Rhand has been lynched. He was Yuri Takahata Rich Vanilla Town
This name was an unfortunate case of convergent evolution. Please don't google it at work or in front of children.
You begin the game with 1 coin in your possession.
China always made you just a bit jealous. Sure their citizens had next to no privacy the government watched their every move. But that's the case everywhere. And having that sort of industrial complex in place makes it a lot easier to track terrorist activity rather than having to wait for watch lists to give you names and doing the surveillance manually.
Action deadline is in 24 hours roughly 7 pm EST on the 17th of Feb.
It is now N4 please do not post.
Mohamed's breathing was ragged. The hot, dry weather was oppressive and his joints weren't a young mans anymore. But at least it had been a successful day, this cousin's cousin believed he wanted to serve the caliphate. Now the hard work began but at least this young man was a reliable (if misguided) source. As he trudged back to his place the mission started to fade and it came back to his mind.
Who was killing agents?
And was he a target?
He'd never had a problem with the CIA or any of their people. Or MI6. As he walked up to his 2nd floor flat he couldn't stop thinking about the why. Rogue agents don't want to draw that sort of heat. Extortioners ask for money. Terrorists don't keep things this quiet. This looked like a vendetta but the targets seemed to have so little in common other than being spies.
The explosion was instantaneous. There was no time for fear, pain, or dread. Just a sudden overwhelming rush of heat, power, and rubble and then it was all over. Which was a small mercy.
Tomsloger has been killed. He was Mohamed El-Khoury town researcher
Neapolitan Cop: Each night you may spend 1 coin to investigate a player and learn whether they are Vanilla town or not.
You've worked in some of the most dangerous places on earth and you've learned you really have to know someone before you can trust them. So you've made that your life's business. Making sure you know people before you let them work with you.
It is now Day 5. Deadline is in 14 days on Sunday the 3rd at 7pm EST. With 5 alive, majority is 3. You may post.
I don’t immediately understand how his results/info are supposed to be apparent upon his death.
It was flippin' apparent to me a loooooooooooong time ago that Tom had to be a vanilla cop of some sort. Here's an idea: Let's review Tom's posts. Specifically the ones right before a Night and right after. Here's his read list in the twilight of Shadow's lynch:
Ok, so obviously he was trying to get people to pay attention to Vezok without making it seem like he was paying attention to Vezok. He knew at this point that Vezok had claimed cop, also knew that if he (Tom) were Vanilla Town Cop, Vezok was almost certainly lying, and thus Vezok was scum. But he wanted to get Vezok to spew a bit D2, so he gamboled that he wouldn't be the N1 NK. Who else is near the bottom of his list? Rhand, then Ruma and Highroller. Ok, so he's got some suspects. Let's jump to the first post of D2:
Hi
Pretty sure we had v/v wagons and highroller is just VT.
Which would maybe make cantrips scummy eod... not scummy? Because it at least looks like he cared about the result
Not real married to that though
Im now realizing i forgot the gimmick but whatever im at work.
V/la through the weekend
And i think i want to vote vezok for now. I just dont believe the claim and think his highroller defense comes from scum 90% of the time regardless of highroller alignment
Hmmm, now...how would a cop who didn't want to communicate that he was a cop still communicate who he found VT (or not)? Maybe if he took one of his suspects and did a 180 while proclaiming him VT?
So yay, HR is confirmed VT.
Ok, so let's look at D2, which, unfortunately, isn't as clear to me. All through the Day, Tom is vacillating between me and Rhand, saying that one of us is likely Vez's scumbuddy. He puts Rhand at the bottom with Vez in 1014. Makes a scum list of Vez, Rhand, me, and GJ in 1018. D3 dawns, Ruma says he roleblocked GJ, and Tom just votes GJ (1166). In 1202, he posts another list, and his placement of Vaimes at the top with HR makes me think that he investigated Vaimes and found another VT. But Vaimes wasn't on his suspect list, so I'm not sure why he would have. I almost feel like he investigated GJ and found "not VT", but then why would he put Vaimes on the same level as HR? So let's hold on to that for now; we'll come back to it later. But the low end of the list in 1202? Rhand, Eco, and me.
