I just see him at the forefront: but i’m Looking now at the two big ones. ETR and Rhand
Grr isn’t on EITHER of those wagons. That etr wagon is throwing me though. If grr was scum, he would have hammered, right? That is seriously making me think about etr again.
Vaimes and tubba are on the grr wagon but also on the two big ones. Idk if that means anything and I am probably thinking too much about it. What the actual **** am I missing?
Side note grr is also 4th in the osie wagon and I can’t help but think maybe he’s bussing. Again, why scum would be bussing right now I have no idea. But I just get a feeling that’s what grr is up to.
Osie is on grr so maybe... it’s a ploy?
Vaimes is on you and so is kJ.
And I’m broken.
Error. Idk. Good chat.
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Basically i look at those wagons and lngrr looks more likely (and kami less) based on my current worldview, which then feeds upon itself but its fine because the very nature of the read makes lngrr more likely scum if im on the right track and good info to turn me in the right direction if he isnt.
But aorn id rather lynch anak or the johnny slot based on equity alone
Reading the last few pages made me miserable and I refuse to backread any more than necessary, by which i mean really at all.
But I might skim some ISOs. Gotta contribute at least a little to the town win. Sections are in alphabetical order because I can't be bothered.
My role PM says I'm town. Vanilla town. I'll take a Hendricks martini, shaken, not stirred.
Anak-Mindreaver slot is Lock!town because of Mindreaver being awesome.
Rodemy is a pigeon. Lock!town.
Vaimes is Vaimes. Lock!town.
D_V is a honey badger. Townlean.
Grapefruit looks okay. Townlean with reservations in that my eyes kinda glazed over twice.
LnGrrrR can be a townlean too.
Tom can have a townlean if he'll give me a hug and/or a townlean as well.
Tubba townlean because why not?
Vezok is probably just catching up? I'm townleaning with some reservations.
I could go either way on Kamikaze. Null.
EtR doesn't seem to be doing much. Let's go with a scumlean on the slot by itself.
Killjoy is blathering. I'm bored after like 2 pages of posts. Scumlean.
Highroller needs to catch up. Clearly he's trying to read too much. Or maybe not. Oh wait, that's Tau-slot? Lynch that slot with fire for that gambit of Tau's. Take a harder look at EtR.
I haven't even skimmed my own slot but I kinda don't want to do so. Maybe at least seeing his readlists might make sense.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
tom's day 2 has been the huntiest he has been all game DV. I don't get what you saw on day 1 that gave you even the remotest impression he has been hunting. What I do like about him is that if he was a wolf trying to pile drive me, him resisting against you showing doubt strikes me as not something he would do. He wants people to vote me, but seems to care about their reasons, not something I would expect from a wolf pushing a mislynch.
@everyone what do you think of johnny making this post, followed by wolfreading me entirely for calling him scum? And why have you not majjed him?
Especially @anak and @vaimes who have stated the exact opposite of the first sentence
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@osi sorry your predeccesor outed you so hard
Bold move making the same made up town read devoid of a single reason on anak slot. That will keep me awake tonight prolly
@osi sorry your predeccesor outed you so hard
Bold move making the same made up town read devoid of a single reason on anak slot. That will keep me awake tonight prolly
Actually vanilla townie. Shadow and Bur misinterpreted me when I joked about replacing into the game but not reading it and replaced me in. So I'm now in a game that I had no plan to play.
To be fair, from skimming the conversation between DV and Johnny before I replaced in, I thought that Johnny was scum and DV was town.
But I haven't really read the thread and wasn't planning on doing much of it even after I found out that I was in the game.
Anaklusmos I don't really have a read on, to be honest. I could be wrong on Mindreaver. The only game I particularly remember of his is Avalon which was, well, Avalon.
But I did like Mindreaver's tone here. I read parts of some of his longer posts and found myself nodding along.
I fully expected that someone would want to lynch me for choosing to not fully reread the game start to end, and that someone would want to lynch me if I posted notes on the game from start to end based on those notes not being involved enough, being too flaily, or what have you.
