Tom scum for seeing no benefit at all to claiming right now.
Ill either be killed and my legacy/results will be quite clear, or ill be alive tomorrow when its actually time to figure things out and share info.
Tom scum for seeing no benefit at all to claiming right now.
Ill either be killed and my legacy/results will be quite clear, or ill be alive tomorrow when its actually time to figure things out and share info.
Why toMorrow and not now?
And why do you think that you can give us a POE of 2 that we’ll blindly accept?
Why lngr and not Cantrip?
Why me while we had the same reaction to GJ’s vanilla crumb?
Why are you not reassessing the game ever?
And you have to understand that a secret claimed info role tunneling the same exact target for the entire game, with obviously no role-related proof that he's mafia, strikes me as potentially fake.
Tired of trying to figure it all out when we have so much leeway. Not simplifying the situation by reducing the variables when we can safely do so just feels egotistical. I'm down to lynch Rhand and try again toMorrow. Eco needs to be on the wagon so he can use his ability.
Tired of trying to figure it all out when we have so much leeway. Not simplifying the situation by reducing the variables when we can safely do so just feels egotistical. I'm down to lynch Rhand and try again toMorrow. Eco needs to be on the wagon so he can use his ability.
@Mod: Can we have a votecount, please?
Sorry, but not really. I like not having to go through a bajillion Night phases on MTGS if I can help it.
This is getting frustrating. Can someone explain me why I’m even on the table?
Only tom seems to think I’m scum. Cantrip obviously doesn’t believe it but wants me to be.
Lngr / Vaimes think I’m town.
I have no idea what Eco / HR are thinking, but I’m sure HR’s game analysis, if it ever comes, will have me as town too.
If y’all think that my conversations with GJ / Vezok and the end-of-day with Shadow are theatre, then you have a too big impression of what I’m capable of as scum.
Vaimes scum because the me tunneling rhand narrative is laughable
Yes, i thought his day 1 comes from scum most of the time and have seen nothing to change that. But pretty much by definition a tunnel involves me not looking at others. And rhand isnt even the person ive talked about most. And right now hes just "the person in the poe that gave me bad feels day 1" when the other 2 gave me good feels.
Maybe its just the saying everything is scummy, but i dont think thats a reasonable conclusion for anyone other than rhand to have...
Cantrip and highroller are clear
Im pretty sure i know you well enough that youre never scum here
3 names left.
Eco claims to be the third PR. It mostly makes sense in the setup as i know it, though not enough to say it makes him town just a bit more likely. And either way its just objectively right to let him use it tonight.
2 names left
Lngrr is looking a bit possible aorn. Have been operating ubder the assumption he was the third PR for weeks. And honestly havent really looked back, because this poe looks so easy and he pinged town multiple times early on.
Rhand, nothing going for him. Vezok pushing him until it mattered, "noticing" gjs VT soft to townread him without explaining. These are the things he thinks should be clearing? And he treated me like scum treats me day 1, and lately has mostly been attacking others' opinions without offering alternatives.
Yes. Im very happy to place my vote on either of those two without putting in additional effort.
Anyways, I agree HR is mostly cleared by dead scum.
Cantrip’s recent thought processes seem true.
If Vaimes is scum, then he went to a whole new level. I’m convinced he’s town.
My Lngr town read did diminish with his vanilla claim.
For me it’s Eco=tom>lngr>>cantrip>HR>>Vaimes.
Which means lynching me in no way gives us a sure win.
Unless if it’s not tom. Which makes tom’s assessment not too bad.
@tom: if you’re town, you should realise that you are also on that POE table for most of us, which means you do need to put effort in.
@Vaimes: I can understand that, but even though I've reread a huge portion of D1, I don't feel like I'm any closer to figuring things out. I was really excited by the (apparently naive) possibility that I had cleared Eco because gifting an invention to the same player as the NK just feels suboptimal. Now I'm feeling pretty deflated. Plus it's the weekend. So while I'll continue reviewing and trying to figure things out as long as the Day continues, I'm not going to be able to do nearly as much, and I'm just ready to move on. (Also I don't mind a bajillion Night phases if they all occur on weekends.)
