If I wanted to manipulate people, I'd always come in trying to look solvey, instead of confused as to why I was in the game to begin with and hoping for someone to point me to specifics to look at. But that was scumread. It'd be hilarious if you also scumread EtR-slot too because RE just asked for people to point her to specifics.
fun fact ive got etr as >randscum and am not impressed with RE at all
Looking solvey doesnt manipulate people nearly as well as looking like youre lost and feeling attacked
Most of my life whether or not I was playing mafia suggests differently.
I've had scum games in which I've been busy IRL, for sure. But this also isn't similar to any of those.
yeah im still not meta reading you man
Or reading your motivation to play/activity level (except perhaps that youre "not caring" was largely expositional and you kept attacking me/others for... believing you about it)
Dont care about you continuously trying to say you wouldnt do things as scum btw. At least do it like me and say "im more likely to" or whatever but the ones youve said have been percentage points at best and some of them definitely 0 or negative numbers imo
How anyone thinks scum Osi goes this hard on top to the point they have this amazing back and forth again and again is beyond me btw.
KJ not sure precisely what to look for town tom vs scum tom, it has been awhile and apparently he's the best scum player around, but he's had a lot of little comments that make me think town and when i flip his read of Osi our game views match up which is either really good or really bad hah.
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I dunno what the votes are at. Didn’t have time to read all three new pages, and it looked like half of it was tom/osie noise.
You tied it. Good job Vaimes you are redeeming yourself.
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I really hate the whole line with wanting people to catch him up instead of reading themselves, then complaining that people were scumreading them for that. I put in quite a large amount of time reading through and catching myself up, and it just screams scum that doesn't care much about previous events in the game, whereas even lazy town would have wanted to find the most important parts of the earlier game instead of just not caring at all and wanting others to save them the effort.
Hey Chris! Glad to have you in the game, sort of since I seem to have drawn your ire. I know that I haven't done much this game, but give me the chance to defend myself here. Tom is going to scumread me no matter what, so that's essentially a non-starter. As it is there's just no time to do so, and leading to people throwing terrible votes on me hoping for that quick mislynch away from Osie.
Like KJ's vote is awful, and Osie/GF/Vaimes are barely any better. I implore you to give me just a day tomorrow to try and defend myself and respond to these terrible pushes on me, I'm rather poor at actually making cases even for myself but I will do everything I can to show you how wrong you are.
Tomorrow is deadline. We don't have time to wait a day for a defense. You should claim now so we can figure out if it's worthwhile to lynch you or not.
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Nothing I read from Johnny as I was catching up felt outed to me btw. I will caveat this by saying I am of course not super familiar with meta but in regards to that... sometimes meta can fool us. From my perspective KJ it comes across as Tom having a not so great read on GJ as town. Not a lot of nuance in his play here I don't think. Also I think if Anak is scum it should clear Tom because he is not going with the flow of this lynch very well. It is really clumsy for a scum tom to say he'd lynch Anak and when I ring Anak up (#JustTownChrisThings btw0 he is still tunneling Osi because he can't get over the fact that Osi's logic for voting him isn't up to par. Feels genuine! B
HOWEVER, now all jovial and good humor aside. Tom, you gave me a name to save a town read of mine and I have successfully delivered his head for you. I will no longer stand for your vote to be on my town read. Honor what you've said to me and put down your sword for the day.
Osi, enough from you as well. Please understand that it has taken one of the most respected player's this site has ever known's complete and utter devotion to his town reading abilities to keep your head on your shoulders today. Tom IS NOT THE LYNCH TODAY and we must work one day at a time for the moment. I may not be around to help you tomorrow, and I beseech you to let go of Tom paranoia. Let others see what you are seeing naturally if it is to come to pass, and focus on other avenues. You have exhausted the issue of Tom and if you want to contribute to this game meaningfully you have to make inroads with your town reads and consolidate confidence. Right now you don't seem to be on point, so take a step back and breathe a bit.
It is not much of a coincidence that many of my major suspects have not been particularly active since I entered the game in my opinion. I think it makes a lot of sense that a lot of scum thought today was wrapped up. We'll see if I am right.
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I really hate the whole line with wanting people to catch him up instead of reading themselves, then complaining that people were scumreading them for that. I put in quite a large amount of time reading through and catching myself up, and it just screams scum that doesn't care much about previous events in the game, whereas even lazy town would have wanted to find the most important parts of the earlier game instead of just not caring at all and wanting others to save them the effort.