POE
Highroller/cantrip vanilla town, spewed by dead scum
Vaimes left his scumrange a month ago
Lngrr feels town, eco makes good posts
vote rhand
There's another suspect he just called VT! So he investigated me N3. Vaimes is no longer on the same tier as HR. Part of me thinks that means Tom didn't actually investigate Vaimes N2 (and just Towned Vaimes on gut), part of me thinks that he was trying to make it less certain to increase his chances of staying alive.
So I feel like it's mostly cut and dry. Tom's actions are:
N1: Investigated HR, found VT.
N2: Investigated Vaimes and found VT or investigated GJ and found not VT, but if he hadn't investigated Vaimes he probably wouldn't have been treating Vaimes as town the rest of the game? So Vaimes is actually VT. (This is why I tried to get Tom to pin down whether or not he targeted GJ D2 because if he did, Vaimes is still up in the air. Sorta miffed that Tom ignored that question.)
N3: Investigated me and found VT.
Where does that leave us?
In the field:
2. Highroller
5. Cantripmancer
7. LnGrrrR
8. Vaimes
12. Ecophagy
Behaviorally, I think Eco's been townier and LnG has felt craftier. Setupwise, I think Eco's role makes more sense to be scum. I'm pretty sure if we lynch one then the other, we win, but we should definitely talk everything out. The one wrench here is if there is a godfather, so we need to keep that in mind. I think it's less likely that a godfather exists, both because I'm not sure how it would work with a VT Cop and also because I think MTGS has been veering away from godfathers in general, but that doesn't mean we should just discount it.
I feel like we need confirmation that Eco actually targeted someone. I was not told that I got anything from him (although I think I got a message from Vaimes). I unfortunately did not send a message to anyone. Sorry, I was afk for pretty much the whole Night.
I gave LnGrrrR something last Night after randoming between him and Vaimes. I'm going to suggest he doesn't claim what it was so the scum doesn't know how to play around it.
The HR clear certainly makes sense, and GJ makes more sense over Vaimes (but neither of them make a lot of sense on N2). Cantrip would your role really show up as a VT? These multiple Rich claims look like they'd exist partially to act as false positives and if they don't then that would make Tom an alignment Cop with only me and Riku as misleading results, which I struggle to believe.
The HR clear certainly makes sense, and GJ makes more sense over Vaimes (but neither of them make a lot of sense on N2). Cantrip would your role really show up as a VT? These multiple Rich claims look like they'd exist partially to act as false positives and if they don't then that would make Tom an alignment Cop with only me and Riku as misleading results, which I struggle to believe.
I can confirm that I received an item last Night from Eco.
@Eco, do you know what you gave me, or is the random gift blind to you also?
With Tom and HR off the list, going to be rereading the game focusing on Vaimes, Cantrip, and Eco (probably in that order). Right now, I think it would be poor play to lynch Eco toDay, because he can hand out another device toMorrow.
Forgot to add: I still think the rich vanilla town folks would show up as "vanilla town", because that's our role name. It's "rich vanilla town". If that wasn't the case, then Tom's ability would be near useless (as HR is the only true vanilla town) and Tom would likely have not gotten results.
By everyone's silence, I am assuming no one here can launder money?
@Rhand, Germany is beautiful. Though after 2 years, I am all castled-out.
For funsies, who here thinks they have the most complex role?
I would advise that this shut down. I don't believe this game has as much power as you think it does.
johnny scum or VT for this post
And hes not VT so
Hammer when ready
He specifies that GJ is either VT or scum. That sounds like a veiled VT check to me.
Doublechecking Cantrip's work, I think Cantrip's right when he says Tom checked him N3. Cantrip goes from middle of the list, then throws out that he is specifically VT and goes right to the top with HR. Wanted to look for myself, but it makes sense and Cantrip has felt relatively towny all game.
Good catch on the GJ check, LnG. Not sure why I didn't see that obvious drop. I legit thought Tom was just saying that GJ doesn't say that the game doesn't have lots of power if GJ was a 1-coin bulletproof (which is pretty powerful). Still feels like he felt strongly that Vaimes was town, but obviously not from the check.
