As it stands Ruma is scum, I have my meta on him, and until he proves me wrong, he is lock scum... you can hate my reasons, thats fine, but this is my town game...
essentially my thoughts on cowbells is they just look alone. I mean theres the parakeet but otherwise nothing. Like its their full vibe.
So ruma just defaults to scum until he proves otherwise? Any glimmers in this back and forth?
as for right now im going to keep my thoughts on Ruma to myself
and like this extremely self important 'this is not what scum him would do!!!' isn't gonna help you find scum
you don't know what he's actually thinking. you don't know what's motivating his decisions.
i think his push feeling played up is a far reliable indicator of his alignment than your guesses as to 'what scum him would do'
too much meta blah blah blah, i get it, tom is just being tom, but hes being town!tom so far. Let me evaluate the game the way I do
Scarlet
too much hedging? how bout you give me a solid opinion? My thoughts just come out, whether they are contradictions or even coherent, I dont double check my posts before I post them most of the time
Why does it feel like we arent aligned this game?
in a wisp-y way? does that mean something? but im hedgy right? so whats your real thoughts on me?
Tonally I think you are scum, I dont think you really believe much of the things you are posting... When you default to things like, "in a wisp-y way" it feels like a cop-out read.
What are your thoughts on Ruma's posts so far? from a perspective that isnt through me?
Sure then, but tbf it was kinda obvious your tone was joking.
good luck tonally reading Tom
Scarlet
too much hedging? how bout you give me a solid opinion? My thoughts just come out, whether they are contradictions or even coherent, I dont double check my posts before I post them most of the time
Why does it feel like we arent aligned this game?
in a wisp-y way? does that mean something? but im hedgy right? so whats your real thoughts on me?
Tonally I think you are scum, I dont think you really believe much of the things you are posting... When you default to things like, "in a wisp-y way" it feels like a cop-out read.
What are your thoughts on Ruma's posts so far? from a perspective that isnt through me?
Sure then, but tbf it was kinda obvious your tone was joking.
good luck tonally reading Tom
Dude I already have - Even though Rad is acting crazy af right now I think he's Town, possibly because of that craziness. With the amount of posting he had early on it shows investment, and we've already established he's a new player. I don't think he'd be acting irrationally early on if he were scum. If it falls apart later, then he might be, but the signs suggest Town right now.
Although I haven't got the best read of you, I also think you're Town. Your enthusiasm and tone match with what I know as your Town game, and the mindset of your attitude toward Rum suggests Town to me. Although the conclusion is really bad, you're an experienced player so opinions such as that would be less likely to be said as scum. (This is due to the frequency at which pushing for a player that hasn't posted gets suspicion on the person.) Furthermore, by ruling out that out it is easy to say that you believe it, which means that it comes from a place that wants to make this game easier for Town.
To answer your second question, I don't know. That is up to you to figure out because I do not exactly have access to your mind's thoughts.
Wisp, you were reading my post incorrectly. I was saying that your thoughts on Rum looked like it made sense to you, but not necessarily to anyone else and it just feels like something you would write and think naturally.
Conclusion: I'm not saying that you're scummy, I'm saying that it's hard to discern what you're thinking solidly, if that makes sense.
Finally, Rum has posted twice. That's not enough to read off of and I already gave my thoughts to what he said on page 2: it sounds preach-y, like he genuinely believes it and wants others to abide by it. I had the same feeling off a Rad post on the same page. Those sorts of thoughts are often genuine, but can easily apply to either alignment so is not AI.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
What does that tell you about the two people on my wagon, tom and Rhand?
the train was rvs or at least started by Rhand, Tom voted you with a pun, I can say it really leads me in any direction... Story could change later on, based on if/when you get lynched or killed and flip, based on what you flip...
Rhand hasnt posted anything outside of that vote, so its impossible, well maybe not impossible in some cases, to have a read on him as of yet
Tom is a hard cookie to crack, and at the moment im getting town vibes
currently my PoE is as follows: Rhand, You, Scarlet and I kinda like it, obviously theres not 3 scum, but im confortable with it currently
Is this a serious vote?
more or less, I explained my thoughts, and voted where I thought was best, based only on meta
vote: Killjoy
tho im more interested to see what comes of this train starting up again
do try. It might help me figure out your alignment.
i think im good, and ill my best to project town, more so then I do most games, but im not going to personally help you read me...
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
killjoy is probably scum after #89, doubtful that ill be able to efficently explain why, but just know thats how I feel
do try. It might help me figure out your alignment.
OHHHH Those were questions. I had no clue what it was on first readthrough so I just ignored it.
To appear Town I try to replicate my Town game. Sadly, I find it really difficult to question things and form opinions that are original unless I know for a fact it comes from scum, so I end up burying my scumbuddies instead. Has happened in all three of my most recent scum games, only one of which being in the last few months (Hydra Mafia: RIP Dias/Wisp).
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i find it strange that no one but me sees scarletcelestial as basically outed wolf right now
outted is a strong word, can you enlighten me to why? I think she has high scum equity so far from her posts, but I also have played plenty of games with her, so I know how this usually goes for her...