If you are in fact town, and want town to be engaged in this game, give me reason to engage in this game, please. If this slot is irrevocably tarnished by GJ and DV's argument or whatever else GJ did that looked scummy, then oh well. I'll get lynched and then I'll go back to doing something else.
1. I did know that this slot was scumread and I level 0 agreed with the reads. Was surprised and just expressed that off the bat.
2. I figured it was a normal game with Highroller in it so there was likely some sort of push for a massclaim.
3. Claiming may be not nearly as taboo to me as it is could be to a lot of people. It's just part of the game. I might throw my vote around some. I might throw my claim out there. I might throw my reads, however level 0 they are, out there.
Do you know if Grape ever confirmed the Killjoy thing?
I believe he did.
Hmm.
I'm not seeing a direct confirmation and I've actually been reading Grape's ISO closely enough that I should have been able to catch it if it was explicit ever since Killjoy's post.
I've seen soft confirmation, but never something saying that he actually saw anything in his role PM to confirm Killjoy.
Do you know if Grape ever confirmed the Killjoy thing?
I believe he did.
Hmm.
I'm not seeing a direct confirmation and I've actually been reading Grape's ISO closely enough that I should have been able to catch it if it was explicit ever since Killjoy's post.
I've seen soft confirmation, but never something saying that he actually saw anything in his role PM to confirm Killjoy.
NVM I reread the claim post. Killjoy had Grape's name, not other way around.
Do you know if Grape ever confirmed the Killjoy thing?
I believe he did.
Hmm.
I'm not seeing a direct confirmation and I've actually been reading Grape's ISO closely enough that I should have been able to catch it if it was explicit ever since Killjoy's post.
I've seen soft confirmation, but never something saying that he actually saw anything in his role PM to confirm Killjoy.
NVM I reread the claim post. Killjoy had Grape's name, not other way around.
@Vaimes: What do you think of tom versus Grapefruit? Could that be town/town? I'm much more positive on Killjoy now that I looked into this, and in turn am townreading Grapefruit.
Sorry all for not posting last night, fell asleep multiple times trying to type posts up. Resulted them making even less sense than what I normally type, so just had to punt to today. Also, welcome all newcomers into the game!
OK. I looked at Tom's ISO. There are too many posts and they're too tom-shaped to go through and do a PBPA; instead I focused on getting a holistic view of Tom's positions.
What I'm seeing is a relatively stable, but not locked-in core, surrounded by tendrils of chaotic action. He's got a couple of reads that form relatively quickly and are maintained over time, along with poking at other possibilities. The main scumread starts as Lngrrr, then goes to Mind (now Anak) where it stays stable for a long while. The progression there looks natural - most importantly it's not opportunistic (e.g. Mind picking up a wagon and Tom hopping on it). The chaotic tendrils around that are Tom poking at a bunch of other things, hopping on and off of other wagons, but those don't affect the core reads.
People are talking about "twtbaw" and I don't see that - there's no obvious scumminess here.
I do want tom to tell me what's up with his LnGrrrr read currently.
I'm curious what you went into Tom's ISO expecting to find. Your conclusion was that there was no obvious scumminess, which did you seriously expect there to be? Maybe on like Day 5 when there are flips to base concrete things off of, but right now? Less so.
This is looking more to me as a way of looking like you are doing something helpful for town, while not doing or saying much of anything.
tom's day 2 has been the huntiest he has been all game DV. I don't get what you saw on day 1 that gave you even the remotest impression he has been hunting. What I do like about him is that if he was a wolf trying to pile drive me, him resisting against you showing doubt strikes me as not something he would do. He wants people to vote me, but seems to care about their reasons, not something I would expect from a wolf pushing a mislynch.
@everyone what do you think of johnny making this post, followed by wolfreading me entirely for calling him scum? And why have you not majjed him?
Especially @anak and @vaimes who have stated the exact opposite of the first sentence
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Bold move making the same made up town read devoid of a single reason on anak slot. That will keep me awake tonight prolly
I certainly think GJ is incorrect is his judgment of your behavior. The progression from that post to calling you scum kind of fits in a sense that he was carrying a lot of emotion through the game, and as such when you called him scum he just recoiled and went the other direction. Which isn't to say he wasn't being logical, just more of getting on the right path with logic and rocketing down it with emotion. With GJ its been shown even in this game that being rather emotional, while generally townie, can be faked from him specifically, in which case do you really see this as very alignment indicative?