I got confirmation from Grape: if Tom checked me, he would have gotten a result of Vanilla Town.
Yep, time to do some sifting through posts. No need to rush. I'd rather get it right than have it come down to a final three.
D2 is odd though. I could see tom thinking GJ was Not VT just because of that post he made, rather than checking him. Because he does put me on the same tier as Highroller on the next page. But I think he either checked me or was so confident that he didn't feel the need to, because:
Tom scum for "continuing to tunnel" by lynching 2 scum and locking in enough townreads to have auto
highroller/cantrip
Vaimes
Lngrr/eco
Rhand
Anyway, I'm concerned because from my POV, either Eco is the last scum, or he gave an item to the last scum, which bites.
Shadow (7): Eco, Cantrip, ruma, vez, highroller, vaimes, tom
Highroller (4): Shadow, rhand, cheese, lngrr
Vez (1): GJ
Man, I really think both LnGR and Eco have been super towny. Eco's power use is questionable, and LnGR kinda sorta softclaimed D1 and I still can't see him rolefishing so out of nowhere as scum and wait, I'm dumb. He claimed Rich VT, which altogether make Eco scum. I still don't believe that the scumteam is Coin PR/Useless Coin/Useless Coin.
Yeah, I really wish Tom had telegraphed his N2 choice better. Confirming he investigated GJ N2 would have shut down that ambiguity. As for why he didn't check Rhand... *shrug* I mean, N3 I suppose maybe he decided I was more dangerous if I were scum so checked me/felt it more likely that Rhand would be the D4 lynch than anyone else, so we could just sort him that way? No idea on his N2 choice, but I trust him as a player enough that I'm sure he had his reasons.
VCA certainly makes me think it's you or Eco. I need to look at your vote on Shadow (looked, choice of him over HR felt ok, but competing town wagons lol). Setup and GJ's rant make me think it's more likely Eco (but both of those are laced with wifom, so....) Your bloodthirstiness D3 felt odd to me. Why were you screaming for death D2 (GJ lynch)?
Actually, stumbled across 1186, which is a good look for you, imo, Vaimes.
Your bloodthirstiness D3 felt odd to me. Why were you screaming for death D2 (GJ lynch)?
Because he was obvious scum? I don't think tom needed to drop a check for that, if he did target GJ N2, except for maybe consistency's sake.
It was already weird enough that scum would target GJ for a kill, but to hear that all he needs to be a permanent bulletproof is to vote the main wagon every Day, but he didn't even try to do it Day 1? When he mentions every single game that he usually dies Night 1 as town for no reason? No chance.
Well coming in to toDay I thought it was you because of PoE because I've been town reading HR/LnG/Vaimes for basically the whole game. But the Tom flip has rather changed that - with Grape's answer about VTs, I am comfortable with you being clear given Tom's total switch on you from likely scum to clear (and the reason he gave was "spew", and I can't actually see any spew). Same applies for Highroller. So that means it's either LnG or Vaimes, which makes my choice last Night look a bit silly.
It's also worth noting that I think a godfather is very unlikely - not only would the wording have to be strange to get around Tom's VT cop, there is exactly zero chance Vezok would have claimed what he claimed if the scum had an obvious implication that the town has a Cop.
@Cantrip, I don't think you are thinking this through. One, people could tell me they wanted the coin publicly. Two, if the person wanted to spend a coin, they could. It isn't like I could only have that one coin, after all. I could earn more and continue to give those if that was possible. Three, I was hinting at a PR (having money, hence my Moneypenny line) in hopes I might draw a NK. Fourth, I figured there would be more than burner phones to the coins, and as I mentioned, me sending messages in the Night seemed like a pretty crap use. FWIW, sent my first message last night to Tom, so I still have... two coins I think. I asked Grape if I could send to two people at once, but no dice.
Nope, I saved my first Night in case anyone messaged me. Then second night I asked Grape if we could send multiple messages and recieved a no answer. I sent one to tom n3. I didn't send one last night. Was thinking of what I would want to say, then real life came up. (I thought toDay wasn't starting until around this time rather than a few hours ago.)