Hey Chris! Glad to have you in the game, sort of since I seem to have drawn your ire. I know that I haven't done much this game, but give me the chance to defend myself here. Tom is going to scumread me no matter what, so that's essentially a non-starter. As it is there's just no time to do so, and leading to people throwing terrible votes on me hoping for that quick mislynch away from Osie.
Like KJ's vote is awful, and Osie/GF/Vaimes are barely any better. I implore you to give me just a day tomorrow to try and defend myself and respond to these terrible pushes on me, I'm rather poor at actually making cases even for myself but I will do everything I can to show you how wrong you are.
Of course you may have the day. Why are you town reading me by the way?
Also if Anak is scum my vote never leaves Vezo for the worst distancing vote I have ever seen "WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR A DEFENSE" like, what? Of course we can give Anak until deadline to defend themselves. How weird.
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I have a few thoughts but most can wait to morning.
The only one I want to drop now is that Anak declaring multiple votes bad but differentiating between them when they were all practically the same vote is an odd look.
I differentiated them simply because KJs vote was literally "Sure vote anak" whereas the others I mentioned like kind of half tried something maybe. It's not much but something. What part of that is alignment indicative for you? Like is it more townie for me to say all my votes are equally bad? That's patently false with Chris's vote and Tom's to a lesser degree, he's been consistent on his read with me though content to do nothing about it until the end of today when Chris ran with it.
I will claim once there are more than two votes on me with reasoning. Yes I'm being that petulant. If most everyone wants to lynch me with votes that have almost literally nothing to them then I would rather gamble on keeping my role hidden, we don't deserve to win with piss poor play like this. Put some meat on those votes and I will acquiese but until then nope.
@Chris I think you are town because you have shown an intense desire to take over the game and get us going in the right direction. Given where we were with one mislynch against us, a deadline running out, and a pretty decent facto lynch target, you could very easily have come in as scum, used the bit of time left to catch up on the game, voted for Osie and gotten to tomorrow without literally anyone batting an eye at you. Regardless of Osies alignment! A town flip wouldn't have been your fault, you joined the consensus given massive time constraints and would have been okay. And if Osie is scum it would have looked good for you gaining some bus credit entering a really bad spot for the town.
Instead of all that, you came in and threw yourself at the game, picked up this dying town, threw it on your back, and are hard carrying it forward. Completely stopped the L-1 wagon with about 48 hours left, dove into everyone, and picked out other viable candidates for a lynch that you see as far more productive.
There's simply no reason to ruffle that many feathers and draw that much attention to yourself as scum in that situation. So I'm willing to bet that you are far more likely to be town, and concede the game that small percentage of the time that you are scum.
However, my piss poor play has made me your target, and I understand why. I had a decent entrance into the game, but for various reasons that don't matter I didn't keep up that level of dedication. Resulted in me providing surface level reads and analysis, and being okay with that as others were to various extents. couple that with hissy fits and emotions running high from others and I was far more content to sit on the sidelines than I should have been. I'm not happy with myself about that but what's done is done.
I'm just trying to save us another mislynch and get us turned the right direction, so I implore you, what can I possibly do to keep myself alive? What questions can I answer or people to go for? I could talk about my own failings all day but I'm not sure that's going to help any of us.
Well, for starters let's discuss your vote on Osie because it is funny... I asked to be caught up a couple of times myself, just said more deftly. I asked for re-reads, etc but no one batted an eye at that for me! In fact people seemed more than happy to give me direction whenever I asked. I am willing to have a dialogue with you about all of this. Why is Osie your top suspect? If Osie is scum, who are the other 3? I can guess based off what you said there but construct a scum team for me. How many of Osie/Vaimes/GF/KJ are are scum? What do you think of Vezo's vote on you? Don't defend yourself, useless as you've been very poor and also an issue because your slot pinged me before you were in the game, but that's okay! If you are town you have nothing to fear from me.
Give me one o those top to bottom town to scum lists everyone loves so much.
Also a claim would not be out of order, and please don't stall it'd only annoy me.
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How anyone thinks scum Osi goes this hard on top to the point they have this amazing back and forth again and again is beyond me btw.
this post ginna be a no from me dawg.