@Rhand: I have absolutely no idea whether you're town or scum. My gut has been screaming that something is off about you all game. The interaction with GJ that you continue to point out makes me think you're unaligned with him, but then you keep bringing it up like it's conclusive. Your responses to Shadow's attack on HR in 305/317/320/322/323 makes my head spin if you're town. But then again, I was completely wrong on Shadow and couldn't come to a solid conclusion on Vez until he self-voted, and even being right on GJ feels like "even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut", so please forgive me if I just want things to get simpler. And in pursuing that simplicity, I'd be freakin' thrilled if you flipped scum and we won. So yeah, I'm completely down to lynch you, hope for the best, expect the worst, and steel myself for doing a better job D5.
Sorry for the loss of happy bubbly Cantrip. I have a headache.
Sorry I'm effectively V/LA today. At a scan the unofficial VC tom did looks correct. Will do an official one as soon as I can but out of time right now.
Then a lighthearted #197 "rand scum for going the wrong direction on cantrip/shadow" (which, as far as I can tell, is a jokey way to tell Rhand he's incorrect)
See that's where my problem lies. That post doesn't feel lighthearted to me; it feels like he has a strong opinion on the Cantrip/Shadow duo. And when I ask him about that, he brushes it off, only to call me scum when I pressure on.
If this is town!tom with a gimmick, I'm going to have a very tough time figuring out which reads are serious and which ones are a joke.
Maybe it's because I'm not native English, but I don't feel the lightheartedness of that post.
It was 1900 posts in, near the end of day 3 (I was curious so I checked).
I read the game from there to the end. Shadow lost that game, which reinforces my idea that Shadow wouldn’t claim vt as scum this early.
Why? Again, I don't see how Shadow's claim in that game really affected anything, so what does it do for you?
I know Shadow can come up with claims as scum that make him ride all the way to the end. I just can’t imagine a player of his caliber deciding to claim VT out of the blue early D1. It gives him no mechanical outs later on in the game, and he loves those.
Overarching, rhand is scum for falling into the trap of how [generic scum] interact with [nonspecific town they dont know what to do with]
It should surprise no one here i have a lot of experience with that. And his progression on me is straight up that as well as fake.
Cheesesteak scum for not just reading the 3 paragraphs i already did on this.
As for gj read. Not super into talking about it but if i fully understood it all its a read scum are more likely to make but less likely to vocalize when they do. So i can see you thinking its not a route wolves are likely to take but dont think its more than a percentage point or two and barely care about it
You’re ignoring my whole thought progression to fit your narrative.
Will you outline your thought progression again for me, please?
I woke up, skimmed the thread and saw that post of tom’s I reacted to.
Reading more, I realized he was calling everyone scum and was playing a gimmick.
I from there on had 2 conversations with tom at the same time: 1 about the initial issue and him calling me scum over nothing and 1 about how distracting his gimmick is. And I have the feeling he was baiting me with this:
Highroller is town for correctly calling out everyone who called him scum from his two posts. There was nothing of substance in those posts to make anyone really be swayed yet several people said he is scummy for it. Highroller comes back by throwing question at everyone who scumread him. That's exactly the tonwie play he did in banned mafia when he caught people.
And your argument about him roleclaiming immediately is bad and you know it. He claimed a part of his role that he guessed would help the town and kept the rest close to his chest. He had a daykill that got activated by having someone eat a corpse he made with his first ability that he claimed and told everyone to knock themselves out on eating the corpses.
Highroller is not stupid and knows exactly what and how much to claim in every game.
Regarding tom, being transparemt is good because at the end of the day tom is hard to read as any alignment, but he keeps his cards way closer to his chest as scum. Here he is actively giving reasons for his scumreads even though some are jokes.
Claiming tom's gimmick is distracting because you only read the attack on and got confused is irrelevant. Town doesn't get scared when a single person accuses them of something irrelevant/non-sensical.
It's amazing how in a single post you made me go from Rhand probably scum to Rhand certainly scum.
Highroller is town for correctly calling out everyone who called him scum from his two posts. There was nothing of substance in those posts to make anyone really be swayed yet several people said he is scummy for it. Highroller comes back by throwing question at everyone who scumread him. That's exactly the tonwie play he did in banned mafia when he caught people.
