I told myself I was gonna cool it down this game, to prevent myself from being wishy-washy like I was in a lot of my past games.
@Scarlet
you say I'm being hedgy with you, the reason is a meta, which is why sometimes I wish meta wasn't a thing... The way you are playing this game is very typical of your town game, but I can't overlook the posts, that I've noticed, and the ones that RC has highlighted, so forgive me for my paranoia
@Killjoy
Day 1 its probably hard for you to evaluate a world where I am town, and PoE is PoE as I always say, and its very convenient to just go with, "well he's voting me so he's probably scum,"
Maybe it's my bias because I never really liked your style of game solving and always thought you come off a little scummy...
The fact that you are not letting your questions go unanswered makes me feel a little better about you for the most part
You asked me why I didn't vote you till RC brung it up? It was not because I forgot, it was just my way of adamantly proving that I still would be ok with your lynch
Why do I think for the most part you aren't game-solving? It's because outside of the fact that you are actually seeking out the answers to your questions, I feel like most of the content is just there, but it really isn't doing anything? if that makes sense
Also, let me go back to my "interesting" post... I see you are still trying to find some deeper meaning in it, if you want my real thoughts, looking back, I think Rhands entrance was meh, and Toms vote was just kinda a thing, and nai at best
@RC
I like his thoughts so far, his reads don't feel fake or forced, but I have yet to play with him, so I'm more inclined to be a little afraid of his scum game. I think his re-evaluation of Scarlet was very towny because it would be very easy to bury Scarlet off her first few posts alone...
@Tom
like I said he is just Tom, he could still easily go either way, his comment "why shouldn't I hammer you right now" came off as really pure to me, something I probably wouldn't see any scum doing, but this is Tom, he doesn't give a ****, I've seen him hammer poorly as both scum and town, so ya
So this leaves Rumanashi and Rhand
I'm going to unvote here, because my PoE is starting to drip down to them, unvote, and since we still have several days, I definitely want to hear more from them, Rhands most recent post, is literally a typical scum post, "sorry was busy, will catch up later"
@Scarlet
Curious, why is your vote still on me?
also can you go back and answer my question? Why did you mention possible town between me/you/rum, why did rumanshi come into the picture?
@Scarlet
Curious, why is your vote still on me?
also can you go back and answer my question? Why did you mention possible town between me/you/rum, why did rumanshi come into the picture?
1. Uh... because I never unvoted you and completely forgot?
Unvote
My pool is basically Killjoy/Tom/Rhand/Rum with Tom having half a foot out of it so really I need stuff from Rhand and Rum too.
2. I already answered it. I said Rum but meant Rad, I didn't catch the typo.
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
I am more confident in my being able to have him brought to endgame than you so I'd rather see you lynched since if we lynch rums and he flips town you still end up getting lynched
I do not subscribe to any of this "counterwagons in the Poe" bs. If one of them is scum then scum have the choice to have multiple lynches based on what they want, and if that means keeping their partner alive then it's a lot easier and less obvious than brute forcing s counterwagon on their own. I just want to kill scum today and then kill scum tomorrow and give them as few ways to exert control over the gamestate as possible.
You can give me ***** in post game if Rum is scum but if you're TvT like I suspect this is by far the best play and we should be lynching killjoy or rhand
I don't like you bonucing your town read on ruma off your parakeet, or the fact that you just put me below him, or the fact that you are holding me hostage right now, if you are actually town, you just went hella down my lean list for this BS...
Looks like you ruined what I was trying to do so might as well say it:
As you said before, it encourages scum to vote away from scum, and since it's Day 1 bussing is less likely to occur. By seeing how votes are moved then it would be much easier for me to decide which wagon to avoid altogether. Also, by putting two possible scum against each other it directs the conversation onto the topic of their alignment, and could potentially make them converse more which is kinda needed in this game state since there is so little for me to go off of on over half the players.
Finally, if one wagon gets higher and stays stagnant for a long while it would mean that it would have a 90% chance of being Town, as it would mean scum would not care enough about it to argue away from it.