@Eco, you mentioned earlier about not claiming my gift. I think I will stick to that. I don't think claiming it gets us anywhere, especially since if I get lynched, the item will show up anyways. Is there something I am missing?
Everyone is dancing around the fact that we shouldn't lynch Eco because he can give another item, and we shouldn't lynch LnGR because then he can't use the item.
But I'm not getting lynched, and that puts us at an impasse. So we should know what the item is and adjust our options accordingly.
I don't really like Vaimes' presumption, but ultimately if we mislynch it's either lynch LnG and we lose the item or we Vaimes and the last scum is LnG who has the item, so I don't think it matters. With the two cop-clears there's no longer any space for the scum to play around mystery items in.
LnG got a 1-shot private Day message. It's like a burner phone but better! He should use it to confirm it works.
I also asked Grapefruit if scum can use an ability and NK at the same time because that would mechcanically clear me, but he wouldn't answer (as expected).
Anyway, this game is over, at least for me. Lynch LnGR and Eco, win.
Call it smug, call it lazy, but I don't expect to have to fight that much to not be lynched, given I rolled scum against tom not too long ago offsite and he lynched me pretty much instantly.
I think Eco is the last mafia for balance reasons (a scumteam with two PRs makes more sense than one with two rich Goons), and because LnGR's behavior has been townier.
I find if difficult to believe that Vaimes is discounting the idea that the last scum might be lying about their role. Or that he's not actually explain how my role would be of any actual use to the scum team.
I find if difficult to believe that Vaimes is discounting the idea that the last scum might be lying about their role. Or that he's not actually explain how my role would be of any actual use to the scum team.
Lolirony at Eco casting shade on Vaimes for not considering that the last scum might be lying, then appearing to not realize how the rest of us have to consider that he (Eco) might be lying about how his own role works...
Lolirony at Eco casting shade on Vaimes for not considering that the last scum might be lying, then appearing to not realize how the rest of us have to consider that he (Eco) might be lying about how his own role works...
I mean, I have two items handed out in proof which is a more substantial body of work than anyone still living.
That you have an ability isn't in question. But there's a big difference between handing out random items (almost certainly town) and having a list of items that can be handed out (quite possibly scum). So if you're lying about how items go out, your chances of being scum go up significantly, imo. So yeah, it's funny that you you're attacking Vaimes for having a mindset that doesn't consider that a player could be lying about their role but simultaneously suggesting that he's shady for still suspecting you despite the possibility that you could be lying.
I find if difficult to believe that Vaimes is discounting the idea that the last scum might be lying about their role. Or that he's not actually explain how my role would be of any actual use to the scum team.
Scum Inventors usually aren't. Their purpose is to look town, whether their items work or not.
The last scum could be lying, sure, but LnGR's crumb on Day 1 makes sense specifically as a Rich Vanilla, rather than an actual secret scum PR.
(I guess if you wanted to get creative, you could argue that LnGR is an unclaimed scum PR but softclaimed as a Rich Vanilla because they knew Rich Vanillas existed in the setup. But softclaiming at all on Day 1 and fishing for other roles as a scum PR is less likely, to say the least.)
The last scum could be lying, sure, but LnGR's crumb on Day 1 makes sense specifically as a Rich Vanilla, rather than an actual secret scum PR.
I don't think the scum team is Vez+2x Rich Goons, but if it were, do you think it more likely that scum!LnG could have recognized that Rich VT was likely a role, as well, and crumbed accordingly? After all, GJ made that "not as much power in this game as you might think" comment, and that was pretty early on, so I could actually see that pointing to him/scum team thinking that the setup was low power?
Yeah, I really wish Tom had telegraphed his N2 choice better.
I really wish he'd just come out and told us exactly what he knew instead of keeping it a secret.
I'll have to reread tom's posts. I'm very hesitant to buy into cantripmancer's read, but if we could isolate it down to a binary choice between Ecophagy and LnGrrrR, then fantastic.
From my viewpoint, it's Vaimes and Eco. I think at the least, everyone that isn't one of the three of us should review myself, Vaimes and Eco. My biggest fear is that we lynch town!Eco toMorrow, and scum!Vaimes mislynches me for the win tomorrow. (It's probably paranoia, but this is a game of mafia after all.)