And your argument about him roleclaiming immediately is bad and you know it. He claimed a part of his role that he guessed would help the town and kept the rest close to his chest. He had a daykill that got activated by having someone eat a corpse he made with his first ability that he claimed and told everyone to knock themselves out on eating the corpses.
Highroller is not stupid and knows exactly what and how much to claim in every game.
The “and you know it” part there is bad and you know it.
I wasn’t in that game. I saw an early huge claim, and a lot of conviction that he can break games with mass role claiming.
I did not know he hid part of his role.
Fact is still that he pushed for a mass roleclaim there and not here.
There’s also the post frequency, but that remains to be seen.
Regarding tom, being transparemt is good because at the end of the day tom is hard to read as any alignment, but he keeps his cards way closer to his chest as scum. Here he is actively giving reasons for his scumreads even though some are jokes.
Claiming tom's gimmick is distracting because you only read the attack on and got confused is irrelevant. Town doesn't get scared when a single person accuses them of something irrelevant/non-sensical. [quote]
Tom’s gimmick is distracting period. If you are good at seeing where he’s serious and where not, good for you. I can’t.
I’m ok with him talking in poems or whatever, but this particular one has me all confused as to what he’s really saying. It also gives him no accountability whatsoever: I called him out over one of his supposed reads (which was even a real one), and he brushes it off.
[quote]It's amazing how in a single post you made me go from Rhand probably scum to Rhand certainly scum.
And I thought you could actually read me. Are you scum with tom Vezok?
Sorry, I thought you were in that game. Doesn't really explain why you couldn't be bothered to check his role at the end of the game to see his real role.
And even then your argument still falls flat, because highroller's daykill was only usable if he knew everything about a player (card name, type and mana cost) so pushing for a mass claim was the right play regarding his role. He needed to have all cards on the table in order for his ability to work.
And attacking players for not being around is scummy in all situations as a defense is either impossible (we can't know what highroller is doing irl) or against the rules of the game (don't talk about ongoing games)
Highroller has given no sign that he missed much of the day on purpose and not because of real life.
Like your entire attack on highroller is "he did something in another game as town and not here" completely ignoring the reasons why he did what he did and that "he hasn't posted much". You of all people should know that life gets in the way of both town and scum and it's as NAI as NAI gets.
If he is silly and his posts give you a headache, he is probably town.
If he is more serious, business like, he is a wolf.
Playstation is his most recent wolf game, that I recall. tom is also one of the few players I will actually use meta on, and only as a leaning rule. I think I mentioned this to him as well, but he has stuck to it.
I researched this and it seems to be true.
Which makes me happy because Vezok is my second current scumread (kind of tied with Highroller) and tom switching to him felt iffy.
unvote, vote Vezok
My current world view:
Town:
Lngrrr
Cheese
GJ
Lean town:
Shadow
Vaimes
tom
Null:
Ruma (moved down to null because he's not leaving enough of an impression to solidify a townread. Not giving me scumvibes either)
Eco (he doesn't seem to take stances. Not interested in seeing him lynched D1, but expecting good analysis and real reads from D2 onwards)
Cantrip (I'm starting to doubt my read on him. Happy to leave him be for the time being and look back into him on a later Day)
Lean scum:
Vezok
Highroller
The tom research rocked my boat, I think I need a flip to do a full re-evaluation.
So, reacting to a GJ post, he says, "Yeah, I'm going to vote vezok, he's my second after Highroller on mafia."
So, follow this with me now. First he votes me. Then talks to vezok, and after a brief conversation with vezok, votes tomsloger. He then continues to vote tomsloger. Then, reacting to a GJ post, he votes vezok, says that he's leaning towards tomsloger being town, and says that vezok and I are his two highest mafia reads.
tomsloger is about as cleared as he could be in my mind. The mafia could not have anticipated Riku blocking a kill and outing Gentleman Johnny. Had that kill gone through, and were vezok and GJ still alive, the mafia would have already won the game. There is no reason for tomsloger to have made the play he did. Not to mention with the breadcrumbing, and the manner of his counterclaim, it would be bewildering for him to end up being mafia.
