eco and GJ probably strongest town reads currently
i don't think lngr and cantrip are scum together, and independently i tend to think wolves care more about perception, and are less likely to blatantly fish the way he did
basically, i think a wolf knows how bad it'll look and shies away from doing that, where a villager sees no real reason to hide their curiosity about the setup, especially if their own role indicates there could be things at play
it's not how i play, or would play, but i think it's actually something that comes from town a lot more than scum in this situation, despite how pro-scum it seems to be
Shadow scummy for thinking feistiness is AI for cantrip
I mean, technically I said the feistiness could go either way, but I like this incarnation of Tom.To answer the overarching question of “why?”:
I claimed when I did because I wanted to draw that attention onto me and me alone, rather than let scum read into multiple people continuing to engage and determine PRs.
I agree though, it’s time to move to a different topic.
eco and GJ probably strongest town reads currently
i don't think lngr and cantrip are scum together, and independently i tend to think wolves care more about perception, and are less likely to blatantly fish the way he did
basically, i think a wolf knows how bad it'll look and shies away from doing that, where a villager sees no real reason to hide their curiosity about the setup, especially if their own role indicates there could be things at play
it's not how i play, or would play, but i think it's actually something that comes from town a lot more than scum in this situation, despite how pro-scum it seems to be
this is scummy tmi if lngrr is town
Disagree. Yours and shadow's Riku townreads are much more likely to be TMI. Anyone can fart out something resembling their town meta on page one, and the bar is set kinda low for Ruma.
It is for me too, but we won't talk about that.
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shadow, why did it take you several pages to ask Cheesehead if he was someone you recognized from MU? I don't get the progression from "I was planning on RVS'ing him" and "hey, do I recognize you?"
Screw it, I’ve basically already declared it, and it will be better to have at one person say diffinitively than multiple people cryptic about it:
I am Vanilla Town. That’s how I know there are Vanilla Town.
Did you really do this in response to someone you think is scum fishing for PRs? The odds of me believing that are hovering in the single digits, so answer carefully.
@Vaimes: it wasn’t for LNG’s benefit that I claimed. You should go ahead and elaborate on your read of me now. Also, kinda buy the tstbs argument for lng.
Making a comment about voting Eco but not doing it looked self-conscious, the townread on Riku felt incredibly TMI, the VT claim looked like bravado, "I have a towntell for you" reads more like a scum thing than an actual town thought, you voted Lngr for a superficially scummy thing rather than believing he is on the mafia team.
@Vaimes: it wasn’t for LNG’s benefit that I claimed. You should go ahead and elaborate on your read of me now. Also, kinda buy the tstbs argument for lng.
what are your thoughts on tom, particularly the shtick where he's just calling literally everyone scummy?
is this him being town and just having fun with it, or is it him being a wolf and using it to kind of fling out suspicion in a wide range to see if anything sticks
because as someone that sort of knows of him doing gimmicky stuff, it's kind of trending obnoxious
Making a comment about voting Eco but not doing it looked self-conscious, the townread on Riku felt incredibly TMI, the VT claim looked like bravado, "I have a towntell for you" reads more like a scum thing than an actual town thought, you voted Lngr for a superficially scummy thing rather than believing he is on the mafia team.
I really wanted to vote for cheesecake. Do you actually think I would be self conscious? Really?
Ruma was actually posting, and I am confident in my ability to catch him as scum.
It was a bit bravado, but that’s not the reason I did it.
I voted lng because his response to Cantrip was awful, and still a pretty darn good reason I have him as low as I do.
@Vaimes: it wasn’t for LNG’s benefit that I claimed. You should go ahead and elaborate on your read of me now. Also, kinda buy the tstbs argument for lng.
what are your thoughts on tom, particularly the shtick where he's just calling literally everyone scummy?
is this him being town and just having fun with it, or is it him being a wolf and using it to kind of fling out suspicion in a wide range to see if anything sticks
because as someone that sort of knows of him doing gimmicky stuff, it's kind of trending obnoxious
I give you permission to vig him at your earliest convenience.
Some of his gimmicks come across as town, but this one is definitely more obfuscating than I'd like.
