So on the one hand, I can totally see scum!Vaimes trying to get Tom lynched here; it would be a major feather in his cap. But it doesn't make as much sense when Vaimes isn't even in Tom's PoE unless Vaimes thinks his only path to victory is a Tom lynch as opposed to a Tom NK.
On the other hand, the more I think about GJ's whole "hey, look at this hilarious comparison to Playstation Mafia" sequence, the more paranoid I get that Tom really is turbo-bussing long-gaming hail-Mary-ing and I'm so frustrated to even be going down these avenues of thought because I just want Rhand to flip scum so I can feel justified in tunneling him all game.
I...don't want to lynch anyone yet. I want to dig deeper.
Vaimes scum for trying to only give me partial credit for making vezok a wagon day 1 when it was previously 4 town wagons, sticking on him til he fakeclaimed, still calling him scum after, and claiming to ensure his lynch when he was getting away with it the next day.
Vaimes scum for trying to only give me partial credit for making vezok a wagon day 1 when it was previously 4 town wagons, sticking on him til he fakeclaimed, still calling him scum after, and claiming to ensure his lynch when he was getting away with it the next day.
Your only mention of calling him scum after the claim but before Day 2 was here:
Vezok scum because cops dont apologize when they claim, theyre defiant.
vote rhand
Which doesn't read clearly as your gimmick or a real scumread.
And then Night 1 happened and scumchat opened, so. Partial credit. I'm kinda running with the blind assumption that GJ was telling the truth about no Daychat.
And the point is that vezok was always going to die sooner rather than later, so CC'ing him as a scumbuddy is a very optimal play. I don't think you'd disagree with this in a vacuum, just here specficially when I'm trying to use it against you.
All of this buzzing would go away if you'd just claim your role, targets, and reasons. For whose benefit are you hiding information from the town?
And really, scum!Rhand reacts to your CC (when he knows you're telling the truth in that world) by going "I'm allergic to semi-CC's"? I kinda doubt that.
Also Vaimes, why Cantrip as the other option for me giving an item to toNight?
Because he's my scumbuddy.
No particular reason, LnGR just voiced his opinion and I don't really have anything against Cantrip, besides his fake Canadian posting making me roll my eyes. You really should just pick two townreads and randomize it. Maybe tell us which two you've picked on the super off-chance you die and give it to scum.
@Eco, I say randomize it between two people, on the off chance that A) we lynch, say, town!Rhand and then town!Vaimes is the NK. Gives us a 50/50 chance for someone to confirm your ability at least.
@Vaimes, earlier I posted (I am pretty sure) every post Tom made after Vez's claim that references Vez. You should be able to look through my ISO and find it.
I'm fine with Tom not claiming toDay. If he lives toMorrow, we can look at it then.
Gaming the setup, the obvious answer to me is that scum is either Eco or Tom. We had a town RB and a scum RB, a few town rich vanillas and a scum rich vanilla, and now we have Tom (investigative?) and Eco (random 1x shot giver). Not exactly even, but it doesn't make sense that town would have both roles. Additionally, given the way the Watch shot was revealed, highly unlikely Eco is lying about his role.
That said, I'm fine with both of them living toNight, and seeing what shakes out toMorrow morning, given we have numbers on our side.
Finally, if it somehow is HR (note: I don't think it is right now), I will be SOOOOOOO mad that we went around in circles while he durdled around. (Assuming he doesn't post some awesome analysis sometime toDay.)
If we leave Tom and Eco both alive toNight, that means the lynch is somewhere between Cantrip, Vaimes, HR, myself, or Rhand. Probably voting Rhand out of all of those, but not liking it. Cantrip second and I guess HR third. Whoever is the last scum is playing pretty well. (Unless it's HR.)
I don’t think it’s HR either because of scum interactions with him, but I’m not willing to get lynched over the probable dichotomy to then lose against HR because we chainlynch tom and Eco.
I would rather lynch tom and Eco first and then if the game isn’t over decide on the claimed vanilla’s.
Eh, true. I was thinking about him possibly giving investigative abilities, but technically scum!Tom could leave town!Eco alive, and risk it that Eco gave out a shot that was either non-investigative, or that his target is NK'd, or that the target doesn't hit when he uses it.
@Eco, do you know the range of devices you can hand out?
@Eco, I say randomize it between two people, on the off chance that A) we lynch, say, town!Rhand and then town!Vaimes is the NK. Gives us a 50/50 chance for someone to confirm your ability at least.