Why do you keep mentioning your (supposed) role when it literally means nothing?
Not hugely invested in the game, in case you couldn't tell, so it's one of the only pieces of info that I solidly have instead of just kinda limp-wristedly guessing at. If I was scum, I'd just ask my buddies to catch me up, but I don't have that luxury.
Im sure they'd help you out more if you hadnt immediately given up
I mean, I was figuring when I saw that I was replaced in that I might have replaced into a scum slot and then I'd just ask to be caught up. But then I read the PM and was like "GJ was town? No way." and proceeded to lose most of my motivation. At least if I was scum here I could have some fun reclaiming the high ground for the slot, but as highly scumread town it's pretty moot. That's why I was asking people to engage me on specific things so that I could find things in the game to be interested enough in to read more of it. But thanks for the smarm. Maybe we can get into how much I flail all the time next.
Or you could explain to me why you in particular scumread this slot and Mindreaver's slot. Or for that matter, why Highroller is higher than Vaimes in your list.
@osi
All of my reads are explained in great detail.
@kami
Not sure what you need explained. He replaced into a slot continuously leaving its townrange and expositioned about not caring while making a bunch of posts about nothing and lamenting his doom.
Its, like, objectively scummy not just for osi or something complicated its just very yikes.
Honestly dont really want to spend any more brain power on the slot just lynch it then figure out its buddies assuming gj was in antispew all along since he was literally just aggression and omgus
No. That was a gimmick. This is me just not giving a *****.
You didn't give a ***** that game either. This is just what if Scum Loves The King if you actually posted with words.
That is fundamentally false.
I actively was not expecting to be lynched that game in the way that it happened. There was no coordination with DV about the gimmicking before or during the game. (In fact, there was no scum daychat, so coordination during the game was impossible.)
I didn't go into that thinking "I'm just not going to try very hard." No, instead I went in and put a decent amount of time and effort into playing the game with a posting restriction. I literally spent $30-50 between 2-3 different days to come home from work on lunch break and play the game near the beginning of the game. Rather than working on the podcast as was my original intention for that time at least once.
So telling me that I wasn't giving a ***** that game is rather dismissive and insulting.
This game I literally wasn't expecting to play in and I got subbed in because I joked about replacing in and not reading anything. It's night and day between this game and the other one. But since I'm in a game with over 2000 posts that I don't really want to spend the time, effort, and likely money that I would have to do so to reread in its entirety, I'm asking people politely to help me get more motivated by summarizing and by pointing me to particular things that they would like me to read.
But feel free to just continue to be dismissive to me like you and tom have been so far. I'll just get mislynched and **** off and not put any further thought into this game other than being able to chat with DV and Wisp some about it.
All I did was request that people engage me. But I guess that was too much to ask.
Antispew means reducing the amount of info scum give out the town. Like me and GJ in Secret Agent where we tried to post nothing of value after we were discovered or wifom.
w/w is wolf/wolf or scum/scum.
RVS is the Random Voting Stage where everyone votes at random in the beginning of the game.
Pocket refers to a scum player trying to or succeeding in convincing a town player that they are town. Usually done be mimicking something the town person believes could only come from town and the scum using this info to fool them.
Barn comes from who knows where and refers to agreeing with someone's opinions. For example, I think X is scum because of Y and Z, Next player quotes my post and says /barn.
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@osi
All of my reads are explained in great detail.
I just went over your ISO backwards through #1296 looking for talk about your GJ read, since you certainly aren't actually putting any effort into really interacting with me enough to form a real read. Your GJ read was around the same time as you flipping out about how stressed you were at work. And then you stuck to it without really developing it or changing your mind.
