KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Rhand will be checked when I wake up this morning and may be prodded.
one I didnt even start your train, it was started by an RVS vote via Rhand, secondly, if I flipped scum, you are comfortable enough to say even rhand is town, thats ******* bs and you know it
now im asking you again, when I flip town, if by some ungodly chance I get lynched, whats next?
in a Ruma/RC world does RC protect his partner hard after only garnering two votes? possible
in a world where scum is RC, does he hard defend a someone who is possibly a low hanging fruit/mislynch? again, possible, but ******* weird
in a world where RC is town, exactly why is he so confident in Ruma's alignment, or is it more so that he is confident enough in his scum reads? another question Idk the answer to
those are the thoughts going on in my mind
if he thinks im town, he shouldnt be too worried about me pushing agenda, and the fact that he took me hostage after only putting Ruma in L2, idk what the **** that was... How exactly do you plan to evaluate Ruma if we dont pressure him or ask him questions, and why exactly were you so worried that scum would ever hammer
@killjoy
since I asked you that question, I will answer it as well, if you flip town, I would look at your train, how people entered it, and Ruma, RC, and Rhand.
The problem I have with this train as of current is that one of the voters is still an RVS vote, and rhand would be a ***** to evaluate on that train if you flipped town, and overall lynching you with an RVS vote would make me feel disgusted, which was another reason why initially I was afraid of putting you into L1... but I come to realize that I am less worried that scum will hammer anyone this game
I do not subscribe to any of this "counterwagons in the Poe" bs. If one of them is scum then scum have the choice to have multiple lynches based on what they want, and if that means keeping their partner alive then it's a lot easier and less obvious than brute forcing s counterwagon on their own. I just want to kill scum today and then kill scum tomorrow and give them as few ways to exert control over the gamestate as possible.
You can give me ***** in post game if Rum is scum but if you're TvT like I suspect this is by far the best play and we should be lynching killjoy or rhand
actually rereading, I really like these set of posts
Rhand will be checked when I wake up this morning and may be prodded.
one I didnt even start your train, it was started by an RVS vote via Rhand, secondly, if I flipped scum, you are comfortable enough to say even rhand is town, thats ******* bs and you know it
now im asking you again, when I flip town, if by some ungodly chance I get lynched, whats next?
I never said Rhand was town. Rhand would not be town if you flipped town. Rhand has literally posted nothing.
To answer your question, if you flipped town I would reconsider my read on RC. ScarletCelestial really feels scum driven to me. Scarlet is an easy target and isn't really reacting the way I feel scum should react to the pressure.
People really need to get in here because half the game is question marks.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@killjoy
that was my bad on the rhand read, I read the wrong train, sorry about that
I have a question, at what point do you distinguish an easy target, from being just mafia?
Since you have an idea of how scum would act, care to explain how you feel they would act in this situation?
so gonna backpedal a little bit, how would you feel about Tom if I flipped town? cause you did say my wagon looked pure, but you also stated you would read Tom through everyone else?
half the game isn't a question mark when it's really only 2/7, which is approximately 30%
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
At this point I have two major points on Killjoy, neither good. In this I'll be covering only one of them: his treatment of me this game.
In the spoiler is everything he has said about me, or to me.
Scarlet: I vaguely recall seeing you around here in games, though I'm sure we've never played together. My question for you is this: As scum, what do you do to appear town?
Wisp, Scarlet. I have questions for you in 89.
Scarlet: Like I said before, I liked RC's isolated posts with relevence to him. However, I'm getting that tingly feeling I got in Zero Escape with DawningBluePhraze. The language feels... natural. Like that's just how she talks in general... not just as scum. Another feeling I'm having here is that, from a gameflow perspective, there's a bit of a dogpile on a bit of meat feeling. Like, she's an easy target and I think scum are all over that. I'm guessing there's a scum on that wagon.
Like... I can see a world where she can be scum. Maybe I'm wrong about my feeling re: her language. I just... don't think I am.
And how do you try to replicate it? Like, I guess what is your 'town game' then?
Also note: I kinda like the wagon on Last? In scum!Last land, I think this is an all town wagon.
Scarlets wagon doesn't feel like a town made wagon. It feels scum driven... scum on a townie. So does mine. The two commonalities between the two are you and RC.
It's not simply "because you're voting me."
Thank you. This is what I was looking for.
What do you think of the two prevelent wagons?
What town circle? It has like... One and a half people in it. Scarlet and kinda RC.
ScarletCelestial really feels scum driven to me. Scarlet is an easy target and isn't really reacting the way I feel scum should react to the pressure.
In the above I want to call attention to two things: the two times he specified why he Townread me, and the questions he asked. These are both issues in my opinion.
