@Tom, look back over the Vezok/Rhand interactions. It doesn't look wolf/wolf to me. For instance, when Vezok voted Rhand near end of D1, do you think it was legit or distancing knowing that Rhand wouldnt be the vote that Day?
By everyone's silence, I am assuming no one here can launder money?
@Rhand, Germany is beautiful. Though after 2 years, I am all castled-out.
For funsies, who here thinks they have the most complex role?
I would advise that this shut down. I don't believe this game has as much power as you think it does.
johnny scum or VT for this post
And hes not VT so
Hammer when ready
That’s amazing. You thought the exact same thing as me (although I had the same here as with Shadow about scum crumbing vanilla this early and towncleared GJ), and still think I’m scum?
I'm very sceptical. I could maybe buy that GJ is bulletproof and that the kill got stopped by a Doc or something, but I have a very hard time believing that the scum shot GJ over any of the claimed power roles. And GJ not voting despite straight up calling Riku a wolf does not compute. I don't even know how this situation would make Riku a wolf to GJ.
I didn't mean for that to sound so rhetorical. I meant, is there a specific reason, or are you just waiting for others to chime in, or some other reason?
I'm very sceptical. I could maybe buy that GJ is bulletproof and that the kill got stopped by a Doc or something, but I have a very hard time believing that the scum shot GJ over any of the claimed power roles. And GJ not voting despite straight up calling Riku a wolf does not compute. I don't even know how this situation would make Riku a wolf to GJ.
You believe that a town Bulletproof and a town Doc would exist in a mini?
I could believe that the town has some protection beyond GJ being bulletproof sure. It might not be a full Doc but a limited shot or 2-coin cost or whatever. But unless someone steps forward then yes, the roleblock is overhelmingly likely to have stopped the kill.
While we are waiting for Cantrip to show up, let's say GJ flips scum. Who do you think the last scum would be? Who ends up town?
If GJ is scum, it likely means HR (sadly) is town. GJ would've bussed the hell out of Vezok. He didn't interact with Eco a ton, so that's a good possibility for last scum.
Also, GJ, if you are scum, you are really good at it. Rereading with a slight assumption towards scum behavior and I can't even make a strong case. I could see why you would be mad if you think Riku "lucked out" by targeting you.
I could believe that the town has some protection beyond GJ being bulletproof sure. It might not be a full Doc but a limited shot or 2-coin cost or whatever. But unless someone steps forward then yes, the roleblock is overhelmingly likely to have stopped the kill.
eco scum for even considering wanting a potential doc to claim
Like, by itself, the whole “GJ was blocked + GJ claimed BP” situation is bad for him.
Combine it with the posts he made in reaction, and I really don’t believe he’s town here. And this is coming from someone who had GJ as a least-likely-to-be-scum-weak-townread.
(Because if he were town, he’d 1) be way more vocal about how dumb we all are for lynching an un-CC’d protective role, and 2) at the very least ask for time to make a final reread.)
• Tom is town. CC'd scum and at a time that would make absolutely no sense for a scumbuddy (neither the actual CC nor all the earlier breadcrumbs).
• HR is pretty strongly town. Pretty sure Vez wanted to perform a strong white knight on a townie he thought likely to flip so that he could come out smelling sweet.
• LnG is town. Among other things, Vez went after him multiple times, early.
• If GJ flips scum, Riku is town; if he flips town, Riku is still up in the air.
• Eco is still probably town, although he still feels pretty reserved in opinions.
• Vaimes is still a lean town, although his eagerness to end the Day feels bloodthirsty.
• I still haven't seen any reevaluation from Rhand, and his entrance toDay feels very "wow, THAT GUY is scum? I had no idea!"
• I think Tom's observation of GJ is spot-on. Best way to play 1-coin-bulletproof, imo, is to start off the game declaring intent to be on every wagon and ensure it happens, both garnering coins and drawing NK possibilities. GJ wasn't playing to be the NK target; he was keeping a low profile.