From reading your posts (yes, I gave up and read a bunch of them), you're probably town. So why throw away actually interacting with people and developing reads in favor of a read you made when by your own account you were not remotely near your best? You've played with me in more games than any other living player here, you have more ability to read me any day by a huge margin, and you're saying "**** it, actually interacting with Osie doesn't make sense, it's not worth involving him in the game, I'll just lynch him based on my *****ty read on his predecessor?" I thought you were better than that. The Tomsloger I've seen in literally EVERY GAME I've seen you playing in prior to this one was better than that. Why the **** are you giving up as well?
Actually, Vezok, I have a question for you (and then maybe others can answer this too).
You had a strong scumread on Tau slot earlier in D2 which you seem to have completely and abruptly forgotten about and not thought about any more after responding in post 1602 to an OoG attack made by my predecessor. What happened to that read? Did it change? Did it just disappear?
Hey do i have enough towncred/a good enough reputation/whatever to just say "lets lynch gj and if he flips town i personally take all the blame and you can lynch me tomorrow"?
Not saying I'm there, ive only been skimming since i went v/la and would want to do my due dilligence and maybe figure out how to articulate it in some kind of way that makes sense to people other than me if it still holds but...
Currently what im feeling pretty strongly
JOHNNY went through in iso to figure where the gut came from. Think it was a lack of thoughtfulness that, like, yeah lolday1 and johnny is a pretty aggresive sort but
Like his whole iso is so binary. Even accounting for this being generally binary alignment game its pretty striking. Theres no third option for anything he has an opinion on.
Its always this or this. Even when he manipulates people into getting off him im not a wolf OR bad those Arent the only choices Jonathan
He also veers into mafia theory too easy for my liking. Its early on and its meh but i dont like it anyway.
And since this is his newest binary push
KAMI i dont need to iso to make this read. Hes either town, and thought the tau gambit actually had a good chance of working and thought it would be cool. Or hes scum and thought it would be cool and he could get away with it.
Those are both viable. Period.
Now hes gotta start playing mafia and *****
Adding it to last chunk
highroller
kami
ETR
johnny
Johnny moderate scumread
Kami null, with watchful eye
Hey Johnny whats the big difference between anak and tubbas reads post that made you say you like anak but called tubbas post wolfy?
Lot of reasons. I don't really see a reason to break it down. There isn't an answer I can give to change your mind, and frankly, regardless of Kami's alignment, that comment about me pushing the thread tilted more than every single one of Grape's post combined. I want to see one of LnGrrr/Kami swing right now. If I have to go tomorrow, so be it. If I have to go today, I don't really care anymore. I wouldn't be pushing so hard if there was a even an iota of effort from half the players in the game. The only people actively engaging me are likely town. If you want my honest opinion, I could probably flip a coin on half the players in the game right now and not be surprised.
got it you just say things with no reason
Real talk those posts dont look that different to me. I liked tubbas a little more, just because anaks was so passionless and consensusy. But neither seemed particularly needle movey and your reactions to them seem pretty random to me.
Why does me saying youre pushing more than solving tilt you? You essentially admitted it was true but not AI, i wasnt gonna bring it up again really. What up?
Hi gj im not in the mood to be emotionally manipulated so im not responding to most of what you just said.
Reevaluating doesnt mean changing though. No, they didnt change a whole lot. I noticed that they didnt. So what?
What of my reads are you even taking issue with other than scumreading you?
Its not im bad or im a wolf pushing you.
Its im town, and you have been scummy. You shouting that youre obv town without being so doesnt change that.
Yes, i think youre more interested in aggression than thoughtfulness. Yes, thats in your town range.
If you think i should be townreading you, go do something townie. That thing will never be "*****ing about how tom isnt townreading you"
I have been hunting, I have been trying to reread. I have been looking back at isos, and responding to questions. Instead of some pointless ******* dodge, why don't you ******* tell me why I am wrong for disliking tubba's catch up, or was that emotional manipulation as well? And
As far as my problems with your reads, apart from myself, I went into detail why I didn't like where your grape read fell without stating why, or why KJ was absent from that list (I know he brought that up). Instead, you browbeated him for it. why is that tom, or that emotional manipulation to ask that question?