I feel like if Cantrip were actually town, he'd be the leading wagon by now.
It would be way too easy to ride the "he's trying to imitate town posting!!" wave all the way to a hammer.
Just sort of a vague "who would the scumteam feel most comfortable/safe pushing right now?" feeling.
vaimes scum for thinking this while also thinking lngrr is mislynch bait
In a vacuum, I'd expect scum to come across sounding awkward trying to force themselves into a town mindset over coming out with "hey guys tell me your roles!" in broad daylight.
Making a comment about voting Eco but not doing it looked self-conscious, the townread on Riku felt incredibly TMI, the VT claim looked like bravado, "I have a towntell for you" reads more like a scum thing than an actual town thought, you voted Lngr for a superficially scummy thing rather than believing he is on the mafia team.
I really wanted to vote for cheesecake. Do you actually think I would be self conscious? Really?
Ruma was actually posting, and I am confident in my ability to catch him as scum.
It was a bit bravado, but that’s not the reason I did it.
I voted lng because his response to Cantrip was awful, and still a pretty darn good reason I have him as low as I do.
i'm sure YOU are having fun regardless of your alignment, but it's not much fun for people trying to play the game and generate reads, ya feel
scum because how is that different from when i play without a gimmick
i've played with you before, you're perfectly enjoyable to play with and able to express thoughts and opinions when playing it straight, trying to say you're like this all the time is just super false
Making a comment about voting Eco but not doing it looked self-conscious, the townread on Riku felt incredibly TMI, the VT claim looked like bravado, "I have a towntell for you" reads more like a scum thing than an actual town thought, you voted Lngr for a superficially scummy thing rather than believing he is on the mafia team.
I really wanted to vote for cheesecake. Do you actually think I would be self conscious? Really?
Ruma was actually posting, and I am confident in my ability to catch him as scum.
It was a bit bravado, but that’s not the reason I did it.
I voted lng because his response to Cantrip was awful, and still a pretty darn good reason I have him as low as I do.
That is so not the same thing.
No, but him actually posting is townie for him. We’ll see if he actually keeps it up, but I don’t think me calling him possibly town is something I’d do that early as scum. I’d take pleasure in trying to get rid of him via lynch.
No, but him actually posting is townie for him. We’ll see if he actually keeps it up, but I don’t think me calling him possibly town is something I’d do that early as scum. I’d take pleasure in trying to get rid of him via lynch.
It's still a ridiculous read, unless scum!Riku is the type to trip over his own role PM on page one.
@Vaimes: Scum Ruma doesn’t engage. Him immediately picking at Tom was a good look. And following up for several posts made him look more likely town. My initial post about him was also pretty mild. Call it ridiculous all you want, but it’s a read I think I can make.
Talk to me about Cantrip, how well do you think you can actually read him in general?
@Vaimes: Scum Ruma doesn’t engage. Him immediately picking at Tom was a good look. And following up for several posts made him look more likely town. My initial post about him was also pretty mild. Call it ridiculous all you want, but it’s a read I think I can make.
Talk to me about Cantrip, how well do you think you can actually read him in general?
I can only remember one game I played with him, Dark and Stormy Night or Overwatch, one of those. He posted like a regular person. Other than that, I have no real basis for how to evaluate him personally. I don't even remember what my read was on him in that game, or what his alignment was.
Does Shadow have any history of claiming vt as scum? It feels very un-him.
Also, I don’t think scum!Shadow would tie himself to a vt claim early D1 ever.
@tom: why are you so sure I’m choosing wrong in Cantrip / Shadow? (and that there’s scum in those 2?)
Cantrip/tom/? is where I’m at now.
@Cheesecake: You telling me that I shouldn’t townread you for the reason I did makes you even townier for me. scum would just take the townread and move on.
@Eco, regarding scumtells that aren't really tells, I'm guessing you think, "Voting someone who isn't in the game during RVS" falls in the same category?
I wouldn't say it falls into the same buzzwordy category, but that one relies on context - are they doing it to avoid engaging, or do they think it might go somewhere?