I also think killjoy, has a decent amount of scum equity as well
OK that was a lot more long winded than I thought it was in my head...
better, I like that post, now, can you take a deeper dive into killjoy's longer post on the previous page, and tell me what you think piece by piece
There isn't too much there that wasn't covered before or was overly thoughtful. Probably the best bits were him questioning you about Tom and Rhand and his opinion directed as Tom as both were the most original. Everything from the opinions section was either self-evident or already covered.
Like, it's really basic but most of it is starting points on myself, Rum and Rad as he hasn't played with any of us before. In that way, I expect the reads to be more basic and hence why I think the comments to you and Tom are better, perhaps, since he actually knows you.
In that way I think it's all logical starting points for someone who wants to start solving: both in respects to people he knows and people he doesn't. He cares about the questions since he pointed them out to yourself and I. It looks like someone who is logically thinking as to how to approach game-solving imo.
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To be fair this is the regular pattern for me: Day 1 people think I'm scum unless it's absolutely obvious then BOOM Day 2 insta-Town as my Towniness shines through and prevails.
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if you really want to vote killjoy I'll vote with you because I don't feel like trying to fight to convince people on SC or tom
she is in my PoE, you dont need to convince me, and even if you had tried, I wouldnt care, because I can only trust my own views, regardless of even if I think you are town... I've watched too many town, just bury town
if you really want to vote killjoy I'll vote with you because I don't feel like trying to fight to convince people on SC or tom
she is in my PoE, you dont need to convince me, and even if you had tried, I wouldnt care, because I can only trust my own views, regardless of even if I think you are town... I've watched too many town, just bury town
when did your read on Tom change?
this seems pretty silly
you ignore other townies reads because you've seen other townies bury town?
haven't you buried town before?
do you think that you are the person in this game who has the best reads?
if you really want to vote killjoy I'll vote with you because I don't feel like trying to fight to convince people on SC or tom
she is in my PoE, you dont need to convince me, and even if you had tried, I wouldnt care, because I can only trust my own views, regardless of even if I think you are town... I've watched too many town, just bury town
when did your read on Tom change?
this seems pretty silly
you ignore other townies reads because you've seen other townies bury town?
haven't you buried town before?
do you think that you are the person in this game who has the best reads?
from the sense that I am the only confirmed town, yes, my reads > everyone elses, and yes Ive mislynched town before, its a factor to mafia thats always bond to happen, but this is a small game, and it doesnt leave room for mistakes
Radiant and I are the only ones that produced town/scum circles from the minimal content we have, the outlier here is Rhand, cause I can't read him off that one post
lw if every townie said 'oh i can only trust my own reads' then they all came to different conclusions scum would walk all over town every game because they could just support whichever townie on whichever day phase was wrong and that would end up being the lynch with no town coordination
@RC
and yes I will eventually start bouncing my reads off the people in my town core, but its still too early for that, maybe at one point Ill lock you as town and ill be more open to your thoughts
the problem is you have a combination of *****posting which I guess is nai, and the fact that your bouncing some of your reads off your parakeet, which is interesting to say the least
i refuse to vote anyone but SC because that's my pet read
you refuse to vote anyone but KJ because that's your pet read
let's say one other townie has a different pet read
100% of the time we end up lynching town today because the scum just piledrive whichever read is wrong (and at least 1 is guaranteed to be wrong)
my bizarre playstyle in this game is largely due to IRL circumstances that I don't want to talk about and given that I'm fine with helping you on your preferred killjoy lynch since i townread you but I think you should seriously reconsider that way of looking at the game
lw if every townie said 'oh i can only trust my own reads' then they all came to different conclusions scum would walk all over town every game because they could just support whichever townie on whichever day phase was wrong and that would end up being the lynch with no town coordination
well sure, there would be any progression if someone didn't sheep, but context matters, does it not? and maybe "trusting only my own reads" is a little extreme for me, I'm just a little reluctant, off the very little content we have so far
lw if every townie said 'oh i can only trust my own reads' then they all came to different conclusions scum would walk all over town every game because they could just support whichever townie on whichever day phase was wrong and that would end up being the lynch with no town coordination
well sure, there would be any progression if someone didn't sheep, but context matters, does it not? and maybe "trusting only my own reads" is a little extreme for me, I'm just a little reluctant, off the very little content we have so far
too much hedging? how bout you give me a solid opinion? My thoughts just come out, whether they are contradictions or even coherent, I dont double check my posts before I post them most of the time
Why does it feel like we arent aligned this game?
in a wisp-y way? does that mean something? but im hedgy right? so whats your real thoughts on me?
Tonally I think you are scum, I dont think you really believe much of the things you are posting... When you default to things like, "in a wisp-y way" it feels like a cop-out read.
What are your thoughts on Ruma's posts so far? from a perspective that isnt through me?
Sure then, but tbf it was kinda obvious your tone was joking.
good luck tonally reading Tom
Dude I already have - Even though Rad is acting crazy af right now I think he's Town, possibly because of that craziness. With the amount of posting he had early on it shows investment, and we've already established he's a new player. I don't think he'd be acting irrationally early on if he were scum. If it falls apart later, then he might be, but the signs suggest Town right now.