You also have Highroller/Tau, who hasn't made a post in probably, almost a week or two (and HR has done nothing since then) and you have him higher than Vaimes? If I flip town, does that change? Can I ask that, or is that emotional manipulation?
tubbas catchup was whatever. The issue i have is more with liking anaks when its essentially a more dispassionate version of tubbas. You gave me silly wording tells, and avoided mentioning anak at all.
This has been noted for posterity, but im not sure what id respond to about it.
I did not leave kj off the list. I just didnt iso him. And, as i told kj, if youd read my posts youd know why. The one where i talked about grape and kj after they answered my questions about eachother, and combined them in to one name that has to be considered together. Which i think is pretty reasonable as they are inexorably linked.
And the placement is because i think they are more likely to contain a wolf than [my actual townreads] but still less than anyone else.
Im actually fairly happy with that placement.
Highroller aint done ***** but tau was >rand town. I made a post about it. Feel free to argue with it.
Vaimes ive been asking for peoples townreads on cuz i cant see it. Feel free to enlighten me.
Also feel free to just continue being a snot about it and get lynched d3 or so
You are a veteran player tom. You aren't stupid enough to think KJ could be town with a fake peak. Grape should either be lock town, or not. Your placement is bad for a player that is mechanically clear. Just admit it, quit this posturing bull*****. You aren't impressing anybody.
As for as tau go, I am assuming this is the post you are referencing:
Come away from tau iso, and he
Says some stuff, asks some questions, decent readslist but certainly nothing unfakeable. Thing i like the most is admitting the gambit was bravado and thinking about all possiblities here, but he doesnt follow up on that (or his previous reads). Which is ubfortunate but not AI its clearly oog reasons for lurking out
*taking a town point from vaimes for shading him for that*
Etr iso, think its mostly good posts. I agree with several of his stances, can see his processes. It looks town to me. As with tau theres some element of "good posters gonna make good posts", but still a townlean except
And at this point, I'll just say it since I'm 99.9% to be the lynch. He could be a neutral. His flavor probably has something to do with taking over the family. I don't know what his ability would be when he unlocks it. But by pulling this gambit he can get some town cred (i.e. Why would a scum risk this).
Is just
A scum mindset.
So
highroller/ETR
Or
highrollerETR (averaging out colors)
On my eventual rainbow wall
Thats not super satisfying, but probably all i should have on 2 good, lowposting players on day 2... guess were building this rainbow wall from the middle, and continuing to read etr and adding hr to the mix.
Let me ask you this (assuming you find KJ is town), what are the odds you think both neighbors are town and KJ's role exist, considering the power we have seen so far this game?
As far as arguing with it, I though Tau had decent tone myself. I think Vaimes has more tone, and had decent day 1 hunting. I don't really have a post that points to Vaimes town posting, but it's there. I don't really have anyhting else to go with, apart from the fact that the one game he wasn't town that I was in, I caught him (sk in Ace Attorney). Read his day 1 again. I'll think about gonig back and finding the specific posts I liked.
As far as the anak posts, his posts always come off emotionless and dispassionate. It's pretty NAI for him.
i think grape/kj could be w/w, i think kj could be scum, i think grape could be godfather.
The combined likelihood of the 3 doesnt add up to much, thus being my second highest towntier, but still more than dv or rod being scum.
As ive said
I think kj/grape being town makes it more likely theres a wolf in the neighbors
As ive said
This is part of the problem johnny. You say youre reading and asking questions but you obviously arent or the answers wouldnt exist already.
Would still love for anyone to show me vaimes having townie tone ive looked its just not. Hes fine. I dont want to lynch him. But he hasnt shown me hes town how can multiple be convinced and none of them can say a word about why?
And for the record, johnny absolutely doesnt believe im scum right now.
Thats plain in his posts.
Vaimes prolly wouldnt be trying very hard to read me regardless of his alignment but hopping on a tom wagon for the lulz is solidly in his town range
Heres where id be discrediting grapes read if he had literally anything to discredit.