This is why I like putting two wagons against each other when tied, but you moving your vote means that it would not have any additional benefit, and may even be counter productive for a number of reasons. Firstly, your unwillingness to let my plan occur for a while means that it put Wisp up to three votes: it means the conversation ends up back on Wisp (which we have already discussed), the conversation leads to yourself and yet again we do not get the conversation focused solely on those outside of us three. Furthermore, since I think Wisp is Town that would mean it could even lead to less engagement as scum would be happy with the vote. Ergo:
Unvote
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
I've linked a few Town games of mine from the previous page, and said what my Town game is before, but just to reiterate: my Town game consists of me trying to solve the game through the methods of questioning and commenting, though it can include trying to do OK VCA and looking at interactions from Day 2 onward (I think it's also one of the reasons I look Townier Day 2 onward, I can actually start using the wide array of tools available to me). As Town, this means that I can be much more insightful than I am as scum, because as scum I can only really scum read my scumbuddies unless someone else is SUPER scummy.
My style and type of questions I ask vary wildly, as does my participation if I can't keep up so neither of those are AI for me. It's more about trying to work out if I look like I'm thinking or not, which is not too difficult, and as I said before there is a massive tonal gap as a result.
@Killjoy
Day 1 its probably hard for you to evaluate a world where I am town, and PoE is PoE as I always say, and its very convenient to just go with, "well he's voting me so he's probably scum,"
Maybe it's my bias because I never really liked your style of game solving and always thought you come off a little scummy...
The fact that you are not letting your questions go unanswered makes me feel a little better about you for the most part
You asked me why I didn't vote you till RC brung it up? It was not because I forgot, it was just my way of adamantly proving that I still would be ok with your lynch
Why do I think for the most part you aren't game-solving? It's because outside of the fact that you are actually seeking out the answers to your questions, I feel like most of the content is just there, but it really isn't doing anything? if that makes sense
Also, let me go back to my "interesting" post... I see you are still trying to find some deeper meaning in it, if you want my real thoughts, looking back, I think Rhands entrance was meh, and Toms vote was just kinda a thing, and nai at best
Dude. That's not why I'm voting you. Are you reading my posts?
Scarlets wagon doesn't feel like a town made wagon. It feels scum driven... scum on a townie. So does mine. The two commonalities between the two are you and RC.
It's not simply "because you're voting me."
And what do you mean by "the content is out there?"
Anyone who knows: Is there some other site meta where votes bounce around this much with no reason? Because its scummy as ***** and I don't understand it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Killjoy
Scum driven how? How many scum have you seen that drive wagons on day 1? I'm not one to park my vote and wait for ***** to happen... I mean ur content is just there but it doesn't feel like it accomplishes anything
So you think both your wagon and Scarlet's wagon, were driven by scum and that scum is me? Well guess also RC... Uggh
Anyways I'll be home in a bit
Somehow I feel like you are too confortable with your town circle...
Could've just called it a self pres vote, but you had to put this nonsense on it
@Scarlet
you say I'm being hedgy with you, the reason is a meta, which is why sometimes I wish meta wasn't a thing... The way you are playing this game is very typical of your town game, but I can't overlook the posts, that I've noticed, and the ones that RC has highlighted, so forgive me for my paranoia
@Killjoy
Day 1 its probably hard for you to evaluate a world where I am town, and PoE is PoE as I always say, and its very convenient to just go with, "well he's voting me so he's probably scum,"
Maybe it's my bias because I never really liked your style of game solving and always thought you come off a little scummy...
The fact that you are not letting your questions go unanswered makes me feel a little better about you for the most part
You asked me why I didn't vote you till RC brung it up? It was not because I forgot, it was just my way of adamantly proving that I still would be ok with your lynch
Why do I think for the most part you aren't game-solving? It's because outside of the fact that you are actually seeking out the answers to your questions, I feel like most of the content is just there, but it really isn't doing anything? if that makes sense
Also, let me go back to my "interesting" post... I see you are still trying to find some deeper meaning in it, if you want my real thoughts, looking back, I think Rhands entrance was meh, and Toms vote was just kinda a thing, and nai at best
@RC
I like his thoughts so far, his reads don't feel fake or forced, but I have yet to play with him, so I'm more inclined to be a little afraid of his scum game. I think his re-evaluation of Scarlet was very towny because it would be very easy to bury Scarlet off her first few posts alone...