Obviously I'm not going to vote myself.
I believe the most suspicious three are Rhand, Cantripmancer, and LnGrrrR.
Cantripmancer: First of all, if Rhand flips town, we should DEFINITELY look at Cantripmancer for that reason alone. There's also the fact that he's acted weird all game. He's admitted he's excited and manic, but there's a difference between being manic and being pretty much a Looney Tunes character, which is what he was day one. He didn't act anything like this during Banned Mafia. It reads phony, like a mafia trying to appear town - a tone I get from so many of his posts.
LnGrrrR's roleclaim is pretty suspicious. There's also something that GJ did that really bothers me. In the early game, GJ repeatedly went after LnGrrrR, putting pressure on him. Keeps doing it. And yet, on post 122, GJ says that the mafia are Eco, Vaimes, and one of Azrael or me. Not LnGrrrR, the guy he'd been pushing. Never did he post any sort of justification or acknowledgement of this shift. That's been bothering me for a while now. Why drum up suspicion against someone and then abruptly stop short of actually proclaiming them mafia or voting for them?
Difficult to say who'd be more suspicious between Vaimes and Ecophagy. Based on behavior, Vaimes, but I find Ecophagy's role to be suspicious.
I towncleared Lngr because scum don’t blatantly fish like that.
I towncleared GJ and Shadow because I thought scum wouldn’t crumb vanilla so early.
I had a scumread on tom until GJ made me look into his meta.
I had a scumread on you mainly because of less posts and different behaviour than your town games. Vezok made a good point that that’s not a reason to lynch you Day 1.
That defaulted me to vote my next top scumread, which was Vezok.
@HR, because the game was high complexity, and my role was pretty simple (rich town vanilla). I figured I was the only one who started with a coin, and there might be some way of giving my coin away. Knowing we had burner phones, people could ping me if they needed it.
re: Eco, he jumps in and immediately asks Rhand why he asked that question, which was good because he wanted to see the mindset behind it. He wasn't letting Rhand get away with some random question, and more importabtly, was making Rhand explain himself before he even got an answer to work around. (Which, IIRC Rhand told him to ask again d2.)
Vaimes said he would hammer sometime later. Speaking of which, I want to look at Vaimes and post some stuff if I have time. Not a huge necessity since I will be surprised if we both don't live until tomorrow.
I also think Rhand will want to have his last words
@Eco, are you voting Rhand because coin, or scumminess?
I think I’ve said all there is to say. I’m not happy getting lynched with all the proof of me being town, but meh.
Pretty sure the solution is Eco/tom, but lngr is a real ootion too.
I figured I was the only one who started with a coin, and there might be some way of giving my coin away. Knowing we had burner phones, people could ping me if they needed it.
How are you not seeing the lack of logic in that thought? "Hey everyone, I have a coin if you need one! And if you don't want to ask for it in-thread, just spend a coin to message me!" Serious question: how does that even sort of make sense?
@Cantrip, I don't think you are thinking this through. One, people could tell me they wanted the coin publicly. Two, if the person wanted to spend a coin, they could. It isn't like I could only have that one coin, after all. I could earn more and continue to give those if that was possible. Three, I was hinting at a PR (having money, hence my Moneypenny line) in hopes I might draw a NK. Fourth, I figured there would be more than burner phones to the coins, and as I mentioned, me sending messages in the Night seemed like a pretty crap use. FWIW, sent my first message last night to Tom, so I still have... two coins I think. I asked Grape if I could send to two people at once, but no dice.
I understand questioning the game from every angle, and it's not like tomsloger hasn't done anything that's made me raise my eyebrows (bandwagoning shadowlancerx, not claiming his role). And it's not like I wouldn't love to lynch him based on his posting gimmick this game, which makes rereading the thread painful.
But I don't understand the logic behind the play. What practical sense did bussing vezok make?
Like, vezok claimed rent-a-cop, and then everyone left vezok alone. The only reason people voted vezok again is because tomsloger counterclaimed. So like, yeah, you now have a mafia who everyone is willing to consider town and not vote for... At the cost of a mafia that everyone was willing to consider town and not vote for. If this is an actual mafia gambit, then the mafia exchanged 1 prominent mafia that people consider to be town and two other mafia also alive for 1 prominent mafia that people consider to be town and 1 other mafia also alive.