Can kind of see his pushes on me/dv being emboldened by his "conftown" status and that might actually be a townie look for him. Which is a pleasant surprise i still find him scummier than anyone in this game other than mindreaver
So
Fun wagon guys woohoo you might get another vote or two especially if anak/lngrr/kami/tubba are acum have fun with that
I think you could be a wolf. That part is plain in my posts.
yes you felt the need to say i could be
Because of course i could be aint no one gonna argue I'm out of my wolf range
But ive absolutely done more solving than anyone in this game, no one has posited a reason i could be scum that doesnt involve disagreeing with my reads, and the number of teams that makes sense with me on them are objectively shrinking.
Gtfo of course i can be a wolf. Its just less likely because im townie af
Been trying to find the words to describe one thing and failing for awhile
Meanspirited howling
Emotional manipulation
Forcing binary choices
Think i might have said gaslighting at some point
Theyre all kind of true. But...
So like his main contribution, overshadowing everything else hes done at least in my mind, is simply
"Townread me or youre a wolf"
Idk what percentage of his posts, but ot feels like its the lions share of his oomph.
I said earlier it's been townread johnny>he townreads you. Its how hes treated me in the extreme but theres some elements of it throughout all his reads.
And i know its strategic because no way he really believes that regardless and it feels like a really unpleasant version of scumempoof just calling himself town til everyone accidentally starts believeing it in champs
I am a wolf because i refuse to believe johnny is town.
Is that johnny hunting or is that johnny getting people to townread him?
@kami
Not sure what you need explained. He replaced into a slot continuously leaving its townrange and expositioned about not caring while making a bunch of posts about nothing and lamenting his doom.
Its, like, objectively scummy not just for osi or something complicated its just very yikes.
Honestly dont really want to spend any more brain power on the slot just lynch it then figure out its buddies assuming gj was in antispew all along since he was literally just aggression and omgus
Tau was prolly town though
Unvote, vote Sir Chris
Thought you were town on dv?
I just see him at the forefront: but i’m Looking now at the two big ones. ETR and Rhand
Grr isn’t on EITHER of those wagons. That etr wagon is throwing me though. If grr was scum, he would have hammered, right? That is seriously making me think about etr again.
Vaimes and tubba are on the grr wagon but also on the two big ones. Idk if that means anything and I am probably thinking too much about it. What the actual **** am I missing?
Side note grr is also 4th in the osie wagon and I can’t help but think maybe he’s bussing. Again, why scum would be bussing right now I have no idea. But I just get a feeling that’s what grr is up to.
Osie is on grr so maybe... it’s a ploy?
Vaimes is on you and so is kJ.
And I’m broken.
Error. Idk. Good chat.
Basically i look at those wagons and lngrr looks more likely (and kami less) based on my current worldview, which then feeds upon itself but its fine because the very nature of the read makes lngrr more likely scum if im on the right track and good info to turn me in the right direction if he isnt.
But aorn id rather lynch anak or the johnny slot based on equity alone
Why?
But I might skim some ISOs. Gotta contribute at least a little to the town win. Sections are in alphabetical order because I can't be bothered.
My role PM says I'm town. Vanilla town. I'll take a Hendricks martini, shaken, not stirred.
Anak-Mindreaver slot is Lock!town because of Mindreaver being awesome.
Rodemy is a pigeon. Lock!town.
Vaimes is Vaimes. Lock!town.
D_V is a honey badger. Townlean.
Grapefruit looks okay. Townlean with reservations in that my eyes kinda glazed over twice.
LnGrrrR can be a townlean too.
Tom can have a townlean if he'll give me a hug and/or a townlean as well.
Tubba townlean because why not?
Vezok is probably just catching up? I'm townleaning with some reservations.
I could go either way on Kamikaze. Null.
EtR doesn't seem to be doing much. Let's go with a scumlean on the slot by itself.
Killjoy is blathering. I'm bored after like 2 pages of posts. Scumlean.
Highroller needs to catch up. Clearly he's trying to read too much. Or maybe not. Oh wait, that's Tau-slot? Lynch that slot with fire for that gambit of Tau's. Take a harder look at EtR.
I haven't even skimmed my own slot but I kinda don't want to do so. Maybe at least seeing his readlists might make sense.
vote osie
See yall day 3
Osie, discuss the relationship between me and Grape.