@Hr, Tom pretty explicitly listed you and Cantrip as VT, not just town. And you saw the post about GJ where he said Johnny is either VT or scum. I think Tom did an awesome job of crumbing his picks.
I agree that LnG should use the Eco-gifted day phone, targeting either HR or myself, to verify that that gift, at least, works. Does anyone have a reason for LnG to wait to do so?
I wouldn’t say confscum. Just most likely to flip scum.
Enjoy this evidence of how much trailers have changed in ~15 years.
Rhand (4): tomsloger, Ecophagy, Cantripmancer, Vaimes
Ecophagy (1): Rhand
Not voting(2): Highroller, LnGrrrR
Rhand has been lynched. He was Yuri Takahata Rich Vanilla Town
This name was an unfortunate case of convergent evolution. Please don't google it at work or in front of children.
China always made you just a bit jealous. Sure their citizens had next to no privacy the government watched their every move. But that's the case everywhere. And having that sort of industrial complex in place makes it a lot easier to track terrorist activity rather than having to wait for watch lists to give you names and doing the surveillance manually.
Action deadline is in 24 hours roughly 7 pm EST on the 17th of Feb.
It is now N4 please do not post.
Mohamed's breathing was ragged. The hot, dry weather was oppressive and his joints weren't a young mans anymore. But at least it had been a successful day, this cousin's cousin believed he wanted to serve the caliphate. Now the hard work began but at least this young man was a reliable (if misguided) source. As he trudged back to his place the mission started to fade and it came back to his mind.
Who was killing agents?
And was he a target?
He'd never had a problem with the CIA or any of their people. Or MI6. As he walked up to his 2nd floor flat he couldn't stop thinking about the why. Rogue agents don't want to draw that sort of heat. Extortioners ask for money. Terrorists don't keep things this quiet. This looked like a vendetta but the targets seemed to have so little in common other than being spies.
The explosion was instantaneous. There was no time for fear, pain, or dread. Just a sudden overwhelming rush of heat, power, and rubble and then it was all over. Which was a small mercy.
Tomsloger has been killed. He was Mohamed El-Khoury town researcher
You've worked in some of the most dangerous places on earth and you've learned you really have to know someone before you can trust them. So you've made that your life's business. Making sure you know people before you let them work with you.
It is now Day 5. Deadline is in 14 days on Sunday the 3rd at 7pm EST. With 5 alive, majority is 3. You may post.
I don’t immediately understand how his results/info are supposed to be apparent upon his death.
I want to assume someone has a message from tom.
It was flippin' apparent to me a loooooooooooong time ago that Tom had to be a vanilla cop of some sort. Here's an idea: Let's review Tom's posts. Specifically the ones right before a Night and right after. Here's his read list in the twilight of Shadow's lynch:
Ok, so obviously he was trying to get people to pay attention to Vezok without making it seem like he was paying attention to Vezok. He knew at this point that Vezok had claimed cop, also knew that if he (Tom) were Vanilla Town Cop, Vezok was almost certainly lying, and thus Vezok was scum. But he wanted to get Vezok to spew a bit D2, so he gamboled that he wouldn't be the N1 NK. Who else is near the bottom of his list? Rhand, then Ruma and Highroller. Ok, so he's got some suspects. Let's jump to the first post of D2:
Hmmm, now...how would a cop who didn't want to communicate that he was a cop still communicate who he found VT (or not)? Maybe if he took one of his suspects and did a 180 while proclaiming him VT?
So yay, HR is confirmed VT.
Ok, so let's look at D2, which, unfortunately, isn't as clear to me. All through the Day, Tom is vacillating between me and Rhand, saying that one of us is likely Vez's scumbuddy. He puts Rhand at the bottom with Vez in 1014. Makes a scum list of Vez, Rhand, me, and GJ in 1018. D3 dawns, Ruma says he roleblocked GJ, and Tom just votes GJ (1166). In 1202, he posts another list, and his placement of Vaimes at the top with HR makes me think that he investigated Vaimes and found another VT. But Vaimes wasn't on his suspect list, so I'm not sure why he would have. I almost feel like he investigated GJ and found "not VT", but then why would he put Vaimes on the same level as HR? So let's hold on to that for now; we'll come back to it later. But the low end of the list in 1202? Rhand, Eco, and me.