Aside from these back and forths not being amazing at all, hes also pretty directly using them to manipulate and avoid solving
Hes still spewing nonsense
Like even if he were town youd still be wrong on this bruh
Not as in good or skill based but 'why is he still at it' lol. So Tom wolf PR is in the lead according to you. How does this make you feel?
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Hey anak do you think osi is scum or that chris is stopping a mislynch?
Do you understand why this post concerns me? Simple yes or no.
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It strongly implies you are not reading the game, Tom. Do you know why? Yes/no.
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Anak literally on this page voted Osi in a post that had multiple paragraphs. You ask Anak their thoughts Osi.
Tom-kun, why are you not reading posts from your very strong scum suspect?
*Tilts head*
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Then in another post talked about how this town was dying lynching osi and you threw it on your back and saved him
Without mentioning the possibility of you propping up a buddy at all
People were happy to help you because you were obviously happy to help us, the difference being Osie was straight up saying he didn't care about catching uo. Essentially the difference between a please help me catch up (you) vs I don't feel like catching up (osie).
It's not that he is my top suspect, I would still rather lynch Kami over Osie, but given where we are at in regards to deadline I moved my vote over. I would prefer to lynch Kami even but that doesn't seem like much of a possibility.
In that list of four I think Osie is the only likely scum, so 1? Vaimes could be but I don't see that, and KJ and Grape I am going to keep assuming are town until we get enough data to start to suspect their claim, so most likely just the 1.
Vez's vote on me is even worse than just a naked vote on me like KJ, shows a desire just simply to get to night with no spotlight on him
I won't be able to post anything comprehensive, at work and it blocks the site, so limited to quick posting when I can.
If we were -1 from lynching scum how did I save anything Anak?
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Basically you are scum who voted osi for self prea but scum hate being honest about self pres. If you think I am awesome why vote Osi?
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Yesh no.
Persecuted isnt some crazy thing its common scum procedure. Omgus is this, counterwagoning is this, even mutual distancing/bussing is that.
Dont act all innocent thats not even a scum only thing its all forms of omgus which youre prone to regardless.
Hmm...
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But I guess I'm some master manipulator who instead of solving problems, instead of pushing people to do better themselves, instead of getting jobs done when nobody else will, I'm just getting places in life by acting persecuted. I just take the easy route. That totally sounds like me. I would never be the one to work hard for anything. I would never forsake an advantage in life to instead work hard to pursue anything. I would just whine and act the victim until I got what I wanted.
That's so laughably wrong. Your read on this slot is worthless.
it just screams scum that doesn't care much about previous events in the game, whereas even lazy town would have wanted to find the most important parts of the earlier game instead of just not caring at all and wanting others to save them the effort.
Derpclear and intentional misinterpretation of my posts denied.
People were happy to help you because you were obviously happy to help us, the difference being Osie was straight up saying he didn't care about catching uo. Essentially the difference between a please help me catch up (you) vs I don't feel like catching up (osie).
I haven't said anything like that for hundreds of posts, and have explicitly said the opposite and condemned people suggesting it as not not reading the thread. Your read is out of date.
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The only reason I'm going to walk right into your pocket is that I think I'm decent at reading DV, he was very likely town, and you haven't stepped too far out of the reasonable bounds of town for DV's replacement. I appreciate the defense, but that in and of itself would not be enough.
As for town reads, I've been actively trying to not limit myself to just town sorting. I think it's not strategically sound at least for me to just town sort and not scum sort at all.
I don't need to pocket anyone, town Chris is a force of will tbh Osi.
Also I've got to say I have yet to see anything from Osi or GJ on re-read that I thought was super scummy.
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I am curious what other people in that town list think of the people in that list with them, and no need to discuss Osi that slot has gotten enough attention for a lifetime.
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I'm fine with both Osie and Anak, preference to Anak. I dislike Osie's strong indignation-style AtEs, but Anak reads more desperate. The way he addresses Chris in particular feels like a pocket attempt.
I want people to review LnGrrr and Vaimes. I notice Vaimes in particular sheeped in again - #2304.
Chris reads town and I had D_V as town before, so that slot is good. So far KJ, GF, Chris looking like a good town cluster. (Amusingly, all with a scumlean or scumread on me, I think. Not too surprising given that I was hard on the EtR-cluster D1 and turned out to be wrong.)