@Vaimes, earlier I posted (I am pretty sure) every post Tom made after Vez's claim that references Vez. You should be able to look through my ISO and find it.
I'm fine with Tom not claiming toDay. If he lives toMorrow, we can look at it then.
Gaming the setup, the obvious answer to me is that scum is either Eco or Tom. We had a town RB and a scum RB, a few town rich vanillas and a scum rich vanilla, and now we have Tom (investigative?) and Eco (random 1x shot giver). Not exactly even, but it doesn't make sense that town would have both roles. Additionally, given the way the Watch shot was revealed, highly unlikely Eco is lying about his role.
That said, I'm fine with both of them living toNight, and seeing what shakes out toMorrow morning, given we have numbers on our side.
Finally, if it somehow is HR (note: I don't think it is right now), I will be SOOOOOOO mad that we went around in circles while he durdled around. (Assuming he doesn't post some awesome analysis sometime toDay.)
If we leave Tom and Eco both alive toNight, that means the lynch is somewhere between Cantrip, Vaimes, HR, myself, or Rhand. Probably voting Rhand out of all of those, but not liking it. Cantrip second and I guess HR third. Whoever is the last scum is playing pretty well. (Unless it's HR.)
Probably, but scum!Tom could take a chance letting town!Eco live and hand out a device. Because A) scum!Tom could kill the target, B) the device may not be useful and C) the person getting the device might target the wrong person with it.
With all that said, I still think it makes more sense from a mechanical standpoint that town would have the more reliable investigative role, and scum would have the "hand out anything" role. Plus I think Tom has done more for town than Eco has. If it's Tom vs Eco, even if I had them even, I think it would make more sense to lynch Eco. The only reason I'm entertaining scum!Tom is because he is a good enough and crazy enough player to fake me out here.
Uhhh, trying to mislynch tom is kind of unwinnable, because I die immediately after.
Um...why? If you actually convince us to mislynch Tom, then you might have been the main push, but that doesn't mean we auto-lynch you. Townies are wrong all the time.
Gaming the setup, the obvious answer to me is that scum is either Eco or Tom. We had a town RB and a scum RB, a few town rich vanillas and a scum rich vanilla, and now we have Tom (investigative?) and Eco (random 1x shot giver). Not exactly even, but it doesn't make sense that town would have both roles. Additionally, given the way the Watch shot was revealed, highly unlikely Eco is lying about his role.
Again, why are you assuming that Rhand and I are telling the truth about being just Rich VT?
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If we leave Tom and Eco both alive toNight, that means the lynch is somewhere between Cantrip, Vaimes, HR, myself, or Rhand. Probably voting Rhand out of all of those, but not liking it. Cantrip second and I guess HR third. Whoever is the last scum is playing pretty well. (Unless it's HR.)
Tom, this is why I'm coming around to joining the "Tom should claim" train. Maybe it's just me and I'm way off-base, but I'm pretty sure I understand where you are, but many, many others do not seem to. Are we not close enough that you claiming toDay vs tomorrow won't matter?
I don’t think it’s HR either because of scum interactions with him, but I’m not willing to get lynched over the probable dichotomy to then lose against HR because we chainlynch tom and Eco.
I would rather lynch tom and Eco first and then if the game isn’t over decide on the claimed vanilla’s.
If Tom dies and the game doesn't end, barring one corner case that I'd rather not think about, sorting the remaining players is not going to be terribly difficult.
With all that said, I still think it makes more sense from a mechanical standpoint that town would have the more reliable investigative role, and scum would have the "hand out anything" role. Plus I think Tom has done more for town than Eco has. If it's Tom vs Eco, even if I had them even, I think it would make more sense to lynch Eco. The only reason I'm entertaining scum!Tom is because he is a good enough and crazy enough player to fake me out here.
If I assume that Eco's telling the truth, then based purely on ability, Tom is more likely of the two to be scum because lolwut scum who gifts random abilities?
On a related note, if Eco's scum, why did he send a gift to Cheesecake if they were just going to NK him the same Night? Other than some really silly ability (like "when you perform the NK, you'll leave behind a random useful ability item that totally throws setup-gaming out the window but in a way guaranteed to infuriate my players so lolno"), Eco's town. Um. Did I just townclear Eco? Holy crow, I think I did. How did no one think of this before now? Am I just totally missing something and/or some reason that scum!Eco would have given Cheesecake the watcher shot?