The questions he has asked has two major problems in my opinion. Firstly, they are very generalised. Unlike his questions to Wisp, he hasn't tried to look into my content, only my meta and only a few thoughts besides. Secondly, based on what he has said about me I don't think his thoughts are developed concerning myself, and what I have said has not been used to generate a read on me. (Which is better explained in the next paragraph.) In this way, I think he is only asking questions for the sake of asking questions.
The two times he Townread me (bolded) don't really have any changes at all concerning why he does it. The three reasons given are the following:
1. I am a scum driven wagon.
2. I sound natural.
3. I am an easy target.
If you read the bolded posts, it becomes much more evident that in the second one he only reiterated what he said before just more concisely. There is no change in why he thinks I'm Town, no changes in his thoughts. Lies are much less likely to change than natural thought and this is something that hasn't changed at all.
Finally, each of the numbered reasons. The only one I don't take issue with is #2 at this point.
#1 is a contingent thing. In the posts, I have coloured the relevant sentence red. There, he is saying that both our wagons seem scum driven, and is using it as a way to push Rad and Wisp. This makes me think that this point is more about his issues with Wisp than how he reads me independently.
#3 is not even really a reason why he should be calling me Town. It's like if I said "Wisp is an easy target so he must be Town" which would be very faulty logic to say that he is Town.
So, those are my issues.
*Votes in spirit I don't want to hammer*
(Also this is like the first time this game I have been majorly pinged without some sort of redeeming feature this game.)
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Killjoy's reasons for me being Town are stagnant and underdeveloped. The questions he asked have not really been used imo, and haven't really dealt with content from this game at all. His handling of me is really bad.
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This is my will, If I die, I die, I’m pretty spew cleared at this point… I would like to say RC is pretty spew cleared as well because of this post: To answer your question, if you flipped town, I would reconsider my read-on RC.
And the fact that RC actively sought Killjoy’s lynch, scum doesn’t need to do this, and I know RC probably has enough experience as scum to actively seek a lynch that isn’t his own partner… also lets not forgot that he held me hostage… until I went back to killjoy
Next is Tom, Im more inclined to believe in this situation, scum would hammer scum, and that was a scummy hammer, maybe not from the likes of Tom, but it’s a thought that is on the back of my mind…
Scarlet is next… She made a big post right before the lynch… but she didn’t hammer, she could’ve, but didn’t. Its hard to say if shes scum with him, but its always a possibility, but as of right now im more inclined to believe he just tmi’d her town… that is if it wasn’t for the fact that I know Scarlet is happy burying her partner… idk man
That leaves Riku and Rhand, Rhand is a big ******* zero at this point, and I definitely need something from him today… and Riku, hes probably just town… I am still trying to figure out if his post after the hammer was some sort of distance or not…
The Poe that I would like to believe, is Tom/Rhand, but the actual PoE is still everyone minus me and RC… I need to hear everyone’s thoughts on the matter
the top line is for humor's sake, im gunna post this and go back to RE 2, RC is town btw, also so am I
you are probably alive cause of me, hard to say, since there are several ways the night kill could've been stopped, not gunna claim my role as of yet incase of the claim vigi being a possible thing... bodyguard, Apportioner, perfect rolestopper, so many choices
also if anyone suggests that Mafia holstered, you are thinking with the wrong mindset, and they are playing bad
Wait scum get access to both halves of their token?
yes, they share tokens, hence why we didnt his role flip, because he technically doesnt have a role, since they share the tokens... if a town were to die tho, their role would be revealed
Not sure why we would massclaim today dont see any benefit were doing great
it doesnt do much in terms of solving, but RC is locked town, and he claimed desperado, so we dont need to worry about the claim vigi, and secondly, if riku isnt lying, he was roleblocked, by the rolestopper and that token is gone now as well...
Not sure why we would massclaim today dont see any benefit were doing great
it doesnt do much in terms of solving, but RC is locked town, and he claimed desperado, so we dont need to worry about the claim vigi, and secondly, if riku isnt lying, he was roleblocked, by the rolestopper and that token is gone now as well...
idk about lock, but those both fine points i suppose
With the discarded token, and the extremely well designed tokens (miller/framer and desperado/claimvig was my handiwork lol) we dont get the info from claiming really. Like, the last scum has 3 claims to choose from lol
one I didnt even start your train, it was started by an RVS vote via Rhand, secondly, if I flipped scum, you are comfortable enough to say even rhand is town, thats ******* bs and you know it
now im asking you again, when I flip town, if by some ungodly chance I get lynched, whats next?
in a world where scum is RC, does he hard defend a someone who is possibly a low hanging fruit/mislynch? again, possible, but ******* weird
in a world where RC is town, exactly why is he so confident in Ruma's alignment, or is it more so that he is confident enough in his scum reads? another question Idk the answer to
those are the thoughts going on in my mind
if he thinks im town, he shouldnt be too worried about me pushing agenda, and the fact that he took me hostage after only putting Ruma in L2, idk what the **** that was... How exactly do you plan to evaluate Ruma if we dont pressure him or ask him questions, and why exactly were you so worried that scum would ever hammer
since I asked you that question, I will answer it as well, if you flip town, I would look at your train, how people entered it, and Ruma, RC, and Rhand.