So now D4 starts. Tom's first post is:
There's another suspect he just called VT! So he investigated me N3. Vaimes is no longer on the same tier as HR. Part of me thinks that means Tom didn't actually investigate Vaimes N2 (and just Towned Vaimes on gut), part of me thinks that he was trying to make it less certain to increase his chances of staying alive.
So I feel like it's mostly cut and dry. Tom's actions are:
N1: Investigated HR, found VT.
N2: Investigated Vaimes and found VT or investigated GJ and found not VT, but if he hadn't investigated Vaimes he probably wouldn't have been treating Vaimes as town the rest of the game? So Vaimes is actually VT. (This is why I tried to get Tom to pin down whether or not he targeted GJ D2 because if he did, Vaimes is still up in the air. Sorta miffed that Tom ignored that question.)
N3: Investigated me and found VT.
Where does that leave us?
In the field:
2. Highroller
5. Cantripmancer
7. LnGrrrR
8. Vaimes
12. Ecophagy
Behaviorally, I think Eco's been townier and LnG has felt craftier. Setupwise, I think Eco's role makes more sense to be scum. I'm pretty sure if we lynch one then the other, we win, but we should definitely talk everything out. The one wrench here is if there is a godfather, so we need to keep that in mind. I think it's less likely that a godfather exists, both because I'm not sure how it would work with a VT Cop and also because I think MTGS has been veering away from godfathers in general, but that doesn't mean we should just discount it.
I feel like we need confirmation that Eco actually targeted someone. I was not told that I got anything from him (although I think I got a message from Vaimes). I unfortunately did not send a message to anyone. Sorry, I was afk for pretty much the whole Night.
I didn’t get anything from anyone.
The HR clear certainly makes sense, and GJ makes more sense over Vaimes (but neither of them make a lot of sense on N2). Cantrip would your role really show up as a VT? These multiple Rich claims look like they'd exist partially to act as false positives and if they don't then that would make Tom an alignment Cop with only me and Riku as misleading results, which I struggle to believe.
Who's scum, Eco?
@Eco, do you know what you gave me, or is the random gift blind to you also?
With Tom and HR off the list, going to be rereading the game focusing on Vaimes, Cantrip, and Eco (probably in that order). Right now, I think it would be poor play to lynch Eco toDay, because he can hand out another device toMorrow.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I'm 99% sure he checked GJ due to this quote:
He specifies that GJ is either VT or scum. That sounds like a veiled VT check to me.
Doublechecking Cantrip's work, I think Cantrip's right when he says Tom checked him N3. Cantrip goes from middle of the list, then throws out that he is specifically VT and goes right to the top with HR. Wanted to look for myself, but it makes sense and Cantrip has felt relatively towny all game.
That means it is either Eco or Vaimes.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I got confirmation from Grape: if Tom checked me, he would have gotten a result of Vanilla Town.
Yep, time to do some sifting through posts. No need to rush. I'd rather get it right than have it come down to a final three.
Eco, why LnGR over Cantrip?
Shadow (7): Eco, Cantrip, ruma, vez, highroller, vaimes, tom
Highroller (4): Shadow, rhand, cheese, lngrr
Vez (1): GJ
Man, I really think both LnGR and Eco have been super towny. Eco's power use is questionable, and LnGR kinda sorta softclaimed D1 and I still can't see him rolefishing so out of nowhere as scum and wait, I'm dumb. He claimed Rich VT, which altogether make Eco scum. I still don't believe that the scumteam is Coin PR/Useless Coin/Useless Coin.
VCA certainly makes me think it's you or Eco. I need to look at your vote on Shadow (looked, choice of him over HR felt ok, but competing town wagons lol). Setup and GJ's rant make me think it's more likely Eco (but both of those are laced with wifom, so....) Your bloodthirstiness D3 felt odd to me. Why were you screaming for death D2 (GJ lynch)?