@tom: why are you so sure I’m choosing wrong in Cantrip / Shadow? (and that there’s scum in those 2?)
rhand scum for thinking im sure of anything
actually thinking about this while driving and i dont want this to just be the reflexive snippy comment it was at the time
Rhand scum for picking one thing from my entire iso of calling people scum and deciding im serious about that one to push me for it. And its actually worse than that it isnt even a push its a question in the same post as calling me and cantrip his scumteam *like he doesnt want an uninfluenced answer*
@tom: why are you so sure I’m choosing wrong in Cantrip / Shadow? (and that there’s scum in those 2?)
rhand scum for thinking im sure of anything
actually thinking about this while driving and i dont want this to just be the reflexive snippy comment it was at the time
Rhand scum for picking one thing from my entire iso of calling people scum and deciding im serious about that one to push me for it. And its actually worse than that it isnt even a push its a question in the same post as calling me and cantrip his scumteam *like he doesnt want an uninfluenced answer*
vote: rhand
Yeh I somehow totally missed that you were doing that until I saw that post I quoted.
Anyways, I like your gimmicks in general, but this one is going to be a distraction for us. If you're town that is. If you're scum, you should totally keep on posting like scum.
Rhand scum for going directly from not knowing i was gimmicking to being distracted by it, because thats just how scum treat gimmicking town, especially when they see other people saying that sort of thing.
And frankly dont think thats a fair assessment anyway i know i annoy people but im clearly already getting the hang of imparting my opinions through it. And i dont think its that hard to find my 2 actual scumreads or my 3.5 townreads by looking at my posts (though perhaps im wrong on that, but we'll never know unless someone tries)
I was getting a “tom has too many scum reads” idea, but wasn’t paying enough attention to your posts to notice you were calling everyone scum.
The post to me just stood out because I didn’t get how you can be so sure Shadow is scum and Cantrip is not.
It’s hard to get your true meanings out of those posts. That particular one sounded very confident.
And calling everyone scum will put you on everyone’s radar, which is why this particular gimmick is distracting.
I was getting a “tom has too many scum reads” idea, but wasn’t paying enough attention to your posts to notice you were calling everyone scum.
The post to me just stood out because I didn’t get how you can be so sure Shadow is scum and Cantrip is not.
It’s hard to get your true meanings out of those posts. That particular one sounded very confident.
And calling everyone scum will put you on everyone’s radar, which is why this particular gimmick is distracting.
Actually, I'm not finding it hard at all to get a pretty strong sense of where Tom's at with his posts. Beyond being absolutely hilarious, he's making some really solid observations, and I'm surprised that you're attacking him for this.
A little concerned that Riku dropped off completely then popped in with the post I quote above...
@Riku: Thoughts on Shadow's VT self-outting? LnG: Is he town or is he scum? How's your Vaimes-dar...I feel like he's sorta more bristly and/or cranky than usual. Do you agree? If so, does that make him more likely to be scum or less?
And where's Azrael?
Activate Sleeper Agent: Azrael
I have an unusually extremely busy day ahead of me, so won't be able to repeat yesterday's marathon, much as I'd love to.
@Rhand: I claimed VT in bare bones, but that was my first scum game here. I don’t remember claiming VT as scum otherwise, but couldn’t tell you definitively.
@eco: Are you officially past the point of engaging with me, just asking the thread ethereally about my motivation for posts I make?
To answer the overarching question of “why?”:
I claimed when I did because I wanted to draw that attention onto me and me alone, rather than let scum read into multiple people continuing to engage and determine PRs.
I agree though, it’s time to move to a different topic.
It is for me too, but we won't talk about that.
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shadow, why did it take you several pages to ask Cheesehead if he was someone you recognized from MU? I don't get the progression from "I was planning on RVS'ing him" and "hey, do I recognize you?"
Cheesepuff, Lngr, Eco
names
Cantrip?
shadow
Cantrip has me a bit kerfluffled, but I'm only just now starting page three.
Maybe this does mean GJ is town.
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Also, I don't know whether to laugh or fall over @ Lngr.
"How do you know there are vanillas in the setup???" like
Dude's just town. Did you really do this in response to someone you think is scum fishing for PRs? The odds of me believing that are hovering in the single digits, so answer carefully.