I won't vote because others can use the coins more than I can, but count me as on record for the GJ lynch.
@Cantrip, do you think Vezok vs Rhand at the end of d1 is scum theater? Sorry for impatience
By "Vezok vs Rhand at the end of d1", are you talking about 841 where Vez voted Rhand and Rhand never responded or even really commented on Vez at all? Like...eh...I don't even know what you're talking about?
(Because if he were town, he’d 1) be way more vocal about how dumb we all are for lynching an un-CC’d protective role, and 2) at the very least ask for time to make a final reread.)
A roleblocker/tracker, a likely protective role, and apparently a ******* inventor who gives track shots against two goons with a singleton roleblocker, plus whatever tom is claiming to be. Our only ******* power role, who proceeded to do **** all until vezok came, and then just drew a bunch of suspicion). Oh, and he can't even muster the emotion to rage like he does every game EVEN when he had a legit excuse to chew tom out because of WHAT ******* HAPPENED TO HIM THE LAST TIME HE WAS PUSHED AS AN INVESTIGATIVE CLAIM. IT WOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN THAT HARD TO FAKE. I just had to hint it 5000 times because in addition to having ***** for power, WE DONT EVEN HAVE DAY CHAT. What a bunch of *****.
I have never seen such a blatantly unbalanced game in my life, since that one ******* mini that was secretly multiball with one of the wolf teams having a double voter and that's just from the roles I know are out there. Probably at least one more role or two out there because what the **** is the point of giving coins on lynch with a competitive nature of who gets what coins and who is a power role. Oh, and because Riku takes a 1-9 shot, I get ******* outed when I probably could have mustered a mislynch or 2 before getting caught (but whatever, because I probably don't live past day 3 anyway since every single game I have been town, I get shot night 1, even if my reads are completely ******* off).
W.e, sorry wolfbuddy. gl trying to wade through all this garbage.
Not voting (4): Cantripmancer, Rhand, GentlemanJohnny, Ecophagy
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Ruma/lngrr
Eco/cantrip
Rhand
Gj
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That’s amazing. You thought the exact same thing as me (although I had the same here as with Shadow about scum crumbing vanilla this early and towncleared GJ), and still think I’m scum?
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Did everyone talk? If there’s other protection that happened, we should know.
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While we are waiting for Cantrip to show up, let's say GJ flips scum. Who do you think the last scum would be? Who ends up town?
If GJ is scum, it likely means HR (sadly) is town. GJ would've bussed the hell out of Vezok. He didn't interact with Eco a ton, so that's a good possibility for last scum.
Also, GJ, if you are scum, you are really good at it. Rereading with a slight assumption towards scum behavior and I can't even make a strong case. I could see why you would be mad if you think Riku "lucked out" by targeting you.
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Smart play is to just vote GJ and if he flips town, look at Riku. (In which case, lully WIFOM scum plans this game).
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Plus GJ’s defense was vezok-levels of weak.
Combine it with the posts he made in reaction, and I really don’t believe he’s town here. And this is coming from someone who had GJ as a least-likely-to-be-scum-weak-townread.
His EoD1 vote doesn’t look like a villager trying to use their role.
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Vote GentlemanJohnny
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Eh, general thoughts:
• Tom is town. CC'd scum and at a time that would make absolutely no sense for a scumbuddy (neither the actual CC nor all the earlier breadcrumbs).
• HR is pretty strongly town. Pretty sure Vez wanted to perform a strong white knight on a townie he thought likely to flip so that he could come out smelling sweet.
• LnG is town. Among other things, Vez went after him multiple times, early.
• If GJ flips scum, Riku is town; if he flips town, Riku is still up in the air.
• Eco is still probably town, although he still feels pretty reserved in opinions.
• Vaimes is still a lean town, although his eagerness to end the Day feels bloodthirsty.
• I still haven't seen any reevaluation from Rhand, and his entrance toDay feels very "wow, THAT GUY is scum? I had no idea!"