Why would they do that? Remember they started Day 2 out with a mafia that everyone was willing to trust was a cop, and all they had to do to win was get the town to lynch a town for the next two days. Keep in mind, I had suspicion on me after shadowlancerx flipped town, so all they needed to do was get the town to lynch one more guy. To the best of their knowledge, they had the game. Why would tomsloger then proceed to throw it? Even more so, why would the other two agree to this plan?
Odds were super high that town would turn on vezok after he survived two additional Night phases after his claim, unless they started No Killing to make it look like a Doc was in the game. tom CC'ing puts him in a near-unlynchable position, which is super good for scum.
After vezok's claim, I don't think they'd be able to get two additional mislynches while maintaining the Cop facade. And who's to say that GJ or tom wouldn't have gotten lynched in the meantime?
Of course, at the time they didn't account for Riku giving GJ the finger on Night 2, but that's the way it be sometimes.
Anyways, who cares, everyone thinks I'm being silly, so let's just lynch Rhand and end the game, yeah?
Odds were super high that town would turn on vezok after he survived two additional Night phases after his claim, unless they started No Killing to make it look like a Doc was in the game. tom CC'ing puts him in a near-unlynchable position, which is super good for scum.
After vezok's claim, I don't think they'd be able to get two additional mislynches while maintaining the Cop facade. And who's to say that GJ or tom wouldn't have gotten lynched in the meantime?
They could have easily gotten one with me day 3 after lynching someone day 2.
Thanks for running me up for no ******* reason. Solid play from you guys.
I have a 1-shot cop that costs 2 coins. I tried to breadcrumb it by appearing way more convinced than I actually was, but that only got me more votes.
@Cantrip: I wasn't really trying to defend HR as much as show just how bad the arguments against him were. GJ has expressed his suspicion on me and HR being based on tone which you can't defend against. People are calling HR a lurker when he didn't have time to post for the first two days. I have a wagon with 4 people who have not expressed any reason for their vote and one GJ who says he doesn't like my tone. I'd defend myself if I was actually given the chance and I wasn't too worried due to my claim.
Looking back, I can't believe we didn't immediately lynch vezok for saying he checked Riku, a self-resolving PR claim, and Riku immediately going "I was roleblocked."
I will note that in the case of scum!Tom playing a gamble, it means that he has to get Vez lynched, then probably kill Riku N2 because it would confirm Riku as town, then D3 fight off the lynch and probably lie about an investigation coming up positive for "scum". And he came up with this plan and started planting the seed of it 15 minutes after Vez's claim. I'm not saying Tom isn't good enough to do that but... that seems convoluted.
lol N2
If Riku had died the first time, we'd probably be way more boned than we are now.
I am not a huge fan of a Rhand lynch either, but I am not a fan of lynching Tom/Eco right now. Nor Cantrip, nor HR, nor Vaimes. There's no one I can put my finger on right now and say, "This dude is confscum!"
Crossing my fingers for Tom to find something toMorrow... or Eco to hand out a cop shot.
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For whose benefit are we not operating with all possible town information toDay?
Ill either be killed and my legacy/results will be quite clear, or ill be alive tomorrow when its actually time to figure things out and share info.
Why toMorrow and not now?
And why do you think that you can give us a POE of 2 that we’ll blindly accept?
Why lngr and not Cantrip?
Why me while we had the same reaction to GJ’s vanilla crumb?
Why are you not reassessing the game ever?
Tomorrow is correct ive thought it through. Would rather just win now, but its meh, and my claim doesn't really change the odds of that much
@Mod: Can we have a votecount, please?
Only tom seems to think I’m scum. Cantrip obviously doesn’t believe it but wants me to be.
Lngr / Vaimes think I’m town.
I have no idea what Eco / HR are thinking, but I’m sure HR’s game analysis, if it ever comes, will have me as town too.
If y’all think that my conversations with GJ / Vezok and the end-of-day with Shadow are theatre, then you have a too big impression of what I’m capable of as scum.