@everyone what do you think of johnny making this post, followed by wolfreading me entirely for calling him scum? And why have you not majjed him?
Especially @anak and @vaimes who have stated the exact opposite of the first sentence
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@osi sorry your predeccesor outed you so hard
Bold move making the same made up town read devoid of a single reason on anak slot. That will keep me awake tonight prolly
Actually vanilla townie. Shadow and Bur misinterpreted me when I joked about replacing into the game but not reading it and replaced me in. So I'm now in a game that I had no plan to play.
To be fair, from skimming the conversation between DV and Johnny before I replaced in, I thought that Johnny was scum and DV was town.
But I haven't really read the thread and wasn't planning on doing much of it even after I found out that I was in the game.
Anaklusmos I don't really have a read on, to be honest. I could be wrong on Mindreaver. The only game I particularly remember of his is Avalon which was, well, Avalon.
But I did like Mindreaver's tone here. I read parts of some of his longer posts and found myself nodding along.
I fully expected that someone would want to lynch me for choosing to not fully reread the game start to end, and that someone would want to lynch me if I posted notes on the game from start to end based on those notes not being involved enough, being too flaily, or what have you.
If you are in fact town, and want town to be engaged in this game, give me reason to engage in this game, please. If this slot is irrevocably tarnished by GJ and DV's argument or whatever else GJ did that looked scummy, then oh well. I'll get lynched and then I'll go back to doing something else.
1. I did know that this slot was scumread and I level 0 agreed with the reads. Was surprised and just expressed that off the bat.
2. I figured it was a normal game with Highroller in it so there was likely some sort of push for a massclaim.
3. Claiming may be not nearly as taboo to me as it is could be to a lot of people. It's just part of the game. I might throw my vote around some. I might throw my claim out there. I might throw my reads, however level 0 they are, out there.
Unvote, vote osie
I probably won't be voting for tom again, so that's fun.
I thought your slot was leaning town but it uh, took a pretty swift nosedive.
I don't think I've ever played with him as scum. I skimmed that one game where he alted and got booed into replacing himself or whatever.
Still VT.
Do you know if Grape ever confirmed the Killjoy thing?
Deadline is this coming Friday.
Hmm.
I'm not seeing a direct confirmation and I've actually been reading Grape's ISO closely enough that I should have been able to catch it if it was explicit ever since Killjoy's post.
I've seen soft confirmation, but never something saying that he actually saw anything in his role PM to confirm Killjoy.
Don't think Grape's role PM had any mention of Killjo
They can correct me slash guide you to the posts, probably.
NVM I reread the claim post. Killjoy had Grape's name, not other way around.
Need to find where Killjoy posted Grape's name.
Got it. "Least favorite ninja turtle." Okay.
Never moving my vote. I know i already implied that but
Yeah
I'm not self-preserving onto you however much you try, tom.
I'm curious what you went into Tom's ISO expecting to find. Your conclusion was that there was no obvious scumminess, which did you seriously expect there to be? Maybe on like Day 5 when there are flips to base concrete things off of, but right now? Less so.
This is looking more to me as a way of looking like you are doing something helpful for town, while not doing or saying much of anything.
I certainly think GJ is incorrect is his judgment of your behavior. The progression from that post to calling you scum kind of fits in a sense that he was carrying a lot of emotion through the game, and as such when you called him scum he just recoiled and went the other direction. Which isn't to say he wasn't being logical, just more of getting on the right path with logic and rocketing down it with emotion. With GJ its been shown even in this game that being rather emotional, while generally townie, can be faked from him specifically, in which case do you really see this as very alignment indicative?
Why do you keep mentioning your (supposed) role when it literally means nothing?
Not hugely invested in the game, in case you couldn't tell, so it's one of the only pieces of info that I solidly have instead of just kinda limp-wristedly guessing at. If I was scum, I'd just ask my buddies to catch me up, but I don't have that luxury.
No. That was a gimmick. This is me just not giving a *****.