I don't really see the dichotomy between me and Tom, and I don't see how anyone could confidently assert there is one without Tom's full claim and without pushing for Tom to claim. Unless Tom happens to give out items, there isn't the symmetry loosely present in the Riku/Vezok case. I have an upper limit in mind of what I would believe is possible from Tom, but it seems reasonable to have us + Riku on the town side since the "rich" players are all functionally vanilla.
I also think that any plan that involves lynching the two remaining power claims (while one is unclaimed) in order to solve a flimsy dichotomy is absolutely dreadful.
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With all that said, I still think it makes more sense from a mechanical standpoint that town would have the more reliable investigative role, and scum would have the "hand out anything" role
This logic is flawed because if Tom is scum he's not an investigative role (well, unless it's a rolecop or something of use to the scum) because his claim would have been a fabrication to get Vezok lynched for credit. And I'm not really sure how my role would be of any use to the scum given the impossibility of planning around it and the risk of giving the town very useful abilities.
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@Eco, do you know the range of devices you can hand out?
No. I know they are all one-shot and don't cost a coin to use, and I know they are all relatively simple/not complex. I'm also estimating that the power level is relatively low (e.g. I wouldn't expect to give out vig shots or cop shots) and that there's a mix of investigative/protective/other in there. I also know that the mod picks the item from a list each time I use it, which means I can potentially give out duplicates - but how likely that is depends on the length of the list (which I don't know).
@Eco: Why hadn't you brought up the question of why you would have gifted Cheesecake the same Night your teammate NK'd him? Like, it took me a while to get there because I'm not you and I wasn't thinking about that action choice, but you should have been...but you haven't even vocalized that objection?
@Cantrip, I assume Rhand is telling the truth because he posted the Rich VT first. Either he is telling the truth or scum have a fake claim or he made a good guess that town also had "rich" claims.
Re: lying... I guess that could be the case? Posit town!Eco and town!Tom. Town has a tracker/RB, inventor, and some sort of investigator. Scum have a rolecop/RB. Scum could be lying about abilities. The question is, was GJ raging for real or not?
If real, then to me, the only scumbuddy that makes sense is HR or Rhand. His frustration sounded like someone who was carrying the team, and HR and Rhand have done the least posting. (Speaking of which, still waiting on HE'S analysis.)
But GJ is likely scum, so it's all WIFOM. Maybe he plants the idea of unbalanced team in order to get town to infight between town!Tom and town!Eco, eliminating a PR while keeping their PR hidden. If this is the case, it is probably Rhand because he has run with that a bit.
I see your point about scum!Eco gifting Cheesecake... but if they were NK'ing Cheesecake anyways, no harm done, right? And then Eco just has to not earn coins (and belatedly vote after the lynch for theatre), in order to not have to explain targeting. It is certainly at least as sensible as Tom bussing his PR buddy.
What has Eco done to deserve your town!tunnel Cantrip?
I explained why Eco would target Cheese. And if Eco is scum, the random part is probably a lie.
He can throw the watch shot at the NK just to get rid of it.
Scum!inventors do exist, so Eco’s “I don’t see how my role could benefit scum” is wifom.
I think the only way I am ok with leaving Tom and Eco alive toDay is if we lynch Rhand/HR. If Rhand/HR flips town, and we have a dead Tom or Eco toMorrow, we lynch the other one. If THAT doesn't work, it's lylo and we lynch Rhand/HR. Or Vaimes I guess, if paranoia is strong. (Assuming I am still alive then, I would be doing quite the reread.)
@Rhand, that is in a world where we are assuming town!Eco and town!Tom. I am town, so that leaves you, Cantrip, Vaimes and HR. I didn't check post counts, but of the four, Cantrip has posted a good deal (and tends to post a good amount of content in each post), and Vaimes has felt pretty towny (Though I should reread his ISO before end of day.)
@Cantrip, I assume Rhand is telling the truth because he posted the Rich VT first. Either he is telling the truth or scum have a fake claim or he made a good guess that town also had "rich" claims.
This is what I assumed when Rhand claimed: that he either was (as GJ intimated) Rich Goon and just changed Goon to VT, or he was scum power and wanted to pose as "the town counterpart to GJ", not realizing there were other town out there with that real role. If you hadn't also claimed Rich VT, LnG, I would be gladiating with Rhand right now TO THE DEATH.
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Re: lying... I guess that could be the case? Posit town!Eco and town!Tom. Town has a tracker/RB, inventor, and some sort of investigator. Scum have a rolecop/RB. Scum could be lying about abilities. The question is, was GJ raging for real or not?
