. Can we get back to the game? I've been looking at other people and trying to move on if you're willing.
Could you explain this, actually? Because I wasn't really seeing that. Maybe I'm just always open to more worlds and am missing something obvious, but several people have discounted a Tom-Anak world and especially on the Anak side I wasn't seeing it, and Tom's play is usually versatile enough that I wouldn't be surprised here. But I may have missed something glaring for a more experienced or more entrenched player.
Also when I asked who I should murder in order for him to leave Osi he said Anak.
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Kjs not filling me with confidence but ive mostly liked you today. Mostly just feeling the mechanics a little less
Kami and tubba didnt really improve so much as vaimes dipping
Then the tiers looking off.
But as implied, middle tiers are real muddy and gray rn
Anyway let's just see where I'm at.
I'm town, KJ knows my flavor and protected me D1 so he's town. Rod has been tonally right and hasn't betrayed any sort of mindset slips. He's been absent which is a slight worry but when he was around he felt right. Sir Chris is town because everyone but me town read DV and I'm trusting that.
Grape
KJ, Rod, Chris
Tau's gambit was most likely to come from town and Highroller feels like his stubborn, principled self. Tubba had a strongly townie tone in the mid game but his lack of activity early or late is a worry. Vaimes has been in this category. His recent pop in was wolfy but his vibe when going back and forth with GJ was townie enough that I'm happy to keep him here for now.
Highroller, Tubba, Vaimes
Tom and Osie are their own special bundle. I firmly believed that one of them is likely to be scum based on the first half of the game but Chris's strong town reads on both have been persuasive. I'm not there yet but I'm doubting my "One of these is always scum" stance now, but am not ready to completely give up on it yet. If it wasn't obvious I think Osie is vastly more likely to be scum of the two.
Tomsie
That leaves us with KA, RE, Anak, LnG, and Vez. RE is a weird one. I have had serious misgivings about the slot throughout the game. I kind of want to ignore it for now and see what RE does. EtR's response to the Tau play was bizarre for either alignment. I'm inclined to think the slot is town just by the number of players in my PoE who pushed it hard. But I really don't have a strong read on it from it's own play. A few things have felt townie, a few have felt scummy.
I think Vez has been all over the place in my reads. I really need to refresh on this slot. The only thing in my mind without checking has been his play since Chris entered the thread which is giving me a strong scum vibe but a lot of that is from the bloodthirstiness and Vez is generally bloodthirsty as an NAI thing.
LnG probably should have died D1. Still would be happy to resolve that slot but it's been surpassed by others (anak and Osie).
KA I actually have felt really good about in the past 6 hours. I kind of want to town read him but I haven't done the diligence and don't have the time to reread so he can be nil for now, which is probably the best ranking I've given him all game.
Anak has been discussed enough recently.
Grape
KJ, Rod, Chris
Highroller, Tubba, Vaimes
Tomsie
EtR
KA
Vez/LnG
Anak
But I don't trust this sudden bandwagon at all, and I don't like Sir Chris's I-will-lynch-anyone-else-including-myself to save osieorb. Sir Chris is definitely working an angle, but I don't know what it is.
Vote stands for right now.
You'd consistently had Highroller above KA and Tubba. I was much more interested in the HR fall than the vaimes one which I could track easily. Especially with you seeming to agree with Chris' Tau read/excitement. I can get behind the middle being a mess, I just didn't think you had HR as part of it.
*furrows eyebrows and wishes I'd colored your 'm' orange*
I mean tom is still technically in mine but it sure looks that way which is a concern, but one for later given that we're 20ish hours from deadline.
Theres... some number of worlds where scum didnt really have to do *anything* until chris replaced in...
Even scumETR worlds they would have mostly pretty easy stuff to react to.
So yeah i think youve got too much d1 going into your vaimes and kami reads basically. Maybe me too tbh but whatever
Ive had plenty of buddies let me down and i have to carry.