It would be way too easy to ride the "he's trying to imitate town posting!!" wave all the way to a hammer.
Just sort of a vague "who would the scumteam feel most comfortable/safe pushing right now?" feeling.
Watch yourselves.
what are your thoughts on tom, particularly the shtick where he's just calling literally everyone scummy?
is this him being town and just having fun with it, or is it him being a wolf and using it to kind of fling out suspicion in a wide range to see if anything sticks
because as someone that sort of knows of him doing gimmicky stuff, it's kind of trending obnoxious
Ruma was actually posting, and I am confident in my ability to catch him as scum.
It was a bit bravado, but that’s not the reason I did it.
I voted lng because his response to Cantrip was awful, and still a pretty darn good reason I have him as low as I do. yup
Some of his gimmicks come across as town, but this one is definitely more obfuscating than I'd like.
town role pm
moi
decently strong town reads
eco
vaimes
probably town
gj
lgngrgrngrgnr
light town reads
highroller
rumanshi
rhand
**** if i know, claiming vt 1/10th of way into d1 is dumb
shadow
null zone but there's a lot of people i think are town so maybe wolf
azrael
feels more like trying to hide real thoughts than express real thoughts through shtick
tom
possibly a wolf
cantrip
i've played with you before, you're perfectly enjoyable to play with and able to express thoughts and opinions when playing it straight, trying to say you're like this all the time is just super false
As for your wine, okay.
Talk to me about Cantrip, how well do you think you can actually read him in general?
**** off. That was an obvious jab at 'If you push your townread, you're scum'.
Also, I don’t think scum!Shadow would tie himself to a vt claim early D1 ever.
@tom: why are you so sure I’m choosing wrong in Cantrip / Shadow? (and that there’s scum in those 2?)
Cantrip/tom/? is where I’m at now.
@Cheesecake: You telling me that I shouldn’t townread you for the reason I did makes you even townier for me. scum would just take the townread and move on.
I wouldn't say it falls into the same buzzwordy category, but that one relies on context - are they doing it to avoid engaging, or do they think it might go somewhere?
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you
tom scum for not having called himself scum
Rhand scum for picking one thing from my entire iso of calling people scum and deciding im serious about that one to push me for it. And its actually worse than that it isnt even a push its a question in the same post as calling me and cantrip his scumteam *like he doesnt want an uninfluenced answer*
vote: rhand
Im sure ill make a post i think is scummy eventually
Yeh I somehow totally missed that you were doing that until I saw that post I quoted.
Anyways, I like your gimmicks in general, but this one is going to be a distraction for us. If you're town that is. If you're scum, you should totally keep on posting like scum.
And frankly dont think thats a fair assessment anyway i know i annoy people but im clearly already getting the hang of imparting my opinions through it. And i dont think its that hard to find my 2 actual scumreads or my 3.5 townreads by looking at my posts (though perhaps im wrong on that, but we'll never know unless someone tries)
The post to me just stood out because I didn’t get how you can be so sure Shadow is scum and Cantrip is not.
It’s hard to get your true meanings out of those posts. That particular one sounded very confident.
And calling everyone scum will put you on everyone’s radar, which is why this particular gimmick is distracting.
Actually, I'm not finding it hard at all to get a pretty strong sense of where Tom's at with his posts. Beyond being absolutely hilarious, he's making some really solid observations, and I'm surprised that you're attacking him for this.
A little concerned that Riku dropped off completely then popped in with the post I quote above...
@Riku: Thoughts on Shadow's VT self-outting? LnG: Is he town or is he scum? How's your Vaimes-dar...I feel like he's sorta more bristly and/or cranky than usual. Do you agree? If so, does that make him more likely to be scum or less?
And where's Azrael?
Activate Sleeper Agent: Azrael
I have an unusually extremely busy day ahead of me, so won't be able to repeat yesterday's marathon, much as I'd love to.
Quasi-V/LA until tomorrow.
@eco: Are you officially past the point of engaging with me, just asking the thread ethereally about my motivation for posts I make?
Because context.