Finished page 3 and two things stood out: tom is acting way scummier than expected. Calling out prs and having a start very reminiscent to ghostbusters.
Rodemy is town as town can be. I also like that he was upset/noticed tom calling put prs day 1.
I'll try to roleplay more after I finish my reread cause I'm more focused on reading quickly than roleplaying.
Yo Vezok, what happened to this read?
It evolved through day 2.
I was rereading recent posts looking for something someone else said when I found this again.
Having read your ISO specifically looking for it, this didn't happen. You just dropped the read entirely.
In fairness if memory serves Anak has always had a high opinion of me so it is in line with our past history, more concerned with the Osi logical breakdown.
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Finished page 3 and two things stood out: tom is acting way scummier than expected. Calling out prs and having a start very reminiscent to ghostbusters.
Rodemy is town as town can be. I also like that he was upset/noticed tom calling put prs day 1.
I'll try to roleplay more after I finish my reread cause I'm more focused on reading quickly than roleplaying.
Yo Vezok, what happened to this read?
It evolved through day 2.
I was rereading recent posts looking for something someone else said when I found this again.
Having read your ISO specifically looking for it, this didn't happen. You just dropped the read entirely.
Good catch. Vezo can die next.
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Associatives for future reference. The obvious ones:
town!Osie -> town!Chris (major force in turning the wagon away here)
scum!anak -> town!tom (on Mind/Anak much of the game)
More speculative:
scum!anak -?> town!Chris (without the push against Osie, Anak would live today)
scum!Osie -?> town!tom (lighter than the anak-tom connection because this feels more plausibly like it could be distance/bus)
town!anak -??> scum!tom (Very light - town/town conflict is quite plausible here, but certainly it doesn't make Tom look better.)
I looked back at the Tau stuff, and I do think that I missed parts of it the first time around. That doesn't clear Highroller from having contributed next to nothing to the game, though, outside of reminding people to think about Kami.
Associatives for future reference. The obvious ones:
town!Osie -> town!Chris (major force in turning the wagon away here)
scum!anak -> town!tom (on Mind/Anak much of the game)
More speculative:
scum!anak -?> town!Chris (without the push against Osie, Anak would live today)
scum!Osie -?> town!tom (lighter than the anak-tom connection because this feels more plausibly like it could be distance/bus)
town!anak -??> scum!tom (Very light - town/town conflict is quite plausible here, but certainly it doesn't make Tom look better.)
Eww. This excludes so many perfectly possible and reasonable worlds.
Most of my life whether or not I was playing mafia suggests differently.
Good night.
Persecuted isnt some crazy thing its common scum procedure. Omgus is this, counterwagoning is this, even mutual distancing/bussing is that.
Dont act all innocent thats not even a scum only thing its all forms of omgus which youre prone to regardless.
Or reading your motivation to play/activity level (except perhaps that youre "not caring" was largely expositional and you kept attacking me/others for... believing you about it)
Dont care about you continuously trying to say you wouldnt do things as scum btw. At least do it like me and say "im more likely to" or whatever but the ones youve said have been percentage points at best and some of them definitely 0 or negative numbers imo
Yeah okay.
Unvote, vote Anak
Maybe I’m just a sucker for reasonable people.
KJ not sure precisely what to look for town tom vs scum tom, it has been awhile and apparently he's the best scum player around, but he's had a lot of little comments that make me think town and when i flip his read of Osi our game views match up which is either really good or really bad hah.
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You tied it. Good job Vaimes you are redeeming yourself.
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Don’t think I didn’t see you call me bad.
I really hate the whole line with wanting people to catch him up instead of reading themselves, then complaining that people were scumreading them for that. I put in quite a large amount of time reading through and catching myself up, and it just screams scum that doesn't care much about previous events in the game, whereas even lazy town would have wanted to find the most important parts of the earlier game instead of just not caring at all and wanting others to save them the effort.
Hey Chris! Glad to have you in the game, sort of since I seem to have drawn your ire. I know that I haven't done much this game, but give me the chance to defend myself here. Tom is going to scumread me no matter what, so that's essentially a non-starter. As it is there's just no time to do so, and leading to people throwing terrible votes on me hoping for that quick mislynch away from Osie.