Actually, stumbled across 1186, which is a good look for you, imo, Vaimes.
Yeah, I really need to do a comprehensive dive.
It was already weird enough that scum would target GJ for a kill, but to hear that all he needs to be a permanent bulletproof is to vote the main wagon every Day, but he didn't even try to do it Day 1? When he mentions every single game that he usually dies Night 1 as town for no reason? No chance.
Might have been laced with impatience because lolMTGSphases, but it's otherwise a me thing and not an alignment thing.
Well coming in to toDay I thought it was you because of PoE because I've been town reading HR/LnG/Vaimes for basically the whole game. But the Tom flip has rather changed that - with Grape's answer about VTs, I am comfortable with you being clear given Tom's total switch on you from likely scum to clear (and the reason he gave was "spew", and I can't actually see any spew). Same applies for Highroller. So that means it's either LnG or Vaimes, which makes my choice last Night look a bit silly.
It's also worth noting that I think a godfather is very unlikely - not only would the wording have to be strange to get around Tom's VT cop, there is exactly zero chance Vezok would have claimed what he claimed if the scum had an obvious implication that the town has a Cop.
I know what it is. But since you're now in a very small PoE, I think you probably ought to use it to prove it works.
Like I said, Cantrip was in my PoE and LnG was not.
I agree that's definitely not the team, but has LnG actually sent a message he couldn't have and proved that he started with a coin?
He has not
@Eco, you mentioned earlier about not claiming my gift. I think I will stick to that. I don't think claiming it gets us anywhere, especially since if I get lynched, the item will show up anyways. Is there something I am missing?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
But I'm not getting lynched, and that puts us at an impasse. So we should know what the item is and adjust our options accordingly.
D1 Final Vote Count:
Shadow (7): Eco, Cantrip, ruma, vez, highroller, vaimes, tom
Highroller (4): Shadow, rhand, cheese, lngrr
Vez (1): GJ
D2 Final Vote Count:
Highroller(1): Cantripmancer
LnGrrrR(1): Highroller
Cantrip(1): Rhand
Vezokpriaka(6): Tom, LnGrrrR, Rumanshi, Vaimes, GentlemanJohnny, Vezokpriaka
Not voting (1): Ecophagy
D3 Final Vote Count:
GentlemanJohnny (5): Rumanishi, Highroller, Tomsloger, Vaimes, LnGrrrR
Not voting (4): Cantripmancer, Rhand, GentlemanJohnny, Ecophagy
D4 Final Vote Count:
Rhand (4): tomsloger, Ecophagy, Cantripmancer, Vaimes
Ecophagy (1): Rhand
Not voting(2): Highroller, LnGrrrR
I'll do another one of these with my own coloration/thoughts.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
LnG got a 1-shot private Day message. It's like a burner phone but better! He should use it to confirm it works.
I also asked Grapefruit if scum can use an ability and NK at the same time because that would mechcanically clear me, but he wouldn't answer (as expected).
Call it smug, call it lazy, but I don't expect to have to fight that much to not be lynched, given I rolled scum against tom not too long ago offsite and he lynched me pretty much instantly.
I think Eco is the last mafia for balance reasons (a scumteam with two PRs makes more sense than one with two rich Goons), and because LnGR's behavior has been townier.
Vote Eco
Except when it isn't and you win the game
I mean, I have two items handed out in proof which is a more substantial body of work than anyone still living.
The last scum could be lying, sure, but LnGR's crumb on Day 1 makes sense specifically as a Rich Vanilla, rather than an actual secret scum PR.
I don't know why both Goons would crumb that they're both rich, though. And then GJ had to change his story later on.
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Don't make me reread more things.
I really wish he'd just come out and told us exactly what he knew instead of keeping it a secret.
I'll have to reread tom's posts. I'm very hesitant to buy into cantripmancer's read, but if we could isolate it down to a binary choice between Ecophagy and LnGrrrR, then fantastic.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
@HR: Pretty sure we're solidly at one of Vaimes/LnG/Eco, unfortunately, but Tom got us at least that far.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Ecophagy (1): Vaimes
Not voting (4): Highroller, LnGrrrR, Cantrip, Eco