• I think Tom's observation of GJ is spot-on. Best way to play 1-coin-bulletproof, imo, is to start off the game declaring intent to be on every wagon and ensure it happens, both garnering coins and drawing NK possibilities. GJ wasn't playing to be the NK target; he was keeping a low profile.
I won't vote because others can use the coins more than I can, but count me as on record for the GJ lynch.
I'll try to be more useful toNight.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I’m home again. I need rest but will read into interactions overNight.
If somehow GJ doesn't flip scum, then I will review Riku's opening D2, but... I am pretty sure I will have other stuff to read.
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If I've just horribad tunneled you all game, I'm sorry Rhand.
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Pretty much this.
Vote Gentleman Johnny
Pretty sure it's just Rhand.
Eh, Tom? I think you've got some smug on your mustache.
A roleblocker/tracker, a likely protective role, and apparently a ******* inventor who gives track shots against two goons with a singleton roleblocker, plus whatever tom is claiming to be. Our only ******* power role, who proceeded to do **** all until vezok came, and then just drew a bunch of suspicion). Oh, and he can't even muster the emotion to rage like he does every game EVEN when he had a legit excuse to chew tom out because of WHAT ******* HAPPENED TO HIM THE LAST TIME HE WAS PUSHED AS AN INVESTIGATIVE CLAIM. IT WOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN THAT HARD TO FAKE. I just had to hint it 5000 times because in addition to having ***** for power, WE DONT EVEN HAVE DAY CHAT. What a bunch of *****.
I have never seen such a blatantly unbalanced game in my life, since that one ******* mini that was secretly multiball with one of the wolf teams having a double voter and that's just from the roles I know are out there. Probably at least one more role or two out there because what the **** is the point of giving coins on lynch with a competitive nature of who gets what coins and who is a power role. Oh, and because Riku takes a 1-9 shot, I get ******* outed when I probably could have mustered a mislynch or 2 before getting caught (but whatever, because I probably don't live past day 3 anyway since every single game I have been town, I get shot night 1, even if my reads are completely ******* off).
W.e, sorry wolfbuddy. gl trying to wade through all this garbage.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
@Cantrip, I am saying that I don't think Vezok vs Rhand was "theater". Vezok was already bussing GJ.
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I lol'd.
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Flavor to be added.
Note to self pre write flips for each character in the future.
GentlemanJohnny (5): Rumanishi, Highroller, Tomsloger, Vaimes, LnGrrrR
Not voting (4): Cantripmancer, Rhand, GentlemanJohnny, Ecophagy
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You begin the game with 1 coin in your possession.
Everyone likes Aussies. It's a known fact. And for their relatively small population you see Aussies everywhere. They are prodigious travellers. Which is fortunate for you. Sure it's not an elegant life crashing at hostels all over the world but it gives you perfect cover.
It is now Night 3, please do not post.
This night will last only 48 hours. Please get your actions in before 3pm EST Wednesday.
German's aren't known for being the friendliest of people but Thomas was one of the nicest people you'd ever meet. Or at least he gave you that impression. If you needed a lift he was your man, if you needed advice he was your man, if you needed a shoulder to cry on he brought luxurious handkerchiefs. Being that well connected is helpful when you need to stroll into the local council building at 7pm without raising eyebrows, or join a table at the fanciest resturant in town on a friday night.
Unfortunately it makes you well known. And in the spy game that can be a liability. So when he heard the door open behind him in his favorite resturant in Hong Kong he turned drawing his gun. Unfortunately that wasn't quick enough.
Rumanshi has died. He was Thomas Schulz town networker.
Mugging (Roleblock): Once per game you may pay an unsavory associate of yours 2 coins to prevent a player of your choosing from taking any actions that night.
You know everyone. Well not everyone. But you have people in every city. If a certain man sneezes in Dubai, you know about it. If a certain man boards a plane heading to Singapore you'll know what color the walls of his room are before he checks in to his hotel.
Day 4 has now started you may begin posting. You have 2 weeks. Deadline is set for 4pm EST on the 27th.
With 7 alive 4 is majority.