Like KJ's vote is awful, and Osie/GF/Vaimes are barely any better. I implore you to give me just a day tomorrow to try and defend myself and respond to these terrible pushes on me, I'm rather poor at actually making cases even for myself but I will do everything I can to show you how wrong you are.
Tomorrow is deadline. We don't have time to wait a day for a defense. You should claim now so we can figure out if it's worthwhile to lynch you or not.
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HOWEVER, now all jovial and good humor aside. Tom, you gave me a name to save a town read of mine and I have successfully delivered his head for you. I will no longer stand for your vote to be on my town read. Honor what you've said to me and put down your sword for the day.
Osi, enough from you as well. Please understand that it has taken one of the most respected player's this site has ever known's complete and utter devotion to his town reading abilities to keep your head on your shoulders today. Tom IS NOT THE LYNCH TODAY and we must work one day at a time for the moment. I may not be around to help you tomorrow, and I beseech you to let go of Tom paranoia. Let others see what you are seeing naturally if it is to come to pass, and focus on other avenues. You have exhausted the issue of Tom and if you want to contribute to this game meaningfully you have to make inroads with your town reads and consolidate confidence. Right now you don't seem to be on point, so take a step back and breathe a bit.
It is not much of a coincidence that many of my major suspects have not been particularly active since I entered the game in my opinion. I think it makes a lot of sense that a lot of scum thought today was wrapped up. We'll see if I am right.
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Of course you may have the day. Why are you town reading me by the way?
Also if Anak is scum my vote never leaves Vezo for the worst distancing vote I have ever seen "WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR A DEFENSE" like, what? Of course we can give Anak until deadline to defend themselves. How weird.
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I have a few thoughts but most can wait to morning.
The only one I want to drop now is that Anak declaring multiple votes bad but differentiating between them when they were all practically the same vote is an odd look.
I will claim once there are more than two votes on me with reasoning. Yes I'm being that petulant. If most everyone wants to lynch me with votes that have almost literally nothing to them then I would rather gamble on keeping my role hidden, we don't deserve to win with piss poor play like this. Put some meat on those votes and I will acquiese but until then nope.
@Chris I think you are town because you have shown an intense desire to take over the game and get us going in the right direction. Given where we were with one mislynch against us, a deadline running out, and a pretty decent facto lynch target, you could very easily have come in as scum, used the bit of time left to catch up on the game, voted for Osie and gotten to tomorrow without literally anyone batting an eye at you. Regardless of Osies alignment! A town flip wouldn't have been your fault, you joined the consensus given massive time constraints and would have been okay. And if Osie is scum it would have looked good for you gaining some bus credit entering a really bad spot for the town.
Instead of all that, you came in and threw yourself at the game, picked up this dying town, threw it on your back, and are hard carrying it forward. Completely stopped the L-1 wagon with about 48 hours left, dove into everyone, and picked out other viable candidates for a lynch that you see as far more productive.
There's simply no reason to ruffle that many feathers and draw that much attention to yourself as scum in that situation. So I'm willing to bet that you are far more likely to be town, and concede the game that small percentage of the time that you are scum.
However, my piss poor play has made me your target, and I understand why. I had a decent entrance into the game, but for various reasons that don't matter I didn't keep up that level of dedication. Resulted in me providing surface level reads and analysis, and being okay with that as others were to various extents. couple that with hissy fits and emotions running high from others and I was far more content to sit on the sidelines than I should have been. I'm not happy with myself about that but what's done is done.
I'm just trying to save us another mislynch and get us turned the right direction, so I implore you, what can I possibly do to keep myself alive? What questions can I answer or people to go for? I could talk about my own failings all day but I'm not sure that's going to help any of us.
Give me one o those top to bottom town to scum lists everyone loves so much.
Also a claim would not be out of order, and please don't stall it'd only annoy me.
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Aside from these back and forths not being amazing at all, hes also pretty directly using them to manipulate and avoid solving
Hes still spewing nonsense
Like even if he were town youd still be wrong on this bruh
"amazing."
Not as in good or skill based but 'why is he still at it' lol. So Tom wolf PR is in the lead according to you. How does this make you feel?
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Do you understand why this post concerns me? Simple yes or no.
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What are you yammering about now?
Tom-kun, why are you not reading posts from your very strong scum suspect?