Yes, i thought his day 1 comes from scum most of the time and have seen nothing to change that. But pretty much by definition a tunnel involves me not looking at others. And rhand isnt even the person ive talked about most. And right now hes just "the person in the poe that gave me bad feels day 1" when the other 2 gave me good feels.
Maybe its just the saying everything is scummy, but i dont think thats a reasonable conclusion for anyone other than rhand to have...
Cantrip and highroller are clear
Im pretty sure i know you well enough that youre never scum here
3 names left.
Eco claims to be the third PR. It mostly makes sense in the setup as i know it, though not enough to say it makes him town just a bit more likely. And either way its just objectively right to let him use it tonight.
2 names left
Lngrr is looking a bit possible aorn. Have been operating ubder the assumption he was the third PR for weeks. And honestly havent really looked back, because this poe looks so easy and he pinged town multiple times early on.
Rhand, nothing going for him. Vezok pushing him until it mattered, "noticing" gjs VT soft to townread him without explaining. These are the things he thinks should be clearing? And he treated me like scum treats me day 1, and lately has mostly been attacking others' opinions without offering alternatives.
Yes. Im very happy to place my vote on either of those two without putting in additional effort.
Cantrip’s recent thought processes seem true.
If Vaimes is scum, then he went to a whole new level. I’m convinced he’s town.
My Lngr town read did diminish with his vanilla claim.
For me it’s Eco=tom>lngr>>cantrip>HR>>Vaimes.
Which means lynching me in no way gives us a sure win.
Unless if it’s not tom. Which makes tom’s assessment not too bad.
@tom: if you’re town, you should realise that you are also on that POE table for most of us, which means you do need to put effort in.
Rhand scum for not realizing theres no world where we lynch a claimed PR today and self preserving onto lngrr, the only other viable option
@Rhand: I have absolutely no idea whether you're town or scum. My gut has been screaming that something is off about you all game. The interaction with GJ that you continue to point out makes me think you're unaligned with him, but then you keep bringing it up like it's conclusive. Your responses to Shadow's attack on HR in 305/317/320/322/323 makes my head spin if you're town. But then again, I was completely wrong on Shadow and couldn't come to a solid conclusion on Vez until he self-voted, and even being right on GJ feels like "even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut", so please forgive me if I just want things to get simpler. And in pursuing that simplicity, I'd be freakin' thrilled if you flipped scum and we won. So yeah, I'm completely down to lynch you, hope for the best, expect the worst, and steel myself for doing a better job D5.
Sorry for the loss of happy bubbly Cantrip. I have a headache.
Eco (1): rhand
Tom (1): vaimes
Not voting: cantrip, highroller, lngrr
Intent to hammer sometime tomorrow.
Other questions:
What was your rationale for voting for me in post 422?
What was your rationale for unvoting me in post 425?
Yeah, Rhand's the obvious lynch for today.
In addition to being shifty in general, and repeatedly townclearing the people we now know to be mafia, there are two huge red flags day one.
So on post 422, Rhand votes me. On post 427, he unvotes me. What happened during those posts?
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So we keep going through the thread, until we get to post 675.
So, reacting to a GJ post, he says, "Yeah, I'm going to vote vezok, he's my second after Highroller on mafia."
So, follow this with me now. First he votes me. Then talks to vezok, and after a brief conversation with vezok, votes tomsloger. He then continues to vote tomsloger. Then, reacting to a GJ post, he votes vezok, says that he's leaning towards tomsloger being town, and says that vezok and I are his two highest mafia reads.
How do you even do that?
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2. Highroller
3. tomsloger5. Cantripmancer
6. Rhand
7. LnGrrrR
8. Vaimes
12. Ecophagy
tomsloger is about as cleared as he could be in my mind. The mafia could not have anticipated Riku blocking a kill and outing Gentleman Johnny. Had that kill gone through, and were vezok and GJ still alive, the mafia would have already won the game. There is no reason for tomsloger to have made the play he did. Not to mention with the breadcrumbing, and the manner of his counterclaim, it would be bewildering for him to end up being mafia.
Obviously I'm not going to vote myself.
I believe the most suspicious three are Rhand, Cantripmancer, and LnGrrrR.