But i usually wouldnt because i play to my win condition.
Dont really understand your eyebrow furrowing though its more clerical than anything else. Would prolly say kami is actually uo with highroller and tubba is lower than the two but i still didnt want to put him the next one down?
Still standing by it. Though the only important move to me was vaimes down
I was trying really hard not to give into recency bias in that post because I wanted to put KA even higher than I did. Vaimes I'm not really to make a recency read on because he's mostly just absent and while his pop-in was wolfy it was just a one pop-in.
You? Ehhhhhh... My read of you is all over the place (hence all the colors). I'm of so many different minds about you and Osie right now that I'm just not trying to sort through it because I need to do a full deep dive. Which I don't really have time to do.
It's a bit risky but not out of the realm of possibility id say.
Meh... It probably doesn't matter but like I'm pretty sure that's a contradiction. Like HR had always been higher in your reads than KA and Tubba and if he didn't fall and they didn't rise having them together doesn't add up. But again, pretty sure Osie is just scum and it doesn't matter.
But ive been doing it all game.
And frankly if it was a planned bus/distancing thing he prolly wouldnt just vaguely townread me while saying im wrong. Much more profit in pushing back
Believe what you want i guess. If he does, in fact, flip scum... come at me bro
Be me
Move vaimes down
Move vezok down
Decide its cleaner and feels righter to combine chris/rod with grapejoy
Do the same for highroller and the two below
Briefly consider moving tubba down or giving him his own tier
Decide to just not color the middle because its muddy
All of this with far less thought than you've given my choice lol
But i guess i gave it some more too
So how bout
chris/rod/grapejoy
Highroller/kami
tubba
Vaimes/re
vez/lngrr
Anak/osi
And tomsloger seems to be a dissenting voice on KamikazeArchon.
I have a list of notes, but they're a bit unreadable right now.
I was of the mind that D_V was strongly town (partially for some of his attacks on others, also had #559 and #625 highlighted for some reason), and somewhat GJ (though less so upon finding out their anger was NAI), so I think I want to take a look at osie's posts more closely since that'd be more doable at this time.
I don't recall anything much from Anak, but will definitely look there since his train today felt like it grew out of nowhere, so maybe I'm missing something or something else is up.
I have a suspicion of a Kami/Tom team, due to tom's approach with that slot. They were a gray area for him for a long time, IIRC, and yet his train was used as reason to push others.
I also strongly disliked Kami's stance on my slot's play day 1, but I don't think I can get anything useful out of pushing them for that today, since the original theory has been debunked.
Most others have been either not too impressionable (or they're KJ/Grape), or I have suspicions of them but having not taken much time to read deeply into the posts that pinged me, I don't want to pursue currently.
I'm probably sleeping soon unless something more entertaining happens..? I should have a couple hours before phase change to settle on someone though.
Questions whose answers will be helpful but not completely necessary -
Is Vaimes as bouncy/sheepy with his votes as town as he has been in this game?
Is there a strong case for a town!Kami out there?
Are people primarily reading Rodemy as town off his past scum games, and is this the limit of his capabilities as town?
Tom: do you think town me should be scared of misreading you?
Chris: Imagine scum Tom in this game. What's his team?
Okay, well, I think this has run its course so I should probably claim it and say what I got out of it.
I proposed replacing into a game but not reading it to Bur and Shadow. Meanwhile I thought about how that could actually be a gambit as a way to make oneself into LHF bait for people of the opposite alignment to grab at. I didn't think much about the scum world (I legitimately didn't believe I was going to be replaced in), but in the town world, it provides a lot of read potential from reactions. So when I suddenly found myself replaced in, I figured "Why not?" and got right to it.
So what results did I get from this?
Well, I'll go down the player list, then sort it into a real readlist.