Although I haven't got the best read of you, I also think you're Town. Your enthusiasm and tone match with what I know as your Town game, and the mindset of your attitude toward Rum suggests Town to me. Although the conclusion is really bad, you're an experienced player so opinions such as that would be less likely to be said as scum. (This is due to the frequency at which pushing for a player that hasn't posted gets suspicion on the person.) Furthermore, by ruling out that out it is easy to say that you believe it, which means that it comes from a place that wants to make this game easier for Town.
To answer your second question, I don't know. That is up to you to figure out because I do not exactly have access to your mind's thoughts.
Wisp, you were reading my post incorrectly. I was saying that your thoughts on Rum looked like it made sense to you, but not necessarily to anyone else and it just feels like something you would write and think naturally.
Conclusion: I'm not saying that you're scummy, I'm saying that it's hard to discern what you're thinking solidly, if that makes sense.
Finally, Rum has posted twice. That's not enough to read off of and I already gave my thoughts to what he said on page 2: it sounds preach-y, like he genuinely believes it and wants others to abide by it. I had the same feeling off a Rad post on the same page. Those sorts of thoughts are often genuine, but can easily apply to either alignment so is not AI.
Wisp, Scarlet. I have questions for you in 89.
do try. It might help me figure out your alignment.
the train was rvs or at least started by Rhand, Tom voted you with a pun, I can say it really leads me in any direction... Story could change later on, based on if/when you get lynched or killed and flip, based on what you flip...
Rhand hasnt posted anything outside of that vote, so its impossible, well maybe not impossible in some cases, to have a read on him as of yet
Tom is a hard cookie to crack, and at the moment im getting town vibes
currently my PoE is as follows: Rhand, You, Scarlet and I kinda like it, obviously theres not 3 scum, but im confortable with it currently
Is this a serious vote?
more or less, I explained my thoughts, and voted where I thought was best, based only on meta
vote: Killjoy
tho im more interested to see what comes of this train starting up again
do try. It might help me figure out your alignment.
i think im good, and ill my best to project town, more so then I do most games, but im not going to personally help you read me...
TOM IS GOING TO COME BACK AND SMITE US ALL, SMITE US I SAY
so like if I say it's my read I mean me plural as in myself and/or parakeet
cowbells: You haven't done a lot to prove that. What's sc's scum game here? What's she done that makes her likely scum?
OHHHH Those were questions. I had no clue what it was on first readthrough so I just ignored it.
To appear Town I try to replicate my Town game. Sadly, I find it really difficult to question things and form opinions that are original unless I know for a fact it comes from scum, so I end up burying my scumbuddies instead. Has happened in all three of my most recent scum games, only one of which being in the last few months (Hydra Mafia: RIP Dias/Wisp).
I also think killjoy, has a decent amount of scum equity as well
could the team be Killjoy/Scarlet, 70% chance?
i need a rhand read to get a solid d1 poe
There isn't too much there that wasn't covered before or was overly thoughtful. Probably the best bits were him questioning you about Tom and Rhand and his opinion directed as Tom as both were the most original. Everything from the opinions section was either self-evident or already covered.
Like, it's really basic but most of it is starting points on myself, Rum and Rad as he hasn't played with any of us before. In that way, I expect the reads to be more basic and hence why I think the comments to you and Tom are better, perhaps, since he actually knows you.
In that way I think it's all logical starting points for someone who wants to start solving: both in respects to people he knows and people he doesn't. He cares about the questions since he pointed them out to yourself and I. It looks like someone who is logically thinking as to how to approach game-solving imo.
Wisp is considering me as scum if that makes you feel better.
if your partner isn't gonna bus i can't lynch you today
oh no one thinks I'm a wolf anymore I must be villa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-jdl9hcCeg
when did your read on Tom change?
Why do you think Killjoy is less likely scum than Tom?
And I'll ask again because you never said why but "Other than reasons related to the parakeet, why do you think I'm scum?"
this seems pretty silly
you ignore other townies reads because you've seen other townies bury town?
haven't you buried town before?
do you think that you are the person in this game who has the best reads?
so you think hes trying to solve the game? I think the very opposite, but I do like how hes not allowing his questions to go unanswered
and yes I will eventually start bouncing my reads off the people in my town core, but its still too early for that, maybe at one point Ill lock you as town and ill be more open to your thoughts
the problem is you have a combination of *****posting which I guess is nai, and the fact that your bouncing some of your reads off your parakeet, which is interesting to say the least
i refuse to vote anyone but SC because that's my pet read
you refuse to vote anyone but KJ because that's your pet read
let's say one other townie has a different pet read
100% of the time we end up lynching town today because the scum just piledrive whichever read is wrong (and at least 1 is guaranteed to be wrong)
if you have time, I suggest you look at the original token game, since me, killjoy, rumi, and tom were all in there, and all town
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/794257-token-power-mafia-game-over-sometimes-violence-is
this was an always wolf post
I think it's a start. There hasn't really been enough posts to say for definite that he is solving consistently yet.