The problem I have with this train as of current is that one of the voters is still an RVS vote, and rhand would be a ***** to evaluate on that train if you flipped town, and overall lynching you with an RVS vote would make me feel disgusted, which was another reason why initially I was afraid of putting you into L1... but I come to realize that I am less worried that scum will hammer anyone this game
and in my upper post, im gunna go with choice 3
also I feel saying a stagnant wagon is a town lynch most of the time, isnt always true...
To answer your question, if you flipped town I would reconsider my read on RC. ScarletCelestial really feels scum driven to me. Scarlet is an easy target and isn't really reacting the way I feel scum should react to the pressure.
People really need to get in here because half the game is question marks.
that was my bad on the rhand read, I read the wrong train, sorry about that
I have a question, at what point do you distinguish an easy target, from being just mafia?
Since you have an idea of how scum would act, care to explain how you feel they would act in this situation?
so gonna backpedal a little bit, how would you feel about Tom if I flipped town? cause you did say my wagon looked pure, but you also stated you would read Tom through everyone else?
half the game isn't a question mark when it's really only 2/7, which is approximately 30%
That's why I said most of the time. Plus, I mean if the the top wagon is stagnant, not any other wagon.
Scum I'd assume would be more defensive, maybe push back, maybe try to deflect. Scarlet feels more like she's taking it in stride.
Scarlet isn't reacting to the pressure in the way of expect Mafia of her experience to act. It's gut, but it's like strong gut.
Re:Tom: if you recall I also said I didn't think Tom and you were scum together.
In the spoiler is everything he has said about me, or to me.
In the above I want to call attention to two things: the two times he specified why he Townread me, and the questions he asked. These are both issues in my opinion.
The questions he has asked has two major problems in my opinion. Firstly, they are very generalised. Unlike his questions to Wisp, he hasn't tried to look into my content, only my meta and only a few thoughts besides. Secondly, based on what he has said about me I don't think his thoughts are developed concerning myself, and what I have said has not been used to generate a read on me. (Which is better explained in the next paragraph.) In this way, I think he is only asking questions for the sake of asking questions.
The two times he Townread me (bolded) don't really have any changes at all concerning why he does it. The three reasons given are the following:
1. I am a scum driven wagon.
2. I sound natural.
3. I am an easy target.
If you read the bolded posts, it becomes much more evident that in the second one he only reiterated what he said before just more concisely. There is no change in why he thinks I'm Town, no changes in his thoughts. Lies are much less likely to change than natural thought and this is something that hasn't changed at all.
Finally, each of the numbered reasons. The only one I don't take issue with is #2 at this point.
#1 is a contingent thing. In the posts, I have coloured the relevant sentence red. There, he is saying that both our wagons seem scum driven, and is using it as a way to push Rad and Wisp. This makes me think that this point is more about his issues with Wisp than how he reads me independently.
#3 is not even really a reason why he should be calling me Town. It's like if I said "Wisp is an easy target so he must be Town" which would be very faulty logic to say that he is Town.
So, those are my issues.
*Votes in spirit I don't want to hammer*
(Also this is like the first time this game I have been majorly pinged without some sort of redeeming feature this game.)
Killjoy's reasons for me being Town are stagnant and underdeveloped. The questions he asked have not really been used imo, and haven't really dealt with content from this game at all. His handling of me is really bad.
But also
vote killjoy
Bye
Killjoy (4) - Rhand, Lastwhisper, RadiantCowbells, tomsloger
ScarletCelestial (1) - Rumanshi
Lastwhisper (1) - Killjoy
Not Voting: ScarletCelestial
Killjoy has been lynched. Stand by for lynch scene.
Killjoy was... SCUM
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the top line is for humor's sake, im gunna post this and go back to RE 2, RC is town btw, also so am I
also if anyone suggests that Mafia holstered, you are thinking with the wrong mindset, and they are playing bad
Holstered for obvious reasons
Massclaim here, I'm going to act tonight if we haven't already won
I would like to set claim order so hold off on claiming until I have set an order
Still havent actually
And you ought to know i dont vote buddies, so...
How is it scummy?
Still not seeing a reason TO claim though
Even 1 inno makes this autowin fmpov
With the discarded token, and the extremely well designed tokens (miller/framer and desperado/claimvig was my handiwork lol) we dont get the info from claiming really. Like, the last scum has 3 claims to choose from lol
You're second in the Poe rn so if you want to fight it we'll get your claim from your flip
I havent voted a buddy in literally a year
Maybe your POE i guess
Did it make me town?
Wanna say kjs last/ruma agenda was just v/v anyway though.