That leaves me with:
[color=purple]Osieorb18[/color]
[color=blue]Grape/Killjoy[/color]
[color=cyan]LnGrrrR
Sir Chris[/color]
[color=green]RE1031/Rodemy
Tubba Fett
[color=gold]Highroller/Tomsloger[/color] (Highroller is directly useless but I have some healthy paranoia of Tom.)
[color=orange]Anaklusmos
Vaimes[/color]
[color=maroon]KamikazeArchon
Vezokpiraka[/color]
I'll keep my vote on Anak (or move it to Kami) if nobody else will vote Vezok with me, but if we can lynch Vezok, I'd be SO down for it.
Ok, I've been nice and letting this slide for a while now, but this is what? The fifth time you've spouted this garbage? You're really coming off as a jerk here, man.
Literally giving yourself a persecution complex
And im scummy for... finding you scummy, noting your *intentional and now admittedly strategic persecution complex* and focusing on it too much... and... realizing that was a gambit from town osi and keeping the higher ground?
...
Im sorry what
There is no town case out there
What do you mean by bouncy?
How much consensus is there on all four? I would agree with KA and Anak but not the other two.
Vez is a bit. I am for sure.
I just keep seeing scum lists looking very similar and I'm not a fan.
Better start lynching towny people instead of scummy ones
I'm town so that's obviously wrong. KA is also probably town. Anak might be scum and needs lynching while lngrr could be a goon or simply town.
At least one person is powerwolfing or else the consensus wouldn't be as strong.
Osie's last post kinda seems like his town meta if I squit. Baseless accussation based on faulty suppositions are NAI or +town for him.
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I mean Chris is right Rule of Whatever is a thing and it's probably Anak but I'm afraid there's more town than we think in there?
Anyway I think I'm happier with my vote than I was 3 hours ago. So thinking this through it had to be before knowing alignment or being sure he was getting replaced in so the action itself is NAI. The fact is any impact it could have had is destroyed by the fact that GJ was already an easy push for the way things finished. So like being scummier doesn't really change that much.
Highroller ISO, so people (hopefully if Highroller is town, Highroller too) can see where I'm coming from:
Anything about a persecution complex is in your own mind. But I was intentionally coming into the thread in a LHF manner, yes.
I think you maintained that focus and obsessive wording in a manner that was not very townie. KEEP IN MIND that you are not a heavy scumread, in fact you're barely a scumlean. I'm wavering on you in general. If you're continuing to push me after me extending multiple olive branches, clarifying my behavior in the thread, and pushing for you and others to focus on actually forming reads, then yes, I will be more likely to scumread you. Because that isn't townie behavior.
I don't particularly believe that you realized it, and you certainly didn't keep any form of higher ground. If you're town and realized it, then shame on you. If you're scum and realized it, then congrats.
It seems fair to say that it could be that easy, but it's probably not.
Talk to me about Vezok, please. Why do you not scumread him?
Well... Lights Out 3, but that was a smaller game.
It helped my reads at least. If noone else made any progress in their reads in the last, what, NINE pages, I'm sorry. But I don't think that's the case, and I somehow doubt that you think that's the case either.
This is a normal game. So probably there's 4 scum, unless something weird is going on.
We're currently at 14 players. That means that unless there's some more shenanigans that we haven't seen, we should have 10 town and 4 scum left at this point. That gives us 2 rounds of mislynches before MYLO. Ideally we figure out the scum team before that point. Other than currently disagreeing on LnGrrrR, I think that list of 4 players is a decent POE to start on, and then we should probably expand it out quickly over the next few days.
I would still prefer Vezok, Kami, or somewhat Vaimes to Anak at the moment, but I'm willing to compromise if other town members are more sure.
What is wrong with you? Are you just asking for a second policy lynch?
Like you couldn't have known that at the time (barring a scum chst or you breaking your own gimmick) but yeah. Everyone was going to either push you or shrug. It's where the game was. I am actually confident that's why you drew so many emotional responses.
I think I needed to reread your ISO.