Yeah, but therein lies the rub. GJ was scum, so his rage is wifom. Possibly useful, but ultimately probably not.
I explained why Eco would target Cheese. And if Eco is scum, the random part is probably a lie.
He can throw the watch shot at the NK just to get rid of it.
Scum!inventors do exist, so Eco’s “I don’t see how my role could benefit scum” is wifom.
Oh, you did mention this. I guess I can see that...I just have a hard time seeing that as most likely. I'd personally want to target a living person to gain an advocate. But...eh. Ok. Buzz officially killed.
What has Eco done to deserve your town!tunnel Cantrip?
I don't know, exactly. He just felt really really town, especially D1, plenty of mindmeld and posts like 256 where he sounded sincere in trying to get me to reassess.
I did remember that GJ's 267 felt off, though....in fact, let me take another look at that.
Partly was when we had our little rambo off, I felt like it was townies bashing into each other. So cantrip/shadow/lngrr/ I have as townie (slightly hesitant on Eco). Other people I am town reading or null reading for different reasons.
I almost I feel like Azrael is wolfy, mostly because I feel like I am scraping the barrel to come up with 3 people that can be wolves. Still early though.
Lacking strong wolf reads right now. Light wolf reads on you/Highroller, slightly lighter on eco and rhand. But different meta than the quick and run I have gotten more accustom to. Moire used to just spitballing ideas, and interacting in almost real time. Trying to analyze posts after they have been dealt with for a while is tougher when other people have already commented on it.
So what I noticed was the three areas I bolded. GJ lists me, Shadow and LnG, but there's an extra slash at the end. There's then a parenthetical referencing Eco...but he hasn't talked about Eco to need to reference him parenthetically. But he still seems to think Eco's "townie" (just slightly hesitant on that read). But then suddenly he's a slightly lighter wolf read below. But maybe that was GJ trying to decide whether he should town his buddy or scum his buddy and the process got mangled in editing.
Oy. If Eco's scum, then I am not very good at this game...
Oh, you're talking about the conversation that led to GJ's 445 and your subsequent research and backing off Tom in 675? 445 was the post that made me think that GJ could only be scum if he were scum with Tom because he towned Tom pretty hard. (That feels like good reason for Tom to be town, actually, as you were attacking Tom and Vez and GJ gave town props to Tom but didn't mention Vez.) And then you voted Vez in 675...eh, actually, that doesn't feel like scum theatre. Vocally you were vacillating between Tom and Vez, so him towning Tom and then you going to Vez's wagon...hrm.
@Eco: Why hadn't you brought up the question of why you would have gifted Cheesecake the same Night your teammate NK'd him? Like, it took me a while to get there because I'm not you and I wasn't thinking about that action choice, but you should have been...but you haven't even vocalized that objection?
I don't think it's quite the slam dunk you say it is, but really it hadn't crossed my mind to try and explain why I might or might not do it as scum. I just gave an item to someone I was townreading and looked with-it enough to use it sensibly, and I didn't think he'd get killed. It was pretty much him or Vaimes (or LnGrrrR, but at the time I assumed he'd have his own things to be doing at Night).
Re: lying... I guess that could be the case? Posit town!Eco and town!Tom. Town has a tracker/RB, inventor, and some sort of investigator. Scum have a rolecop/RB. Scum could be lying about abilities. The question is, was GJ raging for real or not?
I would be inclined to disregard GJ's rant because it's full of WIFOM. Even if it came from a genuine place of frustration it doubtless had some sort of tactical benefit. Plus I would say that Tom+me+Riku all being town would have to mean scum had some kind of additional power that's just not been claimed, which is in line with neither of the other scum wanting to claim their own role in full.
Yall are all scum for even considering me or eco today. Its always the right play to let us both act/lets scum deal with it and lynch one of the vanilla/rich vanilla claims today.
If eco scum, his gifts could be fake. Best explanation for killing and gifting the same person prolly. But I'm always letting him give out another when we have 3 lynches.
If its as claimed, i feel like scum have another role. If me and ruma are the only town power, scum fake gifter or even scum real gifter if its not randomized can both fit maybe? This part isnt helping anyone without me claiming though, so yeah
Im only voting rhand or lngrr. Preference to rhand just because reads, but its barely a big deal at this point.
If i survive the night ill be claiming tomorrow im pretty sure. Yall can talk about being stupid lynching me then if you must
That’s actually a good point. I don’t know what to think of that.