*Tilts head*
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Yes i know that
Then in another post talked about how this town was dying lynching osi and you threw it on your back and saved him
Without mentioning the possibility of you propping up a buddy at all
Sigh.
It's not that he is my top suspect, I would still rather lynch Kami over Osie, but given where we are at in regards to deadline I moved my vote over. I would prefer to lynch Kami even but that doesn't seem like much of a possibility.
In that list of four I think Osie is the only likely scum, so 1? Vaimes could be but I don't see that, and KJ and Grape I am going to keep assuming are town until we get enough data to start to suspect their claim, so most likely just the 1.
Vez's vote on me is even worse than just a naked vote on me like KJ, shows a desire just simply to get to night with no spotlight on him
I won't be able to post anything comprehensive, at work and it blocks the site, so limited to quick posting when I can.
If we were -1 from lynching scum how did I save anything Anak?
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Hmm...
8/12/2018
2/25/2019
Before SLTK, I hadn't played on MTGS for over half a year. While it's my home site for forum mafia, it has steadily transitioned away from being my main site, in part as I've shifted into more and more active positions of leadership elsewhere in life and hobbies. (And here in a sense; most of my activity here has been in hosting and reviewing as was my intention from when I joined Avalon in the first place.)
But I guess I'm some master manipulator who instead of solving problems, instead of pushing people to do better themselves, instead of getting jobs done when nobody else will, I'm just getting places in life by acting persecuted. I just take the easy route. That totally sounds like me. I would never be the one to work hard for anything. I would never forsake an advantage in life to instead work hard to pursue anything. I would just whine and act the victim until I got what I wanted.
That's so laughably wrong. Your read on this slot is worthless.
Derpclear and intentional misinterpretation of my posts denied.
I haven't said anything like that for hundreds of posts, and have explicitly said the opposite and condemned people suggesting it as not not reading the thread. Your read is out of date.
EBWODP: Not sure where that extra "not" came from.
Okay chris. I'm gonna bite. You seem determined to prove osie isn't scum and i guess i'm just here for the, "i told you so"
But i'll follow ya.
What you are saying is I should read.. anuk kami and tom?
Okay. I'm gonna be home around 630ish. I'll try and get some solid reads on them.
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The only reason I'm going to walk right into your pocket is that I think I'm decent at reading DV, he was very likely town, and you haven't stepped too far out of the reasonable bounds of town for DV's replacement. I appreciate the defense, but that in and of itself would not be enough.
As for town reads, I've been actively trying to not limit myself to just town sorting. I think it's not strategically sound at least for me to just town sort and not scum sort at all.
Was a perfectly good question til you ruined it
Will probably hammer him
But no, osi is still not town. And i will be furious if yall let him survive after i get killed for lynching scumanak
Also I've got to say I have yet to see anything from Osi or GJ on re-read that I thought was super scummy.
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Osi/Tom/Grapefuit/KJ/Rodemy/Highroller
Which leaves 4 in:
Vaimes/Arak/Tubba/Lngrrr/Vezo/RE1031/Kamikaze
I am curious what other people in that town list think of the people in that list with them, and no need to discuss Osi that slot has gotten enough attention for a lifetime.
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I want people to review LnGrrr and Vaimes. I notice Vaimes in particular sheeped in again - #2304.
Chris reads town and I had D_V as town before, so that slot is good. So far KJ, GF, Chris looking like a good town cluster. (Amusingly, all with a scumlean or scumread on me, I think. Not too surprising given that I was hard on the EtR-cluster D1 and turned out to be wrong.)
I was rereading recent posts looking for something someone else said when I found this again.
Having read your ISO specifically looking for it, this didn't happen. You just dropped the read entirely.
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Good catch. Vezo can die next.
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town!Osie -> town!Chris (major force in turning the wagon away here)
scum!anak -> town!tom (on Mind/Anak much of the game)
More speculative:
scum!anak -?> town!Chris (without the push against Osie, Anak would live today)
scum!Osie -?> town!tom (lighter than the anak-tom connection because this feels more plausibly like it could be distance/bus)
town!anak -??> scum!tom (Very light - town/town conflict is quite plausible here, but certainly it doesn't make Tom look better.)
Eww. This excludes so many perfectly possible and reasonable worlds.
And Anak flipping scum in no way clears Tom.