Cantripmancer: First of all, if Rhand flips town, we should DEFINITELY look at Cantripmancer for that reason alone. There's also the fact that he's acted weird all game. He's admitted he's excited and manic, but there's a difference between being manic and being pretty much a Looney Tunes character, which is what he was day one. He didn't act anything like this during Banned Mafia. It reads phony, like a mafia trying to appear town - a tone I get from so many of his posts.
LnGrrrR's roleclaim is pretty suspicious. There's also something that GJ did that really bothers me. In the early game, GJ repeatedly went after LnGrrrR, putting pressure on him. Keeps doing it. And yet, on post 122, GJ says that the mafia are Eco, Vaimes, and one of Azrael or me. Not LnGrrrR, the guy he'd been pushing. Never did he post any sort of justification or acknowledgement of this shift. That's been bothering me for a while now. Why drum up suspicion against someone and then abruptly stop short of actually proclaiming them mafia or voting for them?
Difficult to say who'd be more suspicious between Vaimes and Ecophagy. Based on behavior, Vaimes, but I find Ecophagy's role to be suspicious.
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Vezok would have been doomed if he hadn't claimed cop. He had too many votes on him.
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Questions to specific people:
tomsloger:
What is your role?
LnGrrrR:
Could you go over again your mindset behind the role phishing and why you thought Eco was supertownie (Post 111)?
Vaimes:
Could you explain your mindset when you shuffled on voting shadowlancerx on page 17?
I towncleared GJ and Shadow because I thought scum wouldn’t crumb vanilla so early.
I had a scumread on tom until GJ made me look into his meta.
I had a scumread on you mainly because of less posts and different behaviour than your town games. Vezok made a good point that that’s not a reason to lynch you Day 1.
That defaulted me to vote my next top scumread, which was Vezok.
In any case, it’s there, but I’m not gonna go digging for it because I’m doing my pre-bedtime phoneposting/scrolling.
voting shadow were town.
re: Eco, he jumps in and immediately asks Rhand why he asked that question, which was good because he wanted to see the mindset behind it. He wasn't letting Rhand get away with some random question, and more importabtly, was making Rhand explain himself before he even got an answer to work around. (Which, IIRC Rhand told him to ask again d2.)
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I also think Rhand will want to have his last words
@Eco, are you voting Rhand because coin, or scumminess?
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Pretty sure the solution is Eco/tom, but lngr is a real ootion too.
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But I don't understand the logic behind the play. What practical sense did bussing vezok make?
Like, vezok claimed rent-a-cop, and then everyone left vezok alone. The only reason people voted vezok again is because tomsloger counterclaimed. So like, yeah, you now have a mafia who everyone is willing to consider town and not vote for... At the cost of a mafia that everyone was willing to consider town and not vote for. If this is an actual mafia gambit, then the mafia exchanged 1 prominent mafia that people consider to be town and two other mafia also alive for 1 prominent mafia that people consider to be town and 1 other mafia also alive.
Why would they do that? Remember they started Day 2 out with a mafia that everyone was willing to trust was a cop, and all they had to do to win was get the town to lynch a town for the next two days. Keep in mind, I had suspicion on me after shadowlancerx flipped town, so all they needed to do was get the town to lynch one more guy. To the best of their knowledge, they had the game. Why would tomsloger then proceed to throw it? Even more so, why would the other two agree to this plan?
Odds were super high that town would turn on vezok after he survived two additional Night phases after his claim, unless they started No Killing to make it look like a Doc was in the game. tom CC'ing puts him in a near-unlynchable position, which is super good for scum.
After vezok's claim, I don't think they'd be able to get two additional mislynches while maintaining the Cop facade. And who's to say that GJ or tom wouldn't have gotten lynched in the meantime?
Of course, at the time they didn't account for Riku giving GJ the finger on Night 2, but that's the way it be sometimes.
Anyways, who cares, everyone thinks I'm being silly, so let's just lynch Rhand and end the game, yeah?
Enjoy your weekends.
Also, vezok's cop claim was one-time.
Both!
If Riku had died the first time, we'd probably be way more boned than we are now.
Crossing my fingers for Tom to find something toMorrow... or Eco to hand out a cop shot.
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