On the other hand, the more I think about GJ's whole "hey, look at this hilarious comparison to Playstation Mafia" sequence, the more paranoid I get that Tom really is turbo-bussing long-gaming hail-Mary-ing and I'm so frustrated to even be going down these avenues of thought because I just want Rhand to flip scum so I can feel justified in tunneling him all game.
I...don't want to lynch anyone yet. I want to dig deeper.
@Highroller: Where you at, man? Come analyze!
He hasn’t been able to get info on Rhand aaaallll game, so it can’t be that useful if it’s real.
highroller/cantrip
Vaimes
Lngrr/eco
Rhand
vezok I’ll give you half-credit for.
Working on an analysis, but really quick question: Rhand, why did you declare Cheesecake and GJ town on page 2?
And then Night 1 happened and scumchat opened, so. Partial credit. I'm kinda running with the blind assumption that GJ was telling the truth about no Daychat.
All of this buzzing would go away if you'd just claim your role, targets, and reasons. For whose benefit are you hiding information from the town?
No particular reason, LnGR just voiced his opinion and I don't really have anything against Cantrip, besides his fake Canadian posting making me roll my eyes. You really should just pick two townreads and randomize it. Maybe tell us which two you've picked on the super off-chance you die and give it to scum.
@Vaimes, earlier I posted (I am pretty sure) every post Tom made after Vez's claim that references Vez. You should be able to look through my ISO and find it.
I'm fine with Tom not claiming toDay. If he lives toMorrow, we can look at it then.
Gaming the setup, the obvious answer to me is that scum is either Eco or Tom. We had a town RB and a scum RB, a few town rich vanillas and a scum rich vanilla, and now we have Tom (investigative?) and Eco (random 1x shot giver). Not exactly even, but it doesn't make sense that town would have both roles. Additionally, given the way the Watch shot was revealed, highly unlikely Eco is lying about his role.
That said, I'm fine with both of them living toNight, and seeing what shakes out toMorrow morning, given we have numbers on our side.
Finally, if it somehow is HR (note: I don't think it is right now), I will be SOOOOOOO mad that we went around in circles while he durdled around. (Assuming he doesn't post some awesome analysis sometime toDay.)
If we leave Tom and Eco both alive toNight, that means the lynch is somewhere between Cantrip, Vaimes, HR, myself, or Rhand. Probably voting Rhand out of all of those, but not liking it. Cantrip second and I guess HR third. Whoever is the last scum is playing pretty well. (Unless it's HR.)
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I would rather lynch tom and Eco first and then if the game isn’t over decide on the claimed vanilla’s.
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@Eco, do you know the range of devices you can hand out?
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With all that said, I still think it makes more sense from a mechanical standpoint that town would have the more reliable investigative role, and scum would have the "hand out anything" role. Plus I think Tom has done more for town than Eco has. If it's Tom vs Eco, even if I had them even, I think it would make more sense to lynch Eco. The only reason I'm entertaining scum!Tom is because he is a good enough and crazy enough player to fake me out here.
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Again, why are you assuming that Rhand and I are telling the truth about being just Rich VT?
Tom, this is why I'm coming around to joining the "Tom should claim" train. Maybe it's just me and I'm way off-base, but I'm pretty sure I understand where you are, but many, many others do not seem to. Are we not close enough that you claiming toDay vs tomorrow won't matter?
If Tom dies and the game doesn't end, barring one corner case that I'd rather not think about, sorting the remaining players is not going to be terribly difficult.
If I assume that Eco's telling the truth, then based purely on ability, Tom is more likely of the two to be scum because lolwut scum who gifts random abilities?
On a related note, if Eco's scum, why did he send a gift to Cheesecake if they were just going to NK him the same Night? Other than some really silly ability (like "when you perform the NK, you'll leave behind a random useful ability item that totally throws setup-gaming out the window but in a way guaranteed to infuriate my players so lolno"), Eco's town. Um. Did I just townclear Eco? Holy crow, I think I did. How did no one think of this before now? Am I just totally missing something and/or some reason that scum!Eco would have given Cheesecake the watcher shot?
I also think that any plan that involves lynching the two remaining power claims (while one is unclaimed) in order to solve a flimsy dichotomy is absolutely dreadful.