I mean, I was figuring when I saw that I was replaced in that I might have replaced into a scum slot and then I'd just ask to be caught up. But then I read the PM and was like "GJ was town? No way." and proceeded to lose most of my motivation. At least if I was scum here I could have some fun reclaiming the high ground for the slot, but as highly scumread town it's pretty moot. That's why I was asking people to engage me on specific things so that I could find things in the game to be interested enough in to read more of it. But thanks for the smarm. Maybe we can get into how much I flail all the time next.
Or you could explain to me why you in particular scumread this slot and Mindreaver's slot. Or for that matter, why Highroller is higher than Vaimes in your list.
@Vaimes, tom: Can you please give more detail to your reads than "yikes"?
All of my reads are explained in great detail.
@kami
Not sure what you need explained. He replaced into a slot continuously leaving its townrange and expositioned about not caring while making a bunch of posts about nothing and lamenting his doom.
Its, like, objectively scummy not just for osi or something complicated its just very yikes.
Honestly dont really want to spend any more brain power on the slot just lynch it then figure out its buddies assuming gj was in antispew all along since he was literally just aggression and omgus
LnGrr (1): Kami
tom (1): Kj
Vezok (1): EtR
Kami (1): Anak
Highroller (1): osi
Not Voting (3): Tubba, Highroller, Grape
1. Antispew
2. W/W
3. RVS
4. Pocket/to pocket/pocketing
5. Barn
That is fundamentally false.
I actively was not expecting to be lynched that game in the way that it happened. There was no coordination with DV about the gimmicking before or during the game. (In fact, there was no scum daychat, so coordination during the game was impossible.)
I didn't go into that thinking "I'm just not going to try very hard." No, instead I went in and put a decent amount of time and effort into playing the game with a posting restriction. I literally spent $30-50 between 2-3 different days to come home from work on lunch break and play the game near the beginning of the game. Rather than working on the podcast as was my original intention for that time at least once.
So telling me that I wasn't giving a ***** that game is rather dismissive and insulting.
This game I literally wasn't expecting to play in and I got subbed in because I joked about replacing in and not reading anything. It's night and day between this game and the other one. But since I'm in a game with over 2000 posts that I don't really want to spend the time, effort, and likely money that I would have to do so to reread in its entirety, I'm asking people politely to help me get more motivated by summarizing and by pointing me to particular things that they would like me to read.
But feel free to just continue to be dismissive to me like you and tom have been so far. I'll just get mislynched and **** off and not put any further thought into this game other than being able to chat with DV and Wisp some about it.
All I did was request that people engage me. But I guess that was too much to ask.
Antispew means reducing the amount of info scum give out the town. Like me and GJ in Secret Agent where we tried to post nothing of value after we were discovered or wifom.
w/w is wolf/wolf or scum/scum.
RVS is the Random Voting Stage where everyone votes at random in the beginning of the game.
Pocket refers to a scum player trying to or succeeding in convincing a town player that they are town. Usually done be mimicking something the town person believes could only come from town and the scum using this info to fool them.
Barn comes from who knows where and refers to agreeing with someone's opinions. For example, I think X is scum because of Y and Z, Next player quotes my post and says /barn.
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I just went over your ISO backwards through #1296 looking for talk about your GJ read, since you certainly aren't actually putting any effort into really interacting with me enough to form a real read. Your GJ read was around the same time as you flipping out about how stressed you were at work. And then you stuck to it without really developing it or changing your mind.
From reading your posts (yes, I gave up and read a bunch of them), you're probably town. So why throw away actually interacting with people and developing reads in favor of a read you made when by your own account you were not remotely near your best? You've played with me in more games than any other living player here, you have more ability to read me any day by a huge margin, and you're saying "**** it, actually interacting with Osie doesn't make sense, it's not worth involving him in the game, I'll just lynch him based on my *****ty read on his predecessor?" I thought you were better than that. The Tomsloger I've seen in literally EVERY GAME I've seen you playing in prior to this one was better than that. Why the **** are you giving up as well?
And here I was going to say that I feel you here.
You had a strong scumread on Tau slot earlier in D2 which you seem to have completely and abruptly forgotten about and not thought about any more after responding in post 1602 to an OoG attack made by my predecessor. What happened to that read? Did it change? Did it just disappear?