@Tom
like I said he is just Tom, he could still easily go either way, his comment "why shouldn't I hammer you right now" came off as really pure to me, something I probably wouldn't see any scum doing, but this is Tom, he doesn't give a ****, I've seen him hammer poorly as both scum and town, so ya
So this leaves Rumanashi and Rhand
I'm going to unvote here, because my PoE is starting to drip down to them, unvote, and since we still have several days, I definitely want to hear more from them, Rhands most recent post, is literally a typical scum post, "sorry was busy, will catch up later"
so its more clearly visible
I did like your statement on how you are going to evaluate Tom
I'm tentatively down to kill Rhand though
Curious, why is your vote still on me?
also can you go back and answer my question? Why did you mention possible town between me/you/rum, why did rumanshi come into the picture?
If wisp is a villa read and is at L1 why haven't you changed your vote
1. Uh... because I never unvoted you and completely forgot?
Unvote
My pool is basically Killjoy/Tom/Rhand/Rum with Tom having half a foot out of it so really I need stuff from Rhand and Rum too.
2. I already answered it. I said Rum but meant Rad, I didn't catch the typo.
lets start this train back up in the meantime
FOR SCIENCE
If Scarlet comes back to killjoy and you refuse I guess she'll just have to be my only friend.
...Sorry, ex-friend.
(Serious version: I like having competing wagons within the PoE and my vote wasn't placed on anyone, hence my vote on Rum.)
I don't like this at all and I think 'competing wagons' just makes it easier for scum to make sure the other scum don't get lynched
(I have a plan for competing wagons that I tend to use)
If ruma hits L1 I will unvote
Also, I don't think scum would hammer in this game
Killjoy (2) - Rhand, RadiantCowbells
Lastwhisper (2) - tomsloger, Killjoy
Rumanshi (2) - Lastwhisper, ScarletCelestial
ScarletCelestial (1) - Rumanshi
Not Voting:
Lastwhisper - 1418 MST, 1/21
RadiantCowbells - 1409 MST, 1/21
Rhand - 0448 MST, 1/19
Rumanshi - 2316 MST, 1/19
ScarletCelestial - 1415 MST, 1/21
tomsloger - 0100 MST, 1/21
Check done at 1419 MST on 1/21.
Rhand has been prodded.
vote wisp
I am more confident in my being able to have him brought to endgame than you so I'd rather see you lynched since if we lynch rums and he flips town you still end up getting lynched
Now we are back to square one
I don't like you bonucing your town read on ruma off your parakeet, or the fact that you just put me below him, or the fact that you are holding me hostage right now, if you are actually town, you just went hella down my lean list for this BS...
Ruma is never making it to lylo...
As you said before, it encourages scum to vote away from scum, and since it's Day 1 bussing is less likely to occur. By seeing how votes are moved then it would be much easier for me to decide which wagon to avoid altogether. Also, by putting two possible scum against each other it directs the conversation onto the topic of their alignment, and could potentially make them converse more which is kinda needed in this game state since there is so little for me to go off of on over half the players.
Finally, if one wagon gets higher and stays stagnant for a long while it would mean that it would have a 90% chance of being Town, as it would mean scum would not care enough about it to argue away from it.
This is why I like putting two wagons against each other when tied, but you moving your vote means that it would not have any additional benefit, and may even be counter productive for a number of reasons. Firstly, your unwillingness to let my plan occur for a while means that it put Wisp up to three votes: it means the conversation ends up back on Wisp (which we have already discussed), the conversation leads to yourself and yet again we do not get the conversation focused solely on those outside of us three. Furthermore, since I think Wisp is Town that would mean it could even lead to less engagement as scum would be happy with the vote. Ergo:
Unvote
What do you think of the two prevelent wagons?
Self preservation isn't really a thing here. That's a different site meta.
Also, its not nonsense. Stop trying to discredit me.
Dude. That's not why I'm voting you. Are you reading my posts?
Scarlets wagon doesn't feel like a town made wagon. It feels scum driven... scum on a townie. So does mine. The two commonalities between the two are you and RC.
It's not simply "because you're voting me."
And what do you mean by "the content is out there?"
Anyone who knows: Is there some other site meta where votes bounce around this much with no reason? Because its scummy as ***** and I don't understand it.
The distance in your eyes
I know I said too much
I set it up
That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight
Losing my religion
Scum driven how? How many scum have you seen that drive wagons on day 1? I'm not one to park my vote and wait for ***** to happen... I mean ur content is just there but it doesn't feel like it accomplishes anything
So you think both your wagon and Scarlet's wagon, were driven by scum and that scum is me? Well guess also RC... Uggh
Anyways I'll be home in a bit
Somehow I feel like you are too confortable with your town circle...