This logic is flawed because if Tom is scum he's not an investigative role (well, unless it's a rolecop or something of use to the scum) because his claim would have been a fabrication to get Vezok lynched for credit. And I'm not really sure how my role would be of any use to the scum given the impossibility of planning around it and the risk of giving the town very useful abilities.
No. I know they are all one-shot and don't cost a coin to use, and I know they are all relatively simple/not complex. I'm also estimating that the power level is relatively low (e.g. I wouldn't expect to give out vig shots or cop shots) and that there's a mix of investigative/protective/other in there. I also know that the mod picks the item from a list each time I use it, which means I can potentially give out duplicates - but how likely that is depends on the length of the list (which I don't know).
Re: lying... I guess that could be the case? Posit town!Eco and town!Tom. Town has a tracker/RB, inventor, and some sort of investigator. Scum have a rolecop/RB. Scum could be lying about abilities. The question is, was GJ raging for real or not?
If real, then to me, the only scumbuddy that makes sense is HR or Rhand. His frustration sounded like someone who was carrying the team, and HR and Rhand have done the least posting. (Speaking of which, still waiting on HE'S analysis.)
But GJ is likely scum, so it's all WIFOM. Maybe he plants the idea of unbalanced team in order to get town to infight between town!Tom and town!Eco, eliminating a PR while keeping their PR hidden. If this is the case, it is probably Rhand because he has run with that a bit.
I see your point about scum!Eco gifting Cheesecake... but if they were NK'ing Cheesecake anyways, no harm done, right? And then Eco just has to not earn coins (and belatedly vote after the lynch for theatre), in order to not have to explain targeting. It is certainly at least as sensible as Tom bussing his PR buddy.
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I explained why Eco would target Cheese. And if Eco is scum, the random part is probably a lie.
He can throw the watch shot at the NK just to get rid of it.
Scum!inventors do exist, so Eco’s “I don’t see how my role could benefit scum” is wifom.
@Cantrip, you think the last scum is Tom then?
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Blah. This is why I enjoy but also hate mafia.
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Yeah, but therein lies the rub. GJ was scum, so his rage is wifom. Possibly useful, but ultimately probably not.
Oh, you did mention this. I guess I can see that...I just have a hard time seeing that as most likely. I'd personally want to target a living person to gain an advocate. But...eh. Ok. Buzz officially killed.
I don't know, exactly. He just felt really really town, especially D1, plenty of mindmeld and posts like 256 where he sounded sincere in trying to get me to reassess.
I did remember that GJ's 267 felt off, though....in fact, let me take another look at that.
So what I noticed was the three areas I bolded. GJ lists me, Shadow and LnG, but there's an extra slash at the end. There's then a parenthetical referencing Eco...but he hasn't talked about Eco to need to reference him parenthetically. But he still seems to think Eco's "townie" (just slightly hesitant on that read). But then suddenly he's a slightly lighter wolf read below. But maybe that was GJ trying to decide whether he should town his buddy or scum his buddy and the process got mangled in editing.
Oy. If Eco's scum, then I am not very good at this game...
I don't think it's quite the slam dunk you say it is, but really it hadn't crossed my mind to try and explain why I might or might not do it as scum. I just gave an item to someone I was townreading and looked with-it enough to use it sensibly, and I didn't think he'd get killed. It was pretty much him or Vaimes (or LnGrrrR, but at the time I assumed he'd have his own things to be doing at Night).
I would be inclined to disregard GJ's rant because it's full of WIFOM. Even if it came from a genuine place of frustration it doubtless had some sort of tactical benefit. Plus I would say that Tom+me+Riku all being town would have to mean scum had some kind of additional power that's just not been claimed, which is in line with neither of the other scum wanting to claim their own role in full.
Sure they do, but they're usually not random. It would be about a million times more useful if I knew what I was giving out to people.
If eco scum, his gifts could be fake. Best explanation for killing and gifting the same person prolly. But I'm always letting him give out another when we have 3 lynches.
If its as claimed, i feel like scum have another role. If me and ruma are the only town power, scum fake gifter or even scum real gifter if its not randomized can both fit maybe? This part isnt helping anyone without me claiming though, so yeah
Im only voting rhand or lngrr. Preference to rhand just because reads, but its barely a big deal at this point.
If i survive the night ill be claiming tomorrow im pretty sure. Yall can talk about
being stupidlynching me then if you mustRhand or lngrr
Stark difference.
Why would i be solving right now?
Be that as it may, it's basically never correct to lynch him toDay. Even if he's being difficult by not claiming.
They also don't hide information from the